Still not making the tourney...ESPN

[ImMcLovin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology?id=3232345

I HOPE we prove him wrong but I seriously don't see us making the tournament AGAIN

[ruarealhogfan]

Kind of pointless at this time.  Even when they do these a month before the tourney they get a few wrong.  Anyway, if Mike Washington improves 1/2 as much as did last offseason & if Powell makes it to campus, i think our team will better than most think...

[Overtheroadtruckdriver]

We still have a left handed issue to contend with, as bad as I hate to open that can of worms up again...

[UltimateHog]

This is stupid.

Who cares right now really?

We could miss the tourny just like we could miss a bowl game.

Or we could win the West in both sports.

It's frickin JUNE.

[3kgthog]

All I know is BP's team showed me improvement and heart. Pelphrey's boys didn't do much but flame out and then lay down and die. I know which team I'm betting on to make the postseason and it isn't the cast of Boyz 'N the Hood over at BWA.

[rzrbackrob]

I'm looking forward to this basketball season. I can't imagine they will not at least make the NIT. This next year making the NCAA tournament will be tough, but if this team finds a leader anything is possible.

[ruarealhogfan]

All I know is BP's team showed me improvement and heart. Pelphrey's boys didn't do much but flame out and then lay down and die. I know which team I'm betting on to make the postseason and it isn't the cast of Boyz 'N the Hood over at BWA.

What neck of the woods you from?

[HawgAdvocate]

All I know is BP's team showed me improvement and heart. Pelphrey's boys didn't do much but flame out and then lay down and die. I know which team I'm betting on to make the postseason and it isn't the cast of Boyz 'N the Hood over at BWA.

BP's boys also played a lot fewer games with a lot more senior leadership on the sidelines (compared to JP's team).

That late-season South Carolina game didn't say much for our football team though. That was awful. The loss to Mississippi St. right after wasn't supposed to be either.

Things must be kept in persepctive. Every young team needs maturity and experience to get over the hump. Pel's team had next to none last year. He'll have much more this season. 

[ruarealhogfan]

BP's boys also played a lot fewer games with a lot more senior leadership on the sidelines (compared to JP's team).

That late-season South Carolina game didn't say much for our football team though. That was awful. The loss to Mississippi St. right after wasn't supposed to be either.

Things must be kept in persepctive. Every young team needs maturity and experience to get over the hump. Pel's team had next to none last year. He'll have much more this season.

Exactly, it's funny how things are remembered the way people want to remember them, instead of how they actually happened...

[PoormansRobbyHampton]

Exactly, it's funny how things are remembered the way people want to remember them, instead of how they actually happened...

I remember the football team winning as many conference games as the basketball team in far fewer games. That actually happened

[ruarealhogfan]

I remember the football team winning as many conference games as the basketball team in far fewer games. That actually happened

The football team struggled just as much as the bball team did.  That is the point.  Like it or not, we beat LSU on a miracle 4th down play on our home field to narrowly escape a 1-7 SEC record.  This was the same LSU squad who had been trounced the week before by Ole Piss in Baton Rouge.  Would like to see a little consistency from you guys is all.  BOTH coaches, the proven & the unproven, struggled with lineups that lacked veteran leadership & experience.  BOTH coaches brought in more talent & valuable depth & BOTH teams should be vastly improved in their upcoming seasons...

[The_Bionic_Pig]

This is a good read on Mr. Lunardi's tourney pick record: (click below photo)

[rzrbackrob]

I remember the basketball team had a better winning %.
Both teams just did not have the personnel and experience to win last year. We all knew it was coming, it was just tough to watch. This year will be better, but I'm not expecting any championships. If one or both teams win one, I'll enjoy it.

[Hot_Town_Hog]

Lunardi is pretty close the weekend brackets are announced,  but I bet not very close 9 months in advance.

Anyone actually watch this team have a lead against seemingly everyone, minus 2 games, only to run out of gas? The lack of bench was the killer.

With the whole team returninig, with at least one All-SEC player, and a couple of new comers that could really surprise some folks, how can you be writing this guys off?

Wait and see the level of play we will see from Wash this year. Not only is he playing for millions of $'s, he will have much more help inside with Powell. Get Courtney, Clarke, Henry, and Farmer in sync, and this will be a pretty good team that could make the NCAAT.

While I am excited about football, last year was one of the worst teams I have ever seen wear a Razorback unifirm at times. Remember that we should have lost to WIU and ULM? That is almost unheard of from a BCS school. We did show signs of improvements, and one a couple of big games, but that was not a fun season to endure by any means. 

I predict much better in both this year, with the BB team likely being ahead of the FB team. Both will be improved, and the FG schedule is brutal. We have a better chance to make the NCAAT than we do make a major bowl in FB. We are still one year away, or 3 years in total for football.

[ruarealhogfan]

Lunardi is pretty close the weekend brackets are announced,  but I bet not very close 9 months in advance.

Anyone actually watch this team have a lead against seemingly everyone, minus 2 games, only to run out of gas? The lack of bench was the killer.

With the whole team returninig, with at least one All-SEC player, and a couple of new comers that could really surprise some folks, how can you be writing this guys off?

Wait and see the level of play we will see from Wash this year. Not only is he playing for millions of $'s, he will have much more help inside with Powell. Get Courtney, Clarke, Henry, and Farmer in sync, and this will be a pretty good team that could make the NCAAT.

While I am excited about football, last year was one of the worst teams I have ever seen wear a Razorback unifirm at times. Remember that we should have lost to WIU and ULM? That is almost unheard of from a BCS school. We did show signs of improvements, and one a couple of big games, but that was not a fun season to endure by any means. 

I predict much better in both this year, with the BB team likely being ahead of the FB team. Both will be improved, and the FG schedule is brutal. We have a better chance to make the NCAAT than we do make a major bowl in FB. We are still one year away, or 3 years in total for football.

+1

[UltimateHog]

Washington is going to rise to another level this year.

Book it.

Those millions on the table will have him busting it like we've never seen.

That alone is enough to win the pathetic West.

I really think we have a GOOD shot at taking the West, not that that's saying a whole lot, but that will get us a tourny bid.

[ruarealhogfan]

Agreed, Wash will be a beast this season, I can see 20 & 10 easily within his grasp.  He has to stay out of foul trouble for this to happen.  Miss. St. should be good, though, with the return of Vanardo & if Sidney makes it through the clearing house, even better.  I hear Riek won't play until 2011, but we'll see...

[rogersvillemohog]

The one thing I have never gotten was... why does the NCAA pick teams like Cornell, Tulsa, Butler, ect unless they deserve it?  I know that Penn St, Baylor, or Florida could have made a run, had the NCAA let them into the tourney. The teams like Cornell didn't do a single thing. Thoughts? I will hang up and listen.     

[PoormansRobbyHampton]

The football team struggled just as much as the bball team did.  That is the point.  Like it or not, we beat LSU on a miracle 4th down play on our home field to narrowly escape a 1-7 SEC record.  This was the same LSU squad who had been trounced the week before by Ole Piss in Baton Rouge.  Would like to see a little consistency from you guys is all.  BOTH coaches, the proven & the unproven, struggled with lineups that lacked veteran leadership & experience.  BOTH coaches brought in more talent & valuable depth & BOTH teams should be vastly improved in their upcoming seasons...

What exactly is inconsistent in me saying that the football team won as many conference games as the basketball team? That's me stating facts. Is it, or is it not true that the basketball hogs played 17 conference games while football played 6? That's not inconsistency, that's freaking black and white, as plain as it gets!

Just to clear it up 17>6. That means 17 is more than 6, far more, actually.

And you answered your own question didn't you? We don't know what Pelphrey is capable of, we know what he did at South Alabama, one tournament appearance. We know what comes with a Bobby Petrino. When he has everything cooking you're going to be in the mix for a conference and potentially a national title.

Pelphrey? Who the heck knows? We're liable to make the tournament, but we're just as liable to post the worst Arkansas SEC record ever. You see what I'm saying?

Again, 17 is more than 6. If you win 2 out of 17 games, that's far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far (get the idea here?) worse than finishing 2-6.

Besides, in football we were one game away from a bowl game, which is a miracle considering the crap Nuttless left us. Pelphrey actually had some talent that Stan Heath was good enough to leave him in Welsh and Washington. And in basketball you don't need as many great players. Two can do it. Now, Welsh isn't that great, but Wash was and is our best player.

Also, in football we were one Mike Smith non-fumble at Kentucky and one no-call against Ole Miss from splitting our conference games, which again, would have been remarkable.

Now, this is the point where you'll probably point "Um, we could have lost to Western Illinois and La-Monroe". That might be true, but I've found in my time that noone cares if you could have won, just whether or not you did.

In the interests of being fair, lets consider the games we "could have" won in basketball. Tennessee, probably should have won, I'll admit as much. Can't count Miss. St. considering we scored like 6 points in the second half and couldn't get one stop. LSU at home was a possibility. Ole Miss and South Carolina were overtime losses.

There's 4 "possible" wins, that would have bumped our record to a dynamite 6-10.

That's a best-case scenario. That's an "if everything fell just right in the World, got every break, got every call and made every big shot". 6-10. You people glorify the guy for a best-case 6-10. Again, I'm just a little tougher to impress than that I suppose.

Also, don't compare Junior Pelphrey to a head coach that's been to the BCS please. Like ever. Let's make this a rule for this board. Let's never compare Pelphrey to coaches that have been to Final Fours or the BCS or the College World Series, can we adopt that rule? Can we all agree on this?

[HoopS]

We play 8 conference games in football, not 6.

Football is certainly in good hands and headed the right direction. 

We'll see how our hoops team progresses next season. 

[Kris P. Bacon]

Also, in football we were one Mike Smith non-fumble at Kentucky and one no-call against Ole Miss from splitting our conference games, which again, would have been remarkable.

Now, this is the point where you'll probably point "Um, we could have lost to Western Illinois and La-Monroe". That might be true, but I've found in my time that noone cares if you could have won, just whether or not you did.

Contradict yourself much?

[bigdaddyhawg]

Kind of pointless at this time.  Even when they do these a month before the tourney they get a few wrong.  Anyway, if Mike Washington improves 1/2 as much as did last offseason & if Powell makes it to campus, i think our team will better than most think...

This is stupid.

Who cares right now really?

We could miss the tourny just like we could miss a bowl game.

Or we could win the West in both sports.

It's frickin JUNE.

No, no.  We should just shut it down now.  Lock the doors at Walton, and save all that electricity and manpower expenses to have a BB program. We could probably save the University millions and also save the Foundation as well. 

It's a done deal, give it up.  Some talking head on the internet said it, so it is fact.

After the FB season this fall, we can just focus on baseball.  Go diamond Hogs!!

[PoormansRobbyHampton]

We play 8 conference games in football, not 6.

Football is certainly in good hands and headed the right direction. 

We'll see how our hoops team progresses next season.

Yeah, we do play 8, I don't know what I was thinking.

[PoormansRobbyHampton]

Contradict yourself much?

No, I don't. I talked about all close games, potential wins and losses. I also talked about potential wins in basketball, as I said at the time, just to be fair.

I like to explore all sides of an argument.

[ruarealhogfan]

Yeah, we do play 8, I don't know what I was thinking.

And my point was, if you can fo-fo-fo-fo-fo-fo-fo-llow it, is that 1-7 in football & 2-14 in basketball would not be any less pathetic & if it's ok for an established coach to struggle with an inexperienced team, then it should be understood that our bball coach struggled under similar circumstances.  I believe we underachieved with both teams, but not that much considering.  As I have said before both teams will be extremely improved & should have really good seasons coming up...

[PoormansRobbyHampton]

And my point was, if you can fo-fo-fo-fo-fo-fo-fo-llow it, is that 1-7 in football & 2-14 in basketball would not be any less pathetic & if it's ok for an established coach to struggle with an inexperienced team, then it should be understood that our bball coach struggled under similar circumstances.  I believe we underachieved with both teams, but not that much considering.  As I have said before both teams will be extremely improved & should have really good seasons coming up...

1-7 is somewhat comparable to 2-15, but we didn't go 1-7, we went 2-6. That's just like saying if we had closed out Kentucky, Ole Miss and Miss. St. we would have finished 5-3. Hypotheticals help noone, let's just focus on what happened in reality. In reality the football team won as many conference games as basketball

Again, the football team won 2 conference games.

The basketball team won 2 conference games.

Football played 8 total conference games.

Basketball played 17 total conference games.

This isn't hard. Also, with an inexperienced team, a coach can make all the difference. I feel like Bobby Petrino was able to swing both of our football wins to us. Basketball we can't say the same. We won two games in conference, beating Alabama the day after they fired their coach and beat a bad Georgia team. Neither of those teams played in any kind of postseason, LSU at least won a bowl game.

Again, both should be much improved this year. I think that football will be able to pull off 8 wins or so, which would be nice, setting up for a big run in 2010. Basketball I'm not sold on, in the least. Again, we should be better, but if we're not, what then? We don't have forever to give Pelphrey. He seems like a nice enough guy, but that don't cut it if you're posting records for futility in Arkansas history.

[hogman06]

Boy, I think we will be fine. Do ya'll not remember all the games that we were ahead in during the first half. We had NO depth, so our guys just ran out of gas. When we get depth, we will be able to finish games and protect that 15-20 point lead we have in the first half. I think it will be completely different when we have enough quality players that we can press for a good portion of the game and not get tired. That's what I saw last year, as well as dumb freshman mistakes. Other than that, we will be fine.