GAME THREAD: Arkansas Razorbacks @ Minnesota

[hogwood]

I know coach is making a point about playing hard on D... But come on give him 10 minutes.

Did you see him when he was on the floor? He traveled, made a bad foul, and made a bad pass which was stolen. All in like 2 minutes. He was a clear liability. I wish he was that 5* recruit but he's not. CMA loves him and I'm sure intends on playing him when he can.

[FineAsSwine]

Agree. It was really bad and we have lots to work on!

Need to shake up the starting lineup and insert Beard for Macon and Cook for Thomas.

[WorfHog]

There are zero excuses for getting ran out of the gym by Minnesota. This year the problem ain't the jimmies and joes.

[hogman99]

MINNESOTA has a ton of new pieces! For crying out loud. Their recruiting class was no better than ours was! They know what they are doing with their new pieces. Our coach is lost in the past.

Amen!!

[ADavisTheGOAT]

Mean while IPFW (Fort Wayne) is beating Indiana on the road.

[BassinHawg]

But a practice facility will help, yeah right. we see how that worked out.

[Little Lady Back]

Need to shake up the starting lineup and insert Beard for Macon and Cook for Thomas.

I agree.

[Dr. Starcs]

You guys are overreacting. I know the Timberwolves are a terrible franchise, but they still are an nba team.

[Biggus Piggus]

Remember the 1987-88 season? Arkansas's second game was at Tulsa. The Hogs looked absolutely wretched, playing against the new Tulsa coach with his completely different, slowdown style. Tulsa won 68-47. Arkansas won 20 more games that season and went to the NCAAT for the first time under Nolan.

In game two of the 1991-92 season, out in Hawaii, the Hogs lost in ugly fashion to unranked Michigan State, which turned out to be a good team.

We opened against Calipari and UMass to begin the 1994-95 season and got humiliated.

Let's hope this was like one of those.

[latrops]

14 point road loss is not the end of the world. Just need to work out the kinks and bounce back.

We were down 20ish the entire 2nd half.  It was non-competitive after the first 10 or so minutes.  You can lose by 14 but have been competitive....We weren't tonight.

[RealHog]

I'm not very confident how much coaching Mike does, half court offense and pick and roll defense seem to mystify this team, and the old style of trapping wont work with the new rules.

[FineAsSwine]

There are zero excuses for getting ran out of the gym by Minnesota. This year the problem ain't the jimmies and joes.

They did beat us but they didn't run us out of the gym.

[FineAsSwine]

We were down 20ish the entire 2nd half.  It was non-competitive after the first 10 or so minutes.  You can lose by 14 but have been competitive....We weren't tonight.

No question, it was a tough night.

[ErieHog]

The second half was a much better product.  That said, you can't dig holes that big, and expect to climb out of them, especially when the other team destroys the 3 ball.

Would have been easy to lose this by 30 tonight, but didn't.

[RazorPiggie]

It's not overreacting when it;s the same crap year after year and no improvement or adjustments are made!

Mike could coach his way out of a wet paper bag!

Bingo

[Biggus Piggus]

I am a huge college basketball fan. I have watched Razorback basketball since before it was ever anything. And I'm really tired of this crap. It is the same problems over and over. Our system is broken. We do not play good pressure defense, and we do not do anything else well in terms of defense/rebounding. Our offense tonight was completely bozo for one half. We scored a little better when Minnesota was willing to trade points with us. Not because of anything we did.

[Wisco Pig]

Yup, what Biggus said.   And that's why we're not overreacting.

[WorfHog]

They did beat us but they didn't run us out of the gym.

Yeah they did. It would of stayed 20+ if Pitino didn't bench a couple of guys. Sorry I can't make a moral victory out of this one. Team looks ill prepared and the staff looked lost as to why they were losing. Shame because this year they have some real talent and it'll be squandered playing the same old system that doesn't work.

Mike =/= Nolan, not by a long shot.

[Hollywood870]

You guys know Minnesota let off the intensity letting us get some trash buckets at the end right? Do you notice how other teams have 4-5 dudes that look like they are 6-9 235 and we have a bunch of skinny pole vaulters out there every year?

[latrops]

Remember the 1987-88 season? Arkansas's second game was at Tulsa. The Hogs looked absolutely wretched, playing against the new Tulsa coach with his completely different, slowdown style. Tulsa won 68-47. Arkansas won 20 more games that season and went to the NCAAT for the first time under Nolan.

In game two of the 1991-92 season, out in Hawaii, the Hogs lost in ugly fashion to unranked Michigan State, which turned out to be a good team.

We opened against Calipari and UMass to begin the 1994-95 season and got humiliated.

Let's hope this was like one of those.

In spite of what tonight's announcers said, CMA hasn't yet shown himself to be very similar to Nolan in his prime.  One bad game doesn't mean much...especially on the road, but it's tough to be encouraged by more bad basketball given what we've endured the last 15+ years.  Tonight did not look like progress.  Hopefully it was just the low point of what is ultimately an entertaining and successful season.

[Danny J]

Remember the 1987-88 season? Arkansas's second game was at Tulsa. The Hogs looked absolutely wretched, playing against the new Tulsa coach with his completely different, slowdown style. Tulsa won 68-47. Arkansas won 20 more games that season and went to the NCAAT for the first time under Nolan.

In game two of the 1991-92 season, out in Hawaii, the Hogs lost in ugly fashion to unranked Michigan State, which turned out to be a good team.

We opened against Calipari and UMass to begin the 1994-95 season and got humiliated.

Let's hope this was like one of those.

I think it could be. This team has talent. I see the talent. I think a lot of our problems stem from new guys in the system. We play like this early every year but I was hoping the Spain trip would help some. Just think how bad we would be if the Spain trip actually did help? When our problems persist like they do early in a season it is up to our coach to make changes to help us win that game not to ride it out hoping they will come along. At least we didn't lose to a horrible mid major at home.

[Atlhogfan1]

The second half was a much better product.  That said, you can't dig holes that big, and expect to climb out of them, especially when the other team destroys the 3 ball.

Would have been easy to lose this by 30 tonight, but didn't.

Like the Cal NIT game. This wasn't an anomaly.

[elksnort]

I am a huge college basketball fan. I have watched Razorback basketball since before it was ever anything. And I'm really tired of this crap. It is the same problems over and over. Our system is broken. We do not play good pressure defense, and we do not do anything else well in terms of defense/rebounding. Our offense tonight was completely bozo for one half. We scored a little better when Minnesota was willing to trade points with us. Not because of anything we did.

I would like to see them back off the pressure some and do an inside-outside game with the big man. The system seems to feed on weaker teams, maybe teams guard play is not so good but it doesn't seem to be as effective against better teams nowadays. Simply put there seems to be some talent on this team and different approach I think would work

[alohawg]

I am a huge college basketball fan. I have watched Razorback basketball since before it was ever anything. And I'm really tired of this crap. It is the same problems over and over. Our system is broken. We do not play good pressure defense, and we do not do anything else well in terms of defense/rebounding. Our offense tonight was completely bozo for one half. We scored a little better when Minnesota was willing to trade points with us. Not because of anything we did.

The triplets were my heroes as a teen, this sucks.

[hobhog]

It's OK. No one really pays attention anymore....

[hogsanity]

I'm not very confident how much coaching Mike does, half court offense and pick and roll defense seem to mystify this team, and the old style of trapping wont work with the new rules.

What new rules, this is a non-rule change year. Only thing is they are actually enforcing rules that have been on the books for years. I know it is a shock that you really are not supposed to hold and hack the guy with the ball.

[Iwastherein1969]

You can blame every bit of Arkansas' fall from the elite of basketball on one JFB. He just had to prove his point to Nolan, show the state of Arkansas who was still in charge back just after Y2k and our program has been lost in the woods since. When Nolan quit/was fired we were beginning to wane, I get that, but we were still respected nationally and could get into almost any blue chip's home for a recruiting visit. Then JFB hired Nolan's African-American replacement in Stan Heath. In an apparent borderline racists' attempt from JFB to prove to Nolan that "any ol' Black guy will do" (which is sickening) to further rub it in Nolan's face. A long post to get to my point, but blame JFB for the fall from grace of our once splendid basketball program. Sadly, it will never be the same.

ad: This is not a reaction to this one loss. These kinds of losses on the road early in the season happen to most teams. The above was my attempt to place the blame of mediocre Arkansas basketball where it truly belongs, at the feet of James Frank Broyles.

[Jonteviosk]

New pieces matter more on the road. Game would've been much different at home.

Trying to think of positives.

Bullcrap we barely beat pathetic ass UTSA at home by 4 and a bad Fort Wayne team by 9. Minnesota would have pasted us in Bud Walton also.

[fineswine]

You can blame every bit of Arkansas' fall from the elite of basketball on one JFB. He just had to prove his point to Nolan, show the state of Arkansas who was still in charge back just after Y2k and our program has been lost in the woods since. When Nolan quit/was fired we were beginning to wane, I get that, but we were still respected nationally and could get into almost any blue chip's home for a recruiting visit. Then JFB hired Nolan's African-American replacement in Stan Heath. In an apparent borderline racists' attempt from JFB to prove to Nolan that "any ol' Black guy will do" (which is sickening) to further rub it in Nolan's face. A long post to get to my point, but blame JFB for the fall from grace of our once splendid basketball program. Sadly, it will never be the same.

ad: This is not a reaction to this one loss. These kinds of losses on the road early in the season happen to most teams. The above was my attempt to place the blame of mediocre Arkansas basketball where it truly belongs, at the feet of James Frank Broyles.

While a lot of this is true, it was likely that Coach Richardson's second in command (Anderson) would have been the heir apparent. Coach Richardson doesn't get fired, completes his HOF career, and then we still end up with the guy we have now. It was all going to eventually crumble.

[870hogfan]

Bullcrap we barely beat pathetic ass UTSA at home by 4 and a bad Fort Wayne team by 9. Minnesota would have pasted us in Bud Walton also.

The same bad Fort Wayne team that just beat the number 3 Indiana team last night?

[Arbonnejen]

Best quote I've read here. Thanks for having a voice of reason.

If you have been following CBB this year, upsets are happening and good teams are being blown out.  Do you think this game is the same in the Bud? Probably not.  I like the fact our first road test was tough.  Georgetown loses on a last second shot to a good Maryland, got beat by Arkansas State and then turns around and beats a top 15 team in Oregon.  This teams has a ton of new pieces, give them time to gel.

[FATHAWG08]

Fouls, Fouls & more Fouls. They will not let get a way with all the hand grabbing, hand checking that we do on the road. They were in the Bonus  with 12:03 left  in the first half. GAME OVER!! Seen it to many times on the Road

[Nosboar Accubond]

Did you see him when he was on the floor? He traveled, made a bad foul, and made a bad pass which was stolen. All in like 2 minutes. He was a clear liability. I wish he was that 5* recruit but he's not. CMA loves him and I'm sure intends on playing him when he can.

Yes, I did. I've also seen every other minute he's played. He needs minutes. Moses looked awful for spells last night too. Heck the whole team did at times. I said give him 10 minutes, not 30.

[Nosboar Accubond]

Bullcrap we barely beat pathetic ass UTSA at home by 4 and a bad Fort Wayne team by 9. Minnesota would have pasted us in Bud Walton also.

yea... About that FW team...

[MemphisBossHog]

You guys know Minnesota let off the intensity letting us get some trash buckets at the end right? Do you notice how other teams have 4-5 dudes that look like they are 6-9 235 and we have a bunch of skinny pole vaulters out there every year?

see Ole Miss most EVERY year.  They usually have 2 or 3 or 4 guys who look like they are about 27 years old, completely filled out muscularly and they manhandle us under the boards every year.  I agree with you. See it every year.

[Letsroll1200]

see Ole Miss most EVERY year.  They usually have 2 or 3 or 4 guys who look like they are about 27 years old, completely filled out muscularly and they manhandle us under the boards every year.  I agree with you. See it every year.

Middle Tenessee State 77 Ole Miss 62
10 points from former hog Jacorey Williams.

[FineAsSwine]

Middle Tenessee State 77 Ole Miss 62
10 points from former hog Jacorey Williams.

Haha, guess those 27 year old, 6'9", 235 pounders got pounded.