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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2017, 08:23:24 am »

BP was also projected a first round draft pick from day 1 of his second season.

So, how did him leaving catch CMA off guard?
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2017, 08:27:51 am »

So, how did him leaving catch CMA off guard?

Maybe because Anderson and Co. were led to believe he and Q was coming back.  If I remember correctly, it was the belief just weeks before they announced.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2017, 08:29:14 am »

They are going to summit their names without signing with a agent to be evaluated. 

99.9999% chance of a return

I agree.. more or less...
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #53 on: March 20, 2017, 08:31:56 am »

Or you can get stuck playing for a team whose game checks bounce or they just don't pay you (this really happens). There are basketball teams/leagues all over the world but many leagues or teams are prettt sketchy.

You mean Hogville isn't as knowledgeable about foreign basketball leagues as they claim?  Every halfway decent Razorback isn't a lock for hundreds of thousands overseas?
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #54 on: March 20, 2017, 08:50:03 am »

We doesn't always mean that he will actually suit up for the Razorbacks next year.  It may be that he just sees himself as a part of the bigger whole.  For example if Macon said this:

you might assume that Daryl is definitely on the team next year and is hoping that others are going to stay as well.  I'm just going to go ahead and guess that Hollywood_HOGan45 isn't a current player or a recruit (not making fun of the poster I refer to the Hogs as we all the time).

Sorry, yes it's a habit.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #55 on: March 20, 2017, 08:51:29 am »

PBev was suspended for a full season so he left. Qualls was early 2nd, with potential for late 1st with a good combine showing. Barford's kid survived a year with him playing, so I am sure one more year will be alright. If he leaves I will not blame him. The only thing I am saying with 100% certainty is he will not be drafted. No chance. Anyone who says he will is a homer. I had this same argument with half the board last year about Moses and nailed it. I will nail it this year, too, although it doesn't take much more than common sense to know neither will be drafted.

If I remember correctly, Pat Beverly was not suspended, he was expelled from the University for cheating on tests.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #56 on: March 20, 2017, 09:19:41 am »

So, how did him leaving catch CMA off guard?
Not sure why you quoted me because I never said that. I also do not see how that is relevant to the discussion.

Besides, keep Kapita and do not have any suspensions last season and it is easy to see we had potential to be a bubble team. We lost like 5 games with 7 players due to 2 suspended, 1 kicked off, and Kapita not qualifying. Still went 16-16(9-9). Add Kapita and Jacorey, and play all season with a full roster and we probably win 3-4 more games.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #57 on: March 20, 2017, 09:20:49 am »

If I remember correctly, Pat Beverly was not suspended, he was expelled from the University for cheating on tests.
Which in return, suspends him from the basketball team for a season. It was not tests, either. He used a paper that was not his own.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #58 on: March 20, 2017, 09:27:48 am »

When asked directly Macon replied "no comment". I expect both to stay but you never know who is giving these kids advice and whether or not they will listen to the proper advice.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #59 on: March 20, 2017, 09:37:46 am »

When asked directly Macon replied "no comment". I expect both to stay but you never know who is giving these kids advice and whether or not they will listen to the proper advice.
and then followed that up with we just lost a game to end our season, I do not want to talk about anything else so please stop asking questions. Barford proceeded to say we will be good next year with everyone we return plus bring in. Macon could leave, but he has always talked like his dream is to make the NBA. That dream is all but over if he leaves this year.


Before, guys would not always listen to the proper advice because they were not given as much feedback. Now, you basically get told from the NBA whether to stay or go through combine invites and combine feedback. If you do not listen to them, then you are to blame, not anyone in your ear.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2017, 09:45:54 am »

Neither one of these guys would be a first round pick. Would be lucky to get drafted...

Much less a second round pick
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #61 on: March 20, 2017, 09:50:09 am »

I think if both of these guys are good to go in the classroom (something people often don't consider), they'll go ahead and enter their names in the draft to get feedback and workout for teams if offered the chance, and ultimately return if the do not receive an invite to the combine in Chicago (which they do not figure to like Moses last year). Either one of these guys could be the SEC Player of the Year next year, so I can't see them walking about if the feedback they get is that they'll likely be undrafted. Unless they don't have the grades, that is.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2017, 10:00:44 am »

I think if both of these guys are good to go in the classroom (something people often don't consider), they'll go ahead and enter their names in the draft to get feedback and workout for teams if offered the chance, and ultimately return if the do not receive an invite to the combine in Chicago (which they do not figure to like Moses last year). Either one of these guys could be the SEC Player of the Year next year, so I can't see them walking about if the feedback they get is that they'll likely be undrafted. Unless they don't have the grades, that is.
This is exactly how it will play out barring bad grades. Everyone will freak out that they are gone like they did when Moses entered. Neither will be invited to the combine more than likely. If one is invited we will have reason to worry.


Just to compare, guys like Melo Trimble, Nigel Williams-Goss, and Frank Mason are currently projected to go in the bottom half of the 2nd round. If anyone on here thinks our guys are in their league right now, then you have not watched enough basketball.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #63 on: March 20, 2017, 10:24:22 am »

Much less a second round pick

There are only two rounds.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2017, 10:31:33 am »

There are only two rounds.
Yes, which means he thinks he goes undrafted. He is right in his assessment.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2017, 10:32:47 am »

Where do yall think Dusty is playing next year? He's definitely good enough to play professionally, though I would be surprised if he ever made the NBA.
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« Reply #66 on: March 20, 2017, 10:50:28 am »

Where do yall think Dusty is playing next year? He's definitely good enough to play professionally, though I would be surprised if he ever made the NBA.

Seems like the kind of player who does well in the Australian league. Believe Rotnei had some good success down there. Terrance Ferguson played down their this season after he couldn't get eligible for college. I'm assuming the pay is okay, but it'd be pretty fun to live down their for a couple of years.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2017, 12:24:32 pm »

I like both players but to be honest the number of 6-2 to 6-4 players trying to get in the NBA is too many to count! With only a few rounds teams really have to be careful with their picks. So smallish 2 guards better be outstanding to draft. I hope no one is in their ear telling them to declare this year or if they are that these kids don't listen.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #68 on: March 20, 2017, 12:51:08 pm »

and then followed that up with we just lost a game to end our season, I do not want to talk about anything else so please stop asking questions. Barford proceeded to say we will be good next year with everyone we return plus bring in. Macon could leave, but he has always talked like his dream is to make the NBA. That dream is all but over if he leaves this year.


Before, guys would not always listen to the proper advice because they were not given as much feedback. Now, you basically get told from the NBA whether to stay or go through combine invites and combine feedback. If you do not listen to them, then you are to blame, not anyone in your ear.
It would be nice if the NFL would also do this.  And if the NCAA allowed the kids who werent drafted to come back to school.  Bielema was trying to spearhead some rules to allow this but i am not sure how far it got.  Imagine if Denver Kirkland had been allowed to come back after not being drafted ?   Our OLine would have been pretty dang good,  Kirkland undoubtedly would have been a 3rd round (at least) OL draft  i am guessing.  It would have helped the kid, it would have helped the UA, it would have helped everyone.  I cant really see a negative by not allowing the NFL kids that dont get drafted to come back to school.  But, since it might possibly help the kid, the NCAA isn't going to do it.  That's about how they operate.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #69 on: March 20, 2017, 03:44:41 pm »

NBA is not the only pro league. You can make a heck of a living playing over seas.
Sure, but I don't know many that REALLY want to go play overseas. Unless of course that is their only option after graduation or unless they come from overseas somewhere in the first place.
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« Reply #70 on: March 20, 2017, 03:46:01 pm »

They both can make more money overseas than their degree will ever bring them.  With Barford's play the last month and a half he will get drafted second round.  Gone.
Barford is not getting drafted after this year period. Sorry. If he works on his 3 point shot he definitely has a chance at be drafted after next year.
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« Reply #71 on: March 20, 2017, 03:47:26 pm »

Save my post.
Are you an NBA agent or GM or something?
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #72 on: March 20, 2017, 03:50:27 pm »

Other than them talking about being one and done in the preseason.
Are either one and done type players?
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« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2017, 03:51:06 pm »

I don't see any player on this team making it in the NBA.  Moses might be drafted, but I highly doubt he can cut it.
That means Mike should be the coach of the year then huh?
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« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2017, 03:54:30 pm »

So, how did him leaving catch CMA off guard?
I think his loyalty to the state is the reason it caught CMA and others off guard. For that reason most thought he would stay another year. Hell, Corliss did after winning a NC and he was much better than Bobby.
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« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2017, 03:56:16 pm »

It doesn't make all that much sense to leave school early to play overseas unless, I guess, you just really hate school or really need some kind of income outside of welfare/financial aid money. If that's what your outlook looks like, why not come back for another year and try to up your NBA stock or even your general professional basketball stock? Rookies do not make life-changing money overseas. I've already illustrated that some pro teams sometimes don't even pay their players. Game checks bounce. I remember last summer reading a player on Twitter say he didn't get paid for entire season overseas! This stuff really happens. The overseas leagues also value maturity more than the NBA. The NBA wants to get players young and mold them how they want. Overseas teams want players that are ready to play and already developed. They junior clubs to develop young players, so in a foreign player, they want someone who can already play. Unlike the NBA, playing that senior season and coming overseas at 22 instead of 21 is actually more attractive to those teams.

There is no way Barford, shooting less than 27% from 3 at 6'3, is going to be an NBA draft pick. We should have all learned this lesson with B.J. Young (I know I did). He's got to shoot better and show better playmaking/decision-making ability to be considered a draft candidate.
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« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2017, 03:58:37 pm »

Where do yall think Dusty is playing next year? He's definitely good enough to play professionally, though I would be surprised if he ever made the NBA.
Wherever Rotnei Clark or Jimmer Fredette is playing.
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« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2017, 04:08:28 pm »

Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.
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« Reply #78 on: March 20, 2017, 04:38:27 pm »

Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

O boy..
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« Reply #79 on: March 20, 2017, 04:50:30 pm »

Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

I despise Monk and Fox for no other reason than being at KY.  I love AR players.  My love and disdain still allow me to objectively see that Monk and Fox are ferraris and our players are cadillacs, Monk and Fox are Thoroughbreds and our players are Quarter Horses, they are steak and shrimp and we are a good spaghetti dinner, and etc...
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« Reply #80 on: March 20, 2017, 04:53:30 pm »

Didn't even make all SEC first or second team. I don't think our fans watch the games or NBA level talent.

Has little to do with whether or not hog fans think they are NBA talents and so much to do with our history of losing key players at inopportune times to the draft without much if a reason to enter.
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« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2017, 05:17:06 pm »

According to the U.S. Dept. Of Labor, college graduates earn an average of 61% more per year than those without degrees.  There is life after basketball. The European League will be there when these guys graduate.  A great senior year will help with a shot at the NBA draft.

I have been very impressed with Barfield and Macon and think they'll be back.
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« Reply #83 on: March 20, 2017, 06:26:43 pm »

BP was also projected a first round draft pick from day 1 of his second season.

As soon as Portis grew 2 inches between his Fr and Soph year he became a 1st round guy.
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« Reply #84 on: March 20, 2017, 06:51:05 pm »

Where do yall think Dusty is playing next year? He's definitely good enough to play professionally, though I would be surprised if he ever made the NBA.

Israel, Iceland, or the second tier Russia/Italy/Greece leagues.
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« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2017, 07:26:33 pm »

As soon as Portis grew 2 inches between his Fr and Soph year he became a 1st round guy.
He was listed at 6'10" on ESPN entering college. He was listed at 6'11" by the U of A, which was an inch taller, like every college team does on their roster. He was measured at 6'9" 3/4 at the combine.

Also, he was projected a 1st round pick after his freshman year, but it was late. The feedback told him he would be a lottery pick if he worked on certain aspects, and was projected a lottery pick his entire sophomore year. He fell in the draft, but was  expected to be a 1st even after his freshman year.
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« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2017, 07:55:36 pm »

Check to see if Barford and Macon are attending class and making passable grades.
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« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2017, 09:20:48 pm »

Dudley just posted an article and Barford was quoted at the end of it.

“I guess it’s good we showed the entire country what we were all about,” Barford said. “We have a lot returning, and we will be back next year.”

Sounds like Macon and Barford both will be returning. Thank goodness.


I took that comment to mean that Arkansas will be back next year, not any specific individual player.
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« Reply #88 on: March 20, 2017, 10:02:40 pm »

I'm not sure anyone on this team will make an NBA roster. If any underclassmen leave then that's just dumb.
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« Reply #89 on: March 21, 2017, 06:10:45 am »

I think his loyalty to the state is the reason it caught CMA and others off guard. For that reason most though he would stay another year. Hell, Corliss did after winning a NC and he was much better than Bobby.


There weren't any one and dones or even two and dones back then.
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« Reply #90 on: March 21, 2017, 09:27:21 am »

Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

Oh the irony in your post compared to when you post in the football section, it's mental.
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« Reply #91 on: March 21, 2017, 09:32:10 am »

Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

Ok. Well fortunately for us the People that get paid to scout these guys don't agree with you
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« Reply #92 on: March 21, 2017, 09:41:32 am »

Check to see if Barford and Macon are attending class and making passable grades.

How do you propose we do that? lol
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« Reply #93 on: March 21, 2017, 09:45:22 am »

He was listed at 6'10" on ESPN entering college. He was listed at 6'11" by the U of A, which was an inch taller, like every college team does on their roster. He was measured at 6'9" 3/4 at the combine.

Also, he was projected a 1st round pick after his freshman year, but it was late. The feedback told him he would be a lottery pick if he worked on certain aspects, and was projected a lottery pick his entire sophomore year. He fell in the draft, but was  expected to be a 1st even after his freshman year.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Bobby-Portis-7167/?pt=2

6'9" with shoes at the Hoops Summit in 2013. 6' 10.5" NBA draft.

He was a projected borderline first rounder by some websites. However, every year kids that start in the last first round projections end up late second round or undrafted after all the workouts have been completed and the actual draft takes place
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« Reply #94 on: March 21, 2017, 09:49:21 am »

Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

Wow.
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« Reply #95 on: March 21, 2017, 10:35:32 am »

Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.
The people that get paid to make those evaluations HIGHLY disagree with you.
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Re: Jucos Returning
« Reply #96 on: March 21, 2017, 10:42:38 am »

Some of you don't recognize talent when you see it. I've watched enough college ball this year to know that these guys, at their positions, are some of the best in their league.  Barford is just as good as Monk imo, its just that Monk and many first rounders like him are surrounded by many more talented players. I also would consider Macon to be on the same level as a Fox from Kentucky as well.

You cannot be serious.
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« Reply #97 on: March 21, 2017, 11:25:02 am »


There weren't any one and dones or even two and dones back then.
Nope, he could have gone straight out of high school. Your point being...
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« Reply #98 on: March 21, 2017, 11:26:10 am »

You cannot be serious.
He is. That's the scary part.
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« Reply #99 on: March 21, 2017, 02:12:50 pm »

If they weren't anywhere near good enough to leave, then there definitely wouldn't be this much discussion going on about it all.
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