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Rawker

March 18, 2017, 10:16:28 pm
I'm one of the most vehement opponents of people who predict how a game might go based on a comparison of previous games against common (or even worse, not so common) opponents.  There are so many variables in the way the ball bounces within each second of a game that results can vary wildly.  It's fool's gold to expect a result based on how common opponents played.  Match-ups are the thing that renders more predictable results.  And in this case, the player-by-player match-up of the Hogs against NC is indeed terrible.  BUT.....BUT....for this one time, just because we need something to hope for, I'm going to reach for an opponent comparison and point out that:
FLA absolutely destroyed VA, even though it is assumed that VA, being from the vaunted ACC, would have been a much better competition for FLA than they experienced in the SEC.  Eh....not so much.  Meanwhile, VA beat North Carolina just a few games ago.  The ACC competition didn't do VA any favors against FLA....maybe Arkansas can follow that lead and do to NC what VA did, before being creamed by FLA.  Keep hope alive!  We're going to win this sucker!!
   

Pig in the Pokey

March 18, 2017, 10:21:29 pm #1
this tourney is proving the SEC is back. I could tell all year the quality product on the court was way up. The Big Least is being exposed.
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Dr. Starcs

March 18, 2017, 10:26:02 pm #2
The refs will be out to protect the acc tomorrow and their precious Roy and K

ListenHereMister

March 18, 2017, 10:26:04 pm #3
Hopefully South Carolina beats Duke too!

TebowHater

March 18, 2017, 10:29:40 pm #4
Quote from: Pig in the Pokey on March 18, 2017, 10:21:29 pm
this tourney is proving the SEC is back. I could tell all year the quality product on the court was way up. The Big Least is being exposed.

Don't jump the gun just yet. No SEC team has beaten anyone seeded better than them (nor has an SEC team lost to a team seeded worse). So far, we are exactly what everyone expected us to be.

Tomorrow that can change.

YtownHog

March 18, 2017, 10:36:06 pm #5
Pretty sure nobody saw Florida beating the breaks off of Virginia.

passinghog

March 18, 2017, 10:45:50 pm #6
Virginia is the only team that league that plays that way. I was glad to see them get their asses kicked. The first to 50 points still of basketball is deplorable from a spectator standpoint. Can't expect UNC to not be able to score like UVA can't.

azhog10

March 18, 2017, 10:49:09 pm #7
Quote from: YtownHog on March 18, 2017, 10:36:06 pm
Pretty sure nobody saw Florida beating the breaks off of Virginia.
I disagree. Virginia has had one of the worst offenses I've seen the last few weeks. Florida plays good defense and it seemed obvious if Florida could have just a resemblance of an offensive game they could win big.

Obviously my opinion but Virginia looked awful Thursday and Florida has played pretty well.

ErieHog

March 18, 2017, 10:52:30 pm #8
The ACC as a whole has embarassed itself at times this tournament.

20,20,12, 25, and a 26 point loss so far;  their 'cheated out bubble team' just lost an NIT home game against Ole Miss by 5.

There is an opportunity here, to take a little more air out of an overrated ACC's balloon tomorrow.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ShadowHawg

March 18, 2017, 10:53:28 pm #9
Quote from: Rawker on March 18, 2017, 10:16:28 pm
I'm one of the most vehement opponents of people who predict how a game might go based on a comparison of previous games against common (or even worse, not so common) opponents.  There are so many variables in the way the ball bounces within each second of a game that results can vary wildly.  It's fool's gold to expect a result based on how common opponents played.  Match-ups are the thing that renders more predictable results.  And in this case, the player-by-player match-up of the Hogs against NC is indeed terrible.  BUT.....BUT....for this one time, just because we need something to hope for, I'm going to reach for an opponent comparison and point out that:
FLA absolutely destroyed VA, even though it is assumed that VA, being from the vaunted ACC, would have been a much better competition for FLA than they experienced in the SEC.  Eh....not so much.  Meanwhile, VA beat North Carolina just a few games ago.  The ACC competition didn't do VA any favors against FLA....maybe Arkansas can follow that lead and do to NC what VA did, before being creamed by FLA.  Keep hope alive!  We're going to win this sucker!!


Somewhere in there you proved you were your own grandpa.

ShadowHawg

March 18, 2017, 11:05:35 pm #10
Quote from: TebowHater on March 18, 2017, 10:29:40 pm
Don't jump the gun just yet. No SEC team has beaten anyone seeded better than them (nor has an SEC team lost to a team seeded worse). So far, we are exactly what everyone expected us to be.

Tomorrow that can change.

I hope you don't really believe what you posted is based in logic. Experts pick lower seeds to win all  over the place. MTSU was favored by nearly everyone as a 12 seed.

The entire at the half crew picked Virginia over Florida just before they tipped tonight.

A lot of people actually believe that Wichita State is going to beat Kentucky tomorrow.

We weren't being picked to win our game to boot. And you really believe the SEC has done what everyone expected?

If that were true, we wouldn't be playing tomorrow,  Florida wouldn't be in the sweet 16, South Carolina would be gone, and Kentucky won't make it past UCLA.

RaisinHog

March 18, 2017, 11:05:49 pm #11
Quote from: ErieHog on March 18, 2017, 10:52:30 pm
The ACC as a whole has embarassed itself at times this tournament.

20,20,12, 25, and a 26 point loss so far;  their 'cheated out bubble team' just lost an NIT home game against Ole Miss by 5.

There is an opportunity here, to take a little more air out of an overrated ACC's balloon tomorrow.

If we could just add a 1 pt loss to that list I would be just as happy ... As if it were by 20

Inhogswetrust

March 19, 2017, 08:11:04 am #12
Quote from: Pig in the Pokey on March 18, 2017, 10:21:29 pm
this tourney is proving the SEC is back. I could tell all year the quality product on the court was way up. The Big Least is being exposed.

Not back yet but have climbed up the ladder one more rung.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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ErieHog

March 19, 2017, 03:00:02 pm #13
Quote from: Pig in the Pokey on March 18, 2017, 10:21:29 pm
this tourney is proving the SEC is back. I could tell all year the quality product on the court was way up. The Big Least is being exposed.


The Big East  didn't fare that badly, at least compared to some--  the biggest loss they really had, was a 1 seeded defending national champion losing to a severely underseeded Wisconsin, which returned 5 starters from a Sweet 16 team last year.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

rljjr

March 19, 2017, 03:10:45 pm #14
Shockers lead at the under 16 timeout.

ErieHog

March 19, 2017, 03:14:48 pm #15
Quote from: rljjr on March 19, 2017, 03:10:45 pm
Shockers lead at the under 16 timeout.

Kentucky has the lead and the momentum with about 13 to play.

For a very lackluster start, this game has picked up a ton in the 2nd half.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
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