Overrated Coaches

[Hogimus Prime]

Who do some of you guys out there think are some of the most overrated coaches in the history of college basketball and why do you think they are overrated.

[songofthesword]

I think John Chaney is the most overrated coach to ever step foot on the face of the earth. the man won a freakin division 2 champinionship and that's it. there are coaches that have won more than one real champ that don't get the cred this man gets.

hell of a defensive coach, but not the legend made out to be. I'll always remember him for getting into with Calipari however. that was classic.

[k.c.hawg]

Well it is really hard to quantify. People are always looking to find a successful coach and label him as overrated. I'd say go find the guys that got 5 year deals, made a lot of money, and left with a loosing record. That is overrated, he was considered worthy of a big contract and didn't produce. When you ask most coaches now what is most important...recruiting or x's and o's. They almost all say recruiting. Yet when people look for an overrated coach, ala Guy Lewis (he just rolled the ball out there and said go play) they overlook the fact that he recruited Phi Slamma Jamma. Show me a guy that has won a championship, gets his team to the tournament on a regular basis, wins his conference, wins some conference tournaments and I don't give a rats ass how he did it...he's a good coach. Find me a guy that got paid and sucked...he was overrated.

[k.c.hawg]

A dude that choked out Calipari cannot be overrated!

[songofthesword]

overrated to me simply means, is that he is considered to be better than he is.

No one is saying John Chaney isn't a heck of a coach. but there are people who think he is a top 10 coach of all time.. umm. no.

[idiotghos]

I think Denny Crum is maybe the most underrated basketball coach of all time.  Does that help?

[hoggystyle78]

Dana Altman
Billy Gillespie

[ChicoHog]

Tom Penders.  I saw him with plenty of talent at Texas and absolutely no idea what to do with it.  most undisciplined, under achieving, poorly coached team of the 90's for sure.  he also did not fare well at GW.  He was the ultimate "throw the ball out and do whatever you want" coach.

[mountainhog]

Houston Nutt! 

Oops , wrong forum.

[mountainhog]

Tom Izzo  has to win this competition hands down! 

He has hooten written all over him.  Underachieves with superior talent and sometimes overachieves with less talent.   

[dotnet]

Tom Izzo  has to win this competition hands down! 

He has hooten written all over him.  Underachieves with superior talent and sometimes overachieves with less talent.  

He has been to the final four and won too many times for me to say he is overrated.

I would have said Brady was until LSU got rid of him.

I feel like its a hard question because I feel like its some what obvious who the good coaches are and who the bad ones.  The bad ones get found out pretty quick in basketball, ala Stan Heath. 

[mountainhog]

He has been to the final four and won too many times for me to say he is overrated.

I would have said Brady was until LSU got rid of him.

I feel like its a hard question because I feel like its some what obvious who the good coaches are and who the bad ones.  The bad ones get found out pretty quick in basketball, ala Stan Heath. 

He taught heath everything he knows,,  thats one reason why i picked him.. lol

[hawgsav1]

How is John Chaney overrated?  No one says he's a top 10 coach, but he's taken a lot of young guys from the Philly streets (many of them not rated highly) and turned them into fine young men and players.  His demanding style meant that no hotshot ego-driven recruits would submit to his 530 AM practices, demanding schedule, and lifestyle.  I'm sure if you gave him some 5* recruits, he would have won a national championship.  He's a pretty good coach. 

[Hogtropolis™]

Tom Izzo  has to win this competition hands down! 

He has hooten written all over him.  Underachieves with superior talent and sometimes overachieves with less talent.   

He's been to the Sweet Sixteen 7 times, Elite Eight 5 times, Final Four 4 times, won it all once and yet he is overrated?

How can someone be overrated if they are as good as they are portrayed to be?

[donewithdale]

Pearl - and I have stated why many times on here

If you really need to know why, watch just about any game his team plays in March.  Last year's game vs Louisville was one of the worst displays of basic basketball fundamentals in the history of the NCAAT.

I don't think Bruce Weber gets much credit yet to be considered overrated yet.  And I doubt that he'll last long enough at Illinois for that to ever happen.  And Thad Motta has certainly had some talent fall into his lap at Ohio St.  But again, I don't see where he gets hyped to be considered overrated at this point.   

[Hogtropolis™]

Pearl - and I have stated why many times on here

If you really need to know why, watch just about any game his team plays in March.  Last year's game vs Louisville was one of the worst displays of basic basketball fundamentals in the history of the NCAAT.

I don't think Bruce Weber gets much credit yet to be considered overrated yet.  And I doubt that he'll last long enough at Illinois for that to ever happen.  And Thad Motta has certainly had some talent fall into his lap at Ohio St.  But again, I don't see where he gets hyped to be considered overrated at this point.   

I'll agree on Pearl.  I think he receives a lot of credit when he hasn't really even done anything at the D-I level.

He got the Tenn. job from taking Wisc.-Mil. to the Sweet 16 and hasn't gotten past that with some very talented Tennessee teams the past two years.

[Hoggy1]

Pearl, need I say more?

[3kgthog]

Bob Knight has been overrated for at least the last ten years. Before you Knighthuggers go postal, I'm only talking his last several years at IU and his entire tenure at Tech. Obviously he was great back in the day.

[MountieDawg]

I hate Tennessee basketball, but you cant say Pearle is overated!!!  That program was a POTATOE buried under the dirt!  His recruiting, his style of play, his ability to put 20,000 plus in the seats for Men's basketball at Tenn...  U dont have to like him, but you cant say he is over-rated...   

Plus the man sweats like a prostitute in church but he still wins and he has shown discipline by kicking players off the team that dont follow the rules no matter how good they are...

[hogfan064]

Bob Knight has been overrated for at least the last ten years. Before you Knighthuggers go postal, I'm only talking his last several years at IU and his entire tenure at Tech. Obviously he was great back in the day.

He took over a horrible TT program and put them in the postseason.  That's not an easy place to win and he had success. 

[Beaverfever]

Bruce Pearl.  I can't believe you people saying names like Izzo and Bob Knight.  How ridiculous

[RedSatinHog]

Bob Knight has been overrated for at least the last ten years. Before you Knighthuggers go postal, I'm only talking his last several years at IU and his entire tenure at Tech. Obviously he was great back in the day.

In his first season at Tech, he took a team which had only won like 6 games the year before he got there, then promptly won 20 with that squad.

Trying to recruit talent to come to Lubbock, Texas is no cake walk.  TTU is a good school, but that entire area is built around cattle feed lots, oil wells, and cotton fields.  It's in the middle of nowhere and about 5 feet from hell.

[TomaHawg]

Pearl... though I think he's a good coach at Tenn, I've been so sick of hearing of the Volunteers and seeing him all over the pre-tournament magazines and on ESPN these last few years - only to see them choke.  Too much attention/credit than has thus far been deserved.

[ALLVOL]

I love how some of you on here call Pearl Overrated. Funny as hell...

[ErieHog]

I love how some of you on here call Pearl Overrated. Funny as hell...

Get back to us when he wins something. Anything, really.

[ALLVOL]

Get back to us when he wins something. Anything, really.

UT won the SEC last year. He won national titles at previous stops. He has been there 3 years and for those 3 years he has done well. Only blind hatred could say otherwise with a straight face.

[The Hogfather]

UT won the SEC last year. He won national titles at previous stops. He has been there 3 years and for those 3 years he has done well. Only blind hatred could say otherwise with a straight face.

SEC REGULAR SEASON CHAMPIONS!

You sound like Houston Nutt.  He hasn't won $hit at the D-1A level.  In fact, he hasn't been able to get any of his Tennessee teams past the Sweet 16, twice with #2 seeds.  That's pathetic.  If I was you, I wouldn't be bragging about how good he is.  I'd be upset that he underachieves in March (SEC Tourney as well).

[ALLVOL]

SEC REGULAR SEASON CHAMPIONS!

You sound like Houston Nutt.  He hasn't won $hit at the D-1A level.  In fact, he hasn't been able to get any of his Tennessee teams past the Sweet 16, twice with #2 seeds.  That's pathetic.  If I was you, I wouldn't be bragging about how good he is.  I'd be upset that he underachieves in March (SEC Tourney as well).

Was I bragging? Just pointing out facts. I know that if the Hogs won the SEC and made it to back to back sweet 16 all the hog fans would be calling for Pels head.... My point is that it's funny that some of you think he is overrated. Those of you who do are in a HUGE minority nationally. Now, hate on.

[HawgAdvocate]

Quinn Snyder
Tommy Amaker
Lon Kruger (decent success, but it never lasts)
Tim Floyd
Steve Lavin
Jeff Lebo
Dennis Felton
Dickey Nutt
Matt Doherty

[The Hogfather]

Was I bragging? Just pointing out facts. I know that if the Hogs won the SEC and made it to back to back sweet 16 all the hog fans would be calling for Pels head.... My point is that it's funny that some of you think he is overrated. Those of you who do are in a HUGE minority nationally. Now, hate on.

Whatever you want to call it.  I don't care.  Talking about his "grand accomplishments".  If we "won the SEC" in the regular season, I would first expect us to do better in the SECT, and then I would expect MUCH better than a Sweet 16 as a #2 seed.  I know what your point is.  I don't care what the national drive-by media/fans think about Pearl.  All they know is he wins a bunch of regular season games and paints his chest.  They don't really pay attention to him as a coach.  That's part of the reason he's overrated.  The national media loves to lick his hairy chest.  They don't care how he does in March because he's got a good personality and he plays an exciting brand of basketball.

I'm not hating, I'm pointing out that Pearl is overrated.

[Hogtropolis™]

UT won the SEC last year. He won national titles at previous stops. He has been there 3 years and for those 3 years he has done well. Only blind hatred could say otherwise with a straight face.

Pearl has been a great regular season coach.  But since he has moved up to DI, he hasn't done anything when it counts.  He gets his teams high seeds, but then doesn't produce like he should with those high seeds.

I think he is a good overall coach, but I also believe he is overrated, because the media portrays him to be better than he actually is considering his limited success in postseason tournaments.

[Hognum P.I.]

Always thought Norm Stewart was overrated.  Only went to the NCAA's 50% of the time, and was only in the elite 8 twice.  Highlight was going 14-0 in the Big Eight in 1994 only to have Tyus Edney end it in a mad dash.

He's a legend to Mizzou because he was there for a long time and came back from colon cancer to still be effective.

Only averaged 16.7 wins per year in 38 seasons (6 at Northern Iowa).

[Beaverfever]

I agree with Tim Floyd.  He gets great recruits because he is in sunny SoCal but still hasn't really done anything.  They have had some serious talents the last few years and honestly haven't done anything to get excited about. 

[ErieHog]

Was I bragging? Just pointing out facts. I know that if the Hogs won the SEC and made it to back to back sweet 16 all the hog fans would be calling for Pels head.... My point is that it's funny that some of you think he is overrated. Those of you who do are in a HUGE minority nationally. Now, hate on.

Pointing out just how marginal a coach he is, yes.  He's not great, no matter what you think of him-- and no, I won't be terribly impressed if after 5 years Pelphrey's resume isn't better-- I'd expect him to be shown the door.

[yodcw2003]

Tim Floyd is a horrible coach. USC was loaded last year. I'm not sure how he keeps getting jobs.

[HotlantaHog]

Tim Floyd is a horrible coach. USC was loaded last year. I'm not sure how he keeps getting jobs.

The only game I recall him at was when they blew out Arkansas in the NCAAs in Spokane.

[opineonswine]

I love how some of you on here call Pearl Overrated. Funny as hell...

Whether he is overrated or not, I don't know.  I've never seen many accolades about him.  He's an ok coach.  Nothing special.  He is a big choker.  That's for sure.  He's yet to prove he can win anything.  Maybe he'll do so, but for now he is not in the company of great college coaches.

[ChicoHog]

Tim Floyd is a horrible coach. USC was loaded last year. I'm not sure how he keeps getting jobs.

He did well at New Orleans University and Iowa St also.  I think a good coach and I would have been happy to see him in Fayetteville.  My question on him is his willingness to take marginal character kids.  I think he lacks discipline which I do like about Pelphrey. 

[The Hog]

That tall red headed skinny guy at Arkansas.   

[Granny fan]

I'm starting to think Billy Gillespie is.