Sec Standings - All seeds set

[AlmaHog2011]

Exactly

[Dr. Starcs]

Uga absolutely chokes against Aggies.

Standings are up to date at top of page 1.

I will work on scenarios for the tournament when I can.

[panhandlepig]

Uga absolutely chokes against Aggies.

Standings are up to date at top of page 1.

I will work on scenarios for the tournament when I can.

  Thank you.  Appreciate the information. Go Hogs.

[Dr. Starcs]

  Thank you.  Appreciate the information. Go Hogs.

I've enjoyed it. Now just gotta find some free time to get the scenarios out. Lol

[31to6]

Uga absolutely chokes against Aggies.

Standings are up to date at top of page 1.

I will work on scenarios for the tournament when I can.

The way I see it, if we win we will be the 4th seed. The 3rd place team will be the winner of the KY/FL and since we lost to both of them they will hold the tiebreaker for 3rd place.

If we lose, we will be 10-8 and in a 3 or 4-way tie with Mizzou, the loser of KY/FL and, if they win, MSU. So we would be in a 3-way tie for the 4-6 or a 4-way tie for the 4-7 seeds.

Scenarios:
1) KY, Mizzou, Ark
2) FL, Mizzou, Ark
3) KY, Mizzou, Ark, MSU
4) FL, Mizzou, Ark, MSU

The first tiebreaker in a 3+ team tie is the combined record of those teams against each other. The second tiebreaker is record vs the #1 seeded team. The third tiebreaker is a coin-toss/random draw.

Because of this it is important who the #1 see is. So if Auburn and TN both win or both lose, Auburn takes the #1 seed by virtue of the head-to-head record. If one wins and the other loses, the winner is obviously the #1 seed by virtue of overall conference record. If Auburn wins or if they both lose we have the tiebreaker over Mizzou because we were 1-1 and Mizzou lost their only matchup. If TN wins and Auburn loses, it will go to a coin toss because we both beat TN.

Scenario 1 (Kentucky loses, MSU loses):
4: KY (2-1)
5: Mizzou (2-2)
6: Ark (1-2)

Scenario 2 (FL loses, MSU loses):
4 FL (2-0)
5: AR (1-2) or Mizzou (1-2). Ark if Auburn Is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed.
6: AR or Mizzou

Scenario 3 (KY loses, MSU wins):
4: KY (3-1)
5: MSU (2-1)
6: Mizzou (2-3)
7: Ark (1-3)

Scenario 4 (FL loses, MSU wins):
4: FL (3-0)
5: MSU (2-1)
6: AR (1-3) or Mizzou (1-3) Ark if Auburn is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed..
7: AR or Mizzou

Moral of the story? Beat Mizzou.

I am pretty sure this is right. I double checked but I could have made a mistake if someone wants to check the records independently.

[AHiD]

The way I see it, if we win we will be the 4th seed. The 3rd place team will be the winner of the KY/FL and since we lost to both of them they will hold the tiebreaker for 3rd place.

If we lose, we will be 10-8 and in a 3 or 4-way tie with Mizzou, the loser of KY/FL and, if they win, MSU. So we would be in a 3-way tie for the 5-7 or a 4-way tie for the 5-8 seeds.

Scenarios:
1) KY, Mizzou, Ark
2) FL, Mizzou, Ark
3) KY, Mizzou, Ark, MSU
4) FL, Mizzou, Ark, MSU

The first tiebreaker in a 3+ team tie is the combined record of those teams against each other. The second tiebreaker is record vs the #1 seeded team. The third tiebreaker is a coin-toss/random draw.

Because of this it is important who the #1 see is. So if Auburn and TN both win or both lose, Auburn takes the #1 seed by virtue of the head-to-head record. If one wins and the other loses, the winner is obviously the #1 seed by virtue of overall conference record. Auburn winning is good for us because we have a 1-1 record vs them but an 0-1 record vs TN. War Eagle! (for a few days).

Scenario 1 (Kentucky loses, MSU loses):
5: KY (2-1)
6: Mizzou (2-2)
7: Ark (1-2)

Scenario 2 (FL loses, MSU loses):
5 FL (2-1)
6: AR (1-2) if Auburn wins, Mizzou (1-2) if TN wins.
7: AR or Mizzou

Scenario 3 (KY loses, MSU wins):
5: KY (3-1)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: Mizzou (2-3)
8: Ark (1-3)

Scenario 4 (FL loses, MSU wins):
5: FL (3-0)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: AR (1-3) if Auburn wins, Mizzou (1-3) if TN wins.
8: AR or Mizzou

Moral of the story? Beat Mizzou.

I am pretty sure this is right. I double checked but I could have made a mistake if someone wants to check the records independently.

We beat Tenner

[31to6]

We beat Tenner

So we did. Ashamed I forgot. That means that if TN wins, the tiebreaker between us and Mizzou would be a coin toss. I will edit my post.

thanks!

[gmarv54]

The way I see it, if we win we will be the 4th seed. The 3rd place team will be the winner of the KY/FL and since we lost to both of them they will hold the tiebreaker for 3rd place.

If we lose, we will be 10-8 and in a 3 or 4-way tie with Mizzou, the loser of KY/FL and, if they win, MSU. So we would be in a 3-way tie for the 5-7 or a 4-way tie for the 5-8 seeds.

Scenarios:
1) KY, Mizzou, Ark
2) FL, Mizzou, Ark
3) KY, Mizzou, Ark, MSU
4) FL, Mizzou, Ark, MSU

The first tiebreaker in a 3+ team tie is the combined record of those teams against each other. The second tiebreaker is record vs the #1 seeded team. The third tiebreaker is a coin-toss/random draw.

Because of this it is important who the #1 see is. So if Auburn and TN both win or both lose, Auburn takes the #1 seed by virtue of the head-to-head record. If one wins and the other loses, the winner is obviously the #1 seed by virtue of overall conference record. If Auburn wins or if they both lose we have the tiebreaker over Mizzou because we were 1-1 and Mizzou lost their only matchup. If TN wins and Auburn loses, it will go to a coin toss because we both beat TN.

Scenario 1 (Kentucky loses, MSU loses):
5: KY (2-1)
6: Mizzou (2-2)
7: Ark (1-2)

Scenario 2 (FL loses, MSU loses):
5 FL (2-0)
6: AR (1-2) or Mizzou (1-2). Ark if Auburn Is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed.
7: AR or Mizzou

Scenario 3 (KY loses, MSU wins):
5: KY (3-1)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: Mizzou (2-3)
8: Ark (1-3)

Scenario 4 (FL loses, MSU wins):
5: FL (3-0)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: AR (1-3) or Mizzou (1-3) Ark if Auburn is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed..
8: AR or Mizzou

Moral of the story? Beat Mizzou.

I am pretty sure this is right. I double checked but I could have made a mistake if someone wants to check the records independently.

That's some impressive work you did,and we definitely need to beat Mo. just for my sanity after looking at that list of scenarios.

[Dr. Starcs]

Thanks guys for picking up the slack.

Had a crazy couple of days.

[gchamblee]

@Bama and @Mizzou are about as guaranteed as you can get for a Loss. We absolutely will not win either of those games.

hmm

[TebowHater]

The way I see it, if we win we will be the 4th seed. The 3rd place team will be the winner of the KY/FL and since we lost to both of them they will hold the tiebreaker for 3rd place.

If we lose, we will be 10-8 and in a 3 or 4-way tie with Mizzou, the loser of KY/FL and, if they win, MSU. So we would be in a 3-way tie for the 5-7 or a 4-way tie for the 5-8 seeds.

Scenarios:
1) KY, Mizzou, Ark
2) FL, Mizzou, Ark
3) KY, Mizzou, Ark, MSU
4) FL, Mizzou, Ark, MSU

The first tiebreaker in a 3+ team tie is the combined record of those teams against each other. The second tiebreaker is record vs the #1 seeded team. The third tiebreaker is a coin-toss/random draw.

Because of this it is important who the #1 see is. So if Auburn and TN both win or both lose, Auburn takes the #1 seed by virtue of the head-to-head record. If one wins and the other loses, the winner is obviously the #1 seed by virtue of overall conference record. If Auburn wins or if they both lose we have the tiebreaker over Mizzou because we were 1-1 and Mizzou lost their only matchup. If TN wins and Auburn loses, it will go to a coin toss because we both beat TN.

Scenario 1 (Kentucky loses, MSU loses):
5: KY (2-1)
6: Mizzou (2-2)
7: Ark (1-2)

Scenario 2 (FL loses, MSU loses):
5 FL (2-0)
6: AR (1-2) or Mizzou (1-2). Ark if Auburn Is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed.
7: AR or Mizzou

Scenario 3 (KY loses, MSU wins):
5: KY (3-1)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: Mizzou (2-3)
8: Ark (1-3)

Scenario 4 (FL loses, MSU wins):
5: FL (3-0)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: AR (1-3) or Mizzou (1-3) Ark if Auburn is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed..
8: AR or Mizzou

Moral of the story? Beat Mizzou.

I am pretty sure this is right. I double checked but I could have made a mistake if someone wants to check the records independently.

Amazing work, thank you. So if we lose to Miz, the best seed we can get is...a 6 in one specific scenario and most likely a 7 or 8..wow. So tightly compacted right now

[Dr. Starcs]

The way I see it, if we win we will be the 4th seed. The 3rd place team will be the winner of the KY/FL and since we lost to both of them they will hold the tiebreaker for 3rd place.

If we lose, we will be 10-8 and in a 3 or 4-way tie with Mizzou, the loser of KY/FL and, if they win, MSU. So we would be in a 3-way tie for the 5-7 or a 4-way tie for the 5-8 seeds.

Scenarios:
1) KY, Mizzou, Ark
2) FL, Mizzou, Ark
3) KY, Mizzou, Ark, MSU
4) FL, Mizzou, Ark, MSU

The first tiebreaker in a 3+ team tie is the combined record of those teams against each other. The second tiebreaker is record vs the #1 seeded team. The third tiebreaker is a coin-toss/random draw.

Because of this it is important who the #1 see is. So if Auburn and TN both win or both lose, Auburn takes the #1 seed by virtue of the head-to-head record. If one wins and the other loses, the winner is obviously the #1 seed by virtue of overall conference record. If Auburn wins or if they both lose we have the tiebreaker over Mizzou because we were 1-1 and Mizzou lost their only matchup. If TN wins and Auburn loses, it will go to a coin toss because we both beat TN.

Scenario 1 (Kentucky loses, MSU loses):
5: KY (2-1)
6: Mizzou (2-2)
7: Ark (1-2)

Scenario 2 (FL loses, MSU loses):
5 FL (2-0)
6: AR (1-2) or Mizzou (1-2). Ark if Auburn Is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed.
7: AR or Mizzou

Scenario 3 (KY loses, MSU wins):
5: KY (3-1)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: Mizzou (2-3)
8: Ark (1-3)

Scenario 4 (FL loses, MSU wins):
5: FL (3-0)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: AR (1-3) or Mizzou (1-3) Ark if Auburn is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed..
8: AR or Mizzou

Moral of the story? Beat Mizzou.

I am pretty sure this is right. I double checked but I could have made a mistake if someone wants to check the records independently.

We can finish no worse than 7th

[311Hog]

can we just skip the SEC tourney and go straight to the big dance?

[RzRbAcK18]

Have to get that 4 seed! Let everyone beat up on each other and then cruise into the championship game.

[DeltaBoy]

Just keep winning Baby! AL DAVIS!

[hawg66]

The way I see it, if we win we will be the 4th seed. The 3rd place team will be the winner of the KY/FL and since we lost to both of them they will hold the tiebreaker for 3rd place.

If we lose, we will be 10-8 and in a 3 or 4-way tie with Mizzou, the loser of KY/FL and, if they win, MSU. So we would be in a 3-way tie for the 5-7 or a 4-way tie for the 5-8 seeds.

Scenarios:
1) KY, Mizzou, Ark
2) FL, Mizzou, Ark
3) KY, Mizzou, Ark, MSU
4) FL, Mizzou, Ark, MSU

The first tiebreaker in a 3+ team tie is the combined record of those teams against each other. The second tiebreaker is record vs the #1 seeded team. The third tiebreaker is a coin-toss/random draw.

Because of this it is important who the #1 see is. So if Auburn and TN both win or both lose, Auburn takes the #1 seed by virtue of the head-to-head record. If one wins and the other loses, the winner is obviously the #1 seed by virtue of overall conference record. If Auburn wins or if they both lose we have the tiebreaker over Mizzou because we were 1-1 and Mizzou lost their only matchup. If TN wins and Auburn loses, it will go to a coin toss because we both beat TN.

Scenario 1 (Kentucky loses, MSU loses):
5: KY (2-1)
6: Mizzou (2-2)
7: Ark (1-2)

Scenario 2 (FL loses, MSU loses):
5 FL (2-0)
6: AR (1-2) or Mizzou (1-2). Ark if Auburn Is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed.
7: AR or Mizzou

Scenario 3 (KY loses, MSU wins):
5: KY (3-1)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: Mizzou (2-3)
8: Ark (1-3)

Scenario 4 (FL loses, MSU wins):
5: FL (3-0)
6: MSU (2-1)
7: AR (1-3) or Mizzou (1-3) Ark if Auburn is #1 seed. Coin toss if TN is #1 seed..
8: AR or Mizzou

Moral of the story? Beat Mizzou.

I am pretty sure this is right. I double checked but I could have made a mistake if someone wants to check the records independently.

are you forgetting the four seed in all of those scenarios?  Sorry, I know that was a lot of work.

[hawg66]

I think the order would be the same. Just move everyone up one seed? 

[Hog Pharm]

are you forgetting the four seed in all of those scenarios?  Sorry, I know that was a lot of work.

No, he addressed that in the 1st sentence

[hawg66]

No, he addressed that in the 1st sentence

so who is the four seed in all of these scenarios?  Sorry, but it's whoever he has as # 5. Basically if Arkansas loses the loser of Florida/Kentucky gets the 4 seed. Or that's what it seems to me. 

[hawg66]

Found this. Looks right. Not a great format but tells you what you need to know
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seccountry.com/sec/sec-basketball-tournament-2018-tiebreaker-rules-scenarios-bracket-friday/amp

[31to6]

are you forgetting the four seed in all of those scenarios?  Sorry, I know that was a lot of work.

Yes. subtract 1 from every seed.. .it is correct now... I said I welcomed double-checking

I focused so much on getting all the head-to-head records (what a pain) that I overlooked something so simple.

edited.

[hawg66]

As simply as possible for the Hogs. 
Win and #4 seed
Lose and MSU lose. #6 seed
Lose and MSU win. #7 seed

[PolishPigPower]

As simply as possible for the Hogs. 
Win and #4 seed
Lose and MSU lose. #6 seed
Lose and MSU win. #7 seed

Either Thursday night or Friday afternoon game to start.  Living in STL, that sounds like I don't have to take time off work to head over to the Scottrade.  Nice!

[hawg66]

Okay, looking at it further there is a scenario for the Hogs to get the 5 seed. I'm f Florida loses, Arkansas and MSU lose.   Sheesh.  I give up lol

[rljjr]

Okay, looking at it further there is a scenario for the Hogs to get the 5 seed. I'm f Florida loses, Arkansas and MSU lose.   Sheesh.  I give up lol

It's a lot of mental gymnastics. I'd much prefer we just win and get that 4th spot. Easy.

[Dr. Starcs]

Found this article. All the scenarios for today. WPS

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seccountry.com/sec/sec-basketball-tournament-2018-tiebreaker-rules-scenarios-bracket-friday/amp

[lynbug]

Found this article. All the scenarios for today. WPS

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seccountry.com/sec/sec-basketball-tournament-2018-tiebreaker-rules-scenarios-bracket-friday/am

Thanks for the link.  It seems very complicated for conference seeding which everyone says doesn't make a drastic difference in NCAAT seeding.  When did we get away from simple head-to-head tiebreakers?

[Dr. Starcs]

It still is head to head if it's two teams. But more than two teams gets a little fuzzy.


Arkansas: Clinches the No. 4 seed with a win over Missouri. Cannot clinch the No. 5 seed, as it losses the tie breaker to Missouri. Clinches the No. 6 seed with a loss to Missouri and Mississippi State loss. Clinches the No. 7 seed with a loss and a Mississippi State win. Records against potential tie-breaker teams: Kentucky 0-1, Florida 0-1, Mississippi State 0-1, Missouri 1-0, (they play Saturday).


*Miss Stake up early at Lsu.

[lynbug]

It still is head to head if it's two teams. But more than two teams gets a little fuzzy.


Arkansas: Clinches the No. 4 seed with a win over Missouri. Cannot clinch the No. 5 seed, as it losses the tie breaker to Missouri. Clinches the No. 6 seed with a loss to Missouri and Mississippi State loss. Clinches the No. 7 seed with a loss and a Mississippi State win. Records against potential tie-breaker teams: Kentucky 0-1, Florida 0-1, Mississippi State 0-1, Missouri 1-0, (they play Saturday).


*Miss Stake up early at Lsu.

Not good...but I'm expecting Miss Stake to win today which will really muck things up.

[Dr. Starcs]

Florida locks down the 3 seed with win over Kensucky

[99toLife]

Florida locks down the 3 seed with win over Kensucky

Can't call it yet thier only up 15 with 2:10 to go. 

[Dr. Starcs]

Can't call it yet thier only up 15 with 2:10 to go. 

Put a fork in em

[99toLife]

Put a fork in em

Man FLA Kicked their butt Bad. Was never a game.

[Dr. Starcs]

LSU up 10 on Miss Stake. If result holds, HOGS are 4 with a win and 6 with a loss.
Very simple.

[Dr. Starcs]

Lsu beats down Miss St.

Hogs will be the 4 if we win and 6 if we lose tonight.

[colbs]

What is it that gives Missouri the tiebreaker?

[Dr. Starcs]

What is it that gives Missouri the tiebreaker?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seccountry.com/sec/sec-basketball-tournament-2018-tiebreaker-rules-scenarios-bracket-friday/amp

[99toLife]

What is it that gives Missouri the tiebreaker?

What Tiebreaker are you talking about, don't think Missouri can be a #4 seed, so it doesn't really matter.

[colbs]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seccountry.com/sec/sec-basketball-tournament-2018-tiebreaker-rules-scenarios-bracket-friday/amp

Shouldn't Arkansas still hold the tie breaker?  Since Arkansas/Missouri series would be tied they go based on record vs #1 team.  Missouri looks like they are 0-1 and Arkansas is 1-1.  I'm sure I'm overlooking something.

[Dr. Starcs]

Shouldn't Arkansas still hold the tie breaker?  Since Arkansas/Missouri series would be tied they go based on record vs #1 team.  Missouri looks like they are 0-1 and Arkansas is 1-1.  I'm sure I'm overlooking something.

I think what's confusing you is, if we were to lose there would be a 3 way tie for 4th. With us, Mizzou and Kentucky.

[colbs]

I think what's confusing you is, if we were to lose there would be a 3 way tie for 4th. With us, Mizzou and Kentucky.

Thanks yeah I forgot they are 10-8 too. 

[Dr. Starcs]

Aggies (9-9) win against Bama (8-10)

[Atlhogfan1]

Bama has completely collapsed. 

[Dr. Starcs]

Looks like Auburn will lock down the 1 seed.

[Dr. Starcs]

We'll play the Thursday afternoon game against the winner of South Carolina & either Ole Miss or Vandy.

* All seeds are set except for 13/14, Ole Miss or Vandy.

** standings and seeds are updated at top of page 1

[Dr. Starcs]

I will let jbcarol take over on the SEC tournament thread

[razCzar]

We'll play the Thursday afternoon game against the winner of South Carolina & either Ole Miss or Vandy.

* All seeds are set except for 13/14, Ole Miss or Vandy.

** standings and seeds are updated at top of page 1

According to this Hogs play the last game Thursday at around 8:30.
http://www.secsports.com/article/11037442/championship-men-basketball

Nice thread, Doctor!

[hogfanny]

Bama has completely collapsed.

and lunardi still has them in with 17 wins.

[razCzar]

Wouldn't you know it would be a Gamecock site where I'd find the SECT all laid out.
http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-mens-basketball/article203364099.html

SECT Schedule  (I edited times to CST)
     Wednesday's first round
G1: No. 12 Georgia vs. No. 13 Vanderbilt, 6 p.m., SEC Network
G2: No. 11 South Carolina vs. No. 14 Ole Miss, 8:30 p.m., SEC Network

     Thursday's second round
G3: No. 8 Texas A&M vs. No. 9 Alabama, 12 p.m., SEC Network
G4: No. 5 Missouri vs. Game 1 winner, 2:30 p.m., SEC Network
G5: No. 10 LSU vs. No. 7 Mississippi State, 6 p.m., SEC Network
G6: No. 6 Arkansas vs. Game 2 winner, 8:30 p.m., SEC Network

     Friday's quarterfinals
G7: No. 1 Auburn vs. Game 3 winner, 12 p.m., ESPN
G8: No. 4 Kentucky vs. Game 4 winner, 2:30 p.m., ESPN
G9: No. 2 Tennessee vs. Game 5 winner, 6 p.m., SEC Network
G10: No. 3 Florida vs. Game 6 winner, 8:30 p.m., SEC Network

     Saturday's semifinals
Game 11: Game 7 winner vs. Game 8 winner, 12 p.m., ESPN
Game 12: Game 9 winner vs. Game 10 winner, 2:30 p.m., ESPN

     Sunday's championship
Game 11 winner vs. Game 12 winner, 12 p.m., ESPN

[GoHogs1091]

and lunardi still has them in with 17 wins.

Totally baffling. 

Alabama is in with 17 wins and a conference record of 8-10.

Mississippi State is not in with 21 wins and a conference record of 9-9.

At some point, total number of wins and performance in conference should matter.