Cal is a cheater

[gmarv]

Kentucky has always cheated, Cal has always cheated therefore a match made in cheaters heaven.  The cheating is institutionalized at Kentucky, that is part of what led to Eddie Sutton's downfall there.

Fixed it for you.

[Tusks]

Fixed it for you.

Eddie not realizing he was in UK was his downfall.

[lutherheggs]

Anderson is 4-7 against Calipari, dummy.

Try reading with comprehension, dummy. I did not refer to what has happened. I stated what I think WILL occur.

[lutherheggs]

I cant believe espn  is making a 30 for 30 about him and Kentucky basketball. I hope they talk about his cheating ways at his other coaching jobs.

That show will be on all his success as multiple programs and his fight with the insane coach at Temple. Oh, and his invite to the HOF.

[Sed76]

And once again I'll ask, what has Cal done that is HOF worthy? Vacated Final Fours, failed NBA career, a whopping 1 title despite pulling #1 recruiting classes every year. Just because Dickie V and ESPN slobber all over him it doesn't make him John Wooden.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Eddie not realizing he was in UK was his downfall.

Continuing to recruit and rely heavily on guys named Jack Daniels, Jim Beam and Evan Williams had a little something to do with it too.

[Timfromlittlerockhog]

Continuing to recruit and rely heavily on guys named Jack Daniels, Jim Beam and Evan Williams had a little something to do with it too.

Hey leave my buddies out of this. 

[Timfromlittlerockhog]

were knee pads involved

You know they were. I can think of a couple of posters posing as hog fans who were waiting in line for their turn as well.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

And once again I'll ask, what has Cal done that is HOF worthy? Vacated Final Fours, failed NBA career, a whopping 1 title despite pulling #1 recruiting classes every year. Just because Dickie V and ESPN slobber all over him it doesn't make him John Wooden.

What Cal thinks of your opinion..

[Timfromlittlerockhog]

Nah it wasn't funny business on our part either when Monk moved to NW Ark, got a new house, momma a new job and brother a GA role with the basketball team either, right?

Yeah we do it too. Most people don't get that. What makes Monk sorry is taking all of that then going to play for our rivals. Pox on him.

[Razorbackers]

Try reading with comprehension, dummy. I did not refer to what has happened. I stated what I think WILL occur.

I don't think Arkansas will beat KY again as long as Anderson is at Ark and Cal is at KY.

But he's beat him 4 times.

So your point is silly.

[Tusks]

Continuing to recruit and rely heavily on guys named Jack Daniels, Jim Beam and Evan Williams had a little something to do with it too.

Along with other things.

[ShadowHawg]

Nah it wasn't funny business on our part either when Monk moved to NW Ark, got a new house, momma a new job and brother a GA role with the basketball team either, right?

Evidently not. He went to Kentucky.

You could possibly look into Bentonville High over that. I know Wal-Mart has used its "influence" in the past to help the high school out.

[ShadowHawg]

Yeah we do it too. Most people don't get that. What makes Monk sorry is taking all of that then going to play for our rivals. Pox on him.

This is the biggest bs take. I get sick of seeing it.

Our athletic department is one of the wealthiest in all of college sports.

Our state has one of the highest densities of millionaires per capita in the country.

Basically, we can buy players with private or institutional funds almost literally at will. But it is your assertion that we have done it for 50 years now and just been terrible at it.

No program is perfectly clean, but my gosh, very few are as corrupt as KY basketball has been historically.

Stop trying to equate us with that garbage.

[pignatious]

Calipari is low life mafia owned cheating grease ball. Worst thing about college basketball. Kentucky cheating their ass off protected by mob-run NCAA. Screw Monk. Hope he is made to feel like everyone here hates him because they do.

[moses_007]

Well, like him or hate him, he is the only coach in America that can take 5 new players every single year and WIN THE SEC AND MAKE THE NCAA TOURNEY.

Name one other coach who could do that?  There isn't one.

[LZH]

Well, like him or hate him, he is the only coach in America that can take 5 new players every single year and WIN THE SEC AND MAKE THE NCAA TOURNEY.

Name one other coach who could do that?  There isn't one.

If Cal were coaching at Arkansas this thread would be flipped 180 degrees defending everything he does.

[Ugly Uncle]

If Cal were coaching at Arkansas this thread would be flipped 180 degrees defending everything he does.

Not by me.  Not by many.  I think you are wrong.  I think Hog fans hate cheating almost as much as losing. 

[LZH]

Not by me.  Not by many.  I think you are wrong.  I think Hog fans hate cheating almost as much as losing. 

Hog fans in general, you are probably right. But on this board, particularly this thread, I think the blind loyalty that we see for both of our big money coaches would spill over into whoever is running the show at the time.

It was a jab at them, mostly. I am just starting a four-hour drive to Miami so I have to have something to keep me entertained.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Well, like him or hate him, he is the only coach in America that can take buy the best 5 new players every single year and WIN THE SEC AND MAKE THE NCAA TOURNEY.

Name one other coach who could do that?  There isn't one.

Hey moses, I fixt it fer ya.

[tbhogfan]

For all the complements Cal gets about "getting the best players" and "getting them to play hard," the bottom line is that he has won one National Championship at Kentucky.  With the level of talent he gets every year, his teams have underachieved.  They beat up on a relatively weak SEC and then fizzle out.

His football counterpart in getting the best players, Nick Saban has won five NC's at two schools.  They beat up an extremely strong SEC Football conference, then often win it all.

[Timfromlittlerockhog]

This is the biggest bs take. I get sick of seeing it.

Our athletic department is one of the wealthiest in all of college sports.

Our state has one of the highest densities of millionaires per capita in the country.

Basically, we can buy players with private or institutional funds almost literally at will. But it is your assertion that we have done it for 50 years now and just been terrible at it.

No program is perfectly clean, but my gosh, very few are as corrupt as KY basketball has been historically.

Stop trying to equate us with that garbage.

Dude most of the time we see eye to eye. But come on. We have been on probation before. Remember the guy in Dallas and Houston's two year pass ? Remember the sanctions during the later part of Nolan's tenure ? We do it. Its just not as easy to recruit to NWA offering the same amount as a school like say Alabama in football. Every school in the SEC does it. When you get so carried away with it that you suddenly have a top class out of nowhere (Ole Miss) then you draw attention to yourself and get the Ax. Arkansas is just a bit smarter about it. Sorry but we do it.

[rljjr]

Hog fans in general, you are probably right. But on this board, particularly this thread, I think the blind loyalty that we see for both of our big money coaches would spill over into whoever is running the show at the time.

It was a jab at them, mostly. I am just starting a four-hour drive to Miami so I have to have something to keep me entertained.

We need somebody to hate, and Cal being a grease ball, and Kentucky being a cheating program (albeit a winning one) with media sycophants and socialist super fan Ashely, provides us with the perfect recipe.

[HogAllMighty]

The question: Who is perceived by college coaches to be the biggest cheater in the sport?

John Calipari (Kentucky): 36 percent.
Scott Drew (Baylor): 34 percent.
Ben Howland (UCLA): 12 percent.
Jim Calhoun (Connecticut): 7 percent.
Tom Crean (Indiana): 3 percent.
Dave Rice (UNLV): 3 percent.

[lutherheggs]

If Cal were coaching at Arkansas this thread would be flipped 180 degrees defending everything he does.

Bingo. If it was announced next month that Anderson had "found another job" and that Calipari decided he wanted out of the pressure cooker that is KY basketball and had agreed to a 5 year $25 million contract to coach the Razorbacks, the entire Hogville fanbase would line up from Fayetteville to LR to kiss his ring, his arse and give him a reach around.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Bingo. If it was announced next month that Anderson had "found another job" and that Calipari decided he wanted out of the pressure cooker that is KY basketball and had agreed to a 5 year $25 million contract to coach the Razorbacks, the entire Hogville fanbase would line up from Fayetteville to LR to kiss his ring, his arse and give him a reach around.

I wouldn't.  And if they hired him, I'd just root for all the other sports.  Sorry; gotta take a stand against guys like him.

[LZH]

Bingo. If it was announced next month that Anderson had "found another job" and that Calipari decided he wanted out of the pressure cooker that is KY basketball and had agreed to a 5 year $25 million contract to coach the Razorbacks, the entire Hogville fanbase would line up from Fayetteville to LR to kiss his ring, his arse and give him a reach around.

Ha! If I knew he could get us to the Final Four without burning the program to the ground, I may be one of them!   

[ChicoHog]

We don't know that, he's just that only one that has that opportunity.

Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas are pretty close every year with the talent level.  I believe Duke had the top class last year but I may be mistaken. 

[onebadrubi]

Duke, UNC, UCLA, Kansas are pretty close every year with the talent level.  I believe Duke had the top class last year but I may be mistaken.

Are you using UCLA and UNC as examples of schools that don't do things the NCAA deems illegal? 

[WorfHog]

For all the complements Cal gets about "getting the best players" and "getting them to play hard," the bottom line is that he has won one National Championship at Kentucky.  With the level of talent he gets every year, his teams have underachieved.  They beat up on a relatively weak SEC and then fizzle out.

His football counterpart in getting the best players, Nick Saban has won five NC's at two schools.  They beat up an extremely strong SEC Football conference, then often win it all.

To be fair it's easier to win in football, but Cal isn't 1/2 the coach Saban is. Saban is a master manager, recruiter and coach.

[LRrazorback]

Cal uses others to do his cheating for him. Google worldwide Wes.  I've heard he pays www, who has relationships with lots of the top recruits, and pushes them to Cal, whether he's at Kentucky or Memphis.

[LRrazorback]

Here's a good article concerning Cal cheating. It's summed up at the end of the article.

http://www.fromthisseat.com/index.php/blog/19112-are-kentucky-s-john-calipari-and-william-worldwide-wes-wesley-cheating-the-system

[rude1]

Eddie not realizing he was in UK was his downfall.

Eddie as usual was drunk at the wheel while at UK, pretty much that was the scene repeated throughout his whole career, every where he coached.

[hobhog]

I wouldn't.  And if they hired him, I'd just root for all the other sports.  Sorry; gotta take a stand against guys like him.

Me either. I have met the guy. Clammy handshake and just oozes slime. I'd be ashamed....

[CallMeAl]

For all his faults and his detractors the guys is still a very under rated coach.  His guys play hard and he will not tolerate his guys if they don't give it their all.  He has great talent but he also makes them better with his tenacity. 

It is easier to coach a team with a lot of talent. There are a lot of good coaches that could do well with the talent that Nike buys Calipari. The same goes for Geno Auriemma in the women's game. It is a lot easier to win with the best talent. I'm not saying they are bad coaches. They are good. Just not better than any other decent coach. They just have better talent.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Me either. I have met the guy. Clammy handshake and just oozes slime. I'd be ashamed....

My God, I hope you used hand sanitizer immediately after.

[Inhogswetrust]

Well, like him or hate him, he is the only coach in America that can take 5 new players every single year and WIN THE SEC AND MAKE THE NCAA TOURNEY.

Name one other coach who could do that?  There isn't one.

IF they recruit like he does there are a lot that could. The thing is with all that "young" talent he 's only won one title and still complains about his teams being "young" all the time.

[Inhogswetrust]

If Cal were coaching at Arkansas this thread would be flipped 180 degrees defending everything he does.

Not by me. I live in a Memphis suburb and saw and read daily all about him and his program. People that don't think he is a good coach are wrong but he IS a slime ball. I don't want a slime ball for a coach.   

[LZH]

Not by me. I live in a Memphis suburb and saw and read daily all about him and his program. People that don't think he is a good coach are wrong but he IS a slime ball. I don't want a slime ball for a coach.   

Most everyone said that about Petrino after he interviewed for the Auburn gig behind TT's back. Slimeball he was, until he became OUR slimeball. I have little doubt that if he were here and we were a #1 seed Calipari and his baggage would be a hero in Arkansas. That's just how we are...no doubt in my mind.

If you say you don't like him and would not want him here, then I believe you.  But I also believe a lot of people's opinions would change if he were to land in Fayetteville for whatever reason. Winning covers up a lot of misdeeds.

[Science Fiction Greg]

If Cal were coaching at Arkansas this thread would be flipped 180 degrees defending everything he does.

If Cal were coaching at Arkansas, I would not be here.  I 100% promise you that.  We hire a known cheater like that I hit the road and never look back.  Homie don't play dat.

[Inhogswetrust]

Most everyone said that about Petrino after he interviewed for the Auburn gig behind TT's back. Slimeball he was, until he became OUR slimeball. I have little doubt that if he were here and we were a #1 seed Calipari and his baggage would be a hero in Arkansas. That's just how we are...no doubt in my mind.

If you say you don't like him and would not want him here, then I believe you.  But I also believe a lot of people's opinions would change if he were to land in Fayetteville for whatever reason. Winning covers up a lot of misdeeds.

I don't want a slime ball or snake oil salesman or preacher as our coach. We've had all three types in the past. Everyone around here knew of Petrino's reputation as a harda@@. They didn't necessarily know he was a cheater/slime in a different way as well. Everyone around Memphis knew Cal was a slime ball and a cheat. That being said sure some don't care about what a catch is as long as he wins. I'm not one of those. I have no problem with coaches clandestinely looking at other jobs. It happens ALL the time in the "real" world as well.

[rude1]

This isn't new, Cal. and wide world wes have been joined at the hip since Cal was at Memphis, KY just offered a bigger stage for them to work their dealings in. Unless they get caught getting cheating to get another bluechip eligible like what happened in Memphis, it's going to nearly impossible to prove anything.

[RacinRazorback]

Sad on the NCAA and the NBA to let this happen. Calislimmy went to a bball school that will never be busted for anything major and they [kensucky} know that. The NBA have watered down the league with so many college one and dones that weren't ready for the NBA. Some of the one and dones work out, but certainly some don't and may never. The NBA is so crappy I won't watch a game, lack of seasoned players makes it far worse than the NCAA games. These young players should have to stay in college for a 2 year min, preferably 3! It would help the college game and the NBA tremendously! Just my opinion!

[lutherheggs]

Me either. I have met the guy. Clammy handshake and just oozes slime. I'd be ashamed....

Shook his hand? Yeah, you know him well. I've had dinner with him...3 couples at the table. I don't know him.

[onebadrubi]

Sad on the NCAA and the NBA to let this happen. Calislimmy went to a bball school that will never be busted for anything major and they [kensucky} know that. The NBA have watered down the league with so many college one and dones that weren't ready for the NBA. Some of the one and dones work out, but certainly some don't and may never. The NBA is so crappy I won't watch a game, lack of seasoned players makes it far worse than the NCAA games. These young players should have to stay in college for a 2 year min, preferably 3! It would help the college game and the NBA tremendously! Just my opinion!

You mean the 76'ers expirement with every top 1 and done isn't ever going to pan out?  Bummer! 

The NBA looks at it like they would rather get that player in their system as soon as possible.  They like the 1 and done but don't really want to ever get involved in it.  Also the Players Association likes it, faster they get their hands on the money.  Sadly, I don't see it changing because it's something the NBA and Players assocation has to get on board wtih too. 

[ArkansasI]

This has been stated by sour grapers for over 20 years now. Yet, Cal continues to be the head coach at one of the 2 or 3 best programs in college basketball and continues to kick all asses, including Arkansas'. I don't think Arkansas will beat KY again as long as Anderson is at Ark and Cal is at KY.

The entire history of Kentucky basketball is bathed in cheating. It is disgraceful.

[UKChamps]

The entire history of Kentucky basketball is bathed in championships. It is the pinnacle.

FTFY. 

[Inhogswetrust]

FTFY. 

It's not the pinnacle of championships but of things less desirable.By the way UCLA still holds the most titles.

[root_hawg]

Dont think Coach Cal has ever been implicated in any NCAA investigations, in fact I think he was found guiltless in both cases.

[KentuckyFan]

Cal has a lot of coaching flaws.  He's very stubborn and the 2010 team and the 2015 team are going to go down as epic disappointments for not winning titles.  UK fans also blame him even more because these 2 seasons, his failure to win with clearly all-time great UK teams, gave Duke 2 more titles.  Some will never let him get over that.

With that said, generally, Cal is above the par for teams that have huge player turnover and OAD's.  Look at many of the one off years when a coach has OAD?  Look at Tom Izzo, just with his class this year?  Barely made the NCAA's, and people would usually put his "coaching" above Cal's.  Look at what Sean Miller has done with his OAD's?  Never made the Final Four.  Bill Self since he started getting OAD's?  Never won a title.  Made 1 Final Four.