Houston Nutt vs Bobby Petrino

[b0sc0b]

I know, but someone had to do it.

Your courage is immeasurable.

[b0sc0b]

Who is this Houston Nutt? Before BP there was TCTWF.
You can hate bobby, but he was a winner. Gifted with the X's and O's. The other stuff got him into trouble.  Not excusing it but still love bobby, wishing he and his family the best. Looking forward to tommy t from tech being here post season.

How far the mighty have fallen to embrace the Tubbervillain with open arms.  Alas and alack.

[Hogustus Caesar]

How far the mighty have fallen to embrace the Tubbervillain with open arms.  Alas and alack.

Looks like tommy really wants it. Arkansas guy. We could do far worse. Proven sec coach, good recruiter so looks like safe hire. He was my choice over TCTWF back in the day.

[hogsanity]

You nailed it.
Just like Wally Hall...the minute Petrino was gone, here come the articles about 'he couldn't recruit...he was harsh on his players...' blah blah.
The second somebody leaves, here come the attacks.

there were some talking about the weak recruting before he left.  MANY were not happy with the last 2 classes especially.  Coming off 21-5 last years should have been much better.  But hey he did sign 30 or so wr's.

[cosmodrum]

Your courage is immeasurable.

You have a peculiar definition of courage.

[rhinopigathus]

bobby at least showed that you could win here.

[razorjacket43]

Funny thing about this post is they both were fired. For two seperate reasons neither a good one. BP chose his fate when he dipped his winky, Nutt just didnt know how to coach. Nutt proved he couldnt coach when he ran another school into the ground after leaving us. I think BP left us with better skill position players on offense, but nutt left us with a lil better defense and of course we had rb's when nutt was here. Had nutt got offended at Gus being our OC he might have won a championship, butt he got his panties in a wad cried to ole franky and got him shipped to tulsa. Overall I feel like BP got out before his program crumbled, I may be wrong, but i think this year would've been much the same with BP here. Nutt was to dumb to do anything wrong, and BP could'nt out score the offense, but gave it a dang good try.

[Sivad]

I'm tired of talking about the two guys who thought more about sinning...

[Chief Mac]

Looks like tommy really wants it. Arkansas guy. We could do far worse. Proven sec coach, good recruiter so looks like safe hire. He was my choice over TCTWF back in the day.

see here is one of my problems with people supporting Tuberville.  Their first defense of him is "he is an Arkansas guy".  Shouldn't it be he is a great coach, SEC experience, great defensive mind?  No, people see that he is from Arkansas and they almost wet themselves. 

I could give two sharts if the next coach is from Paris, Arkansas or Paris France, I just want THE BEST coach we can get

[Chief Mac]

I'm tired of talking about the two guys who thought more about sinning than leading our football team. Let's talk about who we're gonna get, not these two louses that we got rid of.

so, do you have that double plane glass or stained glass used in the construction of your house?

[The Divine Swine]

see here is one of my problems with people supporting Tuberville.  Their first defense of him is "he is an Arkansas guy".  Shouldn't it be he is a great coach, SEC experience, great defensive mind?  No, people see that he is from Arkansas and they almost wet themselves. 

I could give two sharts if the next coach is from Paris, Arkansas or Paris France, I just want THE BEST coach we can get

My mama was born in Paris.

[The Divine Swine]

France or Arkansas?

Lol, the natural state of course. We are full blooded Arkansans.

[HogsonHicks]

Any chance we could install one of these on the computers of Hogvillians to demonstrate some level of sobriety before creating threads?  Please?

[pigbacon]

After thinking about it...this seems like a trick question.  The day HDN left... the program became instantly better than it was the day before by him just not being here anymore. The opposite is true for BP.

BP pissed excellence on the offensive side of the ball while HDN, well, just tinkles.

[BartIV]

After thinking about it...this seems like a trick question.  The day HDN left... the program became instantly better than it was the day before by him just not being here anymore. The opposite is true for BP.

BP pissed excellence on the offensive side of the ball while HDN, well, just tinkles.

Never thought of it that way, but I see where you are coming from.

[westside_player]

There are different ways to interpret this question. Do you mean in terms of who left the most talent/best chance to win the next year or 2 or for the long term?

To me it's a no-brainer. Nutt left the program in far better shape over all. Possibly Petrino's  first year left over talent for Smith was a little more than Nutt left Petrino although that could be debated. But I'm not sure there is a valid argument Petrino left it in better shape for the long term.

[pigbacon]

Pigbacon got it right.


The DAY Houston Dale Nutt leaves any program, that program is FAR better off than it was... light years...

End of story.  Nutt wins by default.

Yeah. Boise State, Arkansas, Ole Miss...

[GalaHawg]

The question should have been Nuttster vs Johnelle

[Zeke_in_KC]

I feel like BP got out before his program crumbled, I may be wrong, but i think this year would've been much the same with BP here.

+1 for Realism.

[the_kosher_pig]

see here is one of my problems with people supporting Tuberville.  Their first defense of him is "he is an Arkansas guy".  Shouldn't it be he is a great coach, SEC experience, great defensive mind?  No, people see that he is from Arkansas and they almost wet themselves. 

I could give two sharts if the next coach is from Paris, Arkansas or Paris France, I just want THE BEST coach we can get

Some people think that's a bigger plus with his Arkansas reputation.  Some of us think we need to do a better job recruiting in state instead of the gambles on players out of state.........

[Hogwild]

I feel like BP got out before his program crumbled, I may be wrong, but i think this year would've been much the same with BP here.

+1 for Realism.

While we aren't a top 10 team, if BP was still here I don't think we would be 3-5. Yes we have some talent issues, BP knew how adjust & to get the most out of them. I don't think we lose either game in LR, and maybe even Rutgers. What really concerns me is this year's recruiting class.

[razorjacket43]

This years class is all on the new coach. If the recruit wants to be a Hog no matter what, is great, but i am sure before a young guy signs a letter or wants to stay depends on who they put in as head coach. We could get different results with each different possible coach. So until we know who is coming as a coach, we problably wont have a true guess at what this years class will be.

[BartIV]

The question should have been Nuttster vs Johnelle

I should have thought about adding Petrino and John L. together, but that wouldn't be fair to Petrino. John L. has done more harm than good and has created a bunch of short 1 minute clips of why he should have never been brought in, but JUST SMILE. He helped make Arkansas look like a backwoods joke and its not enough we have to deal with stuff like that to begin with.
You take John L. out of this equation and make Paul Petrino the Interim coach, we don't have as big a mess on our hands, we have the same record and we have an extra 1 million dollars in our pocket that we spend on JLS.
Poor move by Jeff Long.

[BartIV]

This poll will close at the end of the day.

Houston Nutt getting some votes. Good for him, didn't see that coming.

[Chief Mac]

Some people think that's a bigger plus with his Arkansas reputation.  Some of us think we need to do a better job recruiting in state instead of the gambles on players out of state.........

yeah, because the state of Arkansas produces soooooooooo many top tier players.  Yep, lets have a team of good old Arkansas boys.  We may not win much but hell, they will love the helmet and be winners and fighters.

JEEBUS some people do not understand football

[SoonerInSpringdale]

Really Bart?...1,000  better now than then, CBP proved you can win big here...and now it should be expected.

Nutt actually went to conference championship games.

[Chief Mac]

Nutt actually went to conference championship games.

before Saban made Bama into the Juggernaut it is.  The SEC-W was down and the east was up during Nutt's tenure.  Kinda like UGA getting to the SEC Championship game last year. 

[SoonerInSpringdale]

before Saban made Bama into the Juggernaut it is.  The SEC-W was down and the east was up during Nutt's tenure.  Kinda like UGA getting to the SEC Championship game last year.

So?  There are always ups and downs in teams, divisions and conferences.  Doesn't change the fact that he got to the game and Bobby couldn't sniff it.  Never would have either.  Saban and Miles were so far in his head he couldn't see straight

[farmhawg]

Nutt actually went to conference championship games.

And the stupidity shows up early today....

[Chief Mac]

So?  There are always ups and downs in teams, divisions and conferences.  Doesn't change the fact that he got to the game and Bobby couldn't sniff it.  Never would have either.  Saban and Miles were so far in his head he couldn't see straight

actually it does make a difference.  Strength of the division is a big factor in the ability of getting to the championship game.  Nutt was at Arkansas before Bama was head and shoulders above EVERY program in the nation and LSU is one of the top teams in the nation as well.  When Nutt was at Arkansas, the top team in the division rotated based on who had the top senior class.  Additionally, had Bama not been on probation, Nutt would have taken only one team to Atlanta.  That team did not win it on the field.

Propping up Nutt to take potshots at Petrino is beyond ridiculous

[SoonerInSpringdale]

actually it does make a difference.  Strength of the division is a big factor in the ability of getting to the championship game.  Nutt was at Arkansas before Bama was head and shoulders above EVERY program in the nation and LSU is one of the top teams in the nation as well.  When Nutt was at Arkansas, the top team in the division rotated based on who had the top senior class.  Additionally, had Bama not been on probation, Nutt would have taken only one team to Atlanta.  That team did not win it on the field.

Propping up Nutt to take potshots at Petrino is beyond ridiculous

If they are truly apples and oranges then no comparisons should have drawn.  It can be argued that Nutt had more success in the SEC though

[BartIV]

If they are truly apples and oranges then no comparisons should have drawn.  It can be argued that Nutt had more success in the SEC though

You give Petrino 5 extra years that Nutt had, he would have surpassed anything Nutt ever did here.

[BartIV]

Polls Closed

[Zeke_in_KC]

You give Petrino 5 extra years that Nutt had, he would have surpassed anything Nutt ever did here.

Bobby Petrino has never survived five years, let alone five more...

Now, you're dealing in fantasy.

[Justifiable Hogicide]

You give Petrino 5 extra years that Nutt had, he would have surpassed anything Nutt ever did here.

He already did that in just four and after cleaning up the mess left by Nutt.

[bigpigonthehill]

They both did about the same damage. They both did not achieve what an SEC and national champion ship team desire. Petrino was a lot better than Nutt.

The one thing both did was cause a stir and hunger in Razorback nation. They caused us to desire and hunger for a better agenda and to push the program to the next level. We got a somewhat taste of what we could achieve. However, we now know deep inside the true commitment we must put forth in attaining a great coach and recruitment of players. Long is now a problem. Either he bows to the wishes and desires of the fans or he gets out of Dodge. He has no choice. We are just too disgusted with mediocrity.

[SoonerInSpringdale]

You give Petrino 5 extra years that Nutt had, he would have surpassed anything Nutt ever did here.

When comparing I don't look at what people might have done in x number of infinite years on the job.  I just deal with what they actually did when they had the job.  Nutt competed for SEC titles.  Petrino struggled to get 3rd in his division.

[theregoestalley]

Nutt left the talent base for a good start at a big bowl with a great final class but left very little upper class talent. Petrino left a great running back who was fresh from being misused a good qb and a really good wr/te combo all who will be gone next year. There might be some good young talent but too early to say. Overall I think nutt left a better situation for long term success

[Hogustus Caesar]

see here is one of my problems with people supporting Tuberville.  Their first defense of him is "he is an Arkansas guy".  Shouldn't it be he is a great coach, SEC experience, great defensive mind?  No, people see that he is from Arkansas and they almost wet themselves. 

I could give two sharts if the next coach is from Paris, Arkansas or Paris France, I just want THE BEST coach we can get

I agree, but like the fact that he knows the razorback fan base, understands the love for the program since he is from here. He is a winner. May do better. NFL season is not over yet, may have interest in coaches from there.

[Zeke_in_KC]

Overall I think nutt left a better situation for long term success.

That's debatable.

What isn't is that Houston Nutt left an offensive line which allowed Ryan Mallett to succeed.  Bobby Petrino recruited an offensive line allowing Tyler Wilson to fail.

[the_kosher_pig]

yeah, because the state of Arkansas produces soooooooooo many top tier players.  Yep, lets have a team of good old Arkansas boys.  We may not win much but hell, they will love the helmet and be winners and fighters.

JEEBUS some people do not understand football

Arkansas produces way more than you realize.  We just don't offer them.  High School TEAMS are better outside the state.  Our talent here is just as good as the talent elsewhere.  Luckily we are recruiting PLAYERS, not TEAMS.  You clearly do not understand football.