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Who would you rather have Pat Bradley, Dusty Hannahs or Rotnei Clarke
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All could shoot. PB probably played better D.
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Either Hannahs or Bradley but I'd favor Bradley.

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Biggus Piggus

Bradley was a career 42% 2-pt shooter, 40% from 3-pt range, 86% at the line but hardly got any chances (288 in four seasons). Bradley made 366 threes in his Arkansas career, 2.8 per game.

Hannahs at Arkansas shot 49% from 2-pt range, 41% from 3-pt range, 89% at the line with 234 chances in just two seasons. Hannahs made 155 threes at Arkansas, 2.3 per game.

Hannahs averaged 2.0 rebounds, 1.0 assist, 0.5 steals, 1.5 turnovers, 15.4 ppg.

Bradley averaged 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 1.2 steals, 1.6 turnovers, and in his last two seasons he averaged 14.5 ppg.

Hannahs was much better off the dribble, going to the basket, had more of a midrange game and better ability to get to the hoop and score inside.

Bradley was better at getting looks for threes. In his senior season, Bradley took 10+ threes in eight different games, and he attempted seven or more in most of Arkansas's games.

Hannahs took 10+ threes only two times in all the games he played at Arkansas. In his senior season, Hannahs attempted seven or more treys only seven times.

Bradley might have been a better fit for this basketball team than Hannahs was. My main frustration with Hannahs was his inability to take/make more 3-pointers. He should have been a serious outside shooting weapon. Nicely accurate but too infrequent.

Hannahs beats Bradley's ability to score inside and at the line, hands down. But the Razorbacks needed his outside shooting more -- they could get the other things from other players.

Bradley also put more into the rest of his game - passing, rebounding, defense. Switching them might not make any difference at all, but I'd like to see how a player like Bradley would have looked on this basketball team.
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Quote from: Biggus Piggus on March 29, 2017, 05:57:38 pm
Bradley was a career 42% 2-pt shooter, 40% from 3-pt range, 86% at the line but hardly got any chances (288 in four seasons). Bradley made 366 threes in his Arkansas career, 2.8 per game.

Hannahs at Arkansas shot 49% from 2-pt range, 41% from 3-pt range, 89% at the line with 234 chances in just two seasons. Hannahs made 155 threes at Arkansas, 2.3 per game.

Hannahs averaged 2.0 rebounds, 1.0 assist, 0.5 steals, 1.5 turnovers, 15.4 ppg.

Bradley averaged 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 1.2 steals, 1.6 turnovers, and in his last two seasons he averaged 14.5 ppg.

Hannahs was much better off the dribble, going to the basket, had more of a midrange game and better ability to get to the hoop and score inside.

Bradley was better at getting looks for threes. In his senior season, Bradley took 10+ threes in eight different games, and he attempted seven or more in most of Arkansas's games.

Hannahs took 10+ threes only two times in all the games he played at Arkansas. In his senior season, Hannahs attempted seven or more treys only seven times.

Bradley might have been a better fit for this basketball team than Hannahs was. My main frustration with Hannahs was his inability to take/make more 3-pointers. He should have been a serious outside shooting weapon. Nicely accurate but too infrequent.

Hannahs beats Bradley's ability to score inside and at the line, hands down. But the Razorbacks needed his outside shooting more -- they could get the other things from other players.

Bradley also put more into the rest of his game - passing, rebounding, defense. Switching them might not make any difference at all, but I'd like to see how a player like Bradley would have looked on this basketball team.
Also take in consideration who their point guards were.  Bradley had a good one and hannahs never had one

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Quote from: Biggus Piggus on March 29, 2017, 05:57:38 pm
Bradley was a career 42% 2-pt shooter, 40% from 3-pt range, 86% at the line but hardly got any chances (288 in four seasons). Bradley made 366 threes in his Arkansas career, 2.8 per game.

Hannahs at Arkansas shot 49% from 2-pt range, 41% from 3-pt range, 89% at the line with 234 chances in just two seasons. Hannahs made 155 threes at Arkansas, 2.3 per game.

Hannahs averaged 2.0 rebounds, 1.0 assist, 0.5 steals, 1.5 turnovers, 15.4 ppg.

Bradley averaged 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 1.2 steals, 1.6 turnovers, and in his last two seasons he averaged 14.5 ppg.


Clarke at Arkansas was 46.8% from 2-pt range, 42% from 3-pt, 86.3% from FT with only 234 attempts in three years. Clarke made 274 three pointers at Arkansas, 3.0 per game. Also has the school record for most threes in a game with 13.

Averaged 2.4 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.1 turnovers, and in his last two seasons he averaged 15.2 ppg.

Not saying Clarke is the best of the three, but looking at the stats he definitely has an argument. Just wonder if he had finished his career at Arkansas people would look at him differently, seeing as how he hasn't even been mentioned in this thread since the OP.

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Quote from: bulldog04 on March 29, 2017, 06:12:06 pm
Also take in consideration who their point guards were.  Bradley had a good one and hannahs never had one
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I would want Bradley. 

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Dominicanhog

I thought Pat and Dusty were 2 of a kind.. about the same.. would take either on the team....

HogsonHicks

Quote from: Stewhog 11 on March 29, 2017, 06:36:36 pm
Clarke at Arkansas was 46.8% from 2-pt range, 42% from 3-pt, 86.3% from FT with only 234 attempts in three years. Clarke made 274 three pointers at Arkansas, 3.0 per game. Also has the school record for most threes in a game with 13.

Averaged 2.4 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.9 steals, 1.1 turnovers, and in his last two seasons he averaged 15.2 ppg.

Not saying Clarke is the best of the three, but looking at the stats he definitely has an argument. Just wonder if he had finished his career at Arkansas people would look at him differently, seeing as how he hasn't even been mentioned in this thread since the OP.

Clarke also had more (clothing) steals than Bradley or Hannahs!

 

jm

Hannas -based on the guys he played with he did what was needed of him = Better  off the dribble and could create shots at times.

Dwight_K_Shrute

Well with Clarke you got the parent too.  Both Bradley and Dusty great Hogs and reps of the state.  PB loved it so much he never left.  Dusty loved it so much he had to come back.  Rotnei loved Rotnei so much he had to transfer.

Dusty seemed to be covered like a blanket this year.  It cut down on the 3's but opened up his inside game.  DH seems a bit more versatile than PB but they played on different teams at different times.  Both helped the Hogs do great things.  Can't go wrong with either.
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Alex Dillard, he could hit it from anywhere on the court.  I have never seen another player, that when left open momentarily after crossing half-court, that I thought oh man this is about to be nothing but silk.  We only had him for two years and he was not a top option with so much talent around him.

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Youngsta71701

Pat Bradley, no doubt. He was the most consistent, he was the smartest, played the better defense, and he was the toughest.
Hannahs had the most range and drove the ball to the basket the best.
Clark had the quickest release and handled the ball the best.
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NWAHog479

Chuck Tatum or Jason Gilbert probably... But no, definitely Bradley. I love all 3, but Pat played better defense than the others.

labb

Quote from: NWAHog479 on March 30, 2017, 09:18:54 am
Chuck Tatum or Jason Gilbert probably... But no, definitely Bradley. I love all 3, but Pat played better defense than the others.
First time I saw Bradley play defense I thought he was doing jumping jacks. But he did finally learn to play a little D. He could at least guard a fence post. None of the three will ever be know for their defense.

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hawginbigd1

Of those 3 it is Hannahs way above the other 2, the other 2 had a very difficult time getting their shot off.

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Quote from: BannerMountainMan on March 29, 2017, 05:29:34 pm
Who would you rather have Pat Bradley, Dusty Hannahs or Rotnei Clarke

Not Clarke!
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razorbackfanatic

As great as all of those guys were and fun to watch, Clint McDaniel might have been best for this years team bc he was an insane defender. He was so quick, he could take charge better than anyone I've ever seen. He could cheat and try to pick their pocket and then being out of position use his quickness and speed to get back in front of them and  stop on a dime to take a charge.

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Quote from: razorbackfanatic on March 30, 2017, 09:51:05 am
As great as all of those guys were and fun to watch, Clint McDaniel might have been best for this years team bc he was an insane defender. He was so quick, he could take charge better than anyone I've ever seen. He could cheat and try to pick their pocket and then being out of position use his quickness and speed to get back in front of them and  stop on a dime to take a charge.

McDaniel is one of my all time favorites. His defense was off-the-charts!
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hawganatic

Curious why the thread was limited to those three players...  Scotty Thurman and Clint McDaniel were both superior to all three during their time.


Youngsta71701

Quote from: hawganatic on March 30, 2017, 11:29:06 am
Curious why the thread was limited to those three players...  Scotty Thurman and Clint McDaniel were both superior to all three during their time.
I think he was really referring to the guards that shot the best. Or the best "shooting" guards. ???
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hawganatic

Quote from: Youngsta71701 on March 30, 2017, 11:36:17 am
I think he was really referring to the guards that shot the best. Or the best "shooting" guards. ???

So no Alex Dillard?

PonderinHog

Quote from: Youngsta71701 on March 30, 2017, 11:36:17 am
I think he was really referring to the guards that shot the best. Or the best "shooting" guards. ???
Then wouldn't that bring Marvin Delph into the discussion?

hawganatic

Quote from: PonderinHog on March 30, 2017, 11:41:02 am
Then wouldn't that bring Marvin Delph into the discussion?

Brings a lot of people into the discussion that are as good or better than the three originally named.

Youngsta71701

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Youngsta71701

Quote from: hawganatic on March 30, 2017, 11:42:54 am
Brings a lot of people into the discussion that are as good or better than the three originally named.
You would think. Maybe he was just talking about "white" "shooting" guards? Hell, who knows. Maybe we should wait on him to explain his line of thinking on this one ???.

I thought about Dillard and Day also. I'm too young to remember Delph but I've heard a lot about his shooting abilities.
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hawganatic

Quote from: Youngsta71701 on March 30, 2017, 11:48:03 am
You would think. Maybe he was just talking about "white" "shooting" guards? Hell, who knows. Maybe we should wait on him to explain his line of thinking on this one ???.

I thought about Dillard and Day also. I'm too young to remember Delph but I've heard a lot about his shooting abilities.

Damn, didn't even think about Day.  Guess I think of him as more of a small forward or a combo player than a shooting guard.  That pretty much ends the discussion on who was the best SG...

labb

well, for you young'ums, do a little research on Martin Terry.

The_Iceman

I might take Pargo over all three.

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Pat Bradley just for the accent.  He's a "shooting god".
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Quote from: dsims2k3 on March 29, 2017, 06:37:02 pm
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Quote from: hawganatic on March 30, 2017, 12:20:10 pm
Damn, didn't even think about Day.  Guess I think of him as more of a small forward or a combo player than a shooting guard.  That pretty much ends the discussion on who was the best SG...

Arkansas's primary starters in 1991-92:

PF Isaiah Morris
SF Todd Day
C Oliver Miller
SG Robert Shepherd
PG Lee Mayberry

Day played on the wing. The whole time Day was at Arkansas, Nolan always started two true guards with Day on the wing.
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Quote from: RealHog on March 31, 2017, 01:29:36 am
I knew we would miss Durham and we did. Having a real PG is like night and day.

Him not being here this season was probably the difference in Moses not getting drafted (if he doesn't) versus getting drafted. I'm hoping Arlando Cook makes a Durham-like jump next season. We saw it with Delvon Johnson, too. Delvon was just really bad as a junior. Couldn't catch anything, just bad. Defensive monsters as a senior and averaged nearly 10 points, 7 rebounds and 3 blocks. That's the biggest JUCO jump for a Hog I've seen in my adult life, followed by Durham. People were okay with Durham's spot getting taken after his junior year. We have to stop doing that to players. It's already starting with Brachen Hazen. It doesn't look to me like he'll get to play much, but he does have a year in the system and we were pleased with his skill level coming in. I'm treating it like a hybrid redshirt season (similar to Trey Thompson's freshman year).

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hawganatic

Quote from: Biggus Piggus on March 31, 2017, 07:56:56 am
Arkansas's primary starters in 1991-92:

PF Isaiah Morris
SF Todd Day
C Oliver Miller
SG Robert Shepherd
PG Lee Mayberry

Day played on the wing. The whole time Day was at Arkansas, Nolan always started two true guards with Day on the wing.

That was a hell of a team. 

ErieHog

Of the original three, its Bradley in a walk--  because he actually understood and played with his defensive limitations, without forcing everyone else to hedge for his shortcomings.
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I like Dusty but I'm taking Bradley all day ;D ;D

niels_boar

It's difficult to compare Bradley and Hannahs becaused they played with different rules and with teammates of different strengths. Bradley played in a defense where it was easier to hide his shortcomings, though he found a way to be an asset in the team defense. It was true of Thurman as well. That defense also created more trey opportunities in transition.  In addition, Reid was a much more dynamic penetrator than the PGs getting Hannahs the ball. Hannahs had the advantage of playing with more offensive talent around him, but that also meant that Bradley was expected to hunt shots.  CNR ran a lot of screens to free him up, and defenses were less universally focused on the arc than they are now. 

Hannahs without question had more scoring tricks than Bradley.  He was better at creating his own shot inside and outside the arc. He also got to the line about 40% more often, partly rule aided.   Hannahs gets the edge on O. I'll give Bradley an edge on defense, but I'm not convinced that he was a lot better on D than Hannahs. Bradley had 50+ steals twice, more than anybody on the team this season.  He's not a better defender than Watkins or Barford.  Which one I would take would depend on the need of the roster.  I'd reserve a slot for either a Dusty or Shootah on any Hog roster.
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