Reed vs Hill

[TheRazorback500]

I don't know who was the #1 WR on their board, only the coaching staff can answer that. Bielema said it in his PC, but he could have been lying through his teeth.

EK Franks backed it up on the radio this afternoon. He said that Reed was a field-stretcher and had soft hands and great hand-eye coordination.

:razorback:

[ChiTown27]

KJ Who? Never heard of her.

Zactly!

[hogcard1964]

In terms of character, I'll take a genuine person over an apparent drama queen/flake any day of the week.  In terms of on-the-field production, I guess we'll find out soon.  I like our chances.

Well said.

[kp72204]

In terms of character, I'll take a genuine person over an apparent drama queen/flake any day of the week.  In terms of on-the-field production, I guess we'll find out soon.  I like our chances.

In all fairness(not to make an apology), did we cover Reed out of high school or has he been humbled by going JUCO route? Whose to say the "receiver we shouldn't even be talking about anymore" wouldn't have been had things went a different way. Lets just think positive for awhile and see where that takes us!

[Seminole Indian]

Did we get a better player in Reed vs what Hill is?

Yes!! If you get him.

Your class compared to any FBS Class outside in the SEC West.......outstanding.

SEC West .............not that bad.

Just keep a soft OC schedule , and beat the SEC East teams on your  schedule and you should be OK for a winning season overall and  a 500 SEC record, and a bowl game.

[MemphisBossHog]

I don't know who was the #1 WR on their board, only the coaching staff can answer that. Bielema said it in his PC, but he could have been lying through his teeth.

Agreed,

what else would BB say?  I doubt BB would get up there and say, "Man, we are happy to have Dominique Reed as a part of our team.  He was our #2 target at the WR position.  We lost our #1 to another program."   

BB did what all coaches do. He expressed how happy he is with the players that he got.  And that is no different that what any other coach does at the end of signing day. 

[Nuttcracker, Sweet!]

It would have been nice to get BOTH, but since we only got one, I'll take the one who wants to be a Hog.

I haven't a clue whether Reed will make his JC grades, but that will be a determining factor.

And let's not pretend Hill is "slowish". 4.4 may not be world class, but there are PLENTY of NFL wideouts who couldn't/can't run 4.4 including some guy named Rice. Didn't see him get caught from behind often.

Hill won't likely reach Jerry Rice status, but how many have?

Having said that, again, I would love to have had both, but that ship has sailed, better to talk about the ones we got.

I won't be rooting for Hill going to the conference that can't count, playing for a lying phony, but don't wish him any harm either...

I wonder what all those self-righteous Little 10 fans who whine about SEC oversigning are saying about Suburban Liar and his 27 signees?

[snoblind]

I'm not going to nitpick but the sour grapes stuff kinda irks me.

It's over though, we got a good one, you're right. I'm just not into the shots being taken left and right with absolutely ZERO evidence to back it up.

You're the one calling the coach a liar with ZERO evidence to back it up.

[Pigstie]

I'm not sure it really matters. One of the reasons Hill flipped was JC leaving, which placed question marks with our offense.  If you believe Mike Irwin...and I have no reason not to, he has been told  that "Bielema wants a running game so dominant that when they throw the ball they won't need somebody with an NFL arm or 4.3 receivers that can burn a secondary."  I hope I'm wrong but if our offensive playbook shifts even more to the run in the future, we may find ourselves limited with the 4 star QBs' and WRs'.

[Pudgepork]

Coach BB had that type of running game at Wisconsin but from the games I watched, they still threw the ball quite  a bit. 

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I dig the coach and the class but buying that Reed was #1 all along? Not going to happen with me, believe what you want, I just don't follow coaches into burning buildings etc, no matter how well they've done.

Would you rather have a kid that really wants to be here and believes this is the best place for him or have a kid of equal/less/better talent that isn't sure that this is the best place for him or not?

Forget about being an "Arkansas kid" and loyalty to the state brand and all that stuff. That isn't my point at all. I want the very best talent that we can land that truly wants to be here because he is invested from day one and believes this is where he should be (despite outside pressure and influence) to not only develop his talents at his position, but because he "feels at home" when he is here, whether he is from Arkansas, Florida, Denmark, Texas or California.

I think we landed who is best for us going forward.

[NorCalRazorback]

Here is the POV from a dude that played QB:

- IF I have 2 receivers in the Z, and one is 6'4", I know that I can take more risks with him than one that is 6'2".  I also know that he is easier for me to find and usually a matchup problem for a DB.  I also know that I can count on him to win any jump ball against a safety or corner.

-IF I have 2 receivers that have 4.35 sprees and 4.45 speed, I know that I can throw longer routes and they can run under the ball.  Now with that speed and that that 6'4" frame, and with  a 40" vertical leap... I take a whole lot more chances with him.

Finally the advantage of a guy that has the stats Reed has, and two years of Juco experience is that he isn't going up against any weakness like you face in High School...so he has picked up some CRITICAL experience.

I would rather have REED any day.

[Dirty]

Brian Wallace
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Brian-Wallace-143794

Funny, no response to your response

[ArmyOfnobunaga]

I hate people in general more than any of you, I am a mean ass cynical person, I am a guy that doesn't give a frack if 3000000 of you down vote me this instant .... but ... but...  I think that CBB is being honest that Reed was number one since about a month ago.

I actually believe him.

[reddogjcss]

As much contact as coaches have with recruits Coach B and staff had to know getting KJ was 50/50 at best. They are very good judges of  charatter and they always develop a relationship with parents. Even call parents by name. I'm sure they knew way way more about situation than we did.
I'm also sure they would want Reed as #1 if he could get grades straight. Reason is we need a break away wide receiver that can play right now.
I figure it was not long into recruiting they had KJ family figured out.
Figured if we can get two lets do it and you got to give it your very best effort to get all in state players that are good enough to play for Razorbacks. If not the supporting fan base would go nuts.

[Pigstie]

Coach BB had that type of running game at Wisconsin but from the games I watched, they still threw the ball quite  a bit.

I guess it depends on how you define "threw the ball quite a bit".  JC left for the same job at Pitt.  He did that for a few reasons. He wanted to pass more than CBB, being one of them. My point in this thread is that it really isn't going to matter if we don't get the 4 star WR. We are not going to run the type of offense that maximizes them.

[reddogjcss]

One really good one will open up run game and WR will get plenty of touches.

[razorbackkid]

Reed is the man because he chose to be a Hog, that other fellow may be great too, but he ain't wearing the jersey that says ARKANSAS.

I have many high hopes for Reed....not so much for the non Hog.

We'll have to wait and see what happens. 

[reddogjcss]

Reed will be UNCOMMON.
That other fellow just common

[MuskogeeHogFan]

I hate people in general more than any of you, I am a mean ass cynical person, I am a guy that doesn't give a frack if 3000000 of you down vote me this instant .... but ... but...  I think that CBB is being honest that Reed was number one since about a month ago.

I actually believe him.

I do believe that you believe Bielema, but TMI. I mean, true confessions? Not needed.

[SPAL]

If they did that, they're crazy.

Pork rind jimmy is known for this type of behavior. I'll bet he hid in some bushes and blitzed Nutt....er, KJ after he left the broyles....er, gym.

[ArmyOfnobunaga]

I do believe that you believe Bielema, but TMI. I mean, true confessions? Not needed.

its was a validation that the worst you (the rational logical) is actually optimistic.

Take it how you want it.... years past i was the most negative of negative.

[Mick Hogger]

If anyone walked onto a high school campus and didn't have an official reason to be there, they'd probably be arrested I'd think.

It was also nice to stick it to Texas one more time to get Reed.

[Großer Kriegschwein]

Yes!! If you get him.

Your class compared to any FBS Class out in the SEC West.......outstanding.

SEC West .............not that bad.

Just keep a soft OC schedule , and beat the SEC East teams on your  schedule and you should be OK for a winning season overall and  a 500 SEC record, and a bowl game.

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[MuskogeeHogFan]

If anyone walked onto a high school campus and didn't have an official reason to be there, they'd probably be arrested I'd think.

It was also nice to stick it to Texas one more time to get Reed.

I think that Reed will be a very productive receiver for us. Opponents wil not be able to ignore this guy. I am hoping that Enos will maximize his ability, heighth and speed to mesh with our overall philosophy. Utilizing him should allow us to take some pressure and concentrated coverage off of Hatcher and provide Hatcher and Reed with more opportunities to be open, as well as that of our other receivers.

The addition of Reed, if he plays as adverstised, could help open up our entire offense to a greater degree. We need 10-14 more points per game, assuming that our defense doesn't lose any ground from last year.

[Cave City Joe]

What we need is speed at the edge.  Reed fills the bill and wants to be a hog.  Just hope he qualifies or we missed on both.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

What we need is speed at the edge.  Reed fills the bill and wants to be a hog.  Just hope he qualifies or we missed on both.

The Hog staff has done their part, it is up to Reed to do his part now to make sure he is here in June.

[Piggfoot]

Both look to be great receivers. Reed had two years to show the pros if he has it.
Hill may think he is good enough to go pro in 2-3 years. Football teams are year to year. If we get good play from Reed we'll just have to find a replacement sooner than with Hill or maybe not. Think Philon.

[Sir Oinksalot]

I was a hill fanboy, I'll admit it...but now with these beasts and this kid Reed......

I'm a whole person again...the new OC, He's got to be on cloud 9 as Rob must be as well...

I'm so happy for these coaches, getting what they need...

[HogWildBison2011]

We shouldn't have to say the word hill unless it is in reference to "Our Hill in NWA" or as a geographical marker. Just the same as we don't ever care for two nickels, or Braizer. Those are no longer in the Arkansan dictionary. No ill will to them but lets enjoy these young men that want to be hogs. Good night everyone! 

[arlhog]

I hate losing our instate talent as much as anyone, but it sure seems like the coaching staff put more into getting hill than it did reed so i would say the staff thought more of hill.   That being said,  we got Reed and he  was coveted by a lot of good schools so he's not just some scraps.   I'm happy we got him.  There is a reason that bama and tosu didn't go after reed  but did what it took to get hill.  The best people in the business wanted Hill more than Reed.  Plain and simple.

[duckman]

I hate losing our instate talent as much as anyone, but it sure seems like the coaching staff put more into getting hill than it did reed so i would say the staff thought more of hill.   That being said,  we got Reed and he  was coveted by a lot of good schools so he's not just some scraps.   I'm happy we got him.  There is a reason that bama and tosu didn't go after reed  but did what it took to get hill.  The best people in the business wanted Hill more than Reed.  Plain and simple.

4 years versus 2, Bama and OSU don't need immediate JUCO help at WR.  We did, so did Texas.

[passinghog]

To me, it's not a Hill vs Reed thing. Looking at our WR class, each one of our guys compliment each other perfectly. Each of them seem to have an elite trait about them. Can you say the same about Hill? I can't.

[Wild Bill Hog]

Hill is eligible.  Reed isn't - yet anyway.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

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