Who is Responsible for Arkansas' Demise in Football?

[swineology]

Poll is $hit

John White fricked us

[Ex-Trumpet]

Not sure it's related, but the move to the SEC started a downward trend that keeps trending downward.

Certainly was responsible for the demise of the SWC!!

[moses_007]

We can't trend downward any further in the SEC.  The current football standings shows us in the cellar, a place that Bielema has occupied most often since he's been here.

[Ex-Trumpet]

We can't trend downward any further in the SEC.  The current football standings shows us in the cellar, a place that Bielema has occupied most often since he's been here.

I suspected it was bad, but thanks, for ruining my beer.  Now I'm gonna have to get another one.

[texas tush hog]

Poll is $hit

John White fricked us

Exactly

[elkhog]

Right now it appears Jeff Long will shoulder most of the blame.  You guys aren't seeming to blame Bielema, which I find most interesting since some 90 percent of folks here are calling for his firing.

I was only allowed one choice.

[elkhog]

We can't trend downward any further in the SEC.  The current football standings shows us in the cellar, a place that Bielema has occupied most often since he's been here.

We will finish 5-7, possibly even 6-6.   Still sucks.

[RazorbacksFTW]

I blame both Long and Bert.
I blame Long for the buyout and extension he gave Bert and I blame Bert because he is one of the worst head coaches I have ever seen.
And yes I know the buyout is 5-6 million dollars not 15 million but that is still too much since Long gave him that after only winning like 7 games.

So I voted option 1 since blaming Long for hiring Bert is also admitting that Bert sucks.

[3kgthog]

Blame Barry Alvarez, who watches Arkansas play for laughs.

Heck, I watched our game against Bama for laughs and I've been a Hog fan since I was knee high to a grasshopper.

[forrest city joe]

In this order.
John White.without John White,Jeff Long would have never been here.
Jeff Long. made one of the worst decisions in school history when he fired CBP, and hired coach B.
BOT for letting Long do this.
coach B. for not being a very good coach.and not putting his best talent on the field.

There is a lot of blame for this mess.they killed Arkansas Razorback football.

[moses_007]

In this order.
John White.without John White,Jeff Long would have never been here.
Jeff Long. made one of the worst decisions in school history when he fired CBP, and hired coach B.
BOT for letting Long do this.
coach B. for not being a very good coach.and not putting his best talent on the field.

There is a lot of blame for this mess.they killed Arkansas Razorback football.

There's blame everywhere you look.  White should never have selected a football or basketball coach.  He hired Pelphrey while Broyles was at the Master's in Georgia, behind Broyles' back.

[TheJoeyBucketz]

I said [you].








Did it work?

[Hog N Bama]

If Petrino had only been faithful

[Quickdraw]

I say all of them had a slice of the pie. Some better than others but they all contributed to the success and failure.

[pigskenG]

(1) all the players that we tried to recruit to Arkansas that went to Alabama, Auburn, Florida, LSU, TN, TA&M, Texas, OU, Ohio St. instead. You want me to list them all ? I watched LSU - AU on Saturday, kept saying to myself "tried to get him, tried to get him, tried to get him," etc.
(2) looking at the SEC standings right now, seems like the consistently good teams have either a solid offensive line, or a QB that can run and turn a bad play into a good one.  Just a thought.

[SchrodingersHog]

Broyles meddling with coaches.  White meddling with hires.  Nutt's ego.  Petrino's ego.  Long's hires.  Bielema's whatever his problem is.  Not a recipe for success.

[East Clintwood]

White should be really happy.

Arkansas officially has reached Vanderbilt level.




But only in athletics, not academics.

[Hawgzinbowlz]

Long should not be allowed to choose the next coach.

This...

" GO HOGS "

[Hawgzinbowlz]

In this order.
John White.without John White,Jeff Long would have never been here.
Jeff Long. made one of the worst decisions in school history when he fired CBP, and hired coach B.
BOT for letting Long do this.
coach B. for not being a very good coach.and not putting his best talent on the field.

There is a lot of blame for this mess.they killed Arkansas Razorback football.

Also...Not developing his players to their potential and not developing them in a timely manner.'

Many reasons and 1 head coach...Fire CBB.

" GO HOGS "

[leroyhawg]

Hate to talk about the deaf, but Bro Frank

[leroyhawg]

We can't trend downward any further in the SEC.  The current football standings shows us in the cellar, a place that Bielema has occupied most often since he's been here.

Take some of these teams and leave BAMA to EFF themselves

[BartIV]

I blame John Futrall for starting a football team in Northwest Arkansas. He is the reason I stay up late on Sunday nights complaining about a game.

[BadHog]

Pillowhead Jackson

[Pork Twain]

That is where we disagree.  He seems like a nice guy and is good at raising money, but he isn't a winner.  Wasn't a winner at Pitt, hasn't been a winner here.
Ten years ago we entered a new era, Frank and Nutt departed and Jeff Long assumed control.

Since then 3 head coaches, about to have our 4th head coach in 11 years, and they have a combine conference record of 29-46, worst in the division. The SEC is down and we are at the bottom of it.


There isn't even light at the end of the tunnel, does anyone think that over the next 4 years our ceiling is anything higher than the Liberty Bowl?  That based on our current administration, leadership, coaching, recruiting, roster.

ADs don't win or lose games, they hire coaches to do that.  If that was the case, JFB was a failure based on Kines, Crowe, Ford, HDN, Heath, and Pel.  Everyone is allowed to make a hiring mistake.  Look no further than aTm (Franchione, Sherman & Sumlin), LSU (Orgeron), Florida (Muschamp & Durkin) and Tennessee (Kiffin, Dooley & Jones).  After seeing what CBB did at Wisky, very few were complaining when we "stole" him and it appeared we were trending up till the last two failures last year and the bomb this year.  For me, the good he has done here, far outweighs the bad and that is all you can ask for.

[PigPusher]

With something like this it is really hard to point to one person or one event that set it all in motion. 

What if we hadn't moved to the SEC?  Could we have won like Oklahomo and Nebraska, if we would have stayed with the Texass talent?

What if JFB had not run off a couple of great coaches and then later fell in love with an awful one?

What if Clint had not Fumbled?

What if HDN had continued to let Gus call the plays?

What if Bobby P had not wrecked his bike?

What if Bobby would have been honest from the beginning and Long had just put restrictions in place?

What if the wreck happened at a different time of the year when there were coaches actually looking for a job and not just some lame duck, that was just keeping the seat warm?

What if Pittman had stayed here and actually recruited some offensive linemen?

What if CBB had just kept his mouth shut and made sure this team was ready each and every game and that the most important positions were always filled in recruiting?

What if we wore black uniforms?

What if all of our home games were actually played at home?

I do not blame Jeff Long in this and I hope we do not lose him.  I was shocked when I thought he stole a really good coach from Wisky and other than the extension, I have not been unhappy with any move he has in either coaches or facilities.  We could do a LOT worse and I am afraid some fans that want X, Y and Z fired every single year, will get their wish and we will learn what it really feels like to suck.

WHAT IF some of us had something to contribute other than being ludicrous. Did you have something to contribute?

[HogFoo]

I think It was Frank's fault for not hiring Jimmy Johnson! 

After that, probably  not hiring Tubberville, after that probably not making Bobby Petrino have to kiss everyone's ass in order to save his job which makes him say NO initially then after an hour or so changes his mind and decides he will kiss everyone's ads but by that time Long is about to have his press conference to say he is officially firing Protein and so he doesn't  answer Petrinos call.

After that, I'll say it was when Bielema hired the POS Anderson to coach OLine.  That was the biggest mistake Bielema has made since being out coach.  Not hiring an already known, PROVEN OL coach who already had ties to recruiting.  Instead we get some bum who kikes to drink beer and chew him and he's all out of gum.   Who finally switches and puts the best OL in after Bielema steps in.  But yeah, that's the problem hires we've had to get us to where we are today!

[KennyForAD]

Currently, Jeff Long is a nightmare... Our major boosters are a nightmare.  Our current coach is a NIGHTMARE who fooled us, and probably himself, into believing he has a clue how to coach football.  But the truth is that Frank Broyles' ego is the root cause of ALL of it and the demise began when Frank felt that Lou Holtz was a threat to outshine all he had done at Arkansas.  Frank's primary goal was always to protect his status as Arkansas' legendary coach.   He sabotaged us for decades and instilled the apathetic, nonsensical view that we are just, "Little ol' Arkansas" so deeply and for so long that we will never get over it.   

The move to the SEC was no mistake, as some have suggested.  We could have been highly competitive had Frank wanted to be.  Frank had the power to overcome White, had he wanted to, but it was just fine with Frank to be overruled.  Nutt was his dream coach - Frank got to go around claiming that Arkansas just couldn't do any better, and further glorifying himself because only a legend like Frank could possibly win at Arkansas...   Petrino proved that BS was utter nonsense and it looked as if we would overcome Frank's ego, but ... it just wasn't to be.  Arkansas has been for a LONG time a sleeping giant.  We could hire a good coach and be great at any time ... but we had our shot and its probably the last one we'll get in a long, long, Jeff LONG time.

[hogsanity]

Demise from what? Have you seen the program since it joined the SEC? The last time the Hogs were truly a great team was the late 70's, and even then they had the proclivity to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at the most inopportune times.

If anyone is to blame, it is the fans who for some unknown reason think this program is capable of being a perennial top 15 team. NOTHING about the football program actually shows that though. Not recruiting base, not facilities, not fan base, not coaching hire attractiveness, nothing says that. The Hogs are middle to lower level in the SEC in EVERYTHING and the results bear that out. They get a top 25 class in recruiting every year, based on the recruiting rankings, which is usually only good for 8th-10th in the conference. So, again based on recruiting rankings, 8-10 team in the league have better players year after year after year. You can have the best of everything, but if your players are still only 8th-10th best in the league, your team will be around 8th in the league. Until the talent problem is fixed, nothing is going to change.

[The_Iceman]

The fact that Jeff Long is winning this poll shows that emotions turn everyone into idiots.

[hogsanity]

The fact that Jeff Long is winning this poll shows that emotions turn everyone into idiots.

It is not emotions, it is that Long is an " easy fix " because the real problems with football are not easily fixable, if fixable at all. It is easy to fire one guy and replace him.

[bkjbearcat]

Not sure it's related, but the move to the SEC started a downward trend that keeps trending downward.

Certainly was responsible for the demise of the SWC!!

I think you can blame SMU and the death penalty for that one.

[PigPusher]

Currently, Jeff Long is a nightmare... Our major boosters are a nightmare.  Our current coach is a NIGHTMARE who fooled us, and probably himself, into believing he has a clue how to coach football.  But the truth is that Frank Broyles' ego is the root cause of ALL of it and the demise began when Frank felt that Lou Holtz was a threat to outshine all he had done at Arkansas.  Frank's primary goal was always to protect his status as Arkansas' legendary coach.   He sabotaged us for decades and instilled the apathetic, nonsensical view that we are just, "Little ol' Arkansas" so deeply and for so long that we will never get over it.   

The move to the SEC was no mistake, as some have suggested.  We could have been highly competitive had Frank wanted to be.  Frank had the power to overcome White, had he wanted to, but it was just fine with Frank to be overruled.  Nutt was his dream coach - Frank got to go around claiming that Arkansas just couldn't do any better, and further glorifying himself because only a legend like Frank could possibly win at Arkansas...   Petrino proved that BS was utter nonsense and it looked as if we would overcome Frank's ego, but ... it just wasn't to be.  Arkansas has been for a LONG time a sleeping giant.  We could hire a good coach and be great at any time ... but we had our shot and its probably the last one we'll get in a long, long, Jeff LONG time.

Dang totally agree. That absolutely was the word on the street at the time. The old ego thing. Everyone that came to the UofA that had the talent to coach were by subterfuge to some extent and bullying on the other were run off. And, O'l mighty one is gone also. As such it seems we have lost our way and lost too our daring. 

[Piggfoot]

I blame Arkansas. Like it or not Arkansas does not have the player resources to compete in the SEC. Frank knew it and sold it for money. To be relevant Arkansas has to beg players other teams have passed by to come to Arkansas.
The coaches we have had have all done an admirable job for a period of their time here but they can't sustain it to satisfy the fans who are thankless for the players who have come to our state to entertain us. The SEC spiders gave us money to join so they would have someone to beat other than themselves.
And I agree with most of the above except that part which insinuates that we can out play the SEC elite consistently.

[Steef]

I blame Arkansas. Like it or not Arkansas does not have the player resources to compete in the SEC. Frank knew it and sold it for money. To be relevant Arkansas has to beg players other teams have passed by to come to Arkansas.
The coaches we have had have all done an admirable job for a period of their time here but they can't sustain it to satisfy the fans who are thankless for the players who have come to our state to entertain us. The SEC spiders gave us money to join so they would have someone to beat other than themselves.
And I agree with most of the above except that part which insinuates that we can out play the SEC elite consistently.

Arkansas doesnt have the player resources to compete in any P5 conference.

Unless you want to move down in grade, we're gonna have to recruit out of State.

[Ex-Trumpet]

I think you can blame SMU and the death penalty for that one.

Somebody had to take the fall in Texas--and it wasn't going to be aTm or Texas!  Thus, SMU. 

What happened at SMU was peanuts compared to what happened in Austin or College Station...but we won't hear that on the Longhorn Network!!

[HoggieStyle]

John White.