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Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« on: March 01, 2017, 03:04:11 pm »

Does this add any pressure on the football program to improve in what some has labeled a "do or die" season for BB?

Or

Does this give BB some leverage in pushing the idea that good things happen to those who wait and for Razorback fans to give him more time?

Also considering waiting, how long is too long or is there really a such thing as too long? I mean who really knows when a coach will hit his stride, if ever.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2017, 03:07:18 pm »

Has no impact on anything.




It isn't a do or die season next year.  He is here 2 more years
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2017, 03:10:50 pm »

Has no impact on anything.




It isn't a do or die season next year.  He is here 2 more years
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2017, 03:18:00 pm »

15 millions reasons as to no impact....sadly
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2017, 03:29:41 pm »

The love for Mike Anderson hinges on every ballgame. 90% of Hogville  may want him fired again in 2 weeks.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2017, 03:30:34 pm »

The love for Mike Anderson hinges on every ballgame. 90% of Hogville  may want him fired again in 2 weeks.
Don't you mean about 9:00pm tonight?
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2017, 03:31:22 pm »

The love for Mike Anderson hinges on every ballgame. 90% of Hogville  may want him fired again in 2 weeks.


Good thing 90% of hogville MAY be 5% of the fan base at best, and 0% of the people who make those decisions
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2017, 03:33:18 pm »

Hoping to eke out a bid to the NCAA tourney in the coach's sixth year in no way defines success.   But it's a good time to go get a good coach.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2017, 04:14:35 pm by hamARchy in the USA »
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2017, 04:19:57 pm »

I want the Hogs to win every game. Football, basketball baseball whatever. So Mike winning now is good for the now. Not necessarily for the future of the program. I hope it is, but I'm not convinced.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2017, 04:35:34 pm »

Has no impact on anything.




It isn't a do or die season next year.  He is here 2 more years
Totally agree with your assessment. BTW for CBB it could be more than two more years; much depends on this next season's progress (or lack thereof).
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2017, 04:42:31 pm »

Hoping to eke out a bid to the NCAA tourney in the coach's sixth year in no way defines success.   But it's a good time to go get a good coach.
Eke out a bid??? We're in regardless of what happens the next 3 games. I wouldn't call that eking out a bid.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2017, 05:32:27 pm »

Eke out a bid??? We're in regardless of what happens the next 3 games. I wouldn't call that eking out a bid.
Wouldn't necessarily bet my life on that particular scenario. Let's assume we lose each of the next three games. Even with a 20+ wins this season that MIGHT not be good enough to secure an automatic bid. Depends to some degree on how some other teams "on the edge" do during/after tournaments. The SEC ISN'T exactly a power house conference in round ball. 
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2017, 05:54:16 pm »

We are in the NCAA and I don't think we will tank.

Mike has this program on the rise. Recruiting is good and we are getting a lot better. I fully expect the future of Mike and this program to go up, up, up and away! HOGS!
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2017, 06:17:16 pm »

Anyone capable of rubbing a couple of brain cells together knows both are safe. Read this article until you get it. It's a good barometer of how those without an agenda feel. In other words a vast majority.

www.seccountry.com/arkansas/grading-arkansas-sports-programs
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2017, 06:29:24 pm »

I think MA getting the basketball team on a winning track will give Razorback nation a reminder of what winning feels like. It will put pressure on BB to pull the football program out of the mediocrity that consumes it. Or be fired. Next year.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2017, 06:46:36 pm »

Hog BB is still on the bubble.  I wouldn't call it a success yet.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2017, 08:03:20 pm »

I think MA getting the basketball team on a winning track will give Razorback nation a reminder of what winning feels like. It will put pressure on BB to pull the football program out of the mediocrity that consumes it. Or be fired. Next year.

BB wins 7 games this year and next year and he will still be safe. He can do that for 4 more years and still be safe. 
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2017, 08:04:23 pm »

The continued failure or newfound success of MA is of ZERO consequence to the football program.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2017, 08:21:07 pm »

You are obviously bored.  Try bowling...
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2017, 12:42:57 am »

MA has 5 guys on the court at a time.  Much much much easier to get a program turned around as 1 player can make a YUGE (said in Trump voice) difference.  I wouldn't count what he has done (or not done really) as a success.

That being said, BB hasn't been impressive either.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2017, 01:15:01 am »

Bad for BB, we want success in football and a new coach is the best option.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2017, 08:43:03 am »

I don't see how so many people fail to see that CBB is a complete failure. We were told when he was hired that he was some type of defensive guru. Yet he has had to fire both Ash and Smith. Clearly he's not the defensive specialists we were all sold on. Without Dan Enos we would be in major trouble. Sometimes I think the only thinking keeping Dan here is a promise at being the head coach here when failure is finally shown the door.

For the record I never liked the hire. 0-13 didn't do anything to change that opinion. And neither did the end of season collapse last year. I see a coach who makes no in game adjustments and is still making the same mistakes on defense in year four that he was making in year one.

Oh and in case you haven't figured it out. I feel like firing Petrino was boneheaded, arrogant and stupid. Jeff is the one who should have gone. Then we could have hired an AD with thicker skin.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2017, 09:32:37 am »

Ash wasn't fired.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2017, 10:15:59 am »

Why would the football coach feel any pressure from the basketball program that just two weeks ago was teetering on the edge of not making the tournament?

 
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2017, 10:47:00 am »

Anyone capable of rubbing a couple of brain cells together knows both are safe. Read this article until you get it. It's a good barometer of how those without an agenda feel. In other words a vast majority.

www.seccountry.com/arkansas/grading-arkansas-sports-programs

Not sure why everyone that just wants our winning football and basketball teams back is said to have an agenda.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2017, 10:57:57 am »

Not sure why everyone that just wants our winning football and basketball teams back is said to have an agenda.

Naa not everyone. Those that do use that as their justification though. There are posters who never approved of the CBB hire that will never give him any credit and that's the annoying part. It has been pretty easy to categorize what camp people are in.

BTW, what part of Florida are you in? I am going to be in New Orleans for a week in April for work, and then will be in Florida for a bit. If close, we could get together and play a round or 2 while enjoying some refreshments :)
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2017, 11:19:27 am »

Naa not everyone. Those that do use that as their justification though. There are posters who never approved of the CBB hire that will never give him any credit and that's the annoying part. It has been pretty easy to categorize what camp people are in.

BTW, what part of Florida are you in? I am going to be in New Orleans for a week in April for work, and then will be in Florida for a bit. If close, we could get together and play a round or 2 while enjoying some refreshments :)

I didn't really care for him when he got here but he has since at least proven he is not an idiot. I just don't think he or MA are the ones get us back to where we want to be.

I live in the Tampa Bay Area. Place called Belleair Bluffs which is just North of St. Pete.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2017, 11:30:27 am »

Anyone capable of rubbing a couple of brain cells together knows both are safe. Read this article until you get it. It's a good barometer of how those without an agenda feel. In other words a vast majority.

www.seccountry.com/arkansas/grading-arkansas-sports-programs

Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2017, 11:39:35 am »

Keep beating the drum - it's working!
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2017, 12:05:17 pm »

Is a bubble team success?
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2017, 12:26:39 pm »

No doubt both coaches deserve some criticism because neither has Arkansas basketball & football where it needs to be.  I do think Arkansas is probably a tougher rebuild than most places and there needs to be some continuity.  I don't think replacing coaches ever 3 to 4 years is the answer.  I know some on here believe Arkansas can hire anyone in the country NCAA or NFL/NBA if they wanted to, but that's not true.  More than likely it will be someone who is an up and comer or successful coach at another conference.  Both current coaches had success at other conferences but haven't replicated it here.  So IMO it's another gamble.  At some point if things are moving forward or are going backward it's time to move on. 

It's a lot easier to rebuild a basketball team than football and MA is on year 6.  If MA didn't/doesn't get this team to the big dance then it might be time to move on.  It looks like he will so that is good as I feel if he can make it through this year he will be okay.  His recruiting has gotten a lot better so there should be more talent coming to the hill so I expect for his teams to start making the tourney on a regular basis and make a sweet 16 or elite 8 run every 4 years.  That's what I expected when he was hired. 

As far as BB if it took MA 6 years to rebuild the basketball team then I am willing to see how next year goes.  As long as things don't go backwards I am okay with a 6th year.  Now if his max number of wins after year 6 is still 8 counting the bowl game then it's probably time to start looking at another FB coach.

So I guess to answer the question is it might give him a little leverage since the BB team took awhile to get things going.  I still think next season is big.  He can't take a step back and really needs to get at least 8 in the regular season.  I do get a kick out of the posters on here that want BB fired but were going crazy when people wanted MA gone.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2017, 12:35:16 pm »

What about Van Horns big comeback yesterday? How does that affect the basketball team? Does it bode bad?

Or maybe Jimmy Dykes loses will bode well for everyone.

I just bode.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2017, 12:40:19 pm »

Does this add any pressure on the football program to improve in what some has labeled a "do or die" season for BB?

Or

Does this give BB some leverage in pushing the idea that good things happen to those who wait and for Razorback fans to give him more time?

Also considering waiting, how long is too long or is there really a such thing as too long? I mean who really knows when a coach will hit his stride, if ever.
Aside from making the groupthink faction squirm in disgust, it changes nothing as far as winning expectations in football.
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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2017, 12:54:20 pm »

I think anytime a major sports program is successful it puts pressure on the other sports to perform.  That's not a no brainer.  You see success in football then you go to a sorry basketball program, the fans get uneasy, sales go down, and essentially it can hurt the brand of the university.  It can be compared as apples to oranges in our situation because both are still average to slightly above average, which doesn't really add a lot of pressure.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2017, 04:19:54 pm »

I think MA getting the basketball team on a winning track will give Razorback nation a reminder of what winning feels like. It will put pressure on BB to pull the football program out of the mediocrity that consumes it. Or be fired. Next year.
Sorry, Charlie. That AIN'T going to happen. Glad to see you're the usual optimistic, cheerful self.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2017, 04:23:13 pm »

Bad for BB, we want success in football and a new coach is the best option.
As I've said previously: your avatar indicates "I Am Fat"!!!. Yep, impacting your reasoning and clear-headed thinking with all the "pork" on your body. A new coach is not necessarily our best option; let's begin more with the one(s) we have.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2017, 04:28:38 pm »

What about Van Horns big comeback yesterday? How does that affect the basketball team? Does it bode bad?

Or maybe Jimmy Dykes loses will bode well for everyone.

I just bode.

Awful bode of you to say that......
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2017, 04:42:49 pm »

Aside from making the groupthink faction squirm in disgust, it changes nothing as far as winning expectations in football.

Group think? The old saying is patience is a virtue, not instant gratification. Wisdom...get you some.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2017, 08:17:17 pm »

Group think? The old saying is patience is a virtue, not instant gratification. Wisdom...get you some.
Who I'm referring to should maybe practice what you preach.

Speaking of wisdom...since you are obviously one of the most intelligent people on here, and most everyone else is beneath you as you tell us in pretty much every single post, what type of wisdom does it take to pull something like this?:

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=618427.msg10471437#msg10471437

To come on here and start a thread proclaiming this place is beneath you, etc.  only to come back?

I believe this will be the last time I ever respond to you. You literally do nothing on here but insult people one on one. People disagree on here all the time....but fortunately most of the time can do so without constantly singling one another out calling each other stupid, idiots, etc.

It's whatever...carry on and you be you. Welcome to the ignore list.

"Adios"

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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2017, 08:54:07 pm »

I didn't curse or call anyone names. Thou doth protest too much. It happens. Protests to my posts typically come from the less intelligent.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2017, 10:17:22 pm »

Guy starts stupid thread with obvious incorrect info and is way off in his assessment of MA to intentionally stir the pot in regards to CBB.... Troll
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2017, 12:46:07 am »

Who I'm referring to should maybe practice what you preach.

Speaking of wisdom...since you are obviously one of the most intelligent people on here, and most everyone else is beneath you as you tell us in pretty much every single post, what type of wisdom does it take to pull something like this?:

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=618427.msg10471437#msg10471437

To come on here and start a thread proclaiming this place is beneath you, etc.  only to come back?

I believe this will be the last time I ever respond to you. You literally do nothing on here but insult people one on one. People disagree on here all the time....but fortunately most of the time can do so without constantly singling one another out calling each other stupid, idiots, etc.

It's whatever...carry on and you be you. Welcome to the ignore list.

"Adios"

not taking sides here, but for what its worth its usually the stupid people that do get singled out.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2017, 02:06:39 am »

MA has 5 guys on the court at a time.  Much much much easier to get a program turned around as 1 player can make a YUGE (said in Trump voice) difference.  I wouldn't count what he has done (or not done really) as a success.

That being said, BB hasn't been impressive either.

Good point. Arkansas produces 2 to 3 4 stars a year. If MA could land 2 of them, that's basically half his recruiting class every year. Arkansas would have to produce about 12 4 stars a year in football for BB to have the same talent to work with. Bottom line, it's much easier for our basketball program to sustain a high level of success. MA, Pelphrey, Heath have all underperformed relative to the in-state talent they have had to work with.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2017, 08:25:41 am »

So far MA has made the NCAA once in six years, I would say that does not put pressure on anyone.  I also think our AD is smart enough to know that these sports are completely different and that the rebuild time is also completely different.

Now if this is a serious question, it should likely be phrased as such:  Does the fact that it has taken MA six years to make it to the NCAA 2 times give BB even more time?
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2017, 08:47:19 am »

I doubt it, but I hope it rubs off on football and baseball.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2017, 08:59:34 am »

Anderson's success is not what puts pressure on CBB. Petrino's is another matter. Bobby had the team balling in year three. CBB on the other hand still hasn't figured it out. Apparently he needs twice the time. In my opinion that makes him half the coach.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2017, 10:07:44 am »

Anderson's success is not what puts pressure on CBB. Petrino's is another matter. Bobby had the team balling in year three. CBB on the other hand still hasn't figured it out. Apparently he needs twice the time. In my opinion that makes him half the coach.
If you are still not understanding the difference between those two situations...
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2017, 11:14:31 am »

The recent success of MA? Do you mean the recent 5 game win streak that followed losing 3 of 4 in humiliating fashion? Or do you mean making the ncaat twice ( probably ) in 6 season? MA has had less success in a much weaker SEC than BB has had in a conference that is much better in football than basketball.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2017, 11:19:03 am »

The recent success of MA? Do you mean the recent 5 game win streak that followed losing 3 of 4 in humiliating fashion? Or do you mean making the ncaat twice ( probably ) in 6 season? MA has had less success in a much weaker SEC than BB has had in a conference that is much better in football than basketball.
Right?.?.?  I swear some only look at a five game snapshot under MA and act like he has taken us deep into the NCAA tourney, rather than just making it there once in six years and seeing a quick exit then.
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Re: Does the recent success of MA bode good or bad for BB?
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2017, 11:23:24 am »

I think there both still on same path. Making the tourney is basically the same as a bowl game. They both beat (most of the time) the teams they're suppose to. Difference is that before the tournament, they look at the cupcakes you beat. We're probably in but the fact that our best win is South Carolina and bad losses to Mizzou and Vandy doesn't bode well. Hope they do well in SEC Tourney
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