Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls

[jfred59]

^^^^^

This! Egads! How do you miss that major walk and the ensuring charge! Those two combined calls led to the offensive put back and their lead. That to me was a turning point. Good grief.

In before Hogsanity

When you have been instructed on who will win and paid well to take care of it.   

[hogfan10]

The problem though is that our player was not in a legal guarding position because he was not set.

No, the problem is you don't know/understand the rule. You DO NOT have to be set to draw a charge.
You can be moving, if you have established position in front of the offensive player.

[lilRockNDubb]

Berry charged and traveled on same play with 45 or so seconds left and score 65-66 NC.   Should have been hogs ball but instead is a NC 3pt lead.   Game changed on that pitiful missed double call.

He threw an elbow as well during that play. Not only should it have been a charge but also a flagrant 1 foul.

[hogfan10]

He threw an elbow as well during that play

Eerily similar to Hannahs in the Kentucky game.

[hogsanity]

In before Hogsanity

When you have been instructed on who will win and paid well to take care of it.   

If you beleive games are rigged then why watch?

[GoHogs1091]

No, the problem is you don't know/understand the rule. You DO NOT have to be set to draw a charge.
You can be moving, if you have established position in front of the offensive player.

How can you have established position if your not set?

Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).

[hogsanity]

How can you have established position if your not set?

Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).

You can be moving and draw a charge or player control foul. You can not be moving after a player leaves his feet and draw a charge, but that has no bearing on the situation in question.

[hogfan10]

How can you have established position if your not set?

Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).

If my chest is in front of you, you can't run me over. Doesn't matter if my feet are glued to the floor or not, I've established my space.

[elkhog]

Razorbacks played well and lost. No shame in that. Lament the missed opportunity, but Carolina was simply better down the stretch.

Better?  No.  More disciplined, yes.  I think our talent is as good as theirs. 

[hogfan10]

You can be moving and draw a charge or player control foul. You can not be moving after a player leaves his feet and draw a charge, but that has no bearing on the situation in question.

Correct, I can't move in after you have left the floor to draw a charge.

[Sow Lancelot]

How can you have established position if your not set?

Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).

Because you don't have to be set, just in controlled position in front of the player. Do you really not know this?

[Cinco de Hogo]

Nope, if anything it was block foul by our player.

The bottom line is that a defender has to be set.

Regardless, the refs decided to not make any call.

I'm gonna ask a very simple question, why do they call fouls on a dribbler when he extends his arm to push off a defender?

Of course that call is only called on Arkansas so maybe you do have a point.

[la20688]

Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).

So incorrect. You're saying you've never seen an offensive foul called when the defender was moving?  A defender has a right to space on the floor as well, and Baily was in position. Add to that the face of Berry pushing off with and extending his arm. Pretty easy call....or at least should have been.

[WorfHog]

i must be blind because I sure didn't see Arkansas score in the last 3:30 of the game. A few questionable calls or no calls doesn't change that. Only a blind homer can't see that.

Hey Randy how'd the Ohio State Buckeyes do in the tourney, oh wait they didn't make one...

Go find another board you troll!

[alohawg]

Quotes from a Carolina fan immediately following the game.


"Lol refs saved the **** out of us.

Survive and Advance, I suppose."


"If I'm an Arkansas fan, I'm probably screaming about the refs."

https://northcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/hogs-vs-heels-sunday-19-march-2017-dance-lesson-number-two.52164/page-7

[GoHogs1091]

Because you don't have to be set, just in controlled position in front of the player. Do you really not know this?

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

[hogfan10]

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

You need to just stop, you don't have a clue.

[theFlyingHog]

Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).

Then why do they keep calling Barford for pushing off? Hello

[GoshenHog]

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

Your position is demonstrably false and is at odds with the rules of college basketball.  But keep digging anyway.

[BannerMountainMan]

only one team complains about officiating. The loser. They were outplayed. The last 3:34 of the game when they couldn't score and Carolina finished on a 12-0 run. Score a little and maybe complain. Carolina was the better team. Razorbacks played great for 37 minutes. Couldn't get it done the last 3.

is that why even sports center is complaining about the officiating??

[Biggus Piggus]

They called 4 fouls on UNC the entire 2nd Half. Just saying.

This.

[Sow Lancelot]

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

Well, then I'm not sure why you waste your time watching the game.

And, one last time, Barford was called for a foul in the exact same scenario which you find incomprehensible earlier in the half.

Well, obtuse or jackass, we all know now.

[Hootiethehog]

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

I have never seen anyone be as obtuse as you are about something. You could not be more wrong about the drivel you're spouting, but instead of actually listening to people who know, like actual referees on this board, you double and triple down on the blatantly stupid argument.

Any time that arm gets extended to shove a player away by the ball handler, it is a charge.

I can't comprehend that you do not get this simple fact of basketball. Unless of course, this is a masterful troll job, then kudos good sir.

[GoHogs1091]

I have never seen anyone be as obtuse as you are about something. You could not be more wrong about the drivel you're spouting, but instead of actually listening to people who know, like actual referees on this board, you double and triple down on the blatantly stupid argument.

Any time that arm gets extended to shove a player away by the ball handler, it is a charge.

I can't comprehend that you do not get this simple fact of basketball. Unless of course, this is a masterful troll job, then kudos good sir.

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

[alohawg]

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

It was something, either block or charge, but it sure as heck wasn't a no call situation. Who benefited, Carolina. No need to shoot free throws when the refs swallow their whistle allowing a lay-up instead.

[azhog10]

Better?  No.  More disciplined, yes.  I think our talent is as good as theirs.

No offense but our talent doesn't scratch the surface of theirs.

[azhog10]

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

Then it was a travel. They didn't call a block, so if it was a play on then it was indeed a travel.

[Little Lady Back]

They called 4 fouls on UNC the entire 2nd Half. Just saying.

Let that sink in! What a hosing!!

[onebadrubi]

Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).

Completely wrong.  You are trying to defend your original point and you are completely incorrect t

[Razorback_Mack]

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

They would tell anybody right now that it was a walk in the least. A monkey could tell you that.

[onebadrubi]

If you beleive games are rigged then why watch?

Why do women watch lifetime movies? They know the story

[jfred59]

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

I would love to get to take it up with them.   

[Razorback_Mack]

I would love to get to take it up with them.

You ain't kidding. Post of the year.

[HawgnCorona]

The lack of foul calls on UNC is an even bigger story....we win this game had they called it even.

[Hootiethehog]

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

That is everyone's point in this thread that the call was missed/just not called. You're the only one to seem that the guy with the ball can just bulldoze any defender who is not standing like a statue directly squared up in front of the ball handler.

[PORKULATOR]

No offense but our talent doesn't scratch the surface of theirs.

well then our hearts scratched holes in those blue bloods tonight. We're obviously void of any talent.

[PORKULATOR]

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

You sir, are a piece.....

[cypert2]

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

Bud, you need some more work on your troll game.

[GoHogs1091]

I would love to get to take it up with them.   

All things considered, I felt it was the best officiating the Hogs had for a game all season.  The 3 officials today are good.

1 of the officials today has officiated for over 30 years, which includes officiating in the NBA.

The officiating today was better than the garbage that occurs in the SEC from Doug Shows, Tom Eades, and Doug Sirmons.

[HogHomer]

I never understood the need to always be on the opposite side of an argument. You are obviously wrong but choose not to see it. You are just losing any credibility you had.

[Youngsta71701]

Yep, three calls went their way that shouldn't have and there goes the ball game. Moses missing those free throws could have made it a lot more interesting though. But ole well can't make them all. It turned out to be a good year. 26-10. Not much to complain about there.

[hogsanity]

Let that sink in! What a hosing!!

Hogs only had 4 fouls in the 2nd half at home against a&m, did a&m get hosed?

[sowmonella]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/north-carolina-edges-upset-minded-arkansas-despite-poor-shooting-performance-010910985.html

Front page Yahoo Story on the pizz poor officiating.

[Youngsta71701]

All things considered, I felt it was the best officiating the Hogs had for a game all season.  The 3 officials today are good.

1 of the officials today has officiated for over 30 years, which includes officiating in the NBA.

The officiating today was better than the garbage that occurs in the SEC from Doug Shows, Tom Eades, and Doug Sirmons.

It was good up until the last 3 minutes when we got up 65-60. They took over the game down the stretch. How many fouls did they get away with again? Then you call that weak foul on Bailey on the steal when we could have gone up 67-60. Straight bull!! That call right there kept them in the game.

[alohawg]

It was good up until the last 3 minutes when we got up 65-60. They took over the game down the stretch. How many fouls did they get away with again? Then you call that weak foul on Bailey on the steal when we could have gone up 67-60. Straight bull!! That call right there kept them in the game.

And took the momentum.

[sowmonella]

https://thehillnews.net/news/March-Madness-2017:-Poor-officiating-costs-Arkansas-in-loss-to-North-Carolina-(Video)

:razorback:

[TebowHater]

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/03/refs-officiating-ncaa-tournament-joel-berry-ii-unc-north-carolina-arkansas-video

[Hootiethehog]

https://thehillnews.net/news/March-Madness-2017:-Poor-officiating-costs-Arkansas-in-loss-to-North-Carolina-(Video)

:razorback:

My phone isn't showing a video on that site. My wife had to miss the game and I wanted to show her the last three minutes to fully explain what happened. Anyone know where I can find something like that?

[GoHogs1091]

I never understood the need to always be on the opposite side of an argument. You are obviously wrong but choose not to see it. You are just losing any credibility you had.

A no-call is what is the tendency to occur at the end of a game.

It is our job to block-out Kennedy Meeks.  We block out properly then NC wouldn't have scored.

[XavierZane]

I'm surprised and happy that the poor calls, both on us and in general, are getting some attention and traction nationally.