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What happened to our offense at the end?

Started by TheEnemy, March 19, 2017, 07:21:29 pm

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TheEnemy

I know there was some bad calls but we had 3 possessions that we did nothing.

I don't understand...no movement, no passes, its like we froze.

code red

"If what you did yesterday seems big, you haven't done anything today."  Dr. Lou

 

JonClaudeVanHam

We had three players with cramps on the floor. We were already outmatched​athl
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We had three players with cramps on the floor. We were already outmatched ​athletically; trying to run a motion handicapped was impossible.
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ErieHog

We needed a minimum of 2 legitimate scoring threats on the court at the same time, to execute in the half court all day.

Beard and Bailey and a Moses off his offensive game, and it becomes a steep hill to climb on a number of possessions in the last 4 minutes, where offensive efficiency went out the window.
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WorfHog

The refs took the game over just like they do every time.

ErieHog

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

WoodyHog

Our guys were gassed. Had to be at 100% effort in every facet to get to that point and they ran out of steam.

Ironhawg

Carolina extended their defense, cut off the passing lanes and really put pressure on the ball handler.  It didn't look like we had an answer.

Danny J

They also started playing super tight man knowing late they had only been called foe 3 fouls so they took the risk.

Letsroll1200

We didn't have Barford st 100% and that out of bounds call was a killer.

Knot2brite

Extreme fatigue leads to poor execution at times
Usually in EI where intelligent conversation is required

 

Danny J

Quote from: Ironhawg on March 19, 2017, 07:26:18 pm
Carolina extended their defense, cut off the passing lanes and really put pressure on the ball handler.  It didn't look like we had an answer.
Beat me to it...that's the benefit of only being called for 3 fouls...they were able to play tight and we were too tired to beat them off the dribble

Danny J

Quote from: Knot2brite on March 19, 2017, 07:27:23 pm
Extreme fatigue leads to poor execution at times
They did to us what we did to SH. They also benefited from not really having any first round competition.  The fact the game was close and we had a chance late speaks volumes about our heart

Sharky

Quote from: code red on March 19, 2017, 07:22:39 pm
Selfish play that's what.

I'm not sure it was intentional. Players got tight. They mentally overthought everything and couldn't see the court. They didn't get the ball to Dusty for a dagger a couple times when he was wide open and could have put us up eight. In other words, we fell apart, largely due to our lack of experience in these situations. We outplayed them, but made a few mental mistakes down the stretch.

Sucks to lose this way, but it was a great effort, and I think CMA can use this season to help bring in the recruits he wants.

fullfan

Quote from: Ironhawg on March 19, 2017, 07:26:18 pm
Carolina extended their defense, cut off the passing lanes and really put pressure on the ball handler.  It didn't look like we had an answer.

This^^^^^.   Plus we were standing around without setting offball screens to get open.   Team played well, tired at the end and NC stepped up D once they got ref helped momentum.

Soooie21

Barford and Hannah killed us...Barford stops the offensive flow and plays 1 on 5...Hannah can't handle the ball...both slow down the offense..

Hawg Red

Quote from: TheEnemy on March 19, 2017, 07:21:29 pm
I know there was some bad calls but we had 3 possessions that we did nothing.

I don't understand...no movement, no passes, its like we froze.

We didn't have enough juice to overcome the stripes. Period. We fought all day long and they kept taking it away from us until we didn't have anything left.

southarkhog06

Quote from: code red on March 19, 2017, 07:22:39 pm
Selfish play that's what.
go back to your miserable hole, the kids ran out of gas from giving 110% the whole game nothing selfish about it.

Breems

Completely panicked and froze up. Dribbled around for 30 seconds and chucked 3s.

Barford and Hannahs were ineffective tonight due to UNC's length. Their drives to the hoop were automatic turnovers. Combined, they were 7/21 with 11 TOs.

Pretty amazing that we were able to keep it close. Macon used his quickness to get around their length and was hot from the field.
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The answer most people won't accept is that UNC simply played incredible defense like the #1 seed they are. Everywhere we turned there was a defender in their face. We do that to teams at time, even did it tonight at times. They did it to us. Really really good defense makes any offense look bad. That's nothing to be ashamed of.

hog golf

Lack of any type of offensive plan. One guy dribbles, no penetration, shot clock forces up some desparation and thats what you get. Proud of the team though- they never quit. NC defense stepped up hard and we had no answer.
This is the time that the coach has to draw up something and get his team believing- not throw up prayers.

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sickboy

North Carolina's defense wasn't chopped liver either. Those guys rose to the occasion and played really freaking tough the last few minutes.

 

ricepig

Quote from: Breems on March 19, 2017, 07:32:59 pm
Completely panicked and froze up. Dribbled around for 30 seconds and chucked 3s.

Barford and Hannahs were ineffective tonight due to UNC's length. Their drives to the hoop were automatic turnovers. Combined, they were 7/21 with 11 TOs.

Pretty amazing that we were able to keep it close. Macon used his quickness to get around their length and was hot from the field.

Yep, needed another scorer to step up. Too much, I'm feeling it at the end, instead of some motion we were running. Their length definitely played a part, Dusty was overmatched most of the time.

GoHogs1091

Poor spacing.

Too much one-on-one ball.

Both are results of poor fundamental basketball.

The magnitude of the above gets amplified during crunch time.

Sow Lancelot

Quote from: TheEnemy on March 19, 2017, 07:21:29 pm
I know there was some bad calls but we had 3 possessions that we did nothing.

I don't understand...no movement, no passes, its like we froze.
We stopped attacking, got deep in the shot clock, forcing ourselves into terrible shots.
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Nihil boni sine labore, sic vis pacem, para bellum.

HawgHeadCheese

We just ran out of gas. Our guys really left everything out there. I've never watched a game where 3 guys went down with injuries or cramps. It was like watching a sec football game. This was a dog fight to the end.

Sow Lancelot

March 19, 2017, 07:39:13 pm #28 Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 08:31:24 pm by Sow Lancelot
Quote from: Ironhawg on March 19, 2017, 07:26:18 pm
Carolina extended their defense, cut off the passing lanes and really put pressure on the ball handler.  It didn't look like we had an answer.
Unfortunately, in the last three minutes our answer appeared to be to have the ball-handler stop in the corner and then direct traffic with NO movement from anyone else for 15 seconds; now time to panic.
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LZH

Quote from: Breems on March 19, 2017, 07:32:59 pm
Completely panicked and froze up. Dribbled around for 30 seconds and chucked 3s.

Barford and Hannahs were ineffective tonight due to UNC's length. Their drives to the hoop were automatic turnovers. Combined, they were 7/21 with 11 TOs.

Pretty amazing that we were able to keep it close. Macon used his quickness to get around their length and was hot from the field.

^^^^^^

It's a shame that we have absolutely no idea what to do at the end of a game like that.  It was great seeing us play toe-to-toe with them, but when we had a chance to ice it we stood around waiting for someone to throw up a prayer from 25 feet.  Did MA not tell them what to do?...or did they just not do what he said?

passinghog

We were gassed. The reason why Barford dribbled so much was because he didn't have the juice to get past anyone after the injury. It wasn't due to us getting worn down by UNC, we wore ourselves down because the only way we could win was to extend our defense like we did. If Jaylen doesn't hurt his hammy, 50/50 chance we hang on.

southarkhog06

When all you fatasses can go toe to toe with the best team in the country, then you can come on here and talk about how "poor" these kids played at the end. Until then STFU, and congratulate these kids on one hell of a season.

East TN HAWG

Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2017, 07:24:24 pm
We won the slow down game all day.   That wasn't the issue.

No offense Erie, but it is amazing how people can see the same game and come out with a different view.  I felt the opposite.  When we tried to run our offense, their length and speed really affected us.  When we tried to push it in transition, we scored more easily.  I don't know how many to times we tried drive the baseline  and they cut us off forcing a turnover. 

Hogimus Prime

UNC goes like 6'6" to 6'8" and 6'10" at the 2-4 Hogs were running a 3 guard lineup with a 6'6" kid at the 4.  That caught up to Hogs.

rupert


ErieHog

Quote from: East TN HAWG on March 19, 2017, 07:45:58 pm
No offense Erie, but it is amazing how people can see the same game and come out with a different view.  I felt the opposite.  When we tried to run our offense, their length and speed really affected us.  When we tried to push it in transition, we scored more easily.  I don't know how many to times we tried drive the baseline  and they cut us off forcing a turnover. 

Watch the game and chart the possessions.

We were much, much better when the shot clock ran under 17, than when we shot before then.

And Carolina shot about 27% in their halfcourt sets.    They'd have had no offense whatsoever, without transition today.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogsanity

What happened was it stopped being an up and down the floor game and went back to what it was when NC jumped out to the big 1st half lead. Hogs couldn't handle the size in half court situations.
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ricepig

Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2017, 07:47:30 pm
Watch the game and chart the possessions.

We were much, much better when the shot clock ran under 17, than when we shot before then.

And Carolina shot about 27% in their halfcourt sets.    They'd have had no offense whatsoever, without transition today.
Correct, transition and offensive boards was their offense for 75% of the game. We've never been a great set piece team, just get used to it, I have.

East TN HAWG

Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2017, 07:47:30 pm
Watch the game and chart the possessions.

We were much, much better when the shot clock ran under 17, than when we shot before then.

And Carolina shot about 27% in their halfcourt sets.    They'd have had no offense whatsoever, without transition today.

We may have been better then their half court O, but our offensive efficiency was much  better in transition.  Their length really affected us in the half court. 


ErieHog

Quote from: East TN HAWG on March 19, 2017, 07:52:31 pm
We may have been better then their half court O, but our offensive efficiency was much  better in transition.  Their length really affected us in the half court. 

Our offensive efficiency in transition was not that good;  in the 1st half, it was absolutely abysmal, though it did pick up significantly in the middle 10 minutes of the 2nd half.

Overall, we shot a little better in the halfcourt than we did in transition-- which is severely messed up, as transition opportunities should be easier ones, often at the rim itself.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: code red on March 19, 2017, 07:22:39 pm
Selfish play that's what.

Alright man, you don't really have to give me your house, but you do need to either make a public statement that says I am letting you out of it.  It would also be nice if you would admit that you're wrong and start acting like your knowledge is so great either.

Corkscrew Johnson

Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2017, 07:24:24 pm
We won the slow down game all day.   That wasn't the issue.

Omg.  Most inaccurate post of the year?

We got tired at the end.  Not enough horses that can play with that level of competition.  Dusty was overmatched, but I'll take him shooting a pull up 3 every time down the court over our last 6-8 possessions.  He's bound to hit two of them.

lc480

At the last when Berry run over our player something should have been either a charge or a blocking foul!!!!!!!!!!!!

rzrbackramsfan

Quote from: ErieHog on March 19, 2017, 07:59:53 pm
Our offensive efficiency in transition was not that good;  in the 1st half, it was absolutely abysmal, though it did pick up significantly in the middle 10 minutes of the 2nd half.

Overall, we shot a little better in the halfcourt than we did in transition-- which is severely messed up, as transition opportunities should be easier ones, often at the rim itself.

Eries right.  We did well in our half court offense.

East TN HAWG

The last 4 minutes of the game we got zero in half court.  We tried all three pointers with two or three defenders on it.  It was horrible. 

realistichog

I do believe we tightened up at the end when we realized we had a chance to win.

maxhog5

Razorbacks stopped executing and as they have been prone to do the last few years at times, began dribbling too much and standing around on the perimeter.

Mike Irwin

This team when way farther that it should have without a true point guard. Barford, Macon & Hannahs had 14 turnovers. Yes, Barford and Macon were gassed but Arkansas needs a really good point guard in the worst way in order to run its offense. Imagine how much better Barford and Macon will be next year if they have somebody to get them the ball instead of having to create their own shots?

Mike Anderson is working on it. It's the biggest recruiting need he has and he knows it.

maxhog5

Quote from: Mike Irwin on March 19, 2017, 08:11:42 pm
This team when way farther that it should have without a true point guard. Barford, Macon & Hannahs had 14 turnovers. Yes, Barford and Macon were gassed but Arkansas needs a really good point guard in the worst way in order to run its offense. Imagine how much better Barford and Macon will be next year if they have somebody to get them the ball instead of having to create their own shots?

Mik e Anderson is working on it. It's the biggest recruiting need he has and he knows it.

If he finds someone who doesn't come back or am I wrong about Arkansas scholarships being full?