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Indiana fires Tom Crean
« on: March 16, 2017, 11:29:54 am »

3 Sweet 16s in 9 seasons.

Wonder who Indiana will land?
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2017, 11:32:37 am »

In before the "Bring Back Bobby Knight" crowd chimes in on the IU message boards.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2017, 11:35:58 am »

In before the "Bring Back Bobby Knight" crowd chimes in on the IU message boards.

That's been going on for years
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2017, 11:40:35 am »

Steve Alford is my guess.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2017, 11:40:53 am »

That's been going on for years

Folding chair sales are spiking in Bloomington as I type this.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2017, 11:43:24 am »

I could see Gregg Marshall leaving for this one. He might just prefer the easy schedule though, who knows.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2017, 11:45:06 am »

3 Sweet 16s in 9 seasons.

Wonder who Indiana will land?

sweet 16 once every 3 years, on average, and he gets fired. Making the ncaat once every 3 years brings cries for a raise and extension for others. Think we see which school & fans prioritize a high level of success.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2017, 11:46:12 am »

Steve Alford is my guess.

I'd bet a call has already been made to his agent. The Indy Star has a lot of good coaches speculated as possibilities already...............It IS one of the top college basketball jobs, but has the high pressure to go with it.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2017, 11:47:22 am »

Norman Dale.


He loves those guys.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2017, 11:47:36 am »

I could see Gregg Marshall leaving for this one. He might just prefer the easy schedule though, who knows.

Others have tighter connections to Bloomington or Indiana in general. But it wouldn't surprise me either.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2017, 11:48:36 am »

Folding chair sales are spiking in Bloomington as I type this.

Haha! I don't think it was a folding one though was it? They probably have it enshrined in the IU HOF along with a bullwhip.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2017, 11:51:45 am »

sweet 16 once every 3 years, on average, and he gets fired. Making the ncaat once every 3 years brings cries for a raise and extension for others. Think we see which school & fans prioritize a high level of success.

I see a school that won't tolerate a coach going 166-135 and 71-91 in conference in 9 years. That wouldn't be acceptable at Arkansas either. Luckily we have a coach that's gone 127-73 (60-46) in 6 years. Whatever agenda you have, it can be smacked down. Easily.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2017, 11:52:48 am »

Norman Dale.


He loves those guys.

Excellent post of the day candidate!

Best line in the movie "welcome to Indiana basketball".
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2017, 11:55:09 am »

sweet 16 once every 3 years, on average, and he gets fired. Making the ncaat once every 3 years brings cries for a raise and extension for others. Think we see which school & fans prioritize a high level of success.

Sometimes you have to learn to walk again before you can run.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2017, 11:55:45 am »

Why is it I have this feeling that - if Arkansas were making a coaching hire today - Jeff Long's best idea would have been Tom Crean (if not Cuonzo Martin)?

No matter how dissatisfied I've been at times with Razorback basketball since MA was hired, nothing ever makes me feel good about the idea of Long hiring another basketball coach.

Two words ought to disqualify him from ever doing it again: Jimmy Dykes.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2017, 11:55:59 am »

I see a school that won't tolerate a coach going 166-135 and 71-91 in conference in 9 years. That wouldn't be acceptable at Arkansas either. Luckily we have a coach that's gone 127-73 (60-46) in 6 years. Whatever agenda you have, it can be smacked down. Easily.

Get back to us when he wins two conference championships and goes to three sweet sixteens in nine years like Crean did.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2017, 11:56:13 am »

I'd bet a call has already been made to his agent. The Indy Star has a lot of good coaches speculated as possibilities already...............It IS one of the top college basketball jobs, but has the high pressure to go with it.

UCLA is a better job with a better recruiting base and better quality of life. If he didn't have the Ball brothers coming in back to back to back seasons, maybe he'd consider it.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2017, 11:57:30 am »

Why is it I have this feeling that - if Arkansas were making a coaching hire today - Jeff Long's best idea would have been Tom Crean (if not Cuonzo Martin)?

No matter how dissatisfied I've been at times with Razorback basketball since MA was hired, nothing ever makes me feel good about the idea of Long hiring another basketball coach.

Two words ought to disqualify him from ever doing it again: Jimmy Dykes.

I can't argue with that.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2017, 11:57:49 am »

UCLA is a better job with a better recruiting base and better quality of life. If he didn't have the Ball brothers coming in back to back to back seasons, maybe he'd consider it.

This depends on one's definition of "quality of life."  I guess if you're a Kardashian...
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2017, 11:58:30 am »

Get back to us when he wins two conference championships and goes to three sweet sixteens in nine years like Crean did.

I'll pass on the 3 straight losing seasons
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2017, 11:59:22 am »

This depends on one's definition of "quality of life."  I guess if you're a Kardashian...

75 degrees every day with no humidity shuts down your argument
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2017, 12:01:56 pm »

UCLA is a better job with a better recruiting base and better quality of life. If he didn't have the Ball brothers coming in back to back to back seasons, maybe he'd consider it.

Not anymore it isn't. You think the "quality of life" is better in LA than Indianapolis? Not me. The ONLY better thing is the weather and there is much more to "quality of life" than weather. IF a coach is only somewhere because of weather then Martin would have never moved from Cal to Mizzou.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2017, 12:02:01 pm »

75 degrees every day with no humidity shuts down your argument

Not to mention civilization vs. barren wasteland.
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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2017, 12:03:20 pm »

Not to mention civilization vs. barren wasteland.

Except LA is not the poster child for "civilization".
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2017, 12:04:33 pm »

Alford wears on people from what I've heard.  Not sure how long he will be at UCLA.  It has been 4 seasons now.  May be time to head out again.

Certainly understand IU making a change.  Makes sense.  They should be in better shape certainly than when they hired Crean.  He took the wrong job at the wrong time.  Too much to dig out of although outside of the Wade led team Crean's resume wasn't spectacular. 
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« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2017, 12:05:31 pm »

Except LA is not the poster child for "civilization".
And IU isn't in Indianapolis.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2017, 12:07:49 pm »

Indiana was a premier job but the cavalcade of guys parading through their since Knight left is a bit uninspiring:  Davis, Sampson, Crean. 

Alford has a losing record in the B10, and before landing the Balls was probably a year away from being let go at UCLA.

Brad Stevens is one to watch as is Hoiberg.  Get a young energetic guy but one that won't crumble under the weight of the IU job.  As far as college coaches go I'd make Marshall the number 1 target.  I think he's got the ego to handle IU. 
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« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2017, 12:07:50 pm »

And IU isn't in Indianapolis.

Good catch. My bad. Meant to say Indiana. Should have said Bloomington. But you helped make my point. Since Bloomington is a prototypical college town it's quality of life is actually better than LA's IMHO.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2017, 12:08:35 pm »

Alford wears on people from what I've heard.  Not sure how long he will be at UCLA.  It has been 4 seasons now.  May be time to head out again.

I've heard that too.  Sounds like he's the Jim Harbaugh of the college basketball world.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2017, 12:09:09 pm »

Mizzou should've waited.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2017, 12:09:48 pm »

Get back to us when he wins two conference championships and goes to three sweet sixteens in nine years like Crean did.
I could see us getting fairly close to that in the next 3 years
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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2017, 12:10:19 pm »

I've heard that too.  Sounds like he's the Jim Harbaugh of the college basketball world.

Perhaps but he still isn't in the same league for wearing on people as his former college coach was or several others today.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2017, 12:10:58 pm »

Brad Stevens is one to watch as is Hoiberg.

I don't know if he'd leave the NBA now, since he's having success and everybody there raves about his coaching.  But if he did and IU got him, that would be the 5 star hire.
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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2017, 12:11:05 pm »

I could see us getting fairly close to that in the next 3 years

Hope so. I'll take a wait and see approach though.
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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2017, 12:11:23 pm »

Except LA is not the poster child for "civilization".

Guess you ain't spent much time around there. Long Beach, Santa Monica, Pasadena, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach...goodness gracious. Plus all the resources of a world-class city.

Indianapolis might be the most boring NFL city, and that's saying a lot. Of course, IU is in Bloomington, which is a whole lotta barren lifelessness away from Indianapolis. Best feature = being a short drive away from the northern terminus of Interstate 69. Any college student worth his salt should own an I-69 sign.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2017, 12:11:32 pm »

Mizzou should've waited.

Mizzou gonna Mizzou.
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2017, 12:12:36 pm »

I don't know if he'd leave the NBA now, since he's having success and everybody there raves about his coaching.  But if he did and IU got him, that would be the 5 star hire.

Indy Star also had Billy Donovan's name listed.
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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2017, 12:13:50 pm »

Indy Star also had Billy Donovan's name listed.

That is who I expect to be back and at one of the marquee programs.  But I'm guessing Kentucky after Cal. 

Hoping Stevens follows Coach K. 
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2017, 12:14:19 pm »

Guess you ain't spent much time around there. Long Beach, Santa Monica, Pasadena, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach...goodness gracious. Plus all the resources of a world-class city.

Indianapolis might be the most boring NFL city, and that's saying a lot. Of course, IU is in Bloomington, which is a whole lotta barren lifelessness away from Indianapolis. Best feature = being a short drive away from the northern terminus of Interstate 69. Any college student worth his salt should own an I-69 sign.

Spent a lot of time out there. My son lived in Santa Monica only three blocks from the pier and also El Segundo for several years before moving to San Jose. The best thing about California is the abundance of good wine at a reasonable price. Didn't say Indy was a highlight reel for things to do. Also Kansas City or Minneapolis would give it a run for it's money on the boring list.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2017, 12:21:31 pm »

The question with Marshall is how long is he going to put up with having to win 30 games just to barely get into the ncaat as 10 seed.
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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2017, 12:23:48 pm »

The question with Marshall is how long is he going to put up with having to win 30 games just to barely get into the ncaat as 10 seed.

The MVC isn't quite what it was.
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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2017, 12:25:05 pm »

IU just isn't the premier job that it once was. Bob Knight played a strong part in making IU what it was. Southern California has a better recruiting base, not to mention on the hierarchy, UCLA is still a top 5 basketball job. IU just isn't
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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2017, 12:38:53 pm »

IU just isn't the premier job that it once was. Bob Knight played a strong part in making IU what it was. Southern California has a better recruiting base, not to mention on the hierarchy, UCLA is still a top 5 basketball job. IU just isn't

There are more than five top jobs and IU is one of them. I agree some top jobs are not what they once were and some have moved up that weren't there in the past. Yes Knight played a part but they had won two titles before he got there. I agree that UCLA is located in a bigger recruiting market but that isn't as important with the proliferation of games on TV OR with the one and done's of today. ONE coach made UCLA what it is as far as basketball is concerned. Only one other coach there won a title and that was against the Hogs! He also got them and another team in the SEC in trouble with the NCAA. He's not even the the second highest winning coach at UCLA now. That distinction belongs to another current SEC coach Ben Howland. Also it is important to note that a large number of John Wooden's teams had their best players NOT from the LA area high schools. Ironic also that UCLA's best coach and one mentioned as the best ever in mens college basketball was from Indiana and played college ball in Indiana at Purdue. Both UCLA and IU are good top jobs for different reasons, yet just like any coaching job it all depends on who the coach is at the time.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2017, 12:40:38 pm »

This depends on one's definition of "quality of life."  I guess if you're a Kardashian...

My wife is childhood friends with the older ones (Kim, Courtney and Khloe). From time to time we have to do baby showers, kids birthday parties, random holidays together. I can personally attest that the greatest blight on life in Los Angeles is the Kardashians. Though technically they dwell in Calabasas (a vanilla, soulless, "look how rich I am" community NW of LA) and random clubs scattered throughout Hollywood, West Hollywood and Santa Monica... they're pretty far removed from UCLA basketball. Though with Khloe's track record -- Lonzo Ball might want to watch out.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2017, 12:45:48 pm »

Indiana was a premier job but the cavalcade of guys parading through their since Knight left is a bit uninspiring:  Davis, Sampson, Crean. 

Alford has a losing record in the B10, and before landing the Balls was probably a year away from being let go at UCLA.

Brad Stevens is one to watch as is Hoiberg.  Get a young energetic guy but one that won't crumble under the weight of the IU job.  As far as college coaches go I'd make Marshall the number 1 target.  I think he's got the ego to handle IU.
Brad Stevens is currently in second place in the East... so that's not happening
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2017, 12:48:40 pm »

Could be that Indiana's claim to greatness is similar to Arkansas's. Both schools hired coaches who lifted their programs to unprecedented heights + left in anger after their programs no longer were elite. Fans of both schools believe they should return to where they were.
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« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2017, 12:49:34 pm »

Brad Stevens is currently in second place in the East... so that's not happening

Indiana isn't as attractive as it used to be either.
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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2017, 12:51:51 pm »

Why is it I have this feeling that - if Arkansas were making a coaching hire today - Jeff Long's best idea would have been Tom Crean (if not Cuonzo Martin)?

No matter how dissatisfied I've been at times with Razorback basketball since MA was hired, nothing ever makes me feel good about the idea of Long hiring another basketball coach.

Two words ought to disqualify him from ever doing it again: Jimmy Dykes.

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Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2017, 12:53:31 pm »

Could be that Indiana's claim to greatness is similar to Arkansas's. Both schools hired coaches who lifted their programs to unprecedented heights + left in anger after their programs no longer were elite. Fans of both schools believe they should return to where they were.

As much as I love my Hogs, I don't think you can compare Arkansas basketball tradition and Indiana University tradition.  Wish we could, but we can't.
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« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2017, 12:54:17 pm »

Could be that Indiana's claim to greatness is similar to Arkansas's. Both schools hired coaches who lifted their programs to unprecedented heights + left in anger after their programs no longer were elite. Fans of both schools believe they should return to where they were.

There is some similarities but Branch McCracken had won two National titles at IU before Knight became their coach. They were already considered as a somewhat elite program when Knight arrived. Arkansas had some success but not quite to that level. I agree with the premise of your post mostly though. Coaches left in anger and fans clamor for and believe they should return to glory. Unfortunately it isn't as easy as some fans think it should be.
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