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  • #51 by OhioHog on 19 Mar 2017
  • They called 4 fouls on UNC the entire 2nd Half. Just saying.

    That's what stood out to me.   Four fouls the entire second half? 
  • #52 by Sow Lancelot on 19 Mar 2017
  • Nope, if anything it was block foul by our player.

    The bottom line is that a defender has to be set.

    Regardless, the refs decided to not make any call.
    Either you are being obtuse or a jackass. Barford was called for an offensive push off earlier in the half in the same scenario.
  • #53 by jfred59 on 19 Mar 2017
  • ^^^^^

    This! Egads! How do you miss that major walk and the ensuring charge! Those two combined calls led to the offensive put back and their lead. That to me was a turning point. Good grief.

    In before Hogsanity

    When you have been instructed on who will win and paid well to take care of it.   
  • #54 by hogfan10 on 19 Mar 2017
  • The problem though is that our player was not in a legal guarding position because he was not set.

    No, the problem is you don't know/understand the rule. You DO NOT have to be set to draw a charge.
    You can be moving, if you have established position in front of the offensive player.
  • #55 by lilRockNDubb on 19 Mar 2017
  • Berry charged and traveled on same play with 45 or so seconds left and score 65-66 NC.   Should have been hogs ball but instead is a NC 3pt lead.   Game changed on that pitiful missed double call.

    He threw an elbow as well during that play. Not only should it have been a charge but also a flagrant 1 foul.
  • #56 by hogfan10 on 19 Mar 2017
  • He threw an elbow as well during that play

    Eerily similar to Hannahs in the Kentucky game.
  • #57 by hogsanity on 19 Mar 2017
  • In before Hogsanity

    When you have been instructed on who will win and paid well to take care of it.   

    If you beleive games are rigged then why watch?
  • #58 by GoHogs1091 on 19 Mar 2017
  • No, the problem is you don't know/understand the rule. You DO NOT have to be set to draw a charge.
    You can be moving, if you have established position in front of the offensive player.

    How can you have established position if your not set?

    Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).
  • #59 by hogsanity on 19 Mar 2017
  • How can you have established position if your not set?

    Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).

    You can be moving and draw a charge or player control foul. You can not be moving after a player leaves his feet and draw a charge, but that has no bearing on the situation in question.
  • #60 by hogfan10 on 19 Mar 2017
  • How can you have established position if your not set?

    Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).

    If my chest is in front of you, you can't run me over. Doesn't matter if my feet are glued to the floor or not, I've established my space.
  • #61 by elkhog on 19 Mar 2017
  • Razorbacks played well and lost. No shame in that. Lament the missed opportunity, but Carolina was simply better down the stretch.

    Better?  No.  More disciplined, yes.  I think our talent is as good as theirs. 
  • #62 by hogfan10 on 19 Mar 2017
  • You can be moving and draw a charge or player control foul. You can not be moving after a player leaves his feet and draw a charge, but that has no bearing on the situation in question.

    Correct, I can't move in after you have left the floor to draw a charge.
  • #63 by Sow Lancelot on 19 Mar 2017
  • How can you have established position if your not set?

    Just be thankful it wasn't Ted Valentine reffing the game.  He would have made a delayed, theatrical block foul call on our player (entirely possible Valentine would have come across the court from the other side to make a theatrical call).
    Because you don't have to be set, just in controlled position in front of the player. Do you really not know this?
  • #64 by Cinco de Hogo on 19 Mar 2017
  • Nope, if anything it was block foul by our player.

    The bottom line is that a defender has to be set.

    Regardless, the refs decided to not make any call.

    I'm gonna ask a very simple question, why do they call fouls on a dribbler when he extends his arm to push off a defender?

    Of course that call is only called on Arkansas so maybe you do have a point.
  • #65 by la20688 on 19 Mar 2017
  • Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).
    So incorrect. You're saying you've never seen an offensive foul called when the defender was moving?  A defender has a right to space on the floor as well, and Baily was in position. Add to that the face of Berry pushing off with and extending his arm. Pretty easy call....or at least should have been.
  • #66 by WorfHog on 19 Mar 2017
  • i must be blind because I sure didn't see Arkansas score in the last 3:30 of the game. A few questionable calls or no calls doesn't change that. Only a blind homer can't see that.

    Hey Randy how'd the Ohio State Buckeyes do in the tourney, oh wait they didn't make one...

    Go find another board you troll!
  • #67 by alohawg on 19 Mar 2017
  • Quotes from a Carolina fan immediately following the game.


    "Lol refs saved the **** out of us.

    Survive and Advance, I suppose."



    "If I'm an Arkansas fan, I'm probably screaming about the refs."

    https://northcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/hogs-vs-heels-sunday-19-march-2017-dance-lesson-number-two.52164/page-7
  • #68 by GoHogs1091 on 19 Mar 2017
  • Because you don't have to be set, just in controlled position in front of the player. Do you really not know this?

    Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

    It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.
  • #69 by hogfan10 on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

    It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

    You need to just stop, you don't have a clue.
  • #70 by theFlyingHog on 19 Mar 2017
  • Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).
    Then why do they keep calling Barford for pushing off? Hello
  • #71 by hogz11 on 19 Mar 2017
  • i must be blind because I sure didn't see Arkansas score in the last 3:30 of the game. A few questionable calls or no calls doesn't change that. Only a blind homer can't see that.

    Part of why you didn't see them score is because they were called for double the fouls and shot three times less as many free throws as UNC.

    You can look at my post history and it will show that I don't complain about officiating hardly ever.

    Hogs were screwed......
  • #72 by GoshenHog on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

    It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

    Your position is demonstrably false and is at odds with the rules of college basketball.  But keep digging anyway.
  • #73 by BannerMountainMan on 19 Mar 2017
  • only one team complains about officiating. The loser. They were outplayed. The last 3:34 of the game when they couldn't score and Carolina finished on a 12-0 run. Score a little and maybe complain. Carolina was the better team. Razorbacks played great for 37 minutes. Couldn't get it done the last 3.
    is that why even sports center is complaining about the officiating??
  • #74 by Biggus Piggus on 19 Mar 2017
  • They called 4 fouls on UNC the entire 2nd Half. Just saying.

    This.
  • #75 by Sow Lancelot on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

    It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.
    Well, then I'm not sure why you waste your time watching the game.

    And, one last time, Barford was called for a foul in the exact same scenario which you find incomprehensible earlier in the half.

    Well, obtuse or jackass, we all know now.
  • #76 by Hootiethehog on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, if you are not set, then you are not in a controlled position.

    It is completely contradictory for someone to be in a controlled position when they are not set.  The defender still has an advantage by not being set.  With the speed of current day basketball athletes there is no controlled position when a defender is not set.

    I have never seen anyone be as obtuse as you are about something. You could not be more wrong about the drivel you're spouting, but instead of actually listening to people who know, like actual referees on this board, you double and triple down on the blatantly stupid argument.

    Any time that arm gets extended to shove a player away by the ball handler, it is a charge.

    I can't comprehend that you do not get this simple fact of basketball. Unless of course, this is a masterful troll job, then kudos good sir.
  • #77 by GoHogs1091 on 19 Mar 2017
  • I have never seen anyone be as obtuse as you are about something. You could not be more wrong about the drivel you're spouting, but instead of actually listening to people who know, like actual referees on this board, you double and triple down on the blatantly stupid argument.

    Any time that arm gets extended to shove a player away by the ball handler, it is a charge.

    I can't comprehend that you do not get this simple fact of basketball. Unless of course, this is a masterful troll job, then kudos good sir.

    Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
  • #78 by alohawg on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

    It was something, either block or charge, but it sure as heck wasn't a no call situation. Who benefited, Carolina. No need to shoot free throws when the refs swallow their whistle allowing a lay-up instead.
  • #79 by azhog10 on 19 Mar 2017
  • Better?  No.  More disciplined, yes.  I think our talent is as good as theirs.
    No offense but our talent doesn't scratch the surface of theirs.
  • #80 by azhog10 on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
    Then it was a travel. They didn't call a block, so if it was a play on then it was indeed a travel.
  • #81 by Little Lady Back on 19 Mar 2017
  • They called 4 fouls on UNC the entire 2nd Half. Just saying.

    Let that sink in! What a hosing!!
  • #82 by onebadrubi on 19 Mar 2017
  • Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).

    Completely wrong.  You are trying to defend your original point and you are completely incorrect t
  • #83 by Razorback_Mack on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
    They would tell anybody right now that it was a walk in the least. A monkey could tell you that.
  • #84 by onebadrubi on 19 Mar 2017
  • If you beleive games are rigged then why watch?

    Why do women watch lifetime movies? They know the story
  • #85 by jfred59 on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

    I would love to get to take it up with them.   
  • #86 by Razorback_Mack on 19 Mar 2017
  • I would love to get to take it up with them.
    You ain't kidding. Post of the year.
  • #87 by HawgnCorona on 19 Mar 2017
  • The lack of foul calls on UNC is an even bigger story....we win this game had they called it even.
  • #88 by Hootiethehog on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.

    That is everyone's point in this thread that the call was missed/just not called. You're the only one to seem that the guy with the ball can just bulldoze any defender who is not standing like a statue directly squared up in front of the ball handler.
  • #89 by PORKULATOR on 19 Mar 2017
  • No offense but our talent doesn't scratch the surface of theirs.
    well then our hearts scratched holes in those blue bloods tonight. We're obviously void of any talent.
  • #90 by PORKULATOR on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
    You sir, are a piece.....
  • #91 by cypert2 on 19 Mar 2017
  • Well, then take it up with the officials who worked the game.  They know it wasn't an offensive charge by the NC player.
    Bud, you need some more work on your troll game.
  • #92 by GoHogs1091 on 19 Mar 2017
  • I would love to get to take it up with them.   

    All things considered, I felt it was the best officiating the Hogs had for a game all season.  The 3 officials today are good.

    1 of the officials today has officiated for over 30 years, which includes officiating in the NBA.

    The officiating today was better than the garbage that occurs in the SEC from Doug Shows, Tom Eades, and Doug Sirmons.
  • #93 by HogHomer on 19 Mar 2017
  • I never understood the need to always be on the opposite side of an argument. You are obviously wrong but choose not to see it. You are just losing any credibility you had.
  • #94 by Youngsta71701 on 19 Mar 2017
  • Yep, three calls went their way that shouldn't have and there goes the ball game. Moses missing those free throws could have made it a lot more interesting though. But ole well can't make them all. It turned out to be a good year. 26-10. Not much to complain about there.
  • #95 by hogsanity on 19 Mar 2017
  • Let that sink in! What a hosing!!

    Hogs only had 4 fouls in the 2nd half at home against a&m, did a&m get hosed?
  • #96 by sowmonella on 19 Mar 2017
  • #97 by Youngsta71701 on 19 Mar 2017
  • All things considered, I felt it was the best officiating the Hogs had for a game all season.  The 3 officials today are good.

    1 of the officials today has officiated for over 30 years, which includes officiating in the NBA.

    The officiating today was better than the garbage that occurs in the SEC from Doug Shows, Tom Eades, and Doug Sirmons.
    It was good up until the last 3 minutes when we got up 65-60. They took over the game down the stretch. How many fouls did they get away with again? Then you call that weak foul on Bailey on the steal when we could have gone up 67-60. Straight bull!! That call right there kept them in the game.
  • #98 by alohawg on 19 Mar 2017
  • It was good up until the last 3 minutes when we got up 65-60. They took over the game down the stretch. How many fouls did they get away with again? Then you call that weak foul on Bailey on the steal when we could have gone up 67-60. Straight bull!! That call right there kept them in the game.

    And took the momentum.
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