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Which Arkansas team would you say had the best offense in school history?
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Re: Which Arkansas team had the all-time greatest offense in school history?
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2017, 05:14:38 pm »

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Re: Which Arkansas team had the all-time greatest offense in school history?
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2017, 06:03:53 pm »

I can't quote the numbers but 1970, 1989, 2007, and 2011 come to mind right away.
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Re: Which Arkansas team had the all-time greatest offense in school history?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2017, 07:16:48 pm »

Which Arkansas team would you say had the best offense in school history?

Total Offensive Yards (Season)

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/football-team-total-offense-records/

Fewest Defensive Yards Allowed (Rushing + Passing-Season)

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/team-defense-records/#fewest-yards
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Re: Which Arkansas team had the all-time greatest offense in school history?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2017, 08:07:04 pm »

I can't quote the numbers but 1970, 1989, 2007, and 2011 come to mind right away.

2010 was better than 2011. The 2010 year was the best offensive year in history and 2015 was 2nd best in history.
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Re: Which Arkansas team had the all-time greatest offense in school history?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2017, 09:27:40 pm »

I was honestly surprised how high 2016 ranked. The perception was very different.
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In my opinion the 2010 with Mallet, the emergence of Knile, Childs, Adams, Wright, Hammilton and Williams and Gragg.  The O-line had Swanson and Bailey and other decent linemen.  We were pretty complete and balanced, (meaning we were successful running and passing).  I know we liked to throw it then but why wouldn't you when you have that kind of fire power.  Then we were able to close out the LSU game on the ground with Knile.
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2010.  We were a threat to score at any time and from anywhere on the field.  Mallett and the receiving corps stretched the defense unlike any Arkansas offense in history and Knile Davis had a 6-7 game stretch to end the season that may have been as good or better than any Arkansas back in history. 
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2010 was the best.
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2010 without a doubt.  2006, 2003, 2011 get honorable mention.  Much farther back and you have to start the "for its time" line of thinking.
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2010, IMO.
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2010 & 2011 is the best I've ever witnessed.
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1998 wasn't bad either with Stoerner, Lucas, Joe Dean Davenport, Chrys Chukwuma and Madre Hill.  1989 with Grovey, Barry Foster, James Rouse and Derrick Russell.  And stepping into the Way-Back Machine, 1965 with Jon Brittenum, Bobby Burnett, Jim Lindsey, Harry Jones and Bobby Crockett. The '65 team led the nation in scoring offense while the '64 team led the nation in scoring defense. (Just more unnecessary trivia!)
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At the time the 1970 offense with Bill Montgomery, Bill Burnett, and Chuck Dicus was the highest scoring in Arkansas history.  In the seven games in the middle of the season they averaged 46 per game, and before Burnett suffered a shoulder injury against Texas A&M they were at 42.4 for the season.
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2010 was our best offense. Only losses were to three Top 5 teams.
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I would have guessed 77 would be higher than 15th in total yards. 
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1998 wasn't bad either with Stoerner, Lucas, Joe Dean Davenport, Chrys Chukwuma and Madre Hill.  1989 with Grovey, Barry Foster, James Rouse and Derrick Russell.  And stepping into the Way-Back Machine, 1965 with Jon Brittenum, Bobby Burnett, Jim Lindsey, Harry Jones and Bobby Crockett. The '65 team led the nation in scoring offense while the '64 team led the nation in scoring defense. (Just more unnecessary trivia!)
I know what we did in 2010 and 2011, when I read the thread title, 1998 and 1989 were the first 2 to come to my mind.
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I know what we did in 2010 and 2011, when I read the thread title, 1998 and 1989 were the first 2 to come to my mind.
WOOOOEE.........98 & 89 ? Lets see, that's an Omen.... 9+8=17 , 8+9=17...... "17' IS OUR YEAR!!!!!!
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1975 was very efficient - Rushing-  Upset Texas A&M and beat Georgia in the Cotton Bowl-  Finished 10-2 and Top 10

Ike Forte-Scott Bull-Roland Fusch- Michael Forrest- Ben Cowins rushing and Steve Little kicking Field Goals.   Best Rushing Team until McFadden, Jones, and Hillis

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WOOOOEE.........98 & 89 ? Lets see, that's an Omen.... 9+8=17 , 8+9=17...... "17' IS OUR YEAR!!!!!!
Bravo Well done!
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Have to agree about the 1975 offense. They started the season with Mike Kirkland at quarterback and Ike Forte and Jerry Eckwood as the starting running backs in the split-back Veer (Bo Rein brought that in his one year as OC).  Kirkland was a fantastic athlete who was finally ready to come into his own when he tore up a knee against Tulsa in the third game of the season and had to be replaced by Scott Bull.  Eckwood was neck-and-neck with Ricky Bell of USC for the national rushing lead until he injured HIS knee the week after the Texas game. When Eckwood went down, Roland Fuchs stepped in and the Hogs never missed a beat. Michael Forrest came on late that season as well. Throw in the "Immortal Teddy Barnes" and a line that included R.C. Thielman, Greg Koch, Gerald Skinner, Richard LaFargue and Leotis Harris and that was a pretty salty offense.
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2010 was our best offense. Only losses were to three Top 5 teams.

Agreed. And they were all close loses. Easily could have won all 3 of them.
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According to Hogville, any year BP was our HC.  Reality, a year for HDN, one for BP and one for BB.
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Total Offensive Yards (Season)

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/football-team-total-offense-records/

Fewest Defensive Yards Allowed (Rushing + Passing-Season)

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/team-defense-records/#fewest-yards

Lol at #6....2012 vs. A&M. 98 offensive plays, 515 total yards, and just one TD. Who says baby Petrino wasn't creative? That takes effort.
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1964
I would think 1965 but regardless, the rules have changed so much in the last 50 years benefiting the offense that a comparison with modern times is  meaningless.
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2010, Hands down
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I was honestly surprised how high 2016 ranked. The perception was very different.

2015 and 2016 both impressed me offensively. you can tell by looking at those numbers when Enos took over the offense.
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2015 and 2016 both impressed me offensively. you can tell by looking at those numbers when Enos took over the offense.

The 2015 offense fared better of the two in the RZ and outside the RZ. Not only did they average .53 points per play, but they averaged 23.9 points per game in the RZ and another 12 per game in scoring from outside the RZ. The 2016 offense dipped to .43 points per play, 21.4 inside the RZ and 9 points per game outside the RZ.

But both years the offense had to try to overcome a sinking defense from their 2014 production. The 2014 defense limited opponents to .30 points per play while the offense averaged .45 points per play for a net of +.15 points per game.

In 2015 the offense generated their .53 points per play while the defense gave up .43 points per play for a net of +.10 points per play.

In 2016 the offense generated .43 points per play but the defense sank back to worse than 2013 levels of production (.45 points per play) to a pretty horrible .49 points allowed per play giving us a net of -.06 points per play for the season. Oh how I would have loved to have had something similar to the 2014 Defense on the field this season. Despite some sluggishness in the offense at times, we might have won at least 2 more games than we did.
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I would think 1965 but regardless, the rules have changed so much in the last 50 years benefiting the offense that a comparison with modern times is  meaningless.

Fun fact:

In 1964, the Razorback defense led the nation by allowing just 57 points in 10 regular season games (5.7 per game), including 5 straight shutouts to close the season.

In 1965, the Razorback offense led the nation in scoring offense, putting up 32.4 points per game in an era where 100 yards passing was considered pretty good.
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2010 or 2015, based on numbers.  2015 had the most TD's, and if scoreboard matters most, then there ya go.

Now I'm gonna go :puke: because it has me thinking about the lack of defense that year.
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If 2015 was an all time great offense, then I can't think of a better example of stats being for losers.

They barely got the ball in the end zone against freegin' Toledo AND Texas Tech.
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If 2015 was an all time great offense, then I can't think of a better example of stats being for losers.

They barely got the ball in the end zone against freegin' Toledo AND Texas Tech.
Some people see what they want to see.
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Points per game in regulation, excluding overtime:

36.8 - 2011
36.5 - 1970
35.9 - 2010 <= The truly best Arkansas offense of all time
35.8 - 2009
35.6 - 2007
33.0 - 2015
32.6 - 1916
32.5 - 1998
32.4 - 1977
32.1 - 1989
32.1 - 1969

Let's look at some of these teams' scoring in SEC games only, in regulation.

2011 -
14 at Alabama
38 Auburn
29 at Ole Miss
31 at Vanderbilt
44 South Carolina
49 Tennessee
44 Mississippi State
17 at LSU

33.3 points per game

2010 -
31 at Georgia
20 Alabama
43 at Auburn
38 Ole Miss
49 Vanderbilt
41 at South Carolina
31 at Mississippi State
31 LSU

35.5 points per game

If you lived through those seasons, you'd scoff at any suggestion that 2011 was better than 2010. The simple thing to point out: In 2011, Arkansas scored 51 on Missouri State, 52 on New Mexico. That was a good offense, sure, but not up to 2010 standards. No Knile Davis.

2009 -
41 Georgia
7 at Alabama
44 Auburn
20 at Florida
17 at Ole Miss
33 South Carolina
42 Mississippi State
30 at LSU

29.3 points per game

2007 -
38 at Alabama
29 Kentucky
7 Auburn
44 at Ole Miss
48 South Carolina
13 at Tennessee
45 Mississippi State
28 at LSU

31.5 points per game

Scoring 38+ in SEC games four times in a season is great anytime. The low points in 2007 were unforgivably low, though. One TD at home against Auburn was dreadful. The Tennessee game was a no-show.

2015 -
21 vs. Texas A&M
24 at Tennessee
14 at Alabama
24 Auburn
45 at Ole Miss
31 at LSU
50 Mississippi State
28 Missouri

29.6 points per game

Don't take the 1970 numbers too seriously, either. Those results included a 62-point performance against badly depleted Wichita State, 49 on a lesser Tulsa team, and 40+ against bad TCU, Baylor and Texas A&M teams. The SWC was unusually weak in 1970. The Hogs lost 42-7 at Texas that season.
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Just for fun, let's add 2016 -
24 vs. Texas A&M
30 Alabama
34 Ole Miss
3 at Auburn
31 Florida
10 LSU
58 at Mississippi State
24 at Missouri

26.8 points per game

The Auburn game kept the Razorbacks from averaging more than 30 ppg in SEC play last season.
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Having followed the hogs since 1954, I would rank the 1965 team as the best offense playing in an era where ball control and defense  dominated.  Sadly, if Jon Brittenum had not played with a partial shoulder separation during the second half of the cotton bowl, the UA would have celebrated a 2nd consecutive national title. To quote the great dandy don meredith...If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry Xmas.
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Having followed the hogs since 1954, I would rank the 1965 team as the best offense playing in an era where ball control and defense  dominated.  Sadly, if Jon Brittenum had not played with a partial shoulder separation during the second half of the cotton bowl, the UA would have celebrated a 2nd consecutive national title. To quote the great dandy don meredith...If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry Xmas.

The '65 Razorbacks averaged almost 35 ppg against six opponents with losing records and not quite 25 ppg against five opponents with winning records.

They fattened their scoring average with 55 points vs. a really bad North Texas team. That season, Arkansas played nobody that finished with fewer than three losses, including the LSU team that held the Hogs to 7 points in the Cotton Bowl.

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