Once and for all on Byers

[Porked Tongue]

Bama has withdrawn their offer.  It was a few days ago but now has leaked.

Everyone doubting the Hogs non-recruitment can now relax.  Not everything is in the public eye.

Let's wish this Arkansas product Byers well with his next step.

[tophawg19]

Guess Saban didn't bring enough money. He may go without a DT this season

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

Bama has withdrawn their offer.  It was a few days ago but now has leaked.

Everyone doubting the Hogs non-recruitment can now relax.  Not everything is in the public eye.

Let's wish this Arkansas product Byers well with his next step.

Best of luck to the young man.  He was good enough to be recruited by the #1 D in the land--- let's hope he gets into a good JUCO program, gets strong in the classroom, then wants to home and help the Hogs. 

[LZH]

Is this the kid at FHS?

[rzrbk4life]

Best of luck Mr Byers. Would love to see you playing for the hogs one day

[Sow Lancelot]

Say it ain't so!

I wanna believe that CBB is just lazy! 

[12247]

I got a better idea.  Why don't we assist him in getting into a Juco program and stay in touch with the school and Byers as much as we can and still be legal and hope he comes to us IF & WHEN he is qualified.  If he is a good DT, it seems to me doing that is an inexpensive way to MAYBE get a good player who would likely play hard for the Hogs if having the opportunity.  This would take a bit of effort on our staff but as difficult as it is to get good players to sign on here, why not put out that effort to get one hiding right under our noses.  No airfare necessary to go see the Kid, no long trip to waste, no problem staying in touch with the High School folks.  This could be a cheap gain.

My memory is we don't use our 25 allowed each year anyway so why not offer, knowing he isn't gonna qualify, then be all over getting him in a school where he can actually learn his position better and then return to us MAYBE and be nearly ready to go.  Let us be the Guys that was there when the BAMA's of the world didn't have time to help him. If the kid has character he would return to us.

[farmhawg]

I got a better idea.  Why don't we assist him in getting into a Juco program and stay in touch with the school and Byers as much as we can and still be legal and hope he comes to us IF & WHEN he is qualified.  If he is a good DT, it seems to me doing that is an inexpensive way to MAYBE get a good player who would likely play hard for the Hogs if having the opportunity.  This would take a bit of effort on our staff but as difficult as it is to get good players to sign on here, why not put out that effort to get one hiding right under our noses.  No airfare necessary to go see the Kid, no long trip to waste, no problem staying in touch with the High School folks.  This could be a cheap gain.

My memory is we don't use our 25 allowed each year anyway so why not offer, knowing he isn't gonna qualify, then be all over getting him in a school where he can actually learn his position better and then return to us MAYBE and be nearly ready to go.  Let us be the Guys that was there when the BAMA's of the world didn't have time to help him. If the kid has character he would return to us.

Too much work.

[Amityvillehogger]

That's probably why it was rumored that Saban was at FHS recently. To tell him face to face. Good luck to the kid.

[Porked Tongue]

That's probably why it was rumored that Saban was at FHS recently. To tell him face to face. Good luck to the kid.

No rumor.  He was there to check on the entire issue on his eligibility and other intangibles.

[Amityvillehogger]

No rumor.  He was there to check on the entire issue on his eligibility and other intangibles.

Gotcha. Guess he seen enough.

[3kgthog]

Is any Arkansas JUCO ever going to start a football program? I think it'd help us tremendously.

[factchecker]

Is any Arkansas JUCO ever going to start a football program? I think it'd help us tremendously.

Doesn't Baptist in Little Rock have a team?

Edit:

They do:

http://www.abcbuffaloes.com/sport/mens/football

[hawg IQ]

somebody clear this up for me....  But why can't he just walk on and work in the weight room here and gain his eligibility during the first year. No juco or nothing.

Maybe his grades are not high enough to even enroll ??  My point is summer school maybe until his grade get higher. I just don't understand why kids have to always go juco??

[factchecker]

somebody clear this up for me....  But why can't he just walk on and work in the weight room here and gain his eligibility during the first year. No juco or nothing.

Maybe his grades are not high enough to even enroll ??  My point is summer school maybe until his grade get higher. I just don't understand why kids have to always go juco??

If your grades aren't good enough for athletic eligibility then they aren't going to be good enough for general admission.

Admissions isn't going to give preferential treatment to a walk on.

[hawg IQ]

If your grades aren't good enough for athletic eligibility then they aren't going to be good enough for general admission.

Admissions isn't going to give preferential treatment to a walk on.

Thanks ! I should have thought that through a little more.  I guess just knowing we have a talent so close, one would think there might be another way, I guess not. Saw where we got Melvin Johnson also, might help , since obviously no Byers.

[FANONTHEHILL]

Hey Porked, I'm not surprised by this, but I'm just curious when/where this news broke.  I've been away all afternoon.

[hawginbigd1]

Hey Porked, I'm not surprised by this, but I'm just curious when/where this news broke.  I've been away all afternoon.

I don't know where it broke but RD says he has known since Wednesday.

[TheEnemy]

If your grades aren't good enough for athletic eligibility then they aren't going to be good enough for general admission.

Admissions isn't going to give preferential treatment to a walk on.

I think he can still be admitted.  The problem is that would make him a partial qualifier....and the SEC does not allow partial qualifiers.  He would have to pay his own way and would not be able to use anything from the athletic department until he had qualified.

I think Jerrel Powe did this years back at Ole Miss.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Hey Porked, I'm not surprised by this, but I'm just curious when/where this news broke.  I've been away all afternoon.

worst kept secret in the state.

[Porked Tongue]

Hey Porked, I'm not surprised by this, but I'm just curious when/where this news broke.  I've been away all afternoon.

There was no "announcement".  Word had just gradually leaked.  I kept thinking that it'd break out of Bama first but it didn't.

To add, I'm not sure he can even get into a JUCO at this point.

[tophawg19]

what is the requirement for Juco. I'm thinking Prep school

[ricepig]

I think he can still be admitted.  The problem is that would make him a partial qualifier....and the SEC does not allow partial qualifiers.  He would have to pay his own way and would not be able to use anything from the athletic department until he had qualified.

I think Jerrel Powe did this years back at Ole Miss.

Someone who can't make a 2.3 GPA and 18 ACT isn't going to be admitted into the University of Alabama, now, maybe into Saban University.

[NotSoFastMyFriend]

Time to move on. There are already 3-4 really good looking DT in the 2018 in-state class including El Dorado's Terry Hampton (6'2", 265), Fordyce's Billy Ferrell (6'3", 315) and Har-Ber's Alejandro Ramirez (6'2", 295).

Hampton routinely beat double-teams and showed his wheels during an 80-yard fumble return TD. Ferrell is really big, versatile athlete who caught several TDs at TE this year and Ramirez played 0 tech NG almost exclusively this year and looked really polished doing it. Behind them, you've got Wynne's Logan Jessup (6'3", 260), who is athletic enough to be a heavy end in the 3-4, and then there's a (monster) project NG in Newport's Darell Hardiman (6'5", 350).

Provided these guys are all eligible they give you 5 to play 4 whereas bringing Byers back, even if the Hogs could, only gives them 3 for 2. It's a no-brainer.

Hampton:
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/6032711/58597cc1b018fd2dc86265f9

Ferrell:
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/6188103/580fecee3bd81433b4229d5b

Ramirez:
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/5289512/5806d1dc5caa580d00a6dafb

Jessup:
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/2965755/5824a2b590f9931bbcb5b53b

Hardiman:
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/5445173/57c6d43b0aff7b339878f848


EDIT:

I almost forgot Cabot's Dayonte Roberts (6'2", 280) who is really physical at the point-of-attack.

http://www.hudl.com/video/3/4202384/584a20c0c124dd2c80972e91

[Oklahawg]

Those are solid highlights. I noticed that several of those Ramirez highlights come at Jenks. That added to my impression!

[NotSoFastMyFriend]

Those are solid highlights. I noticed that several of those Ramirez highlights come at Jenks. That added to my impression!

Agree. Ramirez is a perfect fit for the 3-4. He could play every down with 20 more pounds but he could come in right away on 3rd and 6+.

[Cinco de Hogo]

If he can't get into JUCO how can he even graduate high school?

[onebadrubi]

If he can't get into JUCO how can he even graduate high school?

Lol public high schools let you graduate with just about anything these days

[jdelo77]

His ACT score is close ...but it looks like juco in his future ...

[riccoar]

What are ACT requirements along with GPA for admission?

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

I got a better idea.  Why don't we assist him in getting into a Juco program and stay in touch with the school and Byers as much as we can and still be legal and hope he comes to us IF & WHEN he is qualified.  If he is a good DT, it seems to me doing that is an inexpensive way to MAYBE get a good player who would likely play hard for the Hogs if having the opportunity.  This would take a bit of effort on our staff but as difficult as it is to get good players to sign on here, why not put out that effort to get one hiding right under our noses.  No airfare necessary to go see the Kid, no long trip to waste, no problem staying in touch with the High School folks.  This could be a cheap gain.

My memory is we don't use our 25 allowed each year anyway so why not offer, knowing he isn't gonna qualify, then be all over getting him in a school where he can actually learn his position better and then return to us MAYBE and be nearly ready to go.  Let us be the Guys that was there when the BAMA's of the world didn't have time to help him. If the kid has character he would return to us.

Too many if's and maybe's to make it worth the time and effort. Imagine we do all that an he JUCO transfers to another school. Everyone would be calling bielema an idiot. Its a lose-lose situation for him

[DeltaBoy]

Best of luck to him.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Too many if's and maybe's to make it worth the time and effort. Imagine we do all that an he JUCO transfers to another school. Everyone would be calling bielema an idiot. Its a lose-lose situation for him

Yep. Just think back to 4 Star DT Calvin Barnett from the 2010 recruiting class. Went to JC, came out of there and headed to Oklahoma State. There was also a 3 star LB Courtney Gaston who also had to go the JC route. Where he ended up I don't know.

[Inhogswetrust]

There was no "announcement".  Word had just gradually leaked.  I kept thinking that it'd break out of Bama first but it didn't.

To add, I'm not sure he can even get into a JUCO at this point.

I have a problem with any student participating in an extra curriculum activity of any type if they don't even have the grades or eligibility to get into a junior college.

[Biggus Piggus]

Too many if's and maybe's to make it worth the time and effort. Imagine we do all that an he JUCO transfers to another school. Everyone would be calling bielema an idiot. Its a lose-lose situation for him

We have too many fans on here who remember the way things used to be, in the oversigning days. SEC changed the rules, and now sign-and-place is not the way things are done.

[Piggfoot]

I have a problem with any student participating in an extra curriculum activity of any type if they don't even have the grades or eligibility to get into a junior college.

You and I are evidently old school. I don't remember the  required average average in my day but I believe it was a 2.00. Our tops was a 4.00. Today I understand it is a 6.00 because of so called AP courses which are a joke.
Our educational system is failing our students allowing them play and not pass their core subjects. It's been going on a long time. The "great" Shabazz was a prime example.

[hogsanity]

Today I understand it is a 6.00 because of so called AP courses which are a joke.

Why are AP classes a joke? They have nothing to do with player eligibility. AP classes are good for those who want to take harder classes, and they often qualify as college credit.

[OutlawHawg]

Sucks it didn't work out for Byers. Hope we can fill our last couple spots with in-state kids. Seems like every year some of our best players are in-state guys who didn't have rock star offers but come in and bust their ass.

[hogsanity]

Sucks it didn't work out for Byers. Hope we can fill our last couple spots with in-state kids. Seems like every year some of our best players are in-state guys who didn't have rock star offers but come in and bust their ass.

Oh GEEZ, you cant be serious.

[theshiva]

Looks like the coaches are 1 for 2 on being conservative in recruiting the past two years. I understand why they are, but I still think we should be alittle more aggressive. We're at an obvious talent disadvantage compared to most of the SEC, that to move up, I think we need to take more risks.

[OutlawHawg]

Oh GEEZ, you cant be serious.

Just gotta get those diamonds in the rough that bleed red.

[RedyorNot]

What are ACT requirements along with GPA for admission?

The requirements changed in 2016. Graduate with 16 core courses, 10 of them by start of senior year, 2.3 GPA in those core courses. ACT/SAT on a sliding sum points scale that matches the core GPA. Here's the NCAA elibility link.

http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/play-division-i-sports

[PigWig]

You and I are evidently old school. I don't remember the  required average average in my day but I believe it was a 2.00. Our tops was a 4.00. Today I understand it is a 6.00 because of so called AP courses which are a joke.

First, AP classes are based on a 5.0 point scale because they are college level classes.  They are only offered in certain subjects, so the idea that anyone is graduating HS with a 6.0 GPA is total nonsense.  You might see some high school valedictorians with a 4.25 GPA or so, but its not going to get much higher than that because the majority of your classes don't have AP variants. 

Second, AP classes are an excellent way for kids to get a head start on college.  I graduated HS over 10 years ago (I'm sure the AP curriculum has expanded in the last decade plus), but even at that point I had 27 hours of college credit before I ever stepped foot on campus at the UofA thanks to taking AP classes, college classes offered in HS, etc.

[Piggfoot]

First, AP classes are based on a 5.0 point scale because they are college level classes.  They are only offered in certain subjects, so the idea that anyone is graduating HS with a 6.0 GPA is total nonsense.  You might see some high school valedictorians with a 4.25 GPA or so, but its not going to get much higher than that because the majority of your classes don't have AP variants. 

Second, AP classes are an excellent way for kids to get a head start on college.  I graduated HS over 10 years ago (I'm sure the AP curriculum has expanded in the last decade plus), but even at that point I had 27 hours of college credit before I ever stepped foot on campus at the UofA thanks to taking AP classes, college classes offered in HS, etc.

At one point they were 6.0 . They are still a joke.
http://unioncountyweekly.com/education/2015/08/grading-scale-change-wont-mean-drama-for-high-schoolers-ucps-says/ just an example.

[hogsanity]

At one point they were 6.0 . They are still a joke.

ok you've said that twice, but yet have not answered why they are a joke, please elaborate for us.

[Piggfoot]

ok you've said that twice, but yet have not answered why they are a joke, please elaborate for us.

It is an inflated scale  in todays everyone gets a trophy world. It wasn't around in 1964, a date often thrown around here.

[ricepig]

It is an inflated scale  in todays everyone gets a trophy world. It wasn't around in 1964, a date often thrown around here.

Correct, you couldn't do college work in high school in 1964.

[PigWig]

At one point they were 6.0 . They are still a joke.

AP classes have never been based on a 6.0 scale, and they are not a joke.  They are a way for kids to save a lot of time and money by completing many basic college classes while in high school.  AP classes are as difficult or more difficult than most freshman level college courses, and they also required you to pass a standardized cumulative test upon completion to actually receive your college credit. 

I just hope you are not trying to steer your children or grandchildren away from taking these courses based on your misunderstanding of the system.  They can save kids a significant amount of time and money.

[Biggus Piggus]

You and I are evidently old school. I don't remember the  required average average in my day but I believe it was a 2.00. Our tops was a 4.00. Today I understand it is a 6.00 because of so called AP courses which are a joke.
Our educational system is failing our students allowing them play and not pass their core subjects. It's been going on a long time. The "great" Shabazz was a prime example.

Byers wasn't taking any AP courses, ROFL. Goodness gracious.

[hogsanity]

It is an inflated scale  in todays everyone gets a trophy world. It wasn't around in 1964, a date often thrown around here.

This makes no sense to the conversation about player eligibility. The eligibility standards in HS and the enrollment qualifications in college have nothing to do with AP classes, and everything thing to do with just making minimum requirements.

The only way a student can score above a 4.0 is to take college level classes in HS. If you think the classes themselves are a joke, you should go sit is a AP algebra class then go sit in the regular hs algebra class. You will see the difference in about a minute.