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Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« on: March 19, 2017, 07:17:27 pm »

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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2017, 07:19:59 pm »

Macon clearly fouled on that long three in the last minute.  No call.  NC touched the ball going out of bounds, refs gave ball to NC.  NC went down and clearly ran over one of our guys, no call.

Pitiful.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2017, 07:20:53 pm »

Yup that was as bad as it gets
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2017, 07:21:05 pm »

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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2017, 07:21:10 pm »

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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2017, 07:21:59 pm »

The Bailey steal would have made it a 7 point lead for us, instead it was 3 point lead after their score.

The charge Bailey drew/walk on them (neither was called) would have given us the ball up 1 with 40 seconds left. Tough.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 07:22:19 pm »

They called 4 fouls on UNC the entire 2nd Half. Just saying.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 07:24:00 pm »

Eh, I don't think so. We outplayed them, but then we just got tight in the last five minutes. There were a few times where Dusty was wide open and we took bad shots instead. I knew it was over when we didn't let him take any dagger shots when we were up five--could have pushed it to 8 so easily, but no one thought about getting our top scorer the ball. Great game.

Our lack of tourney experience caught up to us.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2017, 07:24:01 pm »

The Bailey steal would have made it a 7 point lead for us, instead it was 3 point lead after their score.

The charge Bailey drew/walk on them (neither was called) would have given us the ball up 1 with 40 seconds left. Tough.

^^^^^

This! Egads! How do you miss that major walk and the ensuring charge! Those two combined calls led to the offensive put back and their lead. That to me was a turning point. Good grief.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2017, 07:24:54 pm »

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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2017, 07:25:19 pm »

Berry charged and traveled on same play with 45 or so seconds left and score 65-66 NC.   Should have been hogs ball but instead is a NC 3pt lead.   Game changed on that pitiful missed double call.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2017, 07:25:40 pm »

Macon clearly fouled on that long three in the last minute.  No call.  NC touched the ball going out of bounds, refs gave ball to NC.  NC went down and clearly ran over one of our guys, no call.

Pitiful.

It's true that we tightened up at the end, but it is hard to overstate how much the bad officiating at the end turned the game.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2017, 07:27:08 pm »

Eh, I don't think so. We outplayed them, but then we just got tight in the last five minutes. There were a few times where Dusty was wide open and we took bad shots instead. I knew it was over when we didn't let him take any dagger shots when we were up five--could have pushed it to 8 so easily, but no one thought about getting our top scorer the ball. Great game.

Our lack of tourney experience caught up to us.
well said. Yeah we got screwed on calls, but we started playing terribly, Anderson did nothing to set up offense, and we choked. Good season. We'll be back next year.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2017, 07:27:25 pm »

There were bad calls, but the difference in the game is that we quit playing the way we got the lead.  We did not run any good offensive sets at the end.  That's what lost the game.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2017, 07:29:08 pm »

The missed travel/charge was big but we simply got tight at the end. We didn't believe.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2017, 07:29:09 pm »

I suspect Jeff Long will bump Mike Anderson up to 3 million a year in the morning.  Well deserved.  Great season, Mike.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2017, 07:29:52 pm »

No way to sugar coat it, they swallowed the whistle on our end all day, and really swallowed it at the end of the game. Clearly Macon was fouled on the three, and the guy touched the ball, ball goes to NC. They come down run over Bailey, no call they get a tip in because of it.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2017, 07:33:46 pm »

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Never all our turnovers, never all our missed shots or bad shot selection.  We got mugged a few times, but could have survived if we hadn't of made so many mistakes.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2017, 07:37:04 pm »

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Never all our turnovers, never all our missed shots or bad shot selection.  We got mugged a few times, but could have survived if we hadn't of made so many mistakes.
But that's the frustration...The fact that we made some mistakes, but overcame those to be leading the #1 seed down the stretch, only to be screwed by some very obvious non-calls! If we had just been outplayed, that's one thing. But to stand toe to toe, and lose a rigged fight is another. It amazes me that some people just can't understand the difference.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2017, 07:41:23 pm »

Eh, I don't think so. We outplayed them, but then we just got tight in the last five minutes. There were a few times where Dusty was wide open and we took bad shots instead. I knew it was over when we didn't let him take any dagger shots when we were up five--could have pushed it to 8 so easily, but no one thought about getting our top scorer the ball. Great game.

Our lack of tourney experience caught up to us.
i agree. Execute your offense in the final minutes and you won't have to complain about officiating. Great season for the Razorbacks.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2017, 07:45:12 pm »

But that's the frustration...The fact that we made some mistakes, but overcame those to be leading the #1 seed down the stretch, only to be screwed by some very obvious non-calls!If we had just been outplayed, that's one thing. But to stand toe to toe, and lose a rigged fight is another. It amazes me that some people just can't understand the difference.
only one team complains about officiating. The loser. They were outplayed. The last 3:34 of the game when they couldn't score and Carolina finished on a 12-0 run. Score a little and maybe complain. Carolina was the better team. Razorbacks played great for 37 minutes. Couldn't get it done the last 3.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2017, 07:46:20 pm »

Eh, I don't think so. We outplayed them, but then we just got tight in the last five minutes. There were a few times where Dusty was wide open and we took bad shots instead. I knew it was over when we didn't let him take any dagger shots when we were up five--could have pushed it to 8 so easily, but no one thought about getting our top scorer the ball. Great game.

Our lack of tourney experience caught up to us.

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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2017, 07:47:20 pm »

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  Never all our turnovers, never all our missed shots or bad shot selection.  We got mugged a few times, but could have survived if we hadn't of made so many mistakes.
Razorbacks played well and lost. No shame in that. Lament the missed opportunity, but Carolina was simply better down the stretch.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2017, 07:47:26 pm »

The Berry play at the end in which Meeks tipped it in could have been called a block on us (our defender was not set).

The play in which the replay was not definitive regarding whether their player's finger(s) touched the ball would have left us 1 second on the shot clock.  Not much could have been done offensively with only 1 second remaining on the shot clock.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2017, 07:47:57 pm »

Don't forget the Barford call on the blocked dunk attempt.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2017, 07:50:39 pm »

only one team complains about officiating. The loser. They were outplayed. The last 3:34 of the game when they couldn't score and Carolina finished on a 12-0 run. Score a little and maybe complain. Carolina was the better team. Razorbacks played great for 37 minutes. Couldn't get it done the last 3.
Obviously they didn't get it done. But to sit there and act like blatantly bad calls that don't go your way (and questionable calls all night) don't have an effect? That's just moronic! How can you not see the heart they were playing with wither? How can losing a possession, and letting them get away with a blatant walk/charge that earned them 2 points not effect the outcome? Do you think if it was a 1 point game we would have played different? I do.

I sure hope you are are just trolling me...Otherwise IDK what else to say.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2017, 07:51:12 pm »

The Berry play at the end in which Meeks tipped it in could have been called a block on us (our defender was not set).

The play in which the replay was not definitive regarding whether their player's finger(s) touched the ball would have left us 1 second on the shot clock.  Not much could have been done offensively with only 1 second remaining on the shot clock.

My issue with the Berry play was that he shoved our guy with his right hand. He literally pushed him away. That should have been the call. But the refs were all over the place with North Carolina. They let them push and shove all game.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2017, 07:51:50 pm »

only one team complains about officiating. The loser. They were outplayed. The last 3:34 of the game when they couldn't score and Carolina finished on a 12-0 run. Score a little and maybe complain. Carolina was the better team. Razorbacks played great for 37 minutes. Couldn't get it done the last 3.

You're a blind fool. Hogs were hosed and even national media is complaining about it.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2017, 07:52:20 pm »

The Berry play at the end in which Meeks tipped it in could have been called a block on us (our defender was not set).

The play in which the replay was not definitive regarding whether their player's finger(s) touched the ball would have left us 1 second on the shot clock.  Not much could have been done offensively with only 1 second remaining on the shot clock.
And the UNC guy that tipped the ball, what about his forearm across our shooters arm? Did that not matter either?

And the walk that preceded the charge/block? Irrelevant too?
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2017, 07:53:09 pm »

i agree. Execute your offense in the final minutes and you won't have to complain about officiating. Great season for the Razorbacks.

Or even better, if the refs don't screw you, there won't be a need to complain.
It's inexcusable to go to the replay and still miss an obvious block/out of bounds off unc.
How is that possible, they saw it on the replay (they also saw an obvious uncalled foul on the shot), but still gave the ball to unc.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2017, 07:54:25 pm »

I disagree with the thread premise.

The "story of the game" is 3-4 horrid half court possessions starting at about the three minute mark.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2017, 07:55:45 pm »

only one team complains about officiating. The loser. They were outplayed. The last 3:34 of the game when they couldn't score and Carolina finished on a 12-0 run. Score a little and maybe complain. Carolina was the better team. Razorbacks played great for 37 minutes. Couldn't get it done the last 3.

That's not true. I'll continue to complain about the officiating in college basketball in general. It's really bad and you're seeing it in a lot of these games. Not just Arkansas getting screwed. A lot of teams get unlucky because of poorly called games.

But I'll readily admit that officiating is not easy. They're human. It happens. In today's college game you have to play around the officials. It's part of the game.

So did the refs steal the game from Arkansas? No. Not at all. Did they effect the game? 110%.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2017, 07:56:01 pm »

And the UNC guy that tipped the ball, what about his forearm across our shooters arm? Did that not matter either?

And the walk that preceded the charge/block? Irrelevant too?

There would have been at least 2 seconds on the shot clock. Anything could have happened; made shot, missed shot put back, foul while shooting. Point is we didn't get the opportunity to make a play. It was obvious that the ball was blocked; ball rotation and direction of ball changed.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2017, 07:56:25 pm »

My issue with the Berry play was that he shoved our guy with his right hand. He literally pushed him away. That should have been the call. But the refs were all over the place with North Carolina. They let them push and shove all game.

Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2017, 07:58:24 pm »

Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).

You sir have zero understanding of the rules of basketball.

The defender does not need to be set.  If the offensive player shoves him.  It's an offensive foul.  If the offensive player takes 4 to 6 steps without the dribble.  That's a travel.  It was a complete and utter blown call after another complete and utter blown call on the three attempt.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2017, 07:58:27 pm »

Not much could have been done offensively with only 1 second remaining on the shot clock.

Absolutely nothing can be done when it's given to the other team.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2017, 08:00:40 pm »

Any possible shove by an offensive player becomes irrelevant when a defender is not set.  When a defender is not set any possible shove by an offensive player does not equate to any advantage gained by the offensive player (the defensive player still has an advantage by not being set).

Not true, you don't have to be set as a defender. If you are not set, your chest must be in front of the offensive player, if it is, and he runs over you; it's an offensive foul. Either way, you can't take 4/5 steps with the ball.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2017, 08:03:32 pm »

You sir have zero understanding of the rules of basketball.

The defender does not need to be set.  If the offensive player shoves him.  It's an offensive foul.  If the offensive player takes 4 to 6 steps without the dribble.  That's a travel.  It was a complete and utter blown call after another complete and utter blown call on the three attempt.

Our defender was not set, therefore the refs did not call an offensive foul on their player for a push-off.

A defender has to be in position by being set for a push-off to matter.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2017, 08:03:56 pm »

Yes that no call had to be something. But the story of the game was getting down 17 then not scoring in the last 3.5 mins either.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2017, 08:06:36 pm »

Our defender was not set, therefore the refs did not call an offensive foul on their player for a push-off.

A defender has to be in position by being set for a push-off to matter.
No he doesn't. You can be running full speed away from somebody and if they push you it can be called an offensive foul. You have no idea what you're talking about. That was a player control foul on unc if anything.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2017, 08:09:54 pm »

No he doesn't. You can be running full speed away from somebody and if they push you it can be called an offensive foul. You have no idea what you're talking about. That was a player control foul on unc if anything.

Nope, if anything it was block foul by our player.

The bottom line is that a defender has to be set.

Regardless, the refs decided to not make any call.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2017, 08:10:50 pm »

Or even better, if the refs don't screw you, there won't be a need to complain.
It's inexcusable to go to the replay and still miss an obvious block/out of bounds off unc.
How is that possible, they saw it on the replay (they also saw an obvious uncalled foul on the shot), but still gave the ball to unc.
yet you see it all the time in football and basketball. How do they not overturn the obvious. I agree. Arkansas should have had the ball on the baseline with 2 seconds on the shot clock. Look at the shot that was taken though. Barford dribing out an entire shot clock and not getting to the basket. Execute down the stretch and don't leave it for questionable calls to have an impact. Loser mentality to blame officiating. Hogs didn't get it done. Great season. Tough last 3 minutes.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2017, 08:13:03 pm »

Is there a way to post videos from your phone? I taped the two horrible calls.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2017, 08:14:47 pm »

Nope, if anything it was block foul by our player.

The bottom line is that a defender has to be set.

Regardless, the refs decided to not make any call.

Wrong. A player has to be in a legal guarding position. By your definition an off ball defender can be face guarding somebody and the offensive player can intentionally barrel into him and it not be an offensive foul. You obviously know nothing about basketball.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2017, 08:16:29 pm »

You're a blind fool. Hogs were hosed and even national media is complaining about it.
i must be blind because I sure didn't see Arkansas score in the last 3:30 of the game. A few questionable calls or no calls doesn't change that. Only a blind homer can't see that.

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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2017, 08:16:38 pm »

yet you see it all the time in football and basketball. How do they not overturn the obvious. I agree. Arkansas should have had the ball on the baseline with 2 seconds on the shot clock. Look at the shot that was taken though. Barford dribing out an entire shot clock and not getting to the basket. Execute down the stretch and don't leave it for questionable calls to have an impact. Loser mentality to blame officiating. Hogs didn't get it done. Great season. Tough last 3 minutes.

Agree way too much dribbling in the final minutes.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2017, 08:17:56 pm »

I disagree with the thread premise.

The "story of the game" is 3-4 horrid half court possessions starting at about the three minute mark.

And 19 turnovers. 
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2017, 08:18:04 pm »


Wrong. A player has to be in a legal guarding position. By your definition an off ball defender can be face guarding somebody and the offensive player can intentionally barrel into him and it not be an offensive foul. You obviously know nothing about basketball.

The problem though is that our player was not in a legal guarding position because he was not set.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2017, 08:20:10 pm »

i must be blind because I sure didn't see Arkansas score in the last 3:30 of the game. A few questionable calls or no calls doesn't change that. Only a blind homer can't see that.



A few questionable calls or no calls absolutely could have changed that. We could have been shooting FTs, or they might not have scored enough w/o the questionable calls/no calls to win.
Sure we could have done better to put the game away, but that doesn't excuse the refs obvious assist to unc.
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Re: Real story of the game is the 3-4 wrong calls
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2017, 08:20:19 pm »

You sir have zero understanding of the rules of basketball.

The defender does not need to be set.  If the offensive player shoves him.  It's an offensive foul.  If the offensive player takes 4 to 6 steps without the dribble.  That's a travel.  It was a complete and utter blown call after another complete and utter blown call on the three attempt.
Yep, QED; See the call against Barford early in the second half.
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