Board of Trustees to vote on final approval on expansion on Thursday

[ImHogginIt]

I've been surprised by it all.

I doubt that very many opponents fall into the "Oh, but what about the academics?" camp. If they do, there has been a paradigm shift in the thought process of Razorback football fans.

I suspect the opposition is more lined up along the lines you suggest. "Rich sumbitches already got alcohol; what more do they want?"

Maybe this is the "51-7" moment for garden variety fans, from a facilities standpoint.

I suspect the dissent is fueled by some LR bond daddy's and some instate construction contractors that won'r be used this time

[ImHogginIt]

I was listening to Bill Vicory Sunday - he's going to try to get Pryor on next week to explain his positions.

Vicory did mention that he noticed some feelings changed when the contractor for this project was changed.
Some folks who appeared to be for the expansion were suddenly against it.
(Wouldn't surprise me in the least, as they say "follow the money".)

I should have read all posts before I posted above. Great minds think alike  :razorback: 

[Justifiable Hogicide]

I suspect the dissent is fueled by some LR bond daddy's and some instate construction contractors that won'r be used this time

No doubt.

[gawntrail]

I believe in modesty...your posts don't reflect that IMO. I was helping park cars once when I was a kid and I personally witnessed Sam Walton roll in old late 70s simple looking 2wd ford truck. Left one hell of an impression on me to this day...that's the type of class I'm envious of. Not people trying to show off. I don't believe in class systems and other people being better than others based on business/career success. I'll judge people in ways other than that.

You shouldn't have to explain your monetary situation to anyone...especially on a message board. If I were to do that...it would be because I was trying to belittle people...no other reason. Talking to me on here nobody would ever know if I were a billionaire or working paycheck to paycheck trying to make rent. That's the way I would have it.

I've lived in south Arkansas, Little Rock, and NWA (most of my life). I can see how the southern Arkansas folks have this culture difference perception (I've seen it), and I do think it's unfortunate.

I respect your opinion.  I don't agree with your view, but, we are all entitled to our own. 

[hoglady]

I believe in modesty...your posts don't reflect that IMO. I was helping park cars once when I was a kid and I personally witnessed Sam Walton roll in old late 70s simple looking 2wd ford truck. Left one hell of an impression on me to this day...that's the type of class I'm envious of. Not people trying to show off. I don't believe in class systems and other people being better than others based on business/career success. I'll judge people in ways other than that.

You shouldn't have to explain your monetary situation to anyone...especially on a message board. If I were to do that...it would be because I was trying to belittle people...no other reason. Talking to me on here nobody would ever know if I were a billionaire or working paycheck to paycheck trying to make rent. That's the way I would have it.

I've lived in south Arkansas, Little Rock, and NWA (most of my life). I can see how the southern Arkansas folks have this culture difference perception (I've seen it), and I do think it's unfortunate.

I understand exactly what you're saying.
In today's world though we are separated by class (wealth) more than I've ever seen.
I grew up with very poor kids, very rich kids and everything in between. We all went to school together and we were all friends. We weren't judged by how much money our families had and that was certainly never a consideration in who our friends were.
The world has really changed in that regard.

[Inhogswetrust]

I have never seen so much peni$ envy over a stadium expansion in my life.

Maybe they should all get together in the Ladies room at Target to compare..................

[Inhogswetrust]

I've lived in south Arkansas, Little Rock, and NWA (most of my life). I can see how the southern Arkansas folks have this culture difference perception (I've seen it), and I do think it's unfortunate.

I've lived or worked in several states and all of them have "cultural" regional differences across their geography from border to border. Some are as pronounced as Arkansas's and maybe even moreso.

[WilsonHog]

I've lived or worked in several states and all of them have "cultural" regional differences across their geography from border to border. Some are as pronounced as Arkansas's and maybe even moreso.

Arkansas is at least three states, maybe four.

You know, I get the fact that at one point in time, maybe as late as the 1970s or 1980s, it was possible to look around WMS or Razorback Stadium and perceive that there were few differences between Razorback fans. Perhaps the disappearance of that illusion has rubbed some fans the wrong way.

That illusion was convenient in the pre-arms race days of the SEC. College football has become big business. A river of money runs through it.

Hell, I heard this weekend that Kentucky football - one of the two worst in the conference - has a personal chef for the players who lives on site. Guy probably makes $75,000 to $100,000 a year just to cook for the football team.

[FraggleHog]

Wally and the former board members are simply feigning concern over academics and students.  They're educated enough, or at least should be, to know the truth.  The money isn’t being stolen from our students.  As an alumnus I'm proud to say that our student's tuition provides zero funds to the athletic department.  The money for the expansion is non-existent without a stadium expansion. It will be paid off by Razorback athletics not student fees.  To say otherwise is a cheap emotional appeal to get a rise from the uneducated masses.

If they really were concerned about students then why aren't they going after the other in-state institutions that actually steal money from students via mandatory athletic fees?

In 2015 $4,567,829 of a-state's revenue was acquired via student fees.  Pretty embarrassing when you compare it to the paltry $1,313,939 made from ticket sales. 

UCA?  $4,893,041 in student fees vs. $425,919 from ticket sales.   

UALR? $3,655,736 student fees vs. $365,718 ticket sales.

What about THE University of Arkansas?  $0, nothing, nada, zilch from student fees vs. $37,622,177 in ticket sales!

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Why aren't those schools being raked over the coals?  Their students are funding the athletic department.  Couldn't those millions of stolen money better their campus or pay their professors or buy "new fangled sciency equipment her dur"?

The University of Arkansas should actually be applauded for the fact that we don't charge student fees.  In 2015, Auburn received $4.6 million in student fees.   

Just as a side note... aTm's Rev vs. Expenses ratio is absolutely insane!

http://www.12thman.com/news/2013/5/1/207507161.aspx

Just FYI - Here's how Aggie funded their Fun House... Hint - Student Fees are in there...

"Funding will come from donations and seat licenses through the 12th Man Foundation, student fees/ ticket revenue and a preferred facilities access agreement between the Bryan-College Station Convention and Visitors Bureau (BCSCVB) and Texas A&M. The agreement will utilize hotel tax revenue for the next 30 years with payments of $1 million from years 1 through 3, $1.2 million in years 4 through 6, and $1.225 million in years 7 through 30. In return, the BCSCVB will be able to use certain Texas A&M facilities at preferred rates for promoting tourism in Brazos County."

[Ex-Trumpet]

Arkansas is at least three states, maybe four.

You know, I get the fact that at one point in time, maybe as late as the 1970s or 1980s, it was possible to look around WMS or Razorback Stadium and perceive that there were few differences between Razorback fans. Perhaps the disappearance of that illusion has rubbed some fans the wrong way.

That illusion was convenient in the pre-arms race days of the SEC. College football has become big business. A river of money runs through it.

Hell, I heard this weekend that Kentucky football - one of the two worst in the conference - has a personal chef for the players who lives on site. Guy probably makes $75,000 to $100,000 a year just to cook for the football team.

If he's any good he probably makes a lot more than that!

[Cinco de Hogo]

If he's any good he probably makes a lot more than that!

I can run with that$$$

Did we just find Kentucky's bag man?

[hoglady]

I've lived or worked in several states and all of them have "cultural" regional differences across their geography from border to border. Some are as pronounced as Arkansas's and maybe even moreso.

Louisiana for sure.
I grew up in North and South Louisiana / believe me that's like 2 different countries.

[Inhogswetrust]

Louisiana for sure.
I grew up in North and South Louisiana / believe me that's like 2 different countries.

True. Some of the ones' I've worked/lived in were TN, FL, VA, NC, CA, NY

[GuvHog]

True. Some of the ones' I've worked/lived in were TN, FL, VA, NC, CA, NY

Try living in Michigan. We moved up there for a couple of years when I was a boy. I hated it. The day we moved back to Arkansas, Dad said we'd never move out of state again. He kept that promise.

[Inhogswetrust]

Try living in Michigan. We moved up there for a couple of years when I was a boy. I hated it. The day we moved back to Arkansas, Dad said we'd never move out of state again. He kept that promise.

I have worked in Michigan. The area in the southern part is much different than the upper Peninsula.

[GuvHog]

I have worked in Michigan. The area in the southern part is much different than the upper Peninsula.

True, very true.

[jacobp]

It's hard to beat the western coast along Lake Michigan, especially between May and October.

We are slowly but surely making orlurnway further up the coast since moving to South Bend.
Beautiful beaches, no sand, no sharks. I'm loving it

[Inhogswetrust]

It's hard to beat the western coast along Lake Michigan, especially between May and October.

We are slowly but surely making orlurnway further up the coast since moving to South Bend.
Beautiful beaches, no sand, no sharks. I'm loving it

It's nice until winter when you can make ice cubes out of the frozen water on the lake!

[jacobp]

I actually enjoyed the first winter here. Took some getting used to but I enjoy all the snow as well. They know how to take care of snow/roads round here.
Enjoying the area until we move back to NWA probably in a few years