Kirkland Undrafted- Didn't see that coming

[Pig in the Pokey]

Anderson is great at teaching because he's the current coach.  When he leaves, he'll be trash like Pittman.

Pittman was never praised as good at teaching technique. SOME of us bitched about him before he left.

[PorkSoda]

Anderson is great at teaching because he's the current coach.  When he leaves, he'll be trash like Pittman.

regardless of hogville trends.

Anderson is from the NFL, so he should have a good idea of what the NFL is looking for and what techniques the NFL teaches.

[mhsbc59]

How do you know this?

Being in football for over 15 years

[rzrbackramsfan]

Being in football for over 15 years

And everyone else lashed out at me saying "everyone knows that" you had said more than just what he was doing is frowned upon, you actually appeared to give a detailed explanation as to why what they were doing was bad, which surprised me a little. 

[mhsbc59]

And everyone else lashed out at me saying "everyone knows that" you had said more than just what he was doing is frowned upon, you actually appeared to give a detailed explanation as to why what they were doing was bad, which surprised me a little. 

Don't dought the old OL in me I only took over 10,000 hits to the head in the days before they cared about concussions lol.  Glad im still able suprise some folks though

[rzrbackramsfan]

Because that's what it means?

He bends at the waist instead of flexing his hips and dropping his butt.  And he ducks his head instead of keeping his eyes up.

Watch some film, it's easy to see.

Acts like he knows everything and makes fun of those who questions vs

it means he doesn't use his legs well and bends his waist to get low instead of his knees which is why he would get beat by good pass rushers.  and ducking his head means he over extends and gets off balance

Someone who actually knows the difference.  This goes to you pigs in the pokey as well, the explanation by mhsbc59, despite the fragmented sentences, was the most insightful.

[bphi11ips]

Don't dought the old OL in me I only took over 10,000 hits to the head in the days before they cared about concussions lol.  Glad im still able suprise some folks though

Some of us played before concussions were invented.

[RME]

80% of the underclassmen that declared were drafted, so certainly not a blanket rule.

Not sure where you got 80% from.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000658830/article/2016-nfl-draft-30-of-96-earlyentry-prospects-go-undrafted

CHICAGO -- There was a small increase from the previous year in the number of underclassmen who were granted early eligibility into the NFL draft, and a small increase in the percentage of underclassmen who went unpicked followed.

Ninety-six underclassmen were available in the 2016 NFL Draft -- 12 more than the previous year.

Thirty of those players (31 percent) went unpicked, up from 29 percent a year ago.

[clutch]

Anderson is great at teaching because he's the current coach.  When he leaves, he'll be trash like Pittman.

Funny how that works isn't it? 6 months ago Pittman was the greatest OL coach in the nation on this board.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Acts like he knows everything and makes fun of those who questions vs

Someone who actually knows the difference.  This goes to you pigs in the pokey as well, the explanation by mhsbc59, despite the fragmented sentences, was the most insightful.

Thank you, sir. I have my moments (both good and bad) lol

[Pig in the Pokey]

Some of us played before concussions were invented.

personally i've had over a dozen, but who is counting?

[Pig in the Pokey]

Funny how that works isn't it? 6 months ago Pittman was the greatest OL coach in the nation on this board.

Mostly people thought he was cool and recruited well. most werent praising his technique.

[LMS]

I, personally, feel like part of Kirkland's choice had to do with hurt feelings over the Pittman departure.  I could be way off base, but not even talking to CBB about it leads me to believe there may have been some hard feelings about the way it all went down.

This was my thinking as well. I heard he was pissed at Coach B about the whole Pittman situation right after classes left out. As soon as he declared without even listening to him before he hired an agent and put out that statement made me feel like SOMETHING went down. We all know based on his history here and at Wiscy that if he feels a player is ready to go, he will urge them to and not try to bring them back for selfish reasons. I don't think what grade Alex got back or what Coach B said to him, but it sure seems that, based on how long he took to declare after that meeting, he either got a grade that wasn't favorable, or he got a grade that was so-so/okay but he struggled with leaving Fay and the Hogs. Not one person can say that he didn't love his time at UofA. I don't know what DK was thinking; whether his family really did need any kind of larger income, whether he just wanted to leave, or what. I think JWill and Alex really made the best decision. JWill couldn't afford another injury or he'd be labeled injury prone, which is the worst thing for a RB. Childs isn't a RB, but nobody wants to give him another shot because of his knees/legs. I think Alex showed what he could do this year, and another year of him sharing the ball wasn't going to make a difference. Obviously HH made the best decision, and anybody who says otherwise is being a selfish fan. I think DK could have used a year with a former NFL line coach who is really hands on, but we'll never know now. We won't know about him for a little while. Same for JWill and AC. But as a fan of the Hogs, I'm grateful that they all chose to come here and for what they did here, and I hope they all have a long career in the NFL and we can all proudly cheer them on 😁

(sorry so long, haha)

[Captain Morgan]

Really???

Just because a guy plays LT in college has nothing to do with an NFL scout's ability to look at a player and say "we can use that guy as a guard".
Plenty of guys change positions in the NFL.

Kirkland may end up doing just fine in the NFL.  He went to a team that doesn't seem to have a lot of need there, but who knows.  Work hard and the cream will rise.

You don't go into a recruits home and tell mom and dad "I'm going to get your son drafted" and then out of your own self interest Pittman moves him from RG to LT.

Boom, DK goes undrafted thanks to the traitor Pittman. This tactic that Pittman pulled could be used against him in recruiting if CBB and company use it properly. 

[Inhogswetrust]

You don't go into a recruits home and tell mom and dad "I'm going to get your son drafted" and then out of your own self interest Pittman moves him from RG to LT.

Boom, DK goes undrafted thanks to the traitor Pittman. This tactic that Pittman pulled could be used against him in recruiting if CBB and company use it properly. 

And then Pittman comes into the home the next day recruiting and says "It wasn't my idea...............it was my boss and that's one reason why I left".

[PorkRinds]

You don't go into a recruits home and tell mom and dad "I'm going to get your son drafted" and then out of your own self interest Pittman moves him from RG to LT.

Boom, DK goes undrafted thanks to the traitor Pittman. This tactic that Pittman pulled could be used against him in recruiting if CBB and company use it properly.

That move had zero to do with his not getting drafted.  So there's that.

[Grizzlyfan]

That move had zero to do with his not getting drafted.  So there's that.

yeah, the draft reports were pretty specific about what his shortcomings were.  They were mechanical, not ability to play the position.

[Pig in the Pokey]

yeah, the draft reports were pretty specific about what his shortcomings were.  They were mechanical, not ability to play the position.

which means PITTMAN'S coaching was the problem, not DK's talent.

[PorkRinds]

which means PITTMAN'S coaching was the problem, not DK's talent.

You can bet that CSP was coaching him not to have those bad habits.  It's basic OL technique, and Pittman was a good OL coach.  DK's talent was indeed the problem.

[Pig in the Pokey]

You can bet that CSP was coaching him not to have those bad habits.  It's basic OL technique, and Pittman was a good OL coach.  DK's talent was indeed the problem.

I bet Anderson would have cleaned it up. Sam was lazy at times, man. I agree that we'll never know but let me see the same things said about a couple georgia OLs in a couple years and then we'll have an answer.

[Wildhog]

Anderson is great at teaching because he's the current coach.  When he leaves, he'll be trash like Pittman.

Gets it.

[RME]

You can bet that CSP was coaching him not to have those bad habits.  It's basic OL technique, and Pittman was a good OL coach.  DK's talent was indeed the problem.

I agree here. To think that it was solely "Pittman's lack of coaching" is almost to think that an NFL coach couldn't coach and teach Kirkland. And that's almost laughable.

And don't give me the "Well, NFL teams and coaches want players to already have those skills/techniques down." If the NFL thinks that guy has enough talent to contribute to a team, I don't think they'd mind doing a little bit of coaching and teaching.

[hei5manhog]

I bet Anderson would have cleaned it up. Sam was lazy at times, man. I agree that we'll never know but let me see the same things said about a couple georgia OLs in a couple years and then we'll have an answer.

I think we are better off now simply because a new coach will be dedicated to be here. We didn't get great line play this past year until the middle-end of the season. I suspect we will be more focused this season. 

[Youngsta71701]

Yes, he should have. Might still have left but I'd feel better about it. Anyway, good luck to him, hope his decision works out.

Hopefully Moses Kingsley will take notes from this. :razorback:

[Justagp]

https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/726542387120496640

Thank you Rice Pig, those stats are both enlightening and heartbreaking. Many of these kids are from under privileged families and think by leaving college early to go pro they are actually helping their families, but do not understand the ultimate power of an education.

My heart breaks for Denver and the other 1/3 with dreams of being drafted in the NFL. I don't know what the answer is to this problem, but I do hope in the near future the NCAA will recognize these kids and permit them to go back to school to complete their degree if they are not drafted.

[hoglady]

Thank you Rice Pig, those stats are both enlightening and heartbreaking. Many of these kids are from under privileged families and think by leaving college early to go pro they are actually helping their families, but do not understand the ultimate power of an education.

My heart breaks for Denver and the other 1/3 with dreams of being drafted in the NFL. I don't know what the answer is to this problem, but I do hope in the near future the NCAA will recognize these kids and permit them to go back to school to complete their degree if they are not drafted.

No kidding.
Especially considering the millions and millions of dollars the schools and NCAA are making on the backs of these kids.
Changes are needed that benefit the athlete and give them options.

[Inhogswetrust]

No kidding.
Especially considering the millions and millions of dollars the schools and NCAA are making on the backs of these kids.
Changes are needed that benefit the athlete and give them options.

Options? They do have options and they used one. Option #1 is to stay in school, get a degree and MAYBE get drafted later or not. They chose option #2 to leave, not get a degree while on scholarship and not play in the pros or perhaps sign a free agent deal and maybe stick around and earn few bucks there or maybe go back to school and pay for it like all the other students do. They shouldn't complain about knowing the rules and then not getting drafted while abiding by the rules. Any and all options in life carry some risk that things won't turnout as planned just like both of those options do.

[PorkRinds]

I'm interested to see what Coach B says about this situation in his presser today.  I'm assuming he won't pull any punches.

[longpig]

Options? They do have options and they used one. Option #1 is to stay in school, get a degree and MAYBE get drafted later or not. They chose option #2 to leave, not get a degree while on scholarship and not play in the pros or perhaps sign a free agent deal and maybe e stick around and earn few bucks there or maybe go back to school and pay for it like all the other students do. They shouldn't complain about knowing the rules and then not getting drafted while abiding by the rules. Any and all options in life carry some risk that things won't turnout as planned just like both of those options do.

Exactly, there are worse things in life than having a year of college left undone in your mid/late twenties.

[Inhogswetrust]

Exactly, there are worse things in life than having a year of college left undone in your mid/late twenties.

A lot of college students leave school before graduating and then go back and finish later. I should know. That's exactly what I did.

[jkstock04]

Pittman was never praised as good at teaching technique. SOME of us bitched about him before he left.

It was sort of like the elephant in the room type of deal. Most people knew but didn't really wanna talk about it.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

A lot of college students leave school before graduating and then go back and finish later. I should know. That's exactly what I did.

I did as well. The problem is that after you leave school for some reason and things don't work out as planned, life happens. Other things have a tendency to get in the way that makes it more difficult to come back and have the time and money to finish out. And if you wait too long, enhanced degree requirements can occur that extend the hours needed to graduate. So bottom line, short of being a pretty certain Round 1-3 draft choice, it might be better to come back and get your degree.

[MuskogeeHog]

I did as well. The problem is that after you leave school for some reason and things don't work out as planned, life happens. Other things have a tendency to get in the way that makes it more difficult to come back and have the time and money to finish out. And if you wait too long, enhanced degree requirements can occur that extend the hours needed to graduate. So bottom line, short of being a pretty certain Round 1-3 draft choice, it might be better to come back and get your degree.

Unless the degree is in PE.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Perhaps it's better for him to learn behind a quality OL and be brought on slowly rather than go to a place he would have to play, possibly fail and get bounced from the league in a couple years?

because their are only 2 ol backups per team?

[Pig in the Pokey]

It was sort of like the elephant in the room type of deal. Most people knew but didn't really wanna talk about it.

totally agree. people had doubts but were afraid to speak of them.

[Pig in the Pokey]

I did as well. The problem is that after you leave school for some reason and things don't work out as planned, life happens. Other things have a tendency to get in the way that makes it more difficult to come back and have the time and money to finish out. And if you wait too long, enhanced degree requirements can occur that extend the hours needed to graduate. So bottom line, short of being a pretty certain Round 1-3 draft choice, it might be better to come back and get your degree.

true, but most of us didnt have the luxury of having 1 year left and a $0.00 student loan balance. That would be an easy fix.

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

I, personally, feel like part of Kirkland's choice had to do with hurt feelings over the Pittman departure.  I could be way off base, but not even talking to CBB about it leads me to believe there may have been some hard feelings about the way it all went down.

Agreed.
Didn't I read on here that DK was one of the OL involved when BB insisted Pittman tell the OL himself?
Wasn't there a "visit" to pittman's home later in the night even?

[Buck Ocean]

raiders released the name of 13 free agents and he aint one of them

[Pig in the Pokey]

raiders released the name of 13 free agents and he aint one of them

well, there it is then. What now Hogville-draft-guru's who said everybody had to leave early? What is the super sage advice now?

[longpig]

raiders released the name of 13 free agents and he aint one of them

sad situation

[B501]

raiders released the name of 13 free agents and he aint one of them

http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Oakland-Raiders-Announce-Undrafted-Free-Agent-Signings/f7f144c2-d51a-43db-8394-eca9161c4cc7


looks like they went with a guard from iowa state

[Grizzlyfan]

You can bet that CSP was coaching him not to have those bad habits.  It's basic OL technique, and Pittman was a good OL coach.  DK's talent was indeed the problem.

It sounds like DK's natural ability/strength/"talent" were enough to overcome the mechanical shortcomings.  Maybe he never felt the need to fix mechanical problems when he was manhandling SEC defensive linemen?

[daprospecta]

Even with his shortcomings, he most certainly played well enough to get a UDFA contract.  He will be in a camp during preseason. 

[Buck Ocean]

Praise the Lord!  He made a late cut.  Or at least I think so.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2016/05/12/raiders-add-four-more-undrafted-free-agents/#more-27799