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[gohogs3218]

I just don't get you guys. We had a 10-4 record alright. We LOST the last three games. We beat only THREE teams with winning records and looked absolutely pathetic at the bowl game. I was at all three of the last games. OUR COACHING by HDN was PATHETIC. The Wisconsin fans at the bowl game said we were better on both sides of the ball-we were simply OUTCOACHED. That is per the other teams fans.

[Boardon Hamsay]

Why wait?

To give Stan a little dignity.  He's a really nice guy, just out of his league in the SEC.  This season is a wash anyway.

I agree, Stan at least deserves a little diginity.  Unfortunately, he is out of his league in the SEC but he does deserve to finish the season.  Looks like we'll be playing either UT again real soon or UGA....

Now excuse me while I get back under my desk and curl into the fetal position again...

[BartIV]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

[MrsPiggy]

Heath will be fired for on court performance.  Same standard other coaches in other programs are held to.  We just don't recognize that standard here in Arkansas because of Nutt being allowed to get by with everything - including back to back losing seasons.

As much as I want Nutt gone, I don't have a problem with Heath being fired first.  It shows at least there's still some level of expectation up there.

[3kgthog]

In all seriousness, in light of Houston Nutt's record in 2004 and 2005, if we fire Stan Heath we damn sure better replace him with an African-American coach.  Otherwise Stan will be able to establish a prima facie case of racial discrimination in employment.

They've got that covered by hiring Derrick Gragg as AD. See, it all fits together if you believe in conspiracy theories.

[Bomis Hawg]

Currently, at 2:41 ... no update.

[missippihog]

In all seriousness, in light of Houston Nutt's record in 2004 and 2005, if we fire Stan Heath we damn sure better replace him with an African-American coach.  Otherwise Stan will be able to establish a prima facie case of racial discrimination in employment.

I am so sick of this mentality. Take affirmative action and shove it. You hire the best person for the postion. Who gives a damn what color his skin is (besides Nolan)?

[RhodeHog]

In all seriousness, in light of Houston Nutt's record in 2004 and 2005, if we fire Stan Heath we damn sure better replace him with an African-American coach.  Otherwise Stan will be able to establish a prima facie case of racial discrimination in employment.

I am so sick of this mentality. Take affirmative action and shove it. You hire the best person for the postion. Who gives a damn what color his skin is (besides Nolan)?

Exactly.  For once I agree with you on something! 

Hire the best coach we can afford, period.

[OneLardAlmighty]

Difference between Nutt and Heath ? At least I feel we have a chance to win every football game. I hope to get where we expect to win every football and basketball game.

Difference between Nutt and Heath? 

Heath can't coach but he is, by all accounts, a good guy. 

Nutt just can't coach.

[jkstock04]

In all seriousness, in light of Houston Nutt's record in 2004 and 2005, if we fire Stan Heath we damn sure better replace him with an African-American coach.  Otherwise Stan will be able to establish a prima facie case of racial discrimination in employment.

Stan Heath would never go there.

[missippihog]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

A winning season is nowhere near the same or as hard to accomplish in basketball as it is in FB.

[RhodeHog]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

A winning season is nowhere near the same or as hard to accomplish in basketball as it is in FB.

I disagree.  Have you seen our football schedule for next year?

[WilsonHog]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

Are you proposing that Stan Heath has had a winning season every year?

Hell, we've had a losing SEC record in 4 of Heath's 5 years. 

[razorhead94]

I just don't get you guys. We had a 10-4 record alright. We LOST the last three games. We beat only THREE teams with winning records and looked absolutely pathetic at the bowl game. I was at all three of the last games. OUR COACHING by HDN was PATHETIC. The Wisconsin fans at the bowl game said we were better on both sides of the ball-we were simply OUTCOACHED. That is per the other teams fans.

I know the wisconisn game was bad!  We did outcoached there...not being able to move the ball was aweful.  With that said trying to beat LSU and florida was a little much for this team.  We are just outnumbered greatly with the amount of great players with those schools.  Even though we should have won those games (except for a few miscues by players), you can't blame houston for those two games, we were simply overmatched...thats why we ran nothing but trick plays against florida.  However, bowl game was aweful.

[phoggy]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

A winning season is nowhere near the same or as hard to accomplish in basketball as it is in FB.

BS

[BartIV]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

A winning season is nowhere near the same or as hard to accomplish in basketball as it is in FB.

All I am saying is they both have accomplished about the same - nothing. Difference is Nutt has been give more time to accomplish this.

[missippihog]

I just don't get you guys. We had a 10-4 record alright. We LOST the last three games. We beat only THREE teams with winning records and looked absolutely pathetic at the bowl game. I was at all three of the last games. OUR COACHING by HDN was PATHETIC. The Wisconsin fans at the bowl game said we were better on both sides of the ball-we were simply OUTCOACHED. That is per the other teams fans.

I know the wisconisn game was bad!  We did outcoached there...not being able to move the ball was aweful.  With that said trying to beat LSU and florida was a little much for this team.  We are just outnumbered greatly with the amount of great players with those schools.  Even though we should have won those games (except for a few miscues by players), you can't blame houston for those two games, we were simply overmatched...thats why we ran nothing but trick plays against florida.  However, bowl game was aweful.

You still have to expect to win these games. The coach gets the credit for wins and blame for losses. That is the way it is and way it should be.

[missippihog]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

A winning season is nowhere near the same or as hard to accomplish in basketball as it is in FB.

BS

Really. How many SEC teams will have a winning record in BB this year vs FB last year?

[Boardon Hamsay]

Any thoughts on this Bill Self rumor of being the guy those in power want to be the next BB coach?

[patgrl]

How can they fire Stan Heath and Not houston nutt.
Who is your source?

Quit saying this!!!!  Houston just had a 10-4 season and 7-1 in SEC...Stan is 5-9 in SEC enough said!

exactly... if Nutt goes 8-4, 7-5 next year, he will be gone too.

I can't see hi doing much better than that

[missippihog]

In all seriousness, in light of Houston Nutt's record in 2004 and 2005, if we fire Stan Heath we damn sure better replace him with an African-American coach.  Otherwise Stan will be able to establish a prima facie case of racial discrimination in employment.

I am so sick of this mentality. Take affirmative action and shove it. You hire the best person for the postion. Who gives a damn what color his skin is (besides Nolan)?

I can't believe I gave you a +1 for something 

Hitler was wrong too. Can I get another +1?

[BartIV]

What has Houston Nutt won?
What has Stan Heath won?

[WilsonHog]

This threat of a lawsuit theme is pure unrealistic BS.

Look, if I am a university president I don't care how good a coach you are...if you have EVER sued a former employer I will not hire you, period.

Why? Because when I hire a coach I want to be able to fire them whenever and for whatever I choose.

I'm not taking on the baggage of a coach who has an attorney on retainer.

[HoustonwehaveaProblem]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

Stan has NOT had winning seasons every year.

[Hogsfoot]

 Houston could have coached this team to 20 wins.

[missippihog]

What has Houston Nutt won?
What has Stan Heath won?

Nothing. Nutt's record just better this year.

[Boardon Hamsay]

Houston could have coached this team to 20 wins.

Not sure about all that, but we would have been dead last in the SEC in assists.

[missippihog]

In FB we went to the Capital One Bowl which is the best bowl outside the BCS, this means the 5th best bowl right? That would be equal to at least the sweet 16 round in BB. We don't even have a "real" chance to make it to the tourney now.

[BartIV]

Stan Heath had two losing seasons in his first, so Heath and Nutt have 2 losing seasons, my fault. Fire both then, same time.

[pork-e-pine]

I thought this was a thread about heath.
What is y'all's fixation with nutt about?

[phoggy]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

A winning season is nowhere near the same or as hard to accomplish in basketball as it is in FB.

BS

Really. How many SEC teams will have a winning record in BB this year vs FB last year?

When does the BB season end? I'll know the answer to your question that afternoon.

[missippihog]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

A winning season is nowhere near the same or as hard to accomplish in basketball as it is in FB.

BS

Really. How many SEC teams will have a winning record in BB this year vs FB last year?

When does the BB season end? I'll know the answer to your question that afternoon.

Make a guesstimate. Not hard to figure out.

[bphi11ips]

In all seriousness, in light of Houston Nutt's record in 2004 and 2005, if we fire Stan Heath we damn sure better replace him with an African-American coach.  Otherwise Stan will be able to establish a prima facie case of racial discrimination in employment.

I am so sick of this mentality. Take affirmative action and shove it. You hire the best person for the postion. Who gives a damn what color his skin is (besides Nolan)?

This is not a mentality.  It's a statement by an attorney with 15 years of experience defending Title VII claims.  We can fire him but he will have a colorable claim.  That is all.

[BartIV]

In FB we went to the Capital One Bowl which is the best bowl outside the BCS, this means the 5th best bowl right? That would be equal to at least the sweet 16 round in BB. We don't even have a "real" chance to make it to the tourney now.

So that means Houston Nutt didn't win even the best-none BCS game of the year. what an accomplishment.

[razorhead94]

What has Houston Nutt won?
What has Stan Heath won?

Houston-  SEC coach of the year
           -  2 time SEC west champion
           - Cotton Bowl win
           - Independence bowl win
           
Stan - 1 NCAA tournament appearance (0-1)
        - no SEC west titles
        - no coach of the year honors

With all that said Houston should have more bowl wins and SEC champsionship....but Stan has NOTHING

[jkstock04]

There is a double standard at the University.  In my mind this is plain as day.  Yes, Heath needs to go due to his short comings.  BUT....Stan Heath is gonna have to answer and pay for his mistakes....Houston Nutt doesn't have to answer for anything. 

Since Heath isn't from around here, and since he isn't a part of the "good ole boy" network...he's gonna get the axe.  I guarantee you if Dickey Nutt was our basketball coach (I think it would be overly hilarious if we looked at hiring him....if Frank still had the power it wouldn't surprise me) and under the same circumstances that Heath is currently under....he wouldn't get fired.

[BartIV]

I thought this was a thread about heath.
What is y'all's fixation with nutt about?

Why should Stan be fired and not Nutt?

[pork-e-pine]

I thought this was a thread about heath.
What is y'all's fixation with nutt about?

Why should Stan be fired and not Nutt?

That is a good question.  For another thread.

[missippihog]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

A winning season is nowhere near the same or as hard to accomplish in basketball as it is in FB.

BS

Really. How many SEC teams will have a winning record in BB this year vs FB last year?

When does the BB season end? I'll know the answer to your question that afternoon.

Let me help you. 5 teams finished FB with >500 record last year. South Carolina is the only team with a 500 record in BB right now the rest are >500.

[Brand X Hog Fan]

Why wait?

To give Stan a little dignity.  He's a really nice guy, just out of his league in the SEC.  This season is a wash anyway.

And what if he wins the SEC Tourney? What if goes to the NCAA and wins two more? It is an interesting predicament. Do we fire now or later?

[The Pig Lebowski]

What has Houston Nutt won?
What has Stan Heath won?

Houston-  SEC coach of the year
           -  2 time SEC west champion
           - Cotton Bowl win
           - Independence bowl win
           
Stan - 1 NCAA tournament appearance (0-1)
        - no SEC west titles
        - no coach of the year honors

With all that said Houston should have more bowl wins and SEC champsionship....but Stan has NOTHING

You forgot to list all of the embarrassing minor bowl losses and losing the last 3 games 7 of the last 9 years; and you forgot to list the steady improvement by Stan until this year. 

[Boardon Hamsay]

What has Houston Nutt won?
What has Stan Heath won?


Houston-  SEC coach of the year
           -  2 time SEC west champion
           - Cotton Bowl win
           - Independence bowl win
           
Stan - 1 NCAA tournament appearance (0-1)
        - no SEC west titles
        - no coach of the year honors

With all that said Houston should have more bowl wins and SEC champsionship....but Stan has NOTHING

In short, both coaches have plateau-ed and it's time to see if we can get coaches that can take us to the next level.....like consistent trips to bowls/NCAA tournaments AND then winning.

[missippihog]

In FB we went to the Capital One Bowl which is the best bowl outside the BCS, this means the 5th best bowl right? That would be equal to at least the sweet 16 round in BB. We don't even have a "real" chance to make it to the tourney now.

So that means Houston Nutt didn't win even the best-none BCS game of the year. what an accomplishment.

And Stan can't even get close to getting a chance to play in the game. Much worse accomplishment.

[BartIV]

What has Houston Nutt won?
What has Stan Heath won?

Houston-  SEC coach of the year
           -  2 time SEC west champion
           - Cotton Bowl win
           - Independence bowl win
           
Stan - 1 NCAA tournament appearance (0-1)
        - no SEC west titles
        - no coach of the year honors

With all that said Houston should have more bowl wins and SEC champsionship....but Stan has NOTHING

Woooowwww. a cotton bowl win and a INDEPENDENCE BOWL WIN!!!! Now, how many BCS wins and Championships? This should be good.

[missippihog]

What has Houston Nutt won?
What has Stan Heath won?

Houston-  SEC coach of the year
           -  2 time SEC west champion
           - Cotton Bowl win
           - Independence bowl win
           
Stan - 1 NCAA tournament appearance (0-1)
        - no SEC west titles
        - no coach of the year honors

With all that said Houston should have more bowl wins and SEC champsionship....but Stan has NOTHING

Woooowwww. a cotton bowl win and a INDEPENDENCE BOWL WIN!!!! Now, how many BCS wins and Championships? This should be good.

WHAT HAS STAN DONE? This was a thread about Stan.

[RhodeHog]

Why wait?

To give Stan a little dignity.  He's a really nice guy, just out of his league in the SEC.  This season is a wash anyway.

And what if he wins the SEC Tourney? What if goes to the NCAA and wins two more? It is an interesting predicament. Do we fire now or later?

I don't think we'll win the SEC tourney, especially if he's been told he is gone after the season.  But if we do win the tourney, it would be an interesting predicament.

[br549]

Why wait?

I agree. He should be fired tonight and maybe the assistant coach can get these players motivated for the tournament.

[phoggy]

Fire Stan and Nutt at same time, then there is no controversy. If they fire Stan and Not Nutt, say what you want, it will be a nolan Richardson trial all over again, as it should.

No, it won't. There is a simple equation here.

Lawsuit = End of coaching career. 

Heath is not going to sue the university. There is no case.  He has no hardware and there is no specific example that he was racially discriminated.  Besides Heath can't even chew out a ref, how is this guy going to sue a major university?

Firing a black man who has had winning seasons every year.
Keeping a white man who has had losing seasons and has nothing but a 10-4 season to stand on.

A winning season is nowhere near the same or as hard to accomplish in basketball as it is in FB.

BS

Really. How many SEC teams will have a winning record in BB this year vs FB last year?

When does the BB season end? I'll know the answer to your question that afternoon.

Make a guesstimate. Not hard to figure out.

then why are you askin'?

3 SEC wins and take care of directional schools=FB winning season. 1/3 SEC wins and take care of directional schools=BB winning season.

[jkstock04]

In FB we went to the Capital One Bowl which is the best bowl outside the BCS, this means the 5th best bowl right? That would be equal to at least the sweet 16 round in BB. We don't even have a "real" chance to make it to the tourney now.

Like I said earlier....4-7 and 5-6....I guess you were content with this?  Why should he have got to keep his job through that?

[BartIV]

What has Houston Nutt won?
What has Stan Heath won?

Houston-  SEC coach of the year
           -  2 time SEC west champion
           - Cotton Bowl win
           - Independence bowl win
           
Stan - 1 NCAA tournament appearance (0-1)
        - no SEC west titles
        - no coach of the year honors

With all that said Houston should have more bowl wins and SEC champsionship....but Stan has NOTHING

Woooowwww. a cotton bowl win and a INDEPENDENCE BOWL WIN!!!! Now, how many BCS wins and Championships? This should be good.

WHAT HAS STAN DONE? This was a thread about Stan.

You can't fire Stan and not fire Nutt.