Guns at Razorback Stadium

[(notOM)Rebel123]

I'd bet The commissioner does not have the authority to kick someone out.

He does not. But the other league members do. Bolin's tweet was a tad on the extreme side. But playing our conference games on the road doesn't seem to appealing. Not sure we want to find out how far the league will go.

[Inhogswetrust]

one would think the NRA would understand this.  they are as much lemmings in their blindo opposition to common sense as any california liberal.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170328/action-needed-gun-control-bill-headed-to-arkansas-house-floor-despite-strong-opposition

"It is imperative that you contact your state Representative IMMEDIATLEY with your strong opposition to this bill!"

"SB 724 seeks to amend several sections of the newly enacted House Bill 1249, which was signed into law by Governor Asa Hutchinson on March 23.  This bill, after being amended, adds public teaching hospitals and college sporting events to the list of places where licensees with the enhanced carry permit would still be prohibited from carrying."

Those damn liberals want to restrict gun rights LOL

I'm pro gun rights and have considered joining the NRA. Not anymore. I think they are like PETA and have gone way beyond reason and logic.

[Inhogswetrust]

He does not. But the other league members do. Bolin's tweet was a tad on the extreme side. But playing our conference games on the road doesn't seem to appealing. Not sure we want to find out how far the league will go.

I remember the last time Bolin's name came up on here. It wasn't good then and it isn't good now.

[Ironhawg]

one would think the NRA would understand this.  they are as much lemmings in their blindo opposition to common sense as any california liberal.

I used to be an NRA member, but I found their positions on some issues to be too dogmatic.  I found other organizations to preserve my Second Amendment rights.

[Kemo Sabe]

there has already been a ton of guns in the stadium. A lot of folks have been carrying them for years

^^^^^^Yep!^^^^^^^

[parallaxpig]

He does not. But the other league members do. Bolin's tweet was a tad on the extreme side. But playing our conference games on the road doesn't seem to appealing. Not sure we want to find out how far the league will go.

I bet NCAA has the power to keep a baseball regional out of Baum.

[bennyl08]

I'm pro gun rights and have considered joining the NRA. Not anymore. I think they are like PETA and have gone way beyond reason and logic.

They still do some good things when they are focused on gun and owners and not the politics. Gun safety lessons, hunting safety, and things like that. However, politically, they make greenpeace look sane and they greatly damaged a UNESCO world heritage site for a stupid publicity stunt.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

I bet NCAA has the power to keep a baseball regional out of Baum.

Definitely.

[ricepig]

Definitely.

Shoot, the CWS selection committee does that already........

[Kemo Sabe]

So I could carry a conceal weapon in DWRRS before despite the UofA not wanting me to, but now that it has been ok'ed by the Government, it is a problem.  What about the tailgating areas? What about the golf course at WMS? That is where all the drinking takes place. I'd feel pretty confident in saying there are guns in vehicles all throughout those areas on game day.

Ultimately, this is a non issue brought to light simply because we have been granted the ability to do so. Until now, anyone wanting to do harm, could do so regardless of laws. That threat isn't made greater by this.

I couldn't agree more, HF#1

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Shoot, the CWS selection committee does that already........

Ha! Hey now...We hosted a super regional 2 years ago (well, thanks to the Springfield Cardinals).

[The OTR]

I think this could make Arkansas a destination spot for a lot of big spenders if the big spenders know they are allowed to pack heat.  Al Capone and many gangsters and unsavory types used to throw a lot money around Hot Springs back in the day and helped make that city what it is today.  I can see that same type of thing happening to U of A on game day.  Lots of big spenders rolling into town and having a good time on campus and throwing a lot of money around. I can't see anything but good coming of this...a financial windfall for the city and the U of A.

[PorkSoda]

I think this could make Arkansas a destination spot for a lot of big spenders if the big spenders know they are allowed to pack heat.  Al Capone and many gangsters and unsavory types used to throw a lot money around Hot Springs back in the day and helped make that city what it is today.  I can see that same type of thing happening to U of A on game day.  Lots of big spenders rolling into town and having a good time on campus and throwing a lot of money around. I can't see anything but good coming of this...a financial windfall for the city and the U of A.

well at least she can now attend football games RRS

[ricepig]

I think this could make Arkansas a destination spot for a lot of big spenders if the big spenders know they are allowed to pack heat.  Al Capone and many gangsters and unsavory types used to throw a lot money around Hot Springs back in the day and helped make that city what it is today.  I can see that same type of thing happening to U of A on game day.  Lots of big spenders rolling into town and having a good time on campus and throwing a lot of money around. I can't see anything but good coming of this...a financial windfall for the city and the U of A.

I'm already doing that, but my bodyguards are licensed to carry.

[spe450]

there has already been a ton of guns in the stadium. A lot of folks have been carrying them for years

Have they not been breaking the law in doing so?

[Cinco de Hogo]

I am pro-Second Amendment.  I support the NRA.  I have my CCP and I concealed carry regularly.  I am also a retired police officer, have carried a gun every day most of my adult life and have worked Razorback football games in the past.  I say all that to say this; allowing anyone other than law enforcement to carry guns at a sporting event is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard.  I have had alcohol poured on me while escorting the opponent off the field.  I have seen a liquor bottle come flying out of the stands aimed at the officials (at least I think that's who he was aiming at.)  We absolutely, positively do not need guns in a sports event.  There are plenty of cops around the stadium in the event of some kind of an attack.  I feel strongly enough about this that I have already emailed my representative.

Here here!  This is always my concern, how can a police officer tell who the good guys are if everyone is waving guns around.  In your home or just out and about sure that might save a life now and then but in a stadium full of people it's a recipe for disaster.

[theshiva]

I don't blame the NRA for being so extreme nowadays. For awhile gun owners heard pleas of compromise and common sense gun laws from the left that ended up only having rights taken away and no real compromise. I can see why they fight for every right they can since it was the tactic used against gun owners in the past.

[PorkRinds]

I don't blame the NRA for being so extreme nowadays. For awhile gun owners heard pleas of compromise and common sense gun laws from the left that ended up only having rights taken away and no real compromise. I can see why they fight for every right they can since it was the tactic used against gun owners in the past.

No need for bull darn excuses. This idea is nuts.

[lstewart]

I assume the sports stadium exemption will be added, and guns won't be allowed at games, but all this will have already created a good bit of harm for the Hogs and maybe some other Arkansas schools. I've seen a number of people mention they have carried their guns into Razorback games in the past. I assume with all this publicity, the University of Arkansas will increase security for those entering the stadium by adding metal detectors at all entrances, and maybe armed security at each entrance. This will have to slow down the process a great deal of getting into the stadium. I assume some may drop their season tickets at this point over the issue of guns possibly being allowed, and others will drop them due to the additional hassle of trying to get through the added security. Add that to the national negative media being generated, the negative recruiting implications, etc. A lot of damage has been done, even if the law is now changed.

[010HogFan]

I assume the sports stadium exemption will be added, and guns won't be allowed at games, but all this will have already created a good bit of harm for the Hogs and maybe some other Arkansas schools. I've seen a number of people mention they have carried their guns into Razorback games in the past. I assume with all this publicity, the University of Arkansas will increase security for those entering the stadium by adding metal detectors at all entrances, and maybe armed security at each entrance. This will have to slow down the process a great deal of getting into the stadium. I assume some may drop their season tickets at this point over the issue of guns possibly being allowed, and others will drop them due to the additional hassle of trying to get through the added security. Add that to the national negative media being generated, the negative recruiting implications, etc. A lot of damage has been done, even if the law is now changed.

Yep. and all of it unnecessary. but who is really surprised as much as we shoot ourselves in the foot in all things sports related.

[Sivad]

You can always count on the Arkansas state legislature to screw the pooch.

[TechHawg]

I am pro-Second Amendment.  I support the NRA.  I have my CCP and I concealed carry regularly.  I am also a retired police officer, have carried a gun every day most of my adult life and have worked Razorback football games in the past.  I say all that to say this; allowing anyone other than law enforcement to carry guns at a sporting event is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard.  I have had alcohol poured on me while escorting the opponent off the field.  I have seen a liquor bottle come flying out of the stands aimed at the officials (at least I think that's who he was aiming at.)  We absolutely, positively do not need guns in a sports event.  There are plenty of cops around the stadium in the event of some kind of an attack.  I feel strongly enough about this that I have already emailed my representative.

Sounds like they need to crack down on the drunkenness at these events. I've said before, I'm much more concerned with the drunks on the road after ball games than I am licensed, qualified permit holders carrying a weapon.

[Grizzlyfan]

This is the question.  I've seen a ton of pro gun people say they don't want guns at sporting events.  Who is the bill representing?

A bunch of "small government" Republicans, with super majorities, who love passing legislation taking decision making powers away from local governments, local schools, and colleges/universities.  Remember, small government is in the eye of the beholder.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

I'd wager that most of the individuals behind this bill have never attended a Razorback game.  Or if they did, it was in the sterile confines of a luxury box. 

I'm a gun owner and a Second Amendment guy, but this would be the most ludicrous thing that's come down the pike since new Coke.

[010HogFan]

Sounds like they need to crack down on the drunkenness at these events. I've said before, I'm much more concerned with the drunks on the road after ball games than I am licensed, qualified permit holders carrying a weapon.

what you fail to think about is what happens when an event does occur and these licensed permit holders all draw their guns at once. Which one is the bad guy? Now, a licensed permit holder is shot by another licensed permit holder because of a case of mistaken identity. Now multiply this scenario and it's a recipe for potential chaos. I would rather take my chances with uniformed police being the ones with weapons than some guy in a red t-shirt and jeans.

[PonderinHog]

The bad guys all wear anthracite.

[010HogFan]

The bad guys all wear anthracite.

watch out for Popcorn Hog, dead giveaway

[pigture perfect]

I'd wager that most of the individuals behind this bill have never attended a Razorback game.  Or if they did, it was in the sterile confines of a luxury box. 

I'm a gun owner and a Second Amendment guy, but this would be the most ludicrous thing that's come down the pike since new Coke.

totally agree. I'm a CCH and a member of the NRA. I thought I had some clear thinking friends, until one of my Facebook friends started a post about this. I've concluded that there are more nuts out there than I realized.

[Talon]

I assume some may drop their season tickets at this point over the issue of guns possibly being allowed, and others will drop them due to the additional hassle of trying to get through the added security. Add that to the national negative media being generated, the negative recruiting implications, etc. A lot of damage has been done, even if the law is now changed.

Amen. A lot of damage has been done and it will continue. CBB and staff have a difficult time attracting recruits as it is without this insanity which will be used against us. I've been a lifelong hog fan but will drop my season tickets if this is not reversed. I'm not anti-gun, if fact I'm a retired military officer. I will be voting against my state senator and rep if they voted for this. It is time for some fresh blood in LR.

[Pig in the Pokey]

one would think the NRA would understand this.  they are as much lemmings in their blind opposition to common sense as any california liberal.

freaking morons. same idiots say it's ok to run over peaceful protesters. These fools think it's a good idea to let the bad guys have guns in a crowd with that anonymity and with all that fantasyworld misguided anger and passion that sports provides. yeah, that will make us safer.

[ricepig]

I'd wager that most of the individuals behind this bill have never attended a Razorback game.  Or if they did, it was in the sterile confines of a luxury box. 

I'm a gun owner and a Second Amendment guy, but this would be the most ludicrous thing that's come down the pike since new Coke.

I'd say the first sentence accurately cover it. If a school, bar, church, or any establishment wish to prohibit CC, then it should be their prerogative.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Amen. A lot of damage has been done and it will continue. CBB and staff have a difficult time attracting recruits as it is without this insanity which will be used against us. I've been a lifelong hog fan but will drop my season tickets if this is not reversed. I'm not anti-gun, if fact I'm a retired military officer. I will be voting against my state senator and rep if they voted for this. It is time for some fresh blood in LR.

agreed. they are also subverting the will of the people on our cannabis legislation. they need to get ousted.

[Inhogswetrust]

A bunch of "small government" Republicans, with super majorities, who love passing legislation taking decision making powers away from local governments, local schools, and colleges/universities.  Remember, small government is in the eye of the beholder.

and the ironic thing is they are the one's always screaming about Big Government and what they think are stupid laws.

[logic]

I am pro-Second Amendment.  I support the NRA.  I have my CCP and I concealed carry regularly.  I am also a retired police officer, have carried a gun every day most of my adult life and have worked Razorback football games in the past.  I say all that to say this; allowing anyone other than law enforcement to carry guns at a sporting event is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard.  I have had alcohol poured on me while escorting the opponent off the field.  I have seen a liquor bottle come flying out of the stands aimed at the officials (at least I think that's who he was aiming at.)  We absolutely, positively do not need guns in a sports event.  There are plenty of cops around the stadium in the event of some kind of an attack.  I feel strongly enough about this that I have already emailed my representative.

If it looks like a radical liberal, quacks like a radical liberal, most likely it's a radical liberal.  And, we all know how liberals claim to be the opposite to what they are to making an argument.

[hoghiker]

Don't think I'd want my son playing in front of a crowd of people packing pistols. I doubt players want it. Come play in the family atmosphere of RRS. Just don't wizz anyone off.

[sowmonella]

I'd wager that most of the individuals behind this bill have never attended a Razorback game.  Or if they did, it was in the sterile confines of a luxury box. 

I'm a gun owner and a Second Amendment guy, but this would be the most ludicrous thing that's come down the pike since new Coke.

Ditto X 50

[spe450]

If it looks like a radical liberal, quacks like a radical liberal, most likely it's a radical liberal.  And, we all know how liberals claim to be the opposite to what they are to making an argument.

Never once have I seen Iron referred to as liberal.  This is hilarious.

[grayhawg]

Looks like the House will follow the lead of the Senate and allow schools to exempt sports arenas and stadiums. So no guns to football and basketball games.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sec-asks-arkansas-exempt-stadiums-arenas-gun-law-202613768--spt.html

[ricepig]

Looks like the House will follow the lead of the Senate and allow schools to exempt sports arenas and stadiums. So no guns to football and basketball games.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sec-asks-arkansas-exempt-stadiums-arenas-gun-law-202613768--spt.html

It hasn't passed the House yet.


https://twitter.com/SportsTalkwBo/status/847192678571917312

[hawgwash]

nm

[PorkRinds]

If it looks like a radical liberal, quacks like a radical liberal, most likely it's a radical liberal.  And, we all know how liberals claim to be the opposite to what they are to making an argument.

If it looks like a moron and quacks like a moron, most likely it's a moron. And we all know how morons claim to be the opposite to what they are to making an argument. 

[hawgwash]

If it looks like a radical liberal, quacks like a radical liberal, most likely it's a radical liberal.  And, we all know how liberals claim to be the opposite to what they are to making an argument.

"nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms"

Quote from well known wacko liberal Antonin Scalia in District of Columbia vs. Heller.

[GoHogzzGo]

Media continues to completely misrepresent the situation, check this one out if you can handle another idiot.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/us-sport/arkansas-has-passed-a-law-allowing-students-to-bring-guns-to-american-football-games-a7657131.html

[grayhawg]

I'll bet the exemption the Senate passed will pass in the house as well.

[The Hawg Marshal]

This is one of, if not the stupidest things this legislature has done.

[bennyl08]

Media continues to completely misrepresent the situation, check this one out if you can handle another idiot.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/us-sport/arkansas-has-passed-a-law-allowing-students-to-bring-guns-to-american-football-games-a7657131.html

Nothing said in that article isn't true. Well, except for the very first paragraph on attendance. First, it doesn't specify RRS as the stadium, so american football games can attract well over 100k people. Further, even at RRS, attendance is regularly well over 70k, with the record being over 77k.

The only thing it really fails in, IMO, is the timing of the bill. It factually mentions  when the law would go into place, factually mentions that you would have to take an additional training course. However, doesn't mention that it is unlikely, though to my knowledge it is still possible, that the course could be ready by football season. I could have my facts mixed up on that though. My understanding is that the course likely won't be approved until Jan 1 2018 meaning that while the bill goes into effect September 1, the only people who could lawfully carry would have to have taken a course that doesn't exist yet. However, to my knowledge, there is nothing saying the course couldn't be approved and offered sooner. So if that is correct, then it makes sense for the article to only post on facts and not speculation.

[hawgfan4life]

Common sense and gun legislation absolutely cannot be used together anymore.  Just because it is legal for my wife to wear her bikini to church on Sunday doesn't mean it would be appropriate or a good idea.  The posted speed limit is NOT always the best speed to drive.  Sometimes it makes sense to slow down considerably and use common sense so that everyone on the road remains safe.  Nobody is coming to take my guns from me without a fight and I will join the fight of others to protect the 2nd Amendment.  However, I be darned if I should, or I want anyone with a few hours of training to be able to carry pistols anywhere and everywhere they want in life.  Any moron can get a carry permit, but it doesn't mean they will have the God given ability to use good judgement when they need to if they lack that capacity.

[grayhawg]

Nothing said in that article isn't true. Well, except for the very first paragraph on attendance. First, it doesn't specify RRS as the stadium, so american football games can attract well over 100k people. Further, even at RRS, attendance is regularly well over 70k, with the record being over 77k.

The only thing it really fails in, IMO, is the timing of the bill. It factually mentions  when the law would go into place, factually mentions that you would have to take an additional training course. However, doesn't mention that it is unlikely, though to my knowledge it is still possible, that the course could be ready by football season. I could have my facts mixed up on that though. My understanding is that the course likely won't be approved until Jan 1 2018 meaning that while the bill goes into effect September 1, the only people who could lawfully carry would have to have taken a course that doesn't exist yet. However, to my knowledge, there is nothing saying the course couldn't be approved and offered sooner. So if that is correct, then it makes sense for the article to only post on facts and not speculation.

And the last sentence as well that says people can carry this fall, The State Police will not be ready to issue permits until next year if it happens.

    All for nothing the sports arenas and stadiums will be exempted IMO

[Justifiable Hogicide]

A lot of damage has been done and it will continue. CBB and staff have a difficult time attracting recruits as it is without this insanity which will be used against us.

True.
And the idiots in the Arkansas Senate and House of Shame are too stupid to see it.

[bennyl08]

And the last sentence as well that says people can carry this fall, The State Police will not be ready to issue permits until next year if it happens.

    All for nothing the sports arenas and stadiums will be exempted IMO

The police do not expect to be ready to issue permits until next year. Is there anything saying that they would not be allowed to issue permits even if they do get a course approved before then?

If not, then that is a true statement. Now, it is akin to having a story about Cole Kelley and saying he could lead the razorbacks to a championship this season. It is unlikely seeing as Austin is very much the starter and hasn't shown anything to suggest that he won't be this coming year. However, Kelley certain "can" win the starting job for the upcoming season. There is nothing making it impossible. Just not likely.