McKinney Texas To Build $62.8 Million Dollar Stadium

[Hawgzinbowlz]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/texas-high-school-to-build-dollar628-million-football-stadium/ar-BBsPdR2?ocid=spartanntp

Our neighbors to the SW take their football serious.

Good that we are recruiting Texas hard.

" GO HOGS "

[DLUXHOG]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/texas-high-school-to-build-dollar628-million-football-stadium/ar-BBsPdR2?ocid=spartanntp

Our neighbors to the SW take their football serious.

Good that we are recruiting Texas hard.

" GO HOGS "

And what did Allen (their neighbor) spend on theirs a few years ago?   Something like $45MM?    Regardless, they're both in the DFW MSA, definitely a focus for the Hogs recruiting team.....

[Hawgzinbowlz]

And what did Allen (their neighbor) spend on theirs a few years ago?   Something like $45MM?    Regardless, they're both in the DFW MSA, definitely a focus for the Hogs recruiting team.....

Per link :

"High school football in Texas is no joke, as the city of Allen has a $60 million football stadium that holds 18,000 fans. Katy, Texas is finalizing its own $62.5 million stadium."

" GO HOGS "

[longpig]

Per link :

"High school football in Texas is no joke, as the city of Allen has a $60 million football stadium that holds 18,000 fans. Katy, Texas is finalizing its own $62.5 million stadium."

" GO HOGS "

Bauxite has a bigger stadium than most of the largest schools in Missouri.

[DLUXHOG]

Bauxite has a bigger stadium than most of the largest schools in Missouri.

I want some of that....  please pass the pipe....

[lahawg1]

I hope they don't use the same engineering firm as Allen Tx did.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/highschool/2014/06/09/allen-texas-eagle-high-school-football-stadium-cracks-closed/9903781/

[DLUXHOG]

I hope they don't use the same engineering firm as Allen Tx did.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/highschool/2014/06/09/allen-texas-eagle-high-school-football-stadium-cracks-closed/9903781/

It was minor and primarily cosmetic......   Regardless it's open now.....

[Redbug]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/texas-high-school-to-build-dollar628-million-football-stadium/ar-BBsPdR2?ocid=spartanntp

Our neighbors to the SW take their football serious.

Good that we are recruiting Texas hard.

" GO HOGS "

that's amazing considering McKinney was just a 15K+ town halfway between the metroplex and Sherman/Denison. My uncle had a small place on Lake Levon just outside of Princeton. McKinney's going the way of Plano, Allen, Frisco. Projected Population of over 160K it'll pass LR in less than 5-10 yrs...that's unreal....I can remember it being rolling hills pasture land for miles and miles.

[OGR69]

My son played against Allen this season.  I can tell you that stadium is incredible from top to bottom.

[ICEman]

Allen, Tx has a marching band in excess of 700 kiddos.  I am not quite sure how 700 people can find space to do much marching.

[longpig]

I want some of that....  please pass the pipe....

Bauxite's a big deal in southeast Saline county. 

[HogMantheIntruder]

This kind of thing just reminds me of how far behind Arkansas high school football is compared to our neighbors (Texas, of course, being the most extreme example). But I hate the fact that so much athletic talent, particularly in Central Arkansas, is never realized, because the money and interest just isn't there. I don't know how to fix it, but it would make a tremendous difference, not just for Razorback recruiting, but for the kids and the community as a whole.

[longpig]

This kind of thing just reminds me of how far behind Arkansas high school football is compared to our neighbors (Texas, of course, being the most extreme example). But I hate the fact that so much athletic talent, particularly in Central Arkansas, is never realized, because the money and interest just isn't there. I don't know how to fix it, but it would make a tremendous difference, not just for Razorback recruiting, but for the kids and the community as a whole.

What's bad for Little Rock public schools is good for private schools and real estate in the surrounding communities.

[bphi11ips]

Hmmmmm.

As college football evolves into a minor league, could high school football blow up as a spectator sport?

[Redbug]

This kind of thing just reminds me of how far behind Arkansas high school football is compared to our neighbors (Texas, of course, being the most extreme example). But I hate the fact that so much athletic talent, particularly in Central Arkansas, is never realized, because the money and interest just isn't there. I don't know how to fix it, but it would make a tremendous difference, not just for Razorback recruiting, but for the kids and the community as a whole.

The Federal Courts sticking their nose into Pulaski County ruined the public schools and sports. It helped lead eventually to the HBO "banging in the rock" crap and all that followed.

[BornaHog]

that's amazing considering McKinney was just a 15K+ town halfway between the metroplex and Sherman/Denison. My uncle had a small place on Lake Levon just outside of Princeton. McKinney's going the way of Plano, Allen, Frisco. Projected Population of over 160K it'll pass LR in less than 5-10 yrs...that's unreal....I can remember it being rolling hills pasture land for miles and miles.

I live in Denison, about 40 mi north of McKinney and the last time I went by their city limits sign, it said population was 155K.   WPS    :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:   GHG

[MinerMan24]

Bauxite has a bigger stadium than most of the largest schools in Missouri.

boy you got me rolling with that one.  I played at Bauxite... they call it the pit for a reason

[DLUXHOG]

that's amazing considering McKinney was just a 15K+ town halfway between the metroplex and Sherman/Denison. My uncle had a small place on Lake Levon just outside of Princeton. McKinney's going the way of Plano, Allen, Frisco. Projected Population of over 160K it'll pass LR in less than 5-10 yrs...that's unreal....I can remember it being rolling hills pasture land for miles and miles.

McKinney has been one of the fastest growing Dallas MSA cities for probably two decades...  as a matter of fact, it has been one of the fastest growing cities in the country........  I doubt that it's population can top 200K thought...............

[AUSTXHOG]

Is this stadium going to be used by several high schools as a "home" stadium?  Didn't see it in the article.  I know Round Rock built a stadium that is shared between several schools.  Vista Ridge, Cedar Park, and Round Rock.

[onebadrubi]

The Federal Courts sticking their nose into Pulaski County ruined the public schools and sports. It helped lead eventually to the HBO "banging in the rock" crap and all that followed.

I wouldn't mind hearing out the federal courts interfering with school districts caused banging in the rock

[mckinneyhog5]

I live about 2 miles from the proposed site for the stadium.  There are nice well established homes in this area and I hope this monstrosity doesn't screw it up.  My home value keeps going up 20,000 every year along with my personal property tax.  Wasn't that expensive to live here 6 years ago but now you better look out!

[Torqued pork]

Makes me wonder what a top-tier Texas high school pays its coaches compared to other states.

[PorcineSublime]

Wonder what Bentonville's stadium would cost in today's dollars? I know Siloam Springs recently built a new stadium and the original plans had to be cut way back to meet budget, and is just a basic setup, nothing like Har-Ber or Bentonville's. I would be willing to bet the Tiger stadium would be north of $20 million if built today. Having said all that, a $60 million stadium seems silly for HS. But if they fill it every Friday, they might be able to get at least a partial return on the investment.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Makes me wonder what a top-tier Texas high school pays its coaches compared to other states.

Last I heard it was more than in adjoining states and they don't "have" to teach a class. Don't know if that is still true or not.

[Inhogswetrust]

Hmmmmm.

As college football evolves into a minor league, could high school football blow up as a spectator sport?

since when has college football not been minor league for the pros for a small minority of college players......................................

[Inhogswetrust]

I live in Denison, about 40 mi north of McKinney and the last time I went by their city limits sign, it said population was 155K.   WPS    :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:   GHG

I remember when Frisco was not even a wide spot in the road..................................

[yraciv]

I'll be that guy and ask if anyone thinks this is too much? The article does state this is well over what they spend on actual school facilities. I've also been to a TX monstrosity stadium before on a Friday night and it was half full. Does Allen, McKinney or Katy routinely fill their current facilities to capacity? I know Katy and Allen are powerhouse programs, but McKinney and McKinney North not quite as much.

[Inhogswetrust]

Allen, Tx has a marching band in excess of 700 kiddos.  I am not quite sure how 700 people can find space to do much marching.

Having been a former bandie I would bet that is the total number of students in the whole band  "program" not in the high school marching band that marches at high school games. Heck Cabot, AR has 300 band students approximately I'm told but not that many that march for the high school. A family member is one of the Band Directors there. They have several directors also. I can't remember the exact number of Directors but I think it is seven. There is a small number of high schools that put emphasis on bands in Arkansas. Cabot is one of them.

[Inhogswetrust]

It was minor and primarily cosmetic......   Regardless it's open now.....

Didn't the arena in North Little Rock have some issues that had to be fixed?

[oldbear]

I wouldn't mind hearing out the federal courts interfering with school districts caused banging in the rock

I have absolutely no proof of what I am about to say but have wondered about it for a long time as I work with kids a lot. In many kids' minds with gang membership comes safety from outside dangers, a sense of belonging, something to identify with and a sense of being important. They make use of colors, signs, music, activities (mostly illegal) done together, and other things, many of which can be analogous to sporting teams and neighborhood schools. With sports we use colors, chants, music, and other things to get a sense of belonging and self. When you take away the sense of fraternity of neighborhood schools and move kids around I could see them gravitating to other, less healthy activities because they are going to seek an identity and sense of self worth and try to belong to something.

I am sure someone smarter than me has done more research on it and I know there had to be something done to bring about desegregation and attempt to stop the erosion of the inner city schools, but clearly all the busing and other steps taken didn't work well. Don't really mean to derail the thread but this isn't nearly as bad as accidentally comparing Bauxite to suburban Dallas.

[ImHogginIt]

Wonder what Bentonville's stadium would cost in today's dollars? I know Siloam Springs recently built a new stadium and the original plans had to be cut way back to meet budget, and is just a basic setup, nothing like Har-Ber or Bentonville's. I would be willing to bet the Tiger stadium would be north of $20 million if built today. Having said all that, a $60 million stadium seems silly for HS. But if they fill it every Friday, they might be able to get at least a partial return on the investment.

We built more than just a stadium here in Allen with that bond revenue. We built a lot of classrooms and a performance hall among other things but all folks want to focus on is the football stadium.

[ImHogginIt]

Having been a former bandie I would bet that is the total number of students in the whole band  "program" not in the high school marching band that marches at high school games. Heck Cabot, AR has 300 band students approximately I'm told but not that many that march for the high school. A family member is one of the Band Directors there. They have several directors also. I can't remember the exact number of Directors but I think it is seven. There is a small number of high schools that put emphasis on bands in Arkansas. Cabot is one of them.

You lose the bet. That is the number that perform on the field. As you can see they cover the whole field

[DeltaBoy]

Yes it is Serious down here in the Lone Star State.

[mizzouman]

All that money for high school sports is irresponsible. 

[DeltaBoy]

All that money for high school sports is irresponsible. 

Nope they got a nice tax base and most of their district is nicer than anywhere outside of NWA.
http://www.mckinneyisd.net/

[ImHogginIt]

All that money for high school sports is irresponsible.

Things cost money dude. Hell little Quitman Ar spent a little over $5 million for a basic gym this year that seats 1500.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/nov/01/open-house-nov-10-quitman-facility/?f=rivervalley

[bphi11ips]

since when has college football not been minor league for the pros for a small minority of college players......................................

Pardon me.  I thought you were older than 20.

[DeltaBoy]

Things cost money dude. Hell little Quitman Ar spent a little over $5 million for a basic gym this year that seats 1500.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/nov/01/open-house-nov-10-quitman-facility/?f=rivervalley

Commercial Construction Cost are way more than most folks realize.

[Hoot72]

I going from memory on an article that I read a few days ago.  The football stadium in McKinney will be used by 3 schools, and that price tag also includes a gymnasium and performing arts center (I think).  Still a lot of money, but more than just a football stadium for one school.

[DLUXHOG]

I remember when Frisco was not even a wide spot in the road…………………………….

indeed, as 25 years ago it was nothing but a post office and a feed mill, maybe a rural population of ~5,000, now its over 150,000 and still growing.........

[DLUXHOG]

Makes me wonder what a top-tier Texas high school pays its coaches compared to other states.

http://footballscoop.com/news/how-much-d...s-coaches/

1. Gary Joseph, Katy – $132,011 [Texas]
2. Donald Clayton, Katy Cinco Ranch – $127,011  [Texas]
3. Charles Meadows, Katy Morton Ranch – $121,011  [Texas]
4. Anthony Tademy, Katy Tompkins – $114,957  [Texas]
5. Lydell Wilson, Katy Seven Lakes – $113,602  [Texas]
6. Richard Carson, The Woodlands College Park – $111,418  [Texas]
7. Hiram Walker, Conroe – $111,418  [Texas]
8. Mark Schmid, The Woodlands – $110,317  [Texas]
9. Bill Barron, Alief Elsik – $110,212  [Texas]
10. James Rabe, Katy Mayde Creek – $107,850  [Texas]
11. Dereck Rush, Conroe Oak Ridge – $107,773  [Texas]
12. Steven Svendsen, Caney Creek – $105,400  [Texas]
13. Dennis Brantley, Fort Bend Elkins – $103,014  [Texas]
14. Daniel Schreiber, Fort Bend Austin – $101,922  [Texas]
15. Kerry Bamberg, Aldine Eisenhower – $99,651  [Texas]
16. Jeffery Ganske, Pasadena – $99,647  [Texas]
17. David Martel, Alief Hastings – $99,130  [Texas]
18. David Smith, Klein Oak – $98,974  [Texas]
19. J.D. Jordan, Alief Taylor – $98,634  [Texas]
20. James Showers, Aldine Davis – $98,2650  [Texas]

[DeltaBoy]

indeed, as 25 years ago it was nothing but a post office and a feed mill, maybe a rural population of ~5,000, now its over 150,000 and still growing.........

Yep my wife grew up in White Settlement which in on the West side of Fort Worth and she said going out to Carrolton back in the 1980's meant going out into the Country.  That it was a isolated small town but not anymore. The North side of Dallas has really filled in even since I moved down here in the early 1990's .

[DLUXHOG]

Yep my wife grew up in White Settlement which in on the West side of Fort Worth and she said going out to Carrolton back in the 1980's meant going out into the Country.  That it was a isolated small town but not anymore. The North side of Dallas has really filled in even since I moved down here in the early 1990's .

Yes, I've moved to Dallas back in 1981 when the DFW MSA was barely 1.5MM and have watched it grow to over 7.5MM (and its still growing/expanding) to the 4th largest MSA in the U.S. (right behind New York,Los Angeles, Chicago).    It will likely eclipse Chicago within the next 10 years and be in third place.    The top 3 cities have geographic issues (oceans, a great lake, mountains, etc.) which limit their growth, whereas DFW only has the state line of Oklahoma to impede its growth.   Oklahoma has literally become a parking lot for DFW......    Regardless, I can't wait to move back to NWA................

[hoggusamoungus]

Didn't the arena in North Little Rock have some issues that had to be fixed?

http://thecabin.net/stories/101399/spo_1013990028.html#.VzHpLdjVxFo

[Suidae Suis Scrofa]

http://footballscoop.com/news/how-much-d...s-coaches/

1. Gary Joseph, Katy – $132,011 [Texas]
2. Donald Clayton, Katy Cinco Ranch – $127,011  [Texas]
3. Charles Meadows, Katy Morton Ranch – $121,011  [Texas]
4. Anthony Tademy, Katy Tompkins – $114,957  [Texas]
5. Lydell Wilson, Katy Seven Lakes – $113,602  [Texas]
6. Richard Carson, The Woodlands College Park – $111,418  [Texas]
7. Hiram Walker, Conroe – $111,418  [Texas]
8. Mark Schmid, The Woodlands – $110,317  [Texas]
9. Bill Barron, Alief Elsik – $110,212  [Texas]
10. James Rabe, Katy Mayde Creek – $107,850  [Texas]
11. Dereck Rush, Conroe Oak Ridge – $107,773  [Texas]
12. Steven Svendsen, Caney Creek – $105,400  [Texas]
13. Dennis Brantley, Fort Bend Elkins – $103,014  [Texas]
14. Daniel Schreiber, Fort Bend Austin – $101,922  [Texas]
15. Kerry Bamberg, Aldine Eisenhower – $99,651  [Texas]
16. Jeffery Ganske, Pasadena – $99,647  [Texas]
17. David Martel, Alief Hastings – $99,130  [Texas]
18. David Smith, Klein Oak – $98,974  [Texas]
19. J.D. Jordan, Alief Taylor – $98,634  [Texas]
20. James Showers, Aldine Davis – $98,2650  [Texas]

Every one of those schools is in the Houston area.  My son's school is in the same district as all of the Katy schools.  As one of two private schools in UIL (the governing body for high school activities in Texas) you can imagine what it's like to compete against those sort of resources.  Football games aren't pretty for our school.  On the other hand, we can really clean up in baseball.

Katy High School was caught violating UIL rules twice this year - they played an illegible player in football playoffs, and two baseball players were getting paid to coach a youth league.  Football didn't even get a slap on the wrist but the baseball program had to forfeit all of their wins this season which dropped them out of the playoff race.

-phil

[Inhogswetrust]

You lose the bet. That is the number that perform on the field. As you can see they cover the whole field

Good post! I've never seen a high school marching band that big. Impressed. I looked it up and they include in that number the drill team, color guard and ALL four years 9th through 12th in it. Claim to be the largest high school marching band.

[Inhogswetrust]

Pardon me.  I thought you were older than 20.

WAY older. Tell me HOW it hasn't always been a minor-league for only the best college players which in numbers is a small minority. There are a LOT more colleges players that never play pro ball than does. You know that.

[Inhogswetrust]

All that money for high school sports is irresponsible. 

That would be correct only if the academic side of the school is not good. I'd bet it is good.

[Inhogswetrust]

http://thecabin.net/stories/101399/spo_1013990028.html#.VzHpLdjVxFo

Thanks! That was it! I also remember going to DKR Memorial stadium to watch the Hogs play the Horns years ago and there was a BIG metal plate on the side of the stadium where the upper deck was.

[Inhogswetrust]

Commercial Construction Cost are way more than most folks realize.

I remember when hotels were as cheap as $15,000 per room to build........now cheap ones can easily cost $100,000 per room and expensive ones can be a LOT more than that! In some places as much as $1,000,000 per room or more.