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woo_pig_al

Shot clock reduced from 35 to 30 seconds and timeouts reduced from 5 to 4 with only 3 transferrable to 2nd half.

Could be a big benefit for our style of play!

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-ncaa-30-second-shot-clock-rule-20150608-story.html

HF#1

Love the timeouts.  I hope they get to a point where they just give teams 3 per half, period.
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The_Bionic_Pig

I wish the "Kentucky Offensive  Flail" is eliminated where a player basically creates contact and throws the ball towards the rim while competing for a "Academy Award" acting.
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Danny J

Quote from: The_Bionic_Pig on June 08, 2015, 07:40:35 pm
I wish the "Kentucky Offensive  Flail" is eliminated where a player basically creates contact and throws the ball towards the rim while competing for a "Academy Award" acting.
Yep and as with all things college bball it has filtered down from the NBA. It is a terrible rule and needs to be changed.

Also....I am not sure the reduction in the shot clock helps us. I think it actually hurts us. I do like the timeouts being reduced. I wish they would eliminate all media timeouts within 1 minute of a actual timeout being called. Either that or reduce the media timeouts to 2 per half.

Did they change the 10 second backcourt rule preventing teams from calling timeouts and being awarded a new 10 seconds? That is another rule that would help us immensely.

Porked Tongue

Women are going to four 10 minute quarters. 

1-1 eliminated.

5th team foul of each quarter is 2 shots.

I'd like that change for the men as well.

Hogimus Prime

Quote from: The_Bionic_Pig on June 08, 2015, 07:40:35 pm
I wish the "Kentucky Offensive  Flail" is eliminated where a player basically creates contact and throws the ball towards the rim while competing for a "Academy Award" acting.

That and when the defender is back peddling and the offensive players drives into him.

Breems

Love it. Waaaaay too many timeouts even witch the rule change.
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choppedporkextrasauce

Quote from: The_Bionic_Pig on June 08, 2015, 07:40:35 pm
I wish the "Kentucky Offensive  Flail" is eliminated where a player basically creates contact and throws the ball towards the rim while competing for a "Academy Award" acting.

Totally agree. Should be an offensive foul

hogsanity

In the long run, the shot clock rule will hurt teams that are currently uptempo, as it will force everyone to play faster, and everyone will be more practiced in doing so.

Love the reduction of time outs.

Agree with above, offensive players initiating contact is a huge problem. Hate watching defender have both feet set, arms straight up, and the offensive players backs his way in, then goes up into the defense and a foul is called on the defender. But, the fans love offense, so the ptb will do whatever they can to try to increase scoring. Four pt shot anyone?
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ErieHog

As mentioned above, in the long term, things that unify the pace of play are bad for Arkansas.

The more that the systems allow for variation, the more ability to exploit inefficiencies comes into play.      The shot clock change will not be good for us, long term.
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azhog10

Quote from: ErieHog on June 09, 2015, 11:25:31 am
As mentioned above, in the long term, things that unify the pace of play are bad for Arkansas.

The more that the systems allow for variation, the more ability to exploit inefficiencies comes into play.      The shot clock change will not be good for us, long term.
Agree to disagree. Bo Ryan isn't going to change what he does, instead of looking to score at the 30-33 second mark, he will now look to score at the 25-27 mark. He will play the same way, defenses will just have to defend them dribbling around for 5 less seconds before they look to score. I disagree with the notion of teams getting better at playing a faster pace like we do, because we will try to push faster and they will continue to try to slow things down.

We always struggled against teams that slowed it down in the half court. Now the rules are changing to create a faster tempo to the game and we say that that's bad for us since all the other teams are going to have to speed things up?  :-\

hawginbigd1

The shot clock may help us going forward, if we become more like MA's former teams and become more of a volume offense. It may actually benefit our current roster more than our past few seasons.

hogsanity

Quote from: azhog10 on June 09, 2015, 12:58:53 pm
Agree to disagree. Bo Ryan isn't going to change what he does, instead of looking to score at the 30-33 second mark, he will now look to score at the 25-27 mark. He will play the same way, defenses will just have to defend them dribbling around for 5 less seconds before they look to score. I disagree with the notion of teams getting better at playing a faster pace like we do, because we will try to push faster and they will continue to try to slow things down.

We always struggled against teams that slowed it down in the half court. Now the rules are changing to create a faster tempo to the game and we say that that's bad for us since all the other teams are going to have to speed things up?  :-\

Uptempo, pressure teams thrive on making you do things you do not normally do. If the norm become having to play faster, then everyone will normally play faster.

Bo Ryan IS going to change what he does, if nothing more, his teams will have to take a shot 5 seconds sooner than they often do now. It will create a faster pace.  Short term, it does benefit teams already playing faster. Long term, it just homogenizes the game.
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WarPig88

Quote from: hogsanity on June 09, 2015, 01:39:43 pm
Uptempo, pressure teams thrive on making you do things you do not normally do. If the norm become having to play faster, then everyone will normally play faster.

Bo Ryan IS going to change what he does, if nothing more, his teams will have to take a shot 5 seconds sooner than they often do now. It will create a faster pace.  Short term, it does benefit teams already playing faster. Long term, it just homogenizes the game.

Not all NBA teams are high paced and they play with a shorter clock.

Pork Twain

Quote from: hogsanity on June 09, 2015, 01:39:43 pm
Uptempo, pressure teams thrive on making you do things you do not normally do. If the norm become having to play faster, then everyone will normally play faster.

Bo Ryan IS going to change what he does, if nothing more, his teams will have to take a shot 5 seconds sooner than they often do now. It will create a faster pace.  Short term, it does benefit teams already playing faster. Long term, it just homogenizes the game.
So you are saying the loophole that allows the hurry up football teams is something that the rest of the NCAA will adapt to and take advantage of?
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Kevin

Until they cut back on how many timeouts a team has and a new way to operate media time outs the pace is not going to speed up.

In the past there was a guaranteed 6 timeouts per halve. That is a stoppage of play just over every 3 minutes   

Not many want to watch that

My solution
Each team has 2 fulls & 2 30's timeouts for the game
If a time out is taken within a minute of media timeout, it takes the place of media to
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lefty08

Quote from: Kevin on June 09, 2015, 10:50:13 pm
Until they cut back on how many timeouts a team has and a new way to operate media time outs the pace is not going to speed up.

In the past there was a guaranteed 6 timeouts per halve. That is a stoppage of play just over every 3 minutes   

Not many want to watch that

My solution
Each team has 2 fulls & 2 30's timeouts for the game
If a time out is taken within a minute of media timeout, it takes the place of media to

Didn't your last "idea" already pass? I thought I had read it did. Any timeout within a minute of scheduled media TO is considered a media TO
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jry04

Quote from: Kevin on June 09, 2015, 10:50:13 pm
Until they cut back on how many timeouts a team has and a new way to operate media time outs the pace is not going to speed up.

In the past there was a guaranteed 6 timeouts per halve. That is a stoppage of play just over every 3 minutes   

Not many want to watch that

My solution
Each team has 2 fulls & 2 30's timeouts for the game
If a time out is taken within a minute of media timeout, it takes the place of media to

Are you just reading what the NCAA approved, and then posting it as your own idea? That was proposed probably 2 months ago, and approved this week.

Biggus Piggus

Quote from: hogsanity on June 09, 2015, 11:23:29 am
In the long run, the shot clock rule will hurt teams that are currently uptempo, as it will force everyone to play faster, and everyone will be more practiced in doing so.

Fallacy. Different ways to play within a 30-second shot clock. It won't force everybody to play up tempo. All it does is shorten some possessions. Most possessions aren't anywhere close to 30 seconds anyway. It will change the game by making slow-tempo opponents conscious of the shot clock sooner. It might eliminate the slow walk up court after an inbounds play or rebound.

For most slow-tempo teams, they can compensate for losing five seconds off the shot clock by moving more quickly across halfcourt after gaining possession. They'll still initiate their plays with about the same time left on the shot clock. Five seconds is crap. This was an incremental change that was a compromise because the traditionalists don't really want to change.
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Wisco Pig

Not convinced that the changes will help or hurt us either way.

I do like the new rule in which timeouts called within 30 seconds of a scheduled break automatically become the media timeout, and the new rule that gives teams a total of 10 seconds to get the ball past mid-court.   In other words, you can't spend eight of your allotted 10 seconds, then call timeout and get 10 more seconds.

As for Bo Ryan, he's a shoo-in for the basketball hall of fame.  A five-second change in the shot clock won't faze him.

hogsanity

Please understand, I like the rule changes. I just do not see that they are going to help the Hogs, or any other team, specifically.
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Kevin

Quote from: jry04 on June 10, 2015, 07:46:01 am
Are you just reading what the NCAA approved, and then posting it as your own idea? That was proposed probably 2 months ago, and approved this week.

did not see the change in media timeout. good for that

now lets cut back team timeouts for the game
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Biggus Piggus

The reduction in the number of timeouts in the second half will help Arkansas more than any other change.
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jry04

Quote from: Kevin on June 10, 2015, 10:55:27 am
did not see the change in media timeout. good for that

now lets cut back team timeouts for the game
They did..........

and the amount of timeouts that carry over from the first half to the 2nd.

 

lefty08

I want them to add a 3 point shot. Imagine how exciting THAT would be!


Sorry, couldn't resist
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Kevin

Quote from: lefty08 on June 10, 2015, 04:31:10 pm
I want them to add a 3 point shot. Imagine how exciting THAT would be!


Sorry, couldn't resist

good one.
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Pork Twain

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on June 10, 2015, 11:16:57 am
The reduction in the number of timeouts in the second half will help Arkansas more than any other change.
That and doing away with timeouts right before tv timeouts.
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phadedhawg

They need to speed the game up but the shot clock isn't why it drags out.  It's too many timeouts. 

This is good news but not sure how the shot clock change helps us.  It will make it a tiny bit harder to run the clock at the end.  It will certainly benefit the team playing from behind, more possessions down the stretch.

Thepigdoctor

Glad to see the media timeout change regarding a timeout called within 30 seconds automatically becomes the media timeout, but that also just means a savvy coach can gain extra timeouts by calling them within 30 seconds of same, therefore, they've still really not addressed that there are just too many stoppages of play built into the game. Nice to see they've reduced timeouts and how many can be carried over though. Those changes, IMO, are what benefit us the most given that our goal is to wear down our opponent through tempo.

Still think they need to reduce the number of media timeouts. Those are one of the biggest factors in killing offense in college basketball. Every 4 minutes, there is a guaranteed stoppage of play, which interrupts game flow, kills runs, and also gives less conditioned/slower tempo teams extra breathers to handle a team that wants to force tempo, wear you down.

Two media timeouts a half is more than enough, with the same automatic timeout conversion called within 30 seconds. Under 12 timeout, under 6 timeout. It won't happen because the NCAA will continue to give lip service to creating a better offensive and overall product, all the while having no desire to give up any of the advertisement revenue generated by having eight media timeouts per game. Eight media timeouts, absolutely ridiculous.

azhog10

Quote from: Wisco Pig on June 10, 2015, 09:48:46 am

As for Bo Ryan, he's a shoo-in for the basketball hall of fame.  A five-second change in the shot clock won't faze him.
Case in point. The change in shot clock will not change the way he coaches and teaches the game of basketball. Very few coaches are going to change how they operate. Exactly why this will not make our style worse. It may have no impact, and it may be a positive one. But I don't see how it is bad.

azhog10

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on June 10, 2015, 09:39:11 am

For most slow-tempo teams, they can compensate for losing five seconds off the shot clock by moving more quickly across halfcourt after gaining possession. They'll still initiate their plays with about the same time left on the shot clock. Five seconds is crap. This was an incremental change that was a compromise because the traditionalists don't really want to change.
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Tim

Quote from: ErieHog on June 09, 2015, 11:25:31 am
As mentioned above, in the long term, things that unify the pace of play are bad for Arkansas.

The more that the systems allow for variation, the more ability to exploit inefficiencies comes into play.      The shot clock change will not be good for us, long term.
Agreed.  Now more teams will be forced to play up tempo and our system will no longer be something teams rarely see. 

WorfHog

June 18, 2015, 11:04:13 am #33 Last Edit: June 19, 2015, 10:43:30 am by WorfHog
Quote from: Tim on June 18, 2015, 04:58:05 am
Agreed.  Now more teams will be forced to play up tempo and our system will no longer be something teams rarely see.


We're still looking to take a shot very early in the clock, probably under 15 or so seconds. Teams playing like Wisconsin are losing 5 seconds to find an opportunity. Should help us in the short run at least.

ErieHog

Quote from: WorfHog on June 18, 2015, 11:04:13 am

We're still looking to take a shot very early in the clock, probably under 15 or so seconds. Teams playing like Wisconsin pare losing 5 seconds to find an opportunity. Should help us in the short run at least.

Only in the very short run;  people tend to examine the effect of this change on a single possession basis, rather than the cumulative effect, noting correctly that it won't change the pace of offensive sets for slow-down teams--  but not noting that it changes the total volume of possessions in any game.

Fatigue is built into trips up and down the court; the more of those you add, the more it changes things like substitution patterns-- a net bonus for the short term, while teams figure out personnel changes, and sub packages.    What it does, in the longer term, though, is change the viability of players less suited to high-possession total games.    You don't get rid of the Frank Kamisky types of players,  but instead of being able to go 35 minutes a night, they can only go 30.   That means a wholesale change in the players that will be recruited, the roles of supporting cast, and a game that encourages recruiting better conditioned athletes.

It removes the kinds of players we want to exploit from the floor, more often, and puts the kinds of players we would like to recruit, more squarely in the focus of other teams.    That, in the end, is not good for Arkansas basketball.

Exploiting differentials and inefficiencies is where this system wins marginal games.  Making other teams more like us, is bad.

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Pork Twain

June 19, 2015, 07:44:46 am #35 Last Edit: June 19, 2015, 07:57:32 am by Pork Twain
I am not buying that this move hurts the hogs at any point.  Teams are still going to play their style, they are just going to try to get it across the half-court line more quickly and get into their set offense.  I believe any move that speeds up the pace of play helps us.  The rule changes that slowed down the pace of play have hurt every time.  Hard to imagine rule changes that do the opposite would have the same damaging end result.
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azhog10

Quote from: ErieHog on June 19, 2015, 03:17:26 am
Only in the very short run;  people tend to examine the effect of this change on a single possession basis, rather than the cumulative effect, noting correctly that it won't change the pace of offensive sets for slow-down teams--  but not noting that it changes the total volume of possessions in any game.

Fatigue is built into trips up and down the court; the more of those you add, the more it changes things like substitution patterns-- a net bonus for the short term, while teams figure out personnel changes, and sub packages.    What it does, in the longer term, though, is change the viability of players less suited to high-possession total games.    You don't get rid of the Frank Kamisky types of players,  but instead of being able to go 35 minutes a night, they can only go 30.   That means a wholesale change in the players that will be recruited, the roles of supporting cast, and a game that encourages recruiting better conditioned athletes.

It removes the kinds of players we want to exploit from the floor, more often, and puts the kinds of players we would like to recruit, more squarely in the focus of other teams.    That, in the end, is not good for Arkansas basketball.

Exploiting differentials and inefficiencies is where this system wins marginal games.  Making other teams more like us, is bad.
Apparently any change seems to hurt us. It's obvious as the NCAA added more timeouts and slowed the pace of the game down this type of tempo struggled. Now, they want to speed it up and we are saying it is going to hurt us again? Yeah okay.

Pork Twain

The logic is clear here.

Slowing the game down hurts the Hogs.

Speeding the game up hurts the Hogs.

Got it...
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Cinco de Hogo

What's good for the sports is what's good for Arkansas and any other participants.  Interest in college basketball hit its height in the early nineties and then they changed the rules.  I haven't cared for the overall product since other than The Raxorbscks.  Maybe the NCAA is finally realizing their mistakes.

If other coaches have to adjust I would expect our can also.  Find an answer.

ErieHog

Quote from: azhog10 on June 19, 2015, 08:51:42 am
Apparently any change seems to hurt us. It's obvious as the NCAA added more timeouts and slowed the pace of the game down this type of tempo struggled. Now, they want to speed it up and we are saying it is going to hurt us again? Yeah okay.


No, specific changes are what hurts us;  had the timeout change occurred, without a change in the shot clock, it would have been very beneficial-- but, we don't get everything that is best for our style.
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WorfHog

Quote from: Pork Twain on June 19, 2015, 09:11:01 am
The logic is clear here.

Slowing the game down hurts the Hogs.

Speeding the game up hurts the Hogs.

Got it...

It's because ESPN hates us.

MountieDawg

The only real truth is the faster the game is played it will help the teams with the better players the most. Underdogs will find it more difficult to upset star laden teams.
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WarPig88

Quote from: MountieDawg on June 19, 2015, 11:12:00 am
The only real truth is the faster the game is played it will help the teams with the better players the most. Underdogs will find it more difficult to upset star laden teams.

Not true. Many of the traditionally more talented teams do not develop their benches and play with small rotations.

If they increase their rotation numbers, the most talented guys will be on the court a smaller pct of the game, not more like they are when the game is played at a pace that allows them to stay fresh.

rwspear

Quote from: ErieHog on June 19, 2015, 10:29:38 am

No, specific changes are what hurts us;  had the timeout change occurred, without a change in the shot clock, it would have been very beneficial-- but, we don't get everything that is best for our style.

no

your logic is just wrong. i see what youre attempting, but youre still wrong. your process would  be correct if they were cutting the shotclock in half, but it doesnt hold water when its only getting reduced to 30 seconds, still 6 seconds longer than the NBA.

teams are not suddenly going to become arkansas or vcu. first of all, there are not enough 'athletic' players coming out of highschool to go around.

secondly, our offense and defense is not about exploitation. if you believe our basketball philosophies are exploits, you dont understand our philosophies.

our defense is not from the 90s. we cannot play 90s hog ball anymore. the NCAA rule changes have eliminated that style of play. our defense, in 2015, is predicated on disrupting other teams' secondary break and forcing them into offense situations they are not accustomed to. this will not change with a new shotclock. we are also about making you play faster than usual. again, this will not change moving forward. a five second decrease does not mean ball-control teams are going to start playing run-and-gun. it just means they are going to have be five seconds quicker with their slow plays, and its our job to make them play even faster.

offensively this changes nothing for us.

with these changes every player on the floor is going to be running more. this is GOOD for us. MA recruits athletes and we are in better shape than 90% of the teams we play, and that wont change because of a five second reduction.

its as if the football playclock is getting reduced by five seconds and youre saying its going to hurt the HUNH offenses. huh?

ErieHog

Quote from: rwspear on June 22, 2015, 04:19:24 pm
no

your logic is just wrong. i see what youre attempting, but youre still wrong. your process would  be correct if they were cutting the shotclock in half, but it doesnt hold water when its only getting reduced to 30 seconds, still 6 seconds longer than the NBA.

teams are not suddenly going to become arkansas or vcu. first of all, there are not enough 'athletic' players coming out of highschool to go around.

secondly, our offense and defense is not about exploitation. if you believe our basketball philosophies are exploits, you dont understand our philosophies.

our defense is not from the 90s. we cannot play 90s hog ball anymore. the NCAA rule changes have eliminated that style of play. our defense, in 2015, is predicated on disrupting other teams' secondary break and forcing them into offense situations they are not accustomed to. this will not change with a new shotclock. we are also about making you play faster than usual. again, this will not change moving forward. a five second decrease does not mean ball-control teams are going to start playing run-and-gun. it just means they are going to have be five seconds quicker with their slow plays, and its our job to make them play even faster.

offensively this changes nothing for us.

with these changes every player on the floor is going to be running more. this is GOOD for us. MA recruits athletes and we are in better shape than 90% of the teams we play, and that wont change because of a five second reduction.

its as if the football playclock is getting reduced by five seconds and youre saying its going to hurt the HUNH offenses. huh?


Over the long run, absolutely the same would be true if they reduced the play clock.  Differential in style matters a huge amount, and the more you standardize style, along with expanding the number of possessions, the less advantageous playing a different pace becomes.

It absolutely changes how other teams play, and how they roster build;   they won't change their sets, but they absolutely will have no choice but to change their rotation patterns, and address how to adjust to the change in the raw numbers of possessions.

We've seen this, every time they've tinkered with reducing the shot clock.      To expect anything else, is the stretch.
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WorfHog

I wonder what CMA thinks about the changes?

ErieHog

Quote from: WorfHog on June 23, 2015, 10:50:12 am
I wonder what CMA thinks about the changes?

He favors them all, publicly. 
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EastexHawg

The way to speed up the game is to eliminate the advantage the team that is behind gets from fouling.  What makes the game so slow that it's almost unbearable to watch is the constant, intentional fouling.

You play 38 minutes of basketball, then when you find yourself down by 12 with two minutes to play you decide to change the game.  Every time the opponent throws the ball inbounds you intentionally foul within 3 seconds. 

It's ridiculous that that tactic is allowed to go on.

First of all, institute an intentional foul rule...and call it.  Make an intentional foul two shots and the ball.  Then, to take away the discretion of officials who may or may not call the obviously intentional fouls, put in a rule about the number of fouls within the last two minutes.  On the third team foul it's two shots and the ball whether the officials call the intentional foul or not.

In no other sport is the team that is behind allowed to:

1. Dictate to the offense how the game will be played, as in not allowing the offense to run its sets/plays and attempt field goals;
2. Artificially shorten the offense's time of possession by fouling with 1.2 seconds of the inbounds pass; and
3. Most of all, gain an advantage...that advantage being an increased chance at winning...by committing a foul/penalty.

If football if you're trailing by 27 with two minutes to go you can't intentionally jump offsides, thereby forcing the offense to try to score from the five yard line on an untimed down and getting the ball back yourself after the attempt.

Take away the advantage gained by intentionally fouling and the game will flow all the way to the end...and we'll get rid of the ridiculous situation in which it can take 25 minutes to play the last 2:23 on the clock.

Biggus Piggus

Believe it or not, Eastex, that very tactic is what many coaches believe is their bread and butter, their value-added. That's coaching! Using tactics to win games. This will never change.
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EastexHawg

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on June 24, 2015, 09:02:58 am
Believe it or not, Eastex, that very tactic is what many coaches believe is their bread and butter, their value-added. That's coaching! Using tactics to win games. This will never change.

Maybe they should coach their teams to not get their tails kicked for the first 38 minutes.  If that happened they wouldn't be behind by 11 with two minutes to go.

It may be coaching, but it's also a disgrace that the rules allow it.  The fact that the disgrace has become institutionalized to the point that it is now accepted tradition doesn't make it any less so.