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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2017, 08:21:25 pm »

They called 4 fouls on UNC the entire 2nd Half. Just saying.

That's what stood out to me.   Four fouls the entire second half? 
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2017, 08:22:15 pm »

Nope, if anything it was block foul by our player.

The bottom line is that a defender has to be set.

Regardless, the refs decided to not make any call.
Either you are being obtuse or a jackass. Barford was called for an offensive push off earlier in the half in the same scenario.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2017, 08:22:33 pm »

^^^^^

This! Egads! How do you miss that major walk and the ensuring charge! Those two combined calls led to the offensive put back and their lead. That to me was a turning point. Good grief.

In before Hogsanity

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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2017, 08:22:56 pm »

The problem though is that our player was not in a legal guarding position because he was not set.

No, the problem is you don't know/understand the rule. You DO NOT have to be set to draw a charge.
You can be moving, if you have established position in front of the offensive player.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2017, 08:25:10 pm »

Berry charged and traveled on same play with 45 or so seconds left and score 65-66 NC.   Should have been hogs ball but instead is a NC 3pt lead.   Game changed on that pitiful missed double call.

He threw an elbow as well during that play. Not only should it have been a charge but also a flagrant 1 foul.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2017, 08:26:07 pm »

He threw an elbow as well during that play

Eerily similar to Hannahs in the Kentucky game.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #56 on: March 19, 2017, 08:27:14 pm »

In before Hogsanity

When you have been instructed on who will win and paid well to take care of it.   

If you beleive games are rigged then why watch?
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #57 on: March 19, 2017, 08:30:50 pm »

No, the problem is you don't know/understand the rule. You DO NOT have to be set to draw a charge.
You can be moving, if you have established position in front of the offensive player.

How can you have established position if your not set?

Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #58 on: March 19, 2017, 08:35:01 pm »

How can you have established position if your not set?

Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).

You can be moving and draw a charge or player control foul. You can not be moving after a player leaves his feet and draw a charge, but that has no bearing on the situation in question.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #59 on: March 19, 2017, 08:36:00 pm »

How can you have established position if your not set?

Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).

If my chest is in front of you, you can't run me over. Doesn't matter if my feet are glued to the floor or not, I've established my space.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2017, 08:36:10 pm »

Razorbacks played well and lost. No shame in that. Lament the missed opportunity, but Carolina was simply better down the stretch.

Better?  No.  More disciplined, yes.  I think our talent is as good as theirs. 
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2017, 08:37:37 pm »

You can be moving and draw a charge or player control foul. You can not be moving after a player leaves his feet and draw a charge, but that has no bearing on the situation in question.

Correct, I can't move in after you have left the floor to draw a charge.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2017, 08:37:58 pm »

How can you have established position if your not set?

Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).
Because you don't have to be set, just in controlled position in front of the player. Do you really not know this?
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2017, 08:38:38 pm »

Nope, if anything it was block foul by our player.

The bottom line is that a defender has to be set.

Regardless, the refs decided to not make any call.

I'm gonna ask a very simple question, why do they call fouls on a dribbler when he extends his arm to push off a defender?

Of course that call is only called on Arkansas so maybe you do have a point.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2017, 08:40:48 pm »

Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).
So incorrect. You're saying you've never seen an offensive foul called when the defender was moving?  A defender has a right to space on the floor as well, and Baily was in position. Add to that the face of Berry pushing off with and extending his arm. Pretty easy call....or at least should have been.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2017, 08:41:26 pm »

i must be blind because I sure didn't see Arkansas score in the last 3:30 of the game. A few questionable calls or no calls doesn't change that. Only a blind homer can't see that.

Hey Randy how'd the Ohio State Buckeyes do in the tourney, oh wait they didn't make one...

Go find another board you troll!
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2017, 08:42:28 pm »

Quotes from a Carolina fan immediately following the game.


"Lol refs saved the **** out of us.

Survive and Advance, I suppose."



"If I'm an Arkansas fan, I'm probably screaming about the refs."

https://northcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/hogs-vs-heels-sunday-19-march-2017-dance-lesson-number-two.52164/page-7
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2017, 08:43:08 pm »

Because you don't have to be set, just in controlled position in front of the player. Do you really not know this?

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2017, 08:45:18 pm »

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

You need to just stop, you don't have a clue.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2017, 08:46:13 pm »

Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).
Then why do they keep calling Barford for pushing off? Hello
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2017, 08:48:39 pm »

i must be blind because I sure didn't see Arkansas score in the last 3:30 of the game. A few questionable calls or no calls doesn't change that. Only a blind homer can't see that.

Part of why you didn't see them score is because they were called for double the fouls and shot three times less as many free throws as UNC.

You can look at my post history and it will show that I don't complain about officiating hardly ever.

Hogs were screwed......
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2017, 08:50:48 pm »

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

Your position is demonstrably false and is at odds with the rules of college basketball.  But keep digging anyway.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2017, 08:52:35 pm »

only one team complains about officiating. The loser. They were outplayed. The last 3:34 of the game when they couldn't score and Carolina finished on a 12-0 run. Score a little and maybe complain. Carolina was the better team. Razorbacks played great for 37 minutes. Couldn't get it done the last 3.
is that why even sports center is complaining about the officiating??
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2017, 08:54:04 pm »

They called 4 fouls on UNC the entire 2nd Half. Just saying.

This.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2017, 08:54:56 pm »

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.
Well, then I'm not sure why you waste your time watching the game.

And, one last time, Barford was called for a foul in the exact same scenario which you find incomprehensible earlier in the half.

Well, obtuse or jackass, we all know now.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #75 on: March 19, 2017, 08:56:01 pm »

Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

I have never seen anyone be as obtuse as you are about something. You could not be more wrong about the drivel you're spouting, but instead of actually listening to people who know, like actual referees on this board, you double and triple down on the blatantly stupid argument.

Any time that arm gets extended to shove a player away by the ball handler, it is a charge.

I can't comprehend that you do not get this simple fact of basketball. Unless of course, this is a masterful troll job, then kudos good sir.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #76 on: March 19, 2017, 09:12:58 pm »

I have never seen anyone be as obtuse as you are about something. You could not be more wrong about the drivel you're spouting, but instead of actually listening to people who know, like actual referees on this board, you double and triple down on the blatantly stupid argument.

Any time that arm gets extended to shove a player away by the ball handler, it is a charge.

I can't comprehend that you do not get this simple fact of basketball. Unless of course, this is a masterful troll job, then kudos good sir.

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #77 on: March 19, 2017, 09:16:11 pm »

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

It was something, either block or charge, but it sure as heck wasn't a no call situation. Who benefited, Carolina. No need to shoot free throws when the refs swallow their whistle allowing a lay-up instead.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #78 on: March 19, 2017, 09:16:50 pm »

Better?  No.  More disciplined, yes.  I think our talent is as good as theirs.
No offense but our talent doesn't scratch the surface of theirs.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #79 on: March 19, 2017, 09:17:26 pm »

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
Then it was a travel. They didn't call a block, so if it was a play on then it was indeed a travel.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #80 on: March 19, 2017, 09:18:01 pm »

They called 4 fouls on UNC the entire 2nd Half. Just saying.

Let that sink in! What a hosing!!
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #81 on: March 19, 2017, 09:19:17 pm »

Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).

Completely wrong.  You are trying to defend your original point and you are completely incorrect t
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #82 on: March 19, 2017, 09:19:22 pm »

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
They would tell anybody right now that it was a walk in the least. A monkey could tell you that.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2017, 09:21:26 pm »

If you beleive games are rigged then why watch?

Why do women watch lifetime movies? They know the story
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #84 on: March 19, 2017, 09:21:48 pm »

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

I would love to get to take it up with them.   
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #85 on: March 19, 2017, 09:23:10 pm »

I would love to get to take it up with them.
You ain't kidding. Post of the year.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #86 on: March 19, 2017, 09:23:36 pm »

The lack of foul calls on UNC is an even bigger story....we win this game had they called it even.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2017, 09:25:08 pm »

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

That is everyone's point in this thread that the call was missed/just not called. You're the only one to seem that the guy with the ball can just bulldoze any defender who is not standing like a statue directly squared up in front of the ball handler.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #88 on: March 19, 2017, 09:26:11 pm »

No offense but our talent doesn't scratch the surface of theirs.
well then our hearts scratched holes in those blue bloods tonight. We're obviously void of any talent.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #89 on: March 19, 2017, 09:28:15 pm »

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
You sir, are a piece.....
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« Reply #90 on: March 19, 2017, 09:30:10 pm »

Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
Bud, you need some more work on your troll game.
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« Reply #91 on: March 19, 2017, 09:58:49 pm »

I would love to get to take it up with them.   

All things considered, I felt it was the best officiating the Hogs had for a game all season.  The 3 officials today are good.

1 of the officials today has officiated for over 30 years, which includes officiating in the NBA.

The officiating today was better than the garbage that occurs in the SEC from Doug Shows, Tom Eades, and Doug Sirmons.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #92 on: March 19, 2017, 10:08:01 pm »

I never understood the need to always be on the opposite side of an argument. You are obviously wrong but choose not to see it. You are just losing any credibility you had.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2017, 10:09:55 pm »

Yep, three calls went their way that shouldn't have and there goes the ball game. Moses missing those free throws could have made it a lot more interesting though. But ole well can't make them all. It turned out to be a good year. 26-10. Not much to complain about there.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #94 on: March 19, 2017, 10:10:18 pm »

Let that sink in! What a hosing!!

Hogs only had 4 fouls in the 2nd half at home against a&m, did a&m get hosed?
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #96 on: March 19, 2017, 10:12:22 pm »

All things considered, I felt it was the best officiating the Hogs had for a game all season.  The 3 officials today are good.

1 of the officials today has officiated for over 30 years, which includes officiating in the NBA.

The officiating today was better than the garbage that occurs in the SEC from Doug Shows, Tom Eades, and Doug Sirmons.
It was good up until the last 3 minutes when we got up 65-60. They took over the game down the stretch. How many fouls did they get away with again? Then you call that weak foul on Bailey on the steal when we could have gone up 67-60. Straight bull!! That call right there kept them in the game.
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« Reply #97 on: March 19, 2017, 10:19:35 pm »

It was good up until the last 3 minutes when we got up 65-60. They took over the game down the stretch. How many fouls did they get away with again? Then you call that weak foul on Bailey on the steal when we could have gone up 67-60. Straight bull!! That call right there kept them in the game.

And took the momentum.
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