ESPN writer's top 10 hardest places to coach

[selfexplanatory]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=feldman_bruce&id=3012827

Arkansas # 5

[biggiepiggie]

Arkansas shouldn't even be in the top 10.  We kept a coach after two
consecutive losing seasons.  Who else does that?

[The Boar War]

Not a bad list to be in considering the company.  Too bad we don't have the success of the other programs.

[razorbackred]

Good point biggiepiggie!

Where else can you lose and still get a pay raise?

[Feralhog]

Totally unfair.  "Lloyd Carr wouldn't survive there!"  Nutt survived back to back losing seasons.  I bet a dollar to a donut that Carr could finish the season with 8 wins and still might lose his job at Meeeeshigan.  Guy who wrote this article is an absolute fool. 

[LSPRazorbac]

Good point biggiepiggie!

Where else can you lose and still get a pay raise?

Apparently Notre Dame now

[ArkansasI]

No one outside the Razorback circle of players, fans and administrators understands what is happening on the Hill.  Most assume that our fans are crazy.

[dfresh]

I live right in the middle of it and I think the fans are crazy.

[John Futrall]

Arkansas shouldn't even be in the top 10.  We kept a coach after two
consecutive losing seasons.  Who else does that?

Mississippi St.

[nychog]

The guy was pretty spot-on.....Although, at this point, Arkansas could be ranked even higher.....just wait to see how difficult it will be to get a "big-name" coach when HDN is gone.....

[HoopHog]

Lloyd Carr would be enshriined as a saint at Arkansas.  Does this guy know a damn thing?  Obviously the 5 win 2004 season followed by the 4 win 2005 season indicates -- "NO, he does not!"

[Veritas Arkansas]

No one outside the Razorback circle of players, fans and administrators understands what is happening on the Hill.  Most assume that our fans are crazy.

Because we are.

[LSPRazorbac]

Arkansas shouldn't even be in the top 10.  We kept a coach after two
consecutive losing seasons.  Who else does that?

Mississippi St.

Hey Croom, has done a great job teaching character to his players; too bad he didn't teach football to them 

[hogsanity]

Was this list based on fan expectations?  Past administrative decisions?  I agree with most of the schools listed. 

[GiantFoamFingerMak]

finally some respect

[MuskogeeHogFan]

The guy was pretty spot-on.....Although, at this point, Arkansas could be ranked even higher.....just wait to see how difficult it will be to get a "big-name" coach when HDN is gone.....

Not hard at all.

[Boardon Hamsay]

Was this list based on fan expectations?  Past administrative decisions?  I agree with most of the schools listed. 

I think it's 1/3 fan expectations, 1/3 past admin decisions, and 1/3 "what's gone down lately".  I agree with most of the list, but think Arkansas is a bit high, based on the FOIA stuff.

[whostolemyhogs]

No one outside the Razorback circle of players, fans and administrators understands what is happening on the Hill.  Most assume that our fans are crazy.

Because we are.

Speak for yourself. I want Houston Nutt gone and I'm a very well adjusted individual. Sane enough to spot a polecat when I see one.

[PCHogs]

How can Arkansas be the 5th hardest place to coach in the country when we have retained and even given raises and extensions to a coach who has yet to win the SEC, has yet to go to muchless win a BCS bowl game, and who has a losing post season record? 

This is just absurd.

[hogsanity]

How can Arkansas be the 5th hardest place to coach in the country when we have retained and even given raises and extensions to a coach who has yet to win the SEC, has yet to go to muchless win a BCS bowl game, and who has a losing post season record? 

This is just absurd.

This is the rep you get when you have fans foi'ing phone records, and suing the school pres and chancellor after a 10-4 season.

[Fatty McGee]

How can Arkansas be the 5th hardest place to coach in the country when we have retained and even given raises and extensions to a coach who has yet to win the SEC, has yet to go to muchless win a BCS bowl game, and who has a losing post season record? 

This is just absurd.

The writer was considering normal coaches, not those that really "love the helmet."  They're in a special untouchable category.  See also Stan Heath.

[hoginator]

#5? Lloyd Carr fired?
He must have been drawing names out of Saban's new Bama Hat...

[PCHogs]

How can Arkansas be the 5th hardest place to coach in the country when we have retained and even given raises and extensions to a coach who has yet to win the SEC, has yet to go to muchless win a BCS bowl game, and who has a losing post season record? 

This is just absurd.

This is the rep you get when you have fans foi'ing phone records, and suing the school pres and chancellor after a 10-4 season.

No, this is the rep you get from the drive-by media types who are agenda driven and/or don't do their homework.

[Since 1894]

Glad to see that half the field is from the SEC

[Killean]

How can Arkansas be the 5th hardest place to coach in the country when we have retained and even given raises and extensions to a coach who has yet to win the SEC, has yet to go to muchless win a BCS bowl game, and who has a losing post season record? 

This is just absurd.

This is the rep you get when you have fans foi'ing phone records, and suing the school pres and chancellor after a 10-4 season.

No, this is the rep you get from the drive-by media types who are agenda driven and/or don't do their homework.

Exactly, I mean YOUR relationship with the married person is different, people on the outside just don't understand.


See what I'm getting at there?

[hogsanity]

Would you guys rather this be any easy place to coach?

[Dr. Kenneth Noisewater]

Totally unfair.  "Lloyd Carr wouldn't survive there!"  Nutt survived back to back losing seasons.  I bet a dollar to a donut that Carr could finish the season with 8 wins and still might lose his job at Meeeeshigan.  Guy who wrote this article is an absolute fool. 

I think he might have been referring to The Citadel loss when speaking of Carr being fired.

or maybe not

[Reaganite]

That's a pretty good list of places there. 

[Killean]

It was actually mentioned in a few articles that Frank Broyles would have fired him that afternoon

[HedgeDweller]

Lloyd Carr would be enshriined as a saint at Arkansas.  Does this guy know a damn thing?  Obviously the 5 win 2004 season followed by the 4 win 2005 season indicates -- "NO, he does not!"

The only ones that know ANY thing are the darkest of the darksiders, of course. 

[PCHogs]

Would you guys rather this be any easy place to coach?

Arkansas is an easy place to coach in comparison to the rest of the places on that list.....Arkansas should not even be on that list.  How is Arkansas an easier to place to coach than Michigan, Ohio State, Florida, Nebraska or Georgia?  Come on.  Do you think any of those schools have ever or would ever put up with Nutt's record?  Absolutely not.

[Killean]

Would you guys rather this be any easy place to coach?

Arkansas is an easy place to coach in comparison to the rest of the places on that list.....Arkansas should not even be on that list.  How is Arkansas an easier to place to coach than Michigan, Ohio State, Florida, Nebraska or Georgia?  Come on.  Do you think any of those schools have ever or would ever put up with Nutt's record?  Absolutely not.

How many of those schools have had fans FOI a coaches cellphone records and then infer he was cheating on his wife plus file a lawsuit against the University over not punishing the coach because he did something they didn't like to their Messiah.

[HedgeDweller]

Would you guys rather this be any easy place to coach?

Arkansas is an easy place to coach in comparison to the rest of the places on that list.....Arkansas should not even be on that list.  How is Arkansas an easier to place to coach than Michigan, Ohio State, Florida, Nebraska or Georgia?  Come on.  Do you think any of those schools have ever or would ever put up with Nutt's record?  Absolutely not.

How many of those schools have had fans FOI a coaches cellphone records and then infer he was cheating on his wife plus file a lawsuit against the University over not punishing the coach because he did something they didn't like to their Messiah.

Or have a lawyer who had such a hard on to get ahold of and make sure copies of supposedly private email conversations got out on the web, that he was willing to knowingly and with malice disobey a judges order to cease discovery.

[Biggus Piggus]

Arkansas shouldn't even be in the top 10.  We kept a coach after two
consecutive losing seasons.  Who else does that?

QFT

[Doyle Hograves]

Glad to see that half the field is from the SEC

Just goes to show how tough our league really is.

[HoopHog]

This writier just proves you can research nothing and write everything.  What an idiot.  I told some Michigan fans and they laughed their arses off about this.  They agree with me...Lloyd Carr would be enshrined as a saint if he coached at Arkansas.  Well, anyone with half a brain would be...following the Dork!

[hogsanity]

If it was an EASY place to caoch, wouldn't that mean that the fans and or adm DO NOT CARE?

[cosmodrum]

finally some respect

LMAO!!!!

[HedgeDweller]

This writier just proves you can research nothing and write everything.  What an idiot.  I told some Michigan fans and they laughed their arses off about this.  They agree with me...Lloyd Carr would be enshrined as a saint if he coached at Arkansas.  Well, anyone with half a brain would be...following the Dork!

All remarks that I know you will make about HDN aside, Carr would not cut it here or anywhere else in the SEC.
JMHO.

[PCHogs]

If it was an EASY place to caoch, wouldn't that mean that the fans and or adm DO NOT CARE?

I don't think anyone said it's an "easy" place to coach, but it is easier in comparison to the other schools on that list.

[heathman]

This writier just proves you can research nothing and write everything.  What an idiot.  I told some Michigan fans and they laughed their arses off about this.  They agree with me...Lloyd Carr would be enshrined as a saint if he coached at Arkansas.  Well, anyone with half a brain would be...following the Dork!

Lloyd Carr would not be enshrined as a saint here.  He cannot recruit well enough (if he was at Arkansas) to bring the success he has had at Michigan.  I want to go another direction with the coaching staff but Carr is way overrated.  Look at the last couple of recruiting classes he has had, a large portion of the states top players went elsewhere.

[Hugulus Hog]

No one outside the Razorback circle of players, fans and administrators understands what is happening on the Hill.  Most assume that our fans are crazy.

Because we are.

finally some respect

+1s to both of you gentlemen.

How can Arkansas be the 5th hardest place to coach in the country when we have retained and even given raises and extensions to a coach who has yet to win the SEC, has yet to go to muchless win a BCS bowl game, and who has a losing post season record? 

This is just absurd.

This is the rep you get when you have fans foi'ing phone records, and suing the school pres and chancellor after a 10-4 season.

Totally true, the sort of behavior we've seen this off-season has consequences.  If this goes on much longer, we're going to have hdn promoted to the level of a college football folk hero for having to contend with it.

[PaleHorse]

3 of top 5 are in SEC West

[Mo_Better_Hogs]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=feldman_bruce&id=3012827

Arkansas # 5

Well, it wouldn't be if you don't suck.

[notreseveredname]

It's a prime example of national media getting all there info 2nd hand and then regurgitate whatever parts of the story support their spin.

[stevenwayneslane]

I will agree with that if you are LAMonroe or LaTech or something along those lines.

[HoopHog]

This writer just proves you can research nothing and write everything.  What an idiot.  I told some Michigan fans and they laughed their arses off about this.  They agree with me...Lloyd Carr would be enshrined as a saint if he coached at Arkansas.  Well, anyone with half a brain would be...following the Dork!

Lloyd Carr would not be enshrined as a saint here.  He cannot recruit well enough (if he was at Arkansas) to bring the success he has had at Michigan.  I want to go another direction with the coaching staff but Carr is way overrated.  Look at the last couple of recruiting classes he has had, a large portion of the states top players went elsewhere.

Hmmmmmmm interesting take.  The last few years, eh?  Let's see, Michigan has the 10th rated recruiting class so far for this season, the #12 class for 2007 (including Arkansas Razorback wannabee, Ryan Mallett), 13th rated class in 2006, #6 recruiting class in 2005, #5 class in 2004, #17 in 2003 and #16 in 2002.

What were you saying about Michigan's (and Lloyd Carr's) recruiting?  Compared to Houston Nutt's recruiting, Lloyd Carr has done very well.  Well, considering that the Hog's recruiting classes can't ever seem to break the top 20 (2008 - tied at #12, 2007 - not in the top 25, 2006 - not in the top 25, 2005 - #24, 2004 - #22, 2003 - not in the top 25, 2002 - not in the top 25).

I don't want Lloyd Carr as Arkansas' head coach...that isn't what I said or suggested, but he has recruited rings around the Nuttster.  Like I said, given this state unusual love affair with a mediocre coach, Lloyd Carr would be enshrined right now!

[jdlew]

Totally unfair.  "Lloyd Carr wouldn't survive there!"  Nutt survived back to back losing seasons.  I bet a dollar to a donut that Carr could finish the season with 8 wins and still might lose his job at Meeeeshigan.  Guy who wrote this article is an absolute fool. 

selective memory again......he was going to Neb. and we talked him out of it and gave him that two year pass....he had to have a good season last year and he did...if he has a bad year this year fire him.

[HedgeDweller]

This writer just proves you can research nothing and write everything.  What an idiot.  I told some Michigan fans and they laughed their arses off about this.  They agree with me...Lloyd Carr would be enshrined as a saint if he coached at Arkansas.  Well, anyone with half a brain would be...following the Dork!

Lloyd Carr would not be enshrined as a saint here.  He cannot recruit well enough (if he was at Arkansas) to bring the success he has had at Michigan.  I want to go another direction with the coaching staff but Carr is way overrated.  Look at the last couple of recruiting classes he has had, a large portion of the states top players went elsewhere.

Hmmmmmmm interesting take.  The last few years, eh?  Let's see, Michigan has the 10th rated recruiting class so far for this season, the #12 class for 2007 (including Arkansas Razorback wannabee, Ryan Mallett), 13th rated class in 2006, #6 recruiting class in 2005, #5 class in 2004, #17 in 2003 and #16 in 2002.

What were you saying about Michigan's (and Lloyd Carr's) recruiting?  Compared to Houston Nutt's recruiting, Lloyd Carr has done very well.  Well, considering that the Hog's recruiting classes can't ever seem to break the top 20 (2008 - tied at #12, 2007 - not in the top 25, 2006 - not in the top 25, 2005 - #24, 2004 - #22, 2003 - not in the top 25, 2002 - not in the top 25).

I don't want Lloyd Carr as Arkansas' head coach...that isn't what I said or suggested, but he has recruited rings around the Nuttster.  Like I said, given this state unusual love affair with a mediocre coach, Lloyd Carr would be enshrined right now!

I agree with you about not wanting Carr as coach here - I don't believe he could coach in the SEC.

But, what were App State's and Oregon's last few recruiting classes rated as compared to Michigan's?

[heathman]

This writer just proves you can research nothing and write everything.  What an idiot.  I told some Michigan fans and they laughed their arses off about this.  They agree with me...Lloyd Carr would be enshrined as a saint if he coached at Arkansas.  Well, anyone with half a brain would be...following the Dork!

Lloyd Carr would not be enshrined as a saint here.  He cannot recruit well enough (if he was at Arkansas) to bring the success he has had at Michigan.  I want to go another direction with the coaching staff but Carr is way overrated.  Look at the last couple of recruiting classes he has had, a large portion of the states top players went elsewhere.

Hmmmmmmm interesting take.  The last few years, eh?  Let's see, Michigan has the 10th rated recruiting class so far for this season, the #12 class for 2007 (including Arkansas Razorback wannabee, Ryan Mallett), 13th rated class in 2006, #6 recruiting class in 2005, #5 class in 2004, #17 in 2003 and #16 in 2002.

What were you saying about Michigan's (and Lloyd Carr's) recruiting?  Compared to Houston Nutt's recruiting, Lloyd Carr has done very well.  Well, considering that the Hog's recruiting classes can't ever seem to break the top 20 (2008 - tied at #12, 2007 - not in the top 25, 2006 - not in the top 25, 2005 - #24, 2004 - #22, 2003 - not in the top 25, 2002 - not in the top 25).

I don't want Lloyd Carr as Arkansas' head coach...that isn't what I said or suggested, but he has recruited rings around the Nuttster.  Like I said, given this state unusual love affair with a mediocre coach, Lloyd Carr would be enshrined right now!

If your going to quote me at least quote me correctly.  I said if he was recruiting to Arkansas.  Do you research and look at the in state recurits and where the top went.  He could not recruit to Arkansas.  He is coaching Michigan, which there is a little bit of difference.  Are you saying that the Arkansas program is on there level, have we ever been?