8 Reasons Why Losing To Troy Will Benefit The Hogs - Updated Daily

[EastexHawg]

It is unfathomable that anyone who is a fan of the Razorbacks would ever, ever want them to lose a single game regardless of his/her feelings toward any coach or any player.

It is unfathomable that anyone who claims to be an American would ever do anything to cause an American soldier to die.  How is that for another blanket statement?

The only problem is...I guess my statement means Dwight D. Eisenhower wasn't a real American.  After all, he ordered the assault and amphibious landing at Normandy, into the teeth of withering Nazi artillery and machine gun fire from fortified positions, and he HAD TO KNOW that thousands of American GIs would lose their lives in the process.

Then again, I guess we could consider the concept of short term losses for the overall greater good of the nation (program)...

[H()G]

It is unfathomable that anyone who claims to be an American would ever do anything to cause an American soldier to die.  How is that for another blanket statement?

I don't think the wording of your metaphor is what you meant. Read what you have written carefully. By saying this you are comparing people who want Arkansas to lose to people who want the Terrorists to kill American soldiers.  I agree with, you why would anyone want either to happen, regardless of who the HC or President is?  I don't think this is the way you meant it.. But this is what you said.

On the other hand according to your post, you might have meant that you expect a fan to actually do something to cause the team to lose.  Put muscle relaxers in thier gatorade?  Losen the spikes on thier cleats? Scramble the frequency for thier headsets?  What are you expecting?

[Michaelt]

NS? when does the #6 thought come out??

[H()G]

I actually know of several darksiders who are thinking of becoming huggers just b/c they do not want to be associated with those who want the hogs to lose..   So to those of you who want the hogs to lose..  becareful, you might find your minority even smaller of a group before long.

[DaForsaken]

The 5% are quite vocal today!   :razorback:

And the email was "quite funny" to you also.

[Michael_Porkleone]

It's threads like this one that give Hogville such a poor reputation on the street.  It's a shame really because I know that there are good people who post on here... even the majority of the so called darksiders are great people.  It's just that when a prospective member goes to MMQ and sees the ridiculous amount of garbage being posted repeatedly many chose to just move along.  I know Hogville has a large member base...but I think that if it weren't for the tone of this place and the perception that has come from that tone.. that the membership could be much much larger.  It's too bad that the majority out there look at this place as a laughing stock.

[DaForsaken]

It's threads like this one that give Hogville such a poor reputation on the street.  It's a shame really because I know that there are good people who post on here... even the majority of the so called darksiders are great people.  It's just that when a prospective member goes to MMQ and sees the ridiculous amount of garbage being posted repeatedly many chose to just move along.  I know Hogville has a large member base...but I think that if it weren't for the tone of this place and the perception that has come from that tone.. that the membership could be much much larger.  It's too bad that the majority out there look at this place as a laughing stock.

I don't think it is a majority that look at this as a laughing stock.  I also think those that do are stupid.

[grayhawg]

It's threads like this one that give Hogville such a poor reputation on the street.  It's a shame really because I know that there are good people who post on here... even the majority of the so called darksiders are great people.  It's just that when a prospective member goes to MMQ and sees the ridiculous amount of garbage being posted repeatedly many chose to just move along.  I know Hogville has a large member base...but I think that if it weren't for the tone of this place and the perception that has come from that tone.. that the membership could be much much larger.  It's too bad that the majority out there look at this place as a laughing stock.

I don't think it is a majority that look at this as a laughing stock.  I also think those that do are s

It's threads like this one that give Hogville such a poor reputation on the street.  It's a shame really because I know that there are good people who post on here... even the majority of the so called darksiders are great people.  It's just that when a prospective member goes to MMQ and sees the ridiculous amount of garbage being posted repeatedly many chose to just move along.  I know Hogville has a large member base...but I think that if it weren't for the tone of this place and the perception that has come from that tone.. that the membership could be much much larger.  It's too bad that the majority out there look at this place as a laughing stock.

I don't think it is a majority that look at this as a laughing stock.  I also think those that do are stupid.

OK Forest G.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Thank you 

[EastexHawg]

It is unfathomable that anyone who claims to be an American would ever do anything to cause an American soldier to die.  How is that for another blanket statement?

I don't think the wording of your metaphor is what you meant. Read what you have written carefully. By saying this you are comparing people who want Arkansas to lose to people who want the Terrorists to kill American soldiers.  I agree with, you why would anyone want either to happen, regardless of who the HC or President is?  I don't think this is the way you meant it.. But this is what you said.

On the other hand according to your post, you might have meant that you expect a fan to actually do something to cause the team to lose.  Put muscle relaxers in thier gatorade?  Losen the spikes on thier cleats? Scramble the frequency for thier headsets?  What are you expecting?

It is unfathomable that anyone who claims to be an American would ever do anything to cause an American soldier to die.  How is that for another blanket statement?

I don't think the wording of your metaphor is what you meant. Read what you have written carefully. By saying this you are comparing people who want Arkansas to lose to people who want the Terrorists to kill American soldiers.  I agree with, you why would anyone want either to happen, regardless of who the HC or President is?  I don't think this is the way you meant it.. But this is what you said.

On the other hand according to your post, you might have meant that you expect a fan to actually do something to cause the team to lose.  Put muscle relaxers in thier gatorade?  Losen the spikes on thier cleats? Scramble the frequency for thier headsets?  What are you expecting?

No, I meant exactly what I said.

The poster I quoted made a blanket statement that no real Hog fan would ever want the team to lose a single game, no matter the reason or the potential consequences of the loss.

I made a blanket statement in return.

My point is not that Hog fans are in the same position as the Supreme Allied Commander.  My points are that:

A.  Blanket statements rarely apply in all situations; and

B.  It is possible that a reasonable person, with good intentions, may envision a scenario in which a loss in the short term (such as to Troy) may seem unbearable at the time, but five or ten years down the road it may seem more palatable if it results in significant longterm success (such as getting rid of a nincompoop head coach).

Besides, folks...we're talking about the possibility of losing a football game.  It's not like people are on here rooting for Al Qaeda, or denouncing their Christianity.

[H()G]

It is unfathomable that anyone who claims to be an American would ever do anything to cause an American soldier to die.  How is that for another blanket statement?

I don't think the wording of your metaphor is what you meant. Read what you have written carefully. By saying this you are comparing people who want Arkansas to lose to people who want the Terrorists to kill American soldiers.  I agree with, you why would anyone want either to happen, regardless of who the HC or President is?  I don't think this is the way you meant it.. But this is what you said.

On the other hand according to your post, you might have meant that you expect a fan to actually do something to cause the team to lose.  Put muscle relaxers in thier gatorade?  Losen the spikes on thier cleats? Scramble the frequency for thier headsets?  What are you expecting?

It is unfathomable that anyone who claims to be an American would ever do anything to cause an American soldier to die.  How is that for another blanket statement?

I don't think the wording of your metaphor is what you meant. Read what you have written carefully. By saying this you are comparing people who want Arkansas to lose to people who want the Terrorists to kill American soldiers.  I agree with, you why would anyone want either to happen, regardless of who the HC or President is?  I don't think this is the way you meant it.. But this is what you said.

On the other hand according to your post, you might have meant that you expect a fan to actually do something to cause the team to lose.  Put muscle relaxers in thier gatorade?  Losen the spikes on thier cleats? Scramble the frequency for thier headsets?  What are you expecting?

No, I meant exactly what I said.

The poster I quoted made a blanket statement that no real Hog fan would ever want the team to lose a single game, no matter the reason or the potential consequences of the loss.

I made a blanket statement in return.

My point is not that Hog fans are in the same position as the Supreme Allied Commander.  My points are that:

A.  Blanket statements rarely apply in all situations; and

B.  It is possible that a reasonable person, with good intentions, may envision a scenario in which a loss in the short term (such as to Troy) may seem unbearable at the time, but five or ten years down the road it may seem insignificant if it results in significant long-term success (such as getting rid of a nincompoop head coach).

Besides, folks...we're talking about the possibility of losing a football game.  It's not like people are on here rooting for Al Qaeda, or denouncing their Christianity.

I know what you were saying, but you are using a bad metaphor. Wanting Arkansas to lose a game would be like wanting the US to lose a war..  Where Arkansas losing a game would put a 1 in the loss column and a few other bad effects.. for the US to lose a war would mean the loss of many lives and possibly the end of a life of freedom as we know it.  All I was saying is that it was not a good comparison.

A better comparison would be for me to hope our company goes in the red one month so my boss loses his job, just because I don't like him.

[EastexHawg]

I do not accept the premise that Arkansas losing one game would be comparable to the U.S. losing a war.  An individual battle in a war, perhaps, but not the entire war. 

Did the U.S. lose to the Germans at Kasserine Pass?  Yes.

But did we lose World War II?  I'm not goose stepping these days, so I would say the answer is "no".

Maybe you need to get your own metaphors straight before you start playing English professor on the board.

[H()G]

I do not accept the premise that Arkansas losing one game would be comparable to the U.S. losing a war.  An individual battle in a war, perhaps, but not the entire war. 

Did the U.S. lose to the Germans at Kasserine Pass?  Yes.

But did we lose World War II?  I'm not goose stepping these days, so I would say the answer is "no".

Maybe you need to get your own metaphors straight before you start playing English professor on the board.

ok even if your just talking about a individual batte.. thats still a horrible metaphor..  a battle loss results in the loss of many lives.. and you are comparing it to a game??? 

I am not playing english professor, I have several family members and friends over there right now..  I just think that using them as a metaphor for a football game is very disrespectful.

[snortyann]

NSTNG-

Love your style and this thread topic.

You keep it live, real and relevant.

From one not so gifted with debate- I am with ya on the bigger picture and building an NC team/program of the future.

 

[EastexHawg]

I do not accept the premise that Arkansas losing one game would be comparable to the U.S. losing a war.  An individual battle in a war, perhaps, but not the entire war. 

Did the U.S. lose to the Germans at Kasserine Pass?  Yes.

But did we lose World War II?  I'm not goose stepping these days, so I would say the answer is "no".

Maybe you need to get your own metaphors straight before you start playing English professor on the board.

ok even if your just talking about a individual batte.. thats still a horrible metaphor..  a battle loss results in the loss of many lives.. and you are comparing it to a game??? 

I am not playing english professor, I have several family members and friends over there right now..  I just think that using them as a metaphor for a football game is very disrespectful.

Do you understand the concept of a metaphor?  Do you understand that the two situations do not have to be exactly the same...exactly as serious...exactly as dire...or otherwise exactly equal to one another in every way?

Jesus used the example of a thief in the night when describing how unexpected His second coming will be.  Do you think Jesus was saying that He is a thief, or that His return would be a criminal offense...like breaking into someone's house at night is?

I repeat...I said what I meant. 

If you choose to use a different metaphor, then by all means have at it...but if it's okay with you I will speak for myself.

[PolishPigPower]

Day 2, Reason #2:  The Healing Can Begin.

There is nothing that will bring our fan base together more than Nutt's immediate firing.  It would also immediately rally the team behind the interim and I believe we could possibly win out at that point.  The fans, players and coaches would be sent a clear message that the PTB does care and will not tolerate losing and mediocrity.  The drama would instantly be gone and the healing would begin.  Our only chance for this to happen is a loss to Troy at home.  Losing to Kentucky, or any other losses later in the season won't do it, IMO.

We could still do very well in the SEC and by then the Heisman voters will have forgotten about Troy(much like they did the 50 points USC put up on us at home).  We would be talking about wins rather than listening to Nutt give excuses for being "almost there".

Sometimes a tragedy is what it takes to wake people up to reality.  Losing to Troy would not only be a wake up call but I also believe it is the best chance for Nutt to be fired, both of which would allow the healing to begin.  Some of you talk about the Seniors and Dmac and Jones.  That's the very reason it has to happen immediately.  I'm not willing to wait a whole season for that to happen and they don't deserve to have their season wasted either.

I disagree with your point.  Liken this back to Clinton leaving office and the GOP regaining power.  The Dems were more interested in getting back at the Republicans than moving on under the new Bush Administration, and that is even after the WTC attacks.  You would think that a tragedy of that magnitude would bring us all together, but it didn't.

If planes flying into the towers couldn't reunite the powers for even a year's time, there is no reason to believe that the "huggers" and "darksiders" will ever get together, either.  If HDN leaves for any reason other than of his own accord, you can bet that there will be plenty from the hugger side that will have their own agenda to "get back" at those who attacked HDN.

This fanbase is too far apart to be reunited under this or the next coach.  We are Humpty Dumpty.

[H()G]

I do not accept the premise that Arkansas losing one game would be comparable to the U.S. losing a war.  An individual battle in a war, perhaps, but not the entire war. 

Did the U.S. lose to the Germans at Kasserine Pass?  Yes.

But did we lose World War II?  I'm not goose stepping these days, so I would say the answer is "no".

Maybe you need to get your own metaphors straight before you start playing English professor on the board.

ok even if your just talking about a individual batte.. thats still a horrible metaphor..  a battle loss results in the loss of many lives.. and you are comparing it to a game??? 

I am not playing english professor, I have several family members and friends over there right now..  I just think that using them as a metaphor for a football game is very disrespectful.

Do you understand the concept of a metaphor?  Do you understand that the two situations do not have to be exactly the same...exactly as serious...exactly as dire...or otherwise exactly equal to one another in every way?

Jesus used the example of a thief in the night when describing how unexpected His second coming will be.  Do you think Jesus was saying that He is a thief, or that His return would be a criminal offense...like breaking into someone's house at night is?

I repeat...I said what I meant. 

If you choose to use a different metaphor, then by all means have at it...but if it's okay with you I will speak for myself.

Actually I do understand it very well, do you understand that I have the right to an opinion same as you.. And if I think the metaphor you used was poorly chosen then I have a right to voice that opinion.  I didn't tell you, you shouldn't have done it. I said I disagree, so if you don't mind let me state my opinion, just let it go... it will be ok, you will survive I promise.

[H()G]

Day 2, Reason #2:  The Healing Can Begin.

There is nothing that will bring our fan base together more than Nutt's immediate firing.  It would also immediately rally the team behind the interim and I believe we could possibly win out at that point.  The fans, players and coaches would be sent a clear message that the PTB does care and will not tolerate losing and mediocrity.  The drama would instantly be gone and the healing would begin.  Our only chance for this to happen is a loss to Troy at home.  Losing to Kentucky, or any other losses later in the season won't do it, IMO.

We could still do very well in the SEC and by then the Heisman voters will have forgotten about Troy(much like they did the 50 points USC put up on us at home).  We would be talking about wins rather than listening to Nutt give excuses for being "almost there".

Sometimes a tragedy is what it takes to wake people up to reality.  Losing to Troy would not only be a wake up call but I also believe it is the best chance for Nutt to be fired, both of which would allow the healing to begin.  Some of you talk about the Seniors and Dmac and Jones.  That's the very reason it has to happen immediately.  I'm not willing to wait a whole season for that to happen and they don't deserve to have their season wasted either.

I disagree with your point.  Liken this back to Clinton leaving office and the GOP regaining power.  The Dems were more interested in getting back at the Republicans than moving on under the new Bush Administration, and that is even after the WTC attacks.  You would think that a tragedy of that magnitude would bring us all together, but it didn't.

If planes flying into the towers couldn't reunite the powers for even a year's time, there is no reason to believe that the "huggers" and "darksiders" will ever get together, either.  If HDN leaves for any reason other than of his own accord, you can bet that there will be plenty from the hugger side that will have their own agenda to "get back" at those who attacked HDN.

This fanbase is too far apart to be reunited under this or the next coach.  We are Humpty Dumpty.

+1, thats a good point, and actually from the recent polls if Nutt if fired there be even more unsatisfied fans then if he goes.  If you please one side the other will not be happy. The only thing that will bring the fan base back together will be a continued run of successful seasons, no matter who the coach is.

[claytongray]

Welcome to Cluelessville.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Day 2, Reason #2:  The Healing Can Begin.

There is nothing that will bring our fan base together more than Nutt's immediate firing.  It would also immediately rally the team behind the interim and I believe we could possibly win out at that point.  The fans, players and coaches would be sent a clear message that the PTB does care and will not tolerate losing and mediocrity.  The drama would instantly be gone and the healing would begin.  Our only chance for this to happen is a loss to Troy at home.  Losing to Kentucky, or any other losses later in the season won't do it, IMO.

We could still do very well in the SEC and by then the Heisman voters will have forgotten about Troy(much like they did the 50 points USC put up on us at home).  We would be talking about wins rather than listening to Nutt give excuses for being "almost there".

Sometimes a tragedy is what it takes to wake people up to reality.  Losing to Troy would not only be a wake up call but I also believe it is the best chance for Nutt to be fired, both of which would allow the healing to begin.  Some of you talk about the Seniors and Dmac and Jones.  That's the very reason it has to happen immediately.  I'm not willing to wait a whole season for that to happen and they don't deserve to have their season wasted either.

I disagree with your point.  Liken this back to Clinton leaving office and the GOP regaining power.  The Dems were more interested in getting back at the Republicans than moving on under the new Bush Administration, and that is even after the WTC attacks.  You would think that a tragedy of that magnitude would bring us all together, but it didn't.

If planes flying into the towers couldn't reunite the powers for even a year's time, there is no reason to believe that the "huggers" and "darksiders" will ever get together, either.  If HDN leaves for any reason other than of his own accord, you can bet that there will be plenty from the hugger side that will have their own agenda to "get back" at those who attacked HDN.

This fanbase is too far apart to be reunited under this or the next coach.  We are Humpty Dumpty.

+1, thats a good point, and actually from the recent polls if Nutt if fired there be even more unsatisfied fans then if he goes.  If you please one side the other will not be happy. The only thing that will bring the fan base back together will be a continued run of successful seasons, no matter who the coach is.

Well, then this suggests something that I hoped wasn't true:  Those fans are Houston Nutt fans first.  That is a sad situation.

[GrumpyHog]

Day 2, Reason #2:  The Healing Can Begin.

There is nothing that will bring our fan base together more than Nutt's immediate firing.  It would also immediately rally the team behind the interim and I believe we could possibly win out at that point.  The fans, players and coaches would be sent a clear message that the PTB does care and will not tolerate losing and mediocrity.  The drama would instantly be gone and the healing would begin.  Our only chance for this to happen is a loss to Troy at home.  Losing to Kentucky, or any other losses later in the season won't do it, IMO.

We could still do very well in the SEC and by then the Heisman voters will have forgotten about Troy(much like they did the 50 points USC put up on us at home).  We would be talking about wins rather than listening to Nutt give excuses for being "almost there".

Sometimes a tragedy is what it takes to wake people up to reality.  Losing to Troy would not only be a wake up call but I also believe it is the best chance for Nutt to be fired, both of which would allow the healing to begin.  Some of you talk about the Seniors and Dmac and Jones.  That's the very reason it has to happen immediately.  I'm not willing to wait a whole season for that to happen and they don't deserve to have their season wasted either.

I can't wait til day three. preach on brother.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Day 3, Reason #3:  The Truth Will Set You Free.

There is a group of fans who think Houston Nutt is a good coach, the best we can get, etc., in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They refuse to believe that he ran off the best QB coming out of high school we have ever had, a great wide receiver and an up and coming offensive coordinator, not to mention the recruits who would have gladly come to Arkansas had he been removed.  Losing to Troy will be the only way that they will wake up and realize he is not a good coach and that his administrative and leadership skills are even worse than his play-calling and coaching decisions during games.  We must have a coach that understands the importance of not just being a motivator, but of making the program the BEST that it can be - no excuses.  The impact of such an embarrasing defeat will open the eyes of even the most die-hard Houston Nutt supporter, to help them see what has really been going on.

[grayhawg]

HOW DID THIS GET OUT OF THE TRASH?

[PolishPigPower]

Day 2, Reason #2:  The Healing Can Begin.

There is nothing that will bring our fan base together more than Nutt's immediate firing.  It would also immediately rally the team behind the interim and I believe we could possibly win out at that point.  The fans, players and coaches would be sent a clear message that the PTB does care and will not tolerate losing and mediocrity.  The drama would instantly be gone and the healing would begin.  Our only chance for this to happen is a loss to Troy at home.  Losing to Kentucky, or any other losses later in the season won't do it, IMO.

We could still do very well in the SEC and by then the Heisman voters will have forgotten about Troy(much like they did the 50 points USC put up on us at home).  We would be talking about wins rather than listening to Nutt give excuses for being "almost there".

Sometimes a tragedy is what it takes to wake people up to reality.  Losing to Troy would not only be a wake up call but I also believe it is the best chance for Nutt to be fired, both of which would allow the healing to begin.  Some of you talk about the Seniors and Dmac and Jones.  That's the very reason it has to happen immediately.  I'm not willing to wait a whole season for that to happen and they don't deserve to have their season wasted either.

I disagree with your point.  Liken this back to Clinton leaving office and the GOP regaining power.  The Dems were more interested in getting back at the Republicans than moving on under the new Bush Administration, and that is even after the WTC attacks.  You would think that a tragedy of that magnitude would bring us all together, but it didn't.

If planes flying into the towers couldn't reunite the powers for even a year's time, there is no reason to believe that the "huggers" and "darksiders" will ever get together, either.  If HDN leaves for any reason other than of his own accord, you can bet that there will be plenty from the hugger side that will have their own agenda to "get back" at those who attacked HDN.

This fanbase is too far apart to be reunited under this or the next coach.  We are Humpty Dumpty.

+1, thats a good point, and actually from the recent polls if Nutt if fired there be even more unsatisfied fans then if he goes.  If you please one side the other will not be happy. The only thing that will bring the fan base back together will be a continued run of successful seasons, no matter who the coach is.

Well, then this suggests something that I hoped wasn't true:  Those fans are Houston Nutt fans first.  That is a sad situation.

Doesn't necessarily mean that those people are HDN fans first.  Just means that his departure will at least *appear* that the darksiders got the better of the huggers.  That pure feeling of spite will be enough for some huggers to hold it against the other side and want to "get even".

At that point, HDN himself doesn't matter in the equation.  The Hatfields & McCoys forgot what they were fighting about, too...

[BlackKnightHogFan]

Day 3, Reason #3:  The Truth Will Set You Free.

There is a group of fans who think Houston Nutt is a good coach, the best we can get, etc., in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They refuse to believe that he ran off the best QB coming out of high school we have ever had, a great wide receiver and an up and coming offensive coordinator, not to mention the recruits who would have gladly come to Arkansas had he been removed.  Losing to Troy will be the only way that they will wake up and realize he is not a good coach and that his administrative and leadership skills are even worse than his play-calling and coaching decisions during games.  We must have a coach that understands the importance of not just being a motivator, but of making the program the BEST that it can be - no excuses.  The impact of such an embarrasing defeat will open the eyes of even the most die-hard Houston Nutt supporter, to help them see what has really been going on.

I disagree...if that did not happen after Vandy '05 it will take more then a loss to Troy to open up their eyes.  Besides Monk, Hillis, and Cleveland are hurt and Harrison is out...DMW ready made excuses!

[Richard_white]

Day 3, Reason #3:  The Truth Will Set You Free.

There is a group of fans who think Houston Nutt is a good coach, the best we can get, etc., in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They refuse to believe that he ran off the best QB coming out of high school we have ever had, a great wide receiver and an up and coming offensive coordinator, not to mention the recruits who would have gladly come to Arkansas had he been removed.  Losing to Troy will be the only way that they will wake up and realize he is not a good coach and that his administrative and leadership skills are even worse than his play-calling and coaching decisions during games.  We must have a coach that understands the importance of not just being a motivator, but of making the program the BEST that it can be - no excuses.  The impact of such an embarrasing defeat will open the eyes of even the most die-hard Houston Nutt supporter, to help them see what has really been going on.

I disagree...if that did not happen after Vandy '05 it will take more then a loss to Troy to open up their eyes.  Besides Monk, Hillis, and Cleveland are hurt and Harrison is out...DMW ready made excuses!

It's football.  It happens.  It shouldn't be an excuse.

[Michael_Porkleone]

12,539 posts on this board.  Hmmmmm? Must have a lot of free time.

[PolishPigPower]

Day 3, Reason #3:  The Truth Will Set You Free.

There is a group of fans who think Houston Nutt is a good coach, the best we can get, etc., in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They refuse to believe that he ran off the best QB coming out of high school we have ever had, a great wide receiver and an up and coming offensive coordinator, not to mention the recruits who would have gladly come to Arkansas had he been removed.  Losing to Troy will be the only way that they will wake up and realize he is not a good coach and that his administrative and leadership skills are even worse than his play-calling and coaching decisions during games.  We must have a coach that understands the importance of not just being a motivator, but of making the program the BEST that it can be - no excuses.  The impact of such an embarrasing defeat will open the eyes of even the most die-hard Houston Nutt supporter, to help them see what has really been going on.

Now, I will agree with this.  The point where he fully lost me was when he ran off Gus.  GM was treated like an unwelcome foster child, and did what was best for himself.  I believe that he was brought on staff under false pretense, and while his brain was picked for ideas, he was not able to truly implement the offense as he saw fit.  His OCOY award was for his ideas and formations, but the actual playcalling went through the funnel that is HDN.  When it got to be crunchtime late in the year, that funnel tightened, and we closed out 0-3.

The parade of "alleged" scandals that followed (TP's emails & punishment, MM and DW, the posse, Textgate, now it's Bazzel...) has just been too much for me.  We can go 7-5 every season without all of this drama, I would think.  It is my sincerest hope that we could go 14-0 every once in a while, too.  I just want to be able to root for the Hogs, and not even question whether we'd be better off losing.

I want him gone... oh yes I do... but I would rather see this done by means of a new AD's wishes, and not by a group of seniors having a totally squandered season.

[VandyHog]

That I agree with.  I would hate to see the team have a bad season when they have so much talent.

It is sad to see the fan base so divided five days before the opening game, regardless of the cause.  Whether he stays or goes, it will take a long time for everyone to get back together.  There's just too much anger and bitterness from both sides.

[Nashville Fan]

12,539 posts on this board.  Hmmmmm? Must have a lot of free time.

You do realize that at your current pace, if you stay a board member as many years as  NS, you will have 6,053.6 posts? Are you trying to belittle a message by belittling the messenger? Seems a little hypocritical considering your post rate.

[Michaelt]

Day 3, Reason #3:  The Truth Will Set You Free.

There is a group of fans who think Houston Nutt is a good coach, the best we can get, etc., in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They refuse to believe that he ran off the best QB coming out of high school we have ever had, a great wide receiver and an up and coming offensive coordinator, not to mention the recruits who would have gladly come to Arkansas had he been removed.  Losing to Troy will be the only way that they will wake up and realize he is not a good coach and that his administrative and leadership skills are even worse than his play-calling and coaching decisions during games.  We must have a coach that understands the importance of not just being a motivator, but of making the program the BEST that it can be - no excuses.  The impact of such an embarrasing defeat will open the eyes of even the most die-hard Houston Nutt supporter, to help them see what has really been going on.

I have my opinions about HDN as a coach; I have my opinions as to how I believe a head coach should run his program; but I'm not part of that program as an employee or a consultant, so no one has called and asked me my opinion on that.

As far as "running off...." nothing has been proven to be concrete as to who knew what, who did this or that (generally speaking), and it is well known that the quarterback in question and a couple others were committed to, or highly considering commitments to other schools before the OC was hired, then those commitments were changed and they came to UA. So my question would be this:
Did these young men want to be Razorbacks? Or did they decide to be Razorbacks because of the OC hire?

I don't want to get too far into the "running off..." mess because I don't know if that will ever be aired out to where everything is known by everyone.

HDN's coaching "skills" are suspect. He is a motivator, that much I'll grant, but his admin skills are also suspect. I think the U of A deserves a head coach who KNOWS HOW to be a head coach, whomever that ends up being. I don't think a loss to Troy would be that much of an "eye-opener" to things that should already be prevelant in peoples minds. Anymore it's just the defensive nature on both sides of the fence that kick in.

[UAFS-Hawg23]

I don't care how you slice it getting beat by TROY will not do us any good what so ever!

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

As far as "running off...." nothing has been proven to be concrete as to who knew what, who did this or that (generally speaking), and it is well known that the quarterback in question and a couple others were committed to, or highly considering commitments to other schools before the OC was hired, then those commitments were changed and they came to UA. So my question would be this:
Did these young men want to be Razorbacks? Or did they decide to be Razorbacks because of the OC hire?

You honestly think Mitch and Damian left more because of a history of wanting to go elsewhere(which was because HDN was the head coach) and not because of systematically being harassed by HDN, the equipment manager, HDN's family and friends - as well as Butu and Jackson's code red?  Are you aware of all of the evidence of this?

[hirebutchdavis]

GO TROY YOU CAN DO IT WE CAN HELP

[Hogphilia]

Post like these help me out A LOT!!  I can easily decide which posters to hit the ignore button on.  If you are wishing the Hogs to lose then I dont want to read any of your opinions, thoughts, praises, critiques, predictions, etc. Go Hogs!

Oh my, I am sure that Notshavin will have to take a sleep aid tonight now that you are ignoring him?

Alert - We do not care who you ignore or don't ignore!!!!!!!!!!

[Michaelt]

You honestly think Mitch and Damian left more because of a history of wanting to go elsewhere(which was because HDN was the head coach) and not because of systematically being harassed by HDN, the equipment manager, HDN's family and friends - as well as Butu and Jackson's code red?  Are you aware of all of the evidence of this?

A couple of questions: Wasn't HDN the head coach when they committed?

I will admit I have not read nor heard of any personal harrassment from HDN towards MM and DW. If there is and I have not seen it I apologize; but I don't recall any harrassment from him. Now that is not a defense, I'm just stating that I have not been shown any.

Equipment manager? I'm assuming you mean the shoes, shoulder pads, etc? That is going to be talked about by different people no matter how you slice that one.

family and friends...different story. That is documented, and I agree 100% it should have never happened. Now, I'm not aware of any harrassment other than the email that the woman sent to MM; if there is more that he was subjected to, then again I stand by the statement that it shouldn't have happened. On the other hand; an email can be read and dismissed, let go, and a person can overcome stupid stuff said to him, about him, etc. I'm not saying that MM fled without reason, I'm just saying that he also could have decided to stay and work his way back to a starting spot; his abilities and his talent would have easily shone and he would have probably started this Saturday had he stayed. Of that we'll of course never know.

Again, I'm not mounting a defense of HDN, I'm just offering alternatives to your opinions.

[Hogphilia]

Haters... Did you notice you are in the minority? lets fire houston nutt becuase a measley 10% or 15% of the fan base hates him. Stop the ranting and degrading of our university. What makes you as a fan feel that you are above the university and thay you can call the shots? Are you the AD? The president? No! I am no Nutt hugger by any means as he has shown he is a mediocre coach. I am a HOGHUGGER!!! Support the program, root for the program, not the coach. If he gets canned then so be it. Let it be his own undoing and the decision of the university. All the haters negativity is making me root more for NUTT to keep his job, just to see you selfish few suffer more. Let him do it himself. If he is such a bad coach, the new AD will do what is best for UA! Stop trying to force what you want on the university. Do you think that being the minority that you should get what you want over the majorities opinion? Most of the state is not displeased with the football program. Did you look at the results of that independent pole?

Wait till Li'l Abner blows the Kentucky game and or the Bamer game.....Then we will see who the minority is!

[H()G]

Day 2, Reason #2:  The Healing Can Begin.

There is nothing that will bring our fan base together more than Nutt's immediate firing.  It would also immediately rally the team behind the interim and I believe we could possibly win out at that point.  The fans, players and coaches would be sent a clear message that the PTB does care and will not tolerate losing and mediocrity.  The drama would instantly be gone and the healing would begin.  Our only chance for this to happen is a loss to Troy at home.  Losing to Kentucky, or any other losses later in the season won't do it, IMO.

We could still do very well in the SEC and by then the Heisman voters will have forgotten about Troy(much like they did the 50 points USC put up on us at home).  We would be talking about wins rather than listening to Nutt give excuses for being "almost there".

Sometimes a tragedy is what it takes to wake people up to reality.  Losing to Troy would not only be a wake up call but I also believe it is the best chance for Nutt to be fired, both of which would allow the healing to begin.  Some of you talk about the Seniors and Dmac and Jones.  That's the very reason it has to happen immediately.  I'm not willing to wait a whole season for that to happen and they don't deserve to have their season wasted either.

I disagree with your point.  Liken this back to Clinton leaving office and the GOP regaining power.  The Dems were more interested in getting back at the Republicans than moving on under the new Bush Administration, and that is even after the WTC attacks.  You would think that a tragedy of that magnitude would bring us all together, but it didn't.

If planes flying into the towers couldn't reunite the powers for even a year's time, there is no reason to believe that the "huggers" and "darksiders" will ever get together, either.  If HDN leaves for any reason other than of his own accord, you can bet that there will be plenty from the hugger side that will have their own agenda to "get back" at those who attacked HDN.

This fanbase is too far apart to be reunited under this or the next coach.  We are Humpty Dumpty.

+1, thats a good point, and actually from the recent polls if Nutt if fired there be even more unsatisfied fans then if he goes.  If you please one side the other will not be happy. The only thing that will bring the fan base back together will be a continued run of successful seasons, no matter who the coach is.

Well, then this suggests something that I hoped wasn't true:  Those fans are Houston Nutt fans first.  That is a sad situation.

The ultimate spinster you are..  way to spin that to sound the way you wanted it to.  You know thats not what it means.  But just like most things, the darkside makes up a lot of stuff.

[bythelake]

Day 2, Reason #2:  The Healing Can Begin.

There is nothing that will bring our fan base together more than Nutt's immediate firing.  It would also immediately rally the team behind the interim and I believe we could possibly win out at that point.  The fans, players and coaches would be sent a clear message that the PTB does care and will not tolerate losing and mediocrity.  The drama would instantly be gone and the healing would begin.  Our only chance for this to happen is a loss to Troy at home.  Losing to Kentucky, or any other losses later in the season won't do it, IMO.

We could still do very well in the SEC and by then the Heisman voters will have forgotten about Troy(much like they did the 50 points USC put up on us at home).  We would be talking about wins rather than listening to Nutt give excuses for being "almost there".

Sometimes a tragedy is what it takes to wake people up to reality.  Losing to Troy would not only be a wake up call but I also believe it is the best chance for Nutt to be fired, both of which would allow the healing to begin.  Some of you talk about the Seniors and Dmac and Jones.  That's the very reason it has to happen immediately.  I'm not willing to wait a whole season for that to happen and they don't deserve to have their season wasted either.

I disagree with your point.  Liken this back to Clinton leaving office and the GOP regaining power.  The Dems were more interested in getting back at the Republicans than moving on under the new Bush Administration, and that is even after the WTC attacks.  You would think that a tragedy of that magnitude would bring us all together, but it didn't.

If planes flying into the towers couldn't reunite the powers for even a year's time, there is no reason to believe that the "huggers" and "darksiders" will ever get together, either.  If HDN leaves for any reason other than of his own accord, you can bet that there will be plenty from the hugger side that will have their own agenda to "get back" at those who attacked HDN.

This fanbase is too far apart to be reunited under this or the next coach.  We are Humpty Dumpty.

I do not totally agree.  Sure there will be some extreme Nutt loyalist that may be vindictive, but the majority of the fans are fence setters like me.  We just want to win and enjoy the games.  We could care less who the coach is.  We are more interested in supporting the team than we are about who the coach is. 

[Hogphilia]

I actually know of several darksiders who are thinking of becoming huggers just b/c they do not want to be associated with those who want the hogs to lose..   So to those of you who want the hogs to lose..  becareful, you might find your minority even smaller of a group before long.

Would you huggers get it through your head?....I (and the others on here who are calling for Abner's head on a platter even if it means a loss) could give a rat's a$$ about whether we are in the minority or whether our comments might result in one more hugger....

Can you not see that this is about doing the RIGHT THING???  Dealing with short term pain to get a coach with INTEGRITY....that is what it is about....So you really think that we will throw away our moral convictions out of fear that some darksider might decide to be a hugger just to try to show us up??  WRONG.

[bythelake]

I actually know of several darksiders who are thinking of becoming huggers just b/c they do not want to be associated with those who want the hogs to lose..   So to those of you who want the hogs to lose..  becareful, you might find your minority even smaller of a group before long.

Would you huggers get it through your head?....I (and the others on here who are calling for Abner's head on a platter even if it means a loss) could give a rat's a$$ about whether we are in the minority or whether our comments might result in one more hugger....

Can you not see that this is about doing the RIGHT THING???  Dealing with short term pain to get a coach with INTEGRITY....that is what it is about....So you really think that we will throw away our moral convictions out of fear that some darksider might decide to be a hugger just to try to show us up??  WRONG.

That's the scary part.  I am leary of people that preach the right or wrong.  Everybody has their own opinion of who is right or wrong.  Should one group be able to determine the fate of a coach?  We need to let the people hired to make that decision do their jobs.  In the long run these people will wake up and make things "right" or "wrong".

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

You honestly think Mitch and Damian left more because of a history of wanting to go elsewhere(which was because HDN was the head coach) and not because of systematically being harassed by HDN, the equipment manager, HDN's family and friends - as well as Butu and Jackson's code red?  Are you aware of all of the evidence of this?

A couple of questions: Wasn't HDN the head coach when they committed?

I will admit I have not read nor heard of any personal harrassment from HDN towards MM and DW. If there is and I have not seen it I apologize; but I don't recall any harrassment from him. Now that is not a defense, I'm just stating that I have not been shown any.

Equipment manager? I'm assuming you mean the shoes, shoulder pads, etc? That is going to be talked about by different people no matter how you slice that one.

family and friends...different story. That is documented, and I agree 100% it should have never happened. Now, I'm not aware of any harrassment other than the email that the woman sent to MM; if there is more that he was subjected to, then again I stand by the statement that it shouldn't have happened. On the other hand; an email can be read and dismissed, let go, and a person can overcome stupid stuff said to him, about him, etc. I'm not saying that MM fled without reason, I'm just saying that he also could have decided to stay and work his way back to a starting spot; his abilities and his talent would have easily shone and he would have probably started this Saturday had he stayed. Of that we'll of course never know.

Again, I'm not mounting a defense of HDN, I'm just offering alternatives to your opinions.

Yes, he was the coach - Let me take you back to Mitch's statement from the book.  He said AR would have had a better chance of getting him without HDN.  That of course was before HDN said he had done a 180 and agreed to hire an OC who would develop a passing game. 

Those kids wanted to be Hogs so bad they trusted HDN and that he had agreed to give up the offense play calling.  He lied.

Do you mean to tell me that all of those people, so closely connected to HDN, acted COMPLETELY alone - harassing the POY - that was THEIR idea.  Please.  Let's be logical.

[H()G]

Day 3, Reason #3:  The Truth Will Set You Free.

There is a group of fans who think Houston Nutt is a good coach, the best we can get, etc., in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They refuse to believe that he ran off the best QB coming out of high school we have ever had, a great wide receiver and an up and coming offensive coordinator, not to mention the recruits who would have gladly come to Arkansas had he been removed.  Losing to Troy will be the only way that they will wake up and realize he is not a good coach and that his administrative and leadership skills are even worse than his play-calling and coaching decisions during games.  We must have a coach that understands the importance of not just being a motivator, but of making the program the BEST that it can be - no excuses.  The impact of such an embarrasing defeat will open the eyes of even the most die-hard Houston Nutt supporter, to help them see what has really been going on.

And for the third day in a row, Fire Nutt.

You have made some serious allegations here, as a lot of darksiders have said 1 million time before...  It's all speculation, you have no proof of any of it. And you are willing to see 80+ men, who bust there tailend everyday to will ball games for the fans that supposedly love them, have a bad season because of your selfishness. You have stated that huggers have put there love for Nutt about the razorbacks. Why because they don't want the hogs to lose???  When in reality you have put your own wants before the Razorbacks.

You also insinuated that he does not make decision to better the team.. You have no proof.  I am anxious to hear your reasoning for this.

This whole topic is total slap in the face, dishonor, and disrespect to the men who step out on that field and bust there tail, who sweat and bleed in the 100 degree temperature because they love the game. This needs to go back in the trash can where it came from. I challenge the mods to take a stand for the razorback program and put this where it belongs.

[H()G]

You honestly think Mitch and Damian left more because of a history of wanting to go elsewhere(which was because HDN was the head coach) and not because of systematically being harassed by HDN, the equipment manager, HDN's family and friends - as well as Butu and Jackson's code red?  Are you aware of all of the evidence of this?

A couple of questions: Wasn't HDN the head coach when they committed?

I will admit I have not read nor heard of any personal harrassment from HDN towards MM and DW. If there is and I have not seen it I apologize; but I don't recall any harrassment from him. Now that is not a defense, I'm just stating that I have not been shown any.

Equipment manager? I'm assuming you mean the shoes, shoulder pads, etc? That is going to be talked about by different people no matter how you slice that one.

family and friends...different story. That is documented, and I agree 100% it should have never happened. Now, I'm not aware of any harrassment other than the email that the woman sent to MM; if there is more that he was subjected to, then again I stand by the statement that it shouldn't have happened. On the other hand; an email can be read and dismissed, let go, and a person can overcome stupid stuff said to him, about him, etc. I'm not saying that MM fled without reason, I'm just saying that he also could have decided to stay and work his way back to a starting spot; his abilities and his talent would have easily shone and he would have probably started this Saturday had he stayed. Of that we'll of course never know.

Again, I'm not mounting a defense of HDN, I'm just offering alternatives to your opinions.

Yes, he was the coach - Let me take you back to Mitch's statement from the book.  He said AR would have had a better chance of getting him without HDN.  That of course was before HDN said he had done a 180 and agreed to hire an OC who would develop a passing game. 

Those kids wanted to be Hogs so bad they trusted HDN and that he had agreed to give up the offense play calling.  He lied.

Do you mean to tell me that all of those people, so closely connected to HDN, acted COMPLETELY alone - harassing the POY - that was THEIR idea.  Please.  Let's be logical.

Another allegation with nothing to back it up... You have no idea if he lied.  Maybe he realized how bad the passing game was going to suck and made the RIGHT decision to run the ball.  If had put MM in there and let him throw the ball 30 times a game causing us to go 6-6 or worse. You would be firing him for that.. The truth is you want wins and you will gripe about anything until you get it

[Michaelt]

Yes, he was the coach - Let me take you back to Mitch's statement from the book.  He said AR would have had a better chance of getting him without HDN.  That of course was before HDN said he had done a 180 and agreed to hire an OC who would develop a passing game. 

OK, so how much "behind the scenes" talking do you think was going on amongst MM, GM, JFB, and HDN?? Do you think there were agreements made behind closed doors to get these kids to rescind their commitment to other schools, and in MM's case, to close his recruitment again and re-commit to UA? If there was, wouldn't you consider that a little shady as well?

Those kids wanted to be Hogs so bad they trusted HDN and that he had agreed to give up the offense play calling.  He lied.

Didn't a couple of them verbally commit to Florida? Or were they signed commitments? I don't remember that part. So did they want to be hogs so badly? OR did they want to be hogs after their demands were met??
He lied; probably so...I don't want to argue that part. Or do I?? lol. In his opinion the course wasn't working the way he felt it needed to work. He went back to his bread and butter; and except for the train wreck at the end of the season, it worked out pretty well. NOW...had GM and MM and DW stayed and went through spring and this fall camp, two more sessions to put the HUNH into effect, how different would things have gone? I think everyone had a rough honeymoon, and they couldn't see the possibilities with minor tweaks...who's to blame? I think everyone shares a tad, I think HDN shares a LOAD...but that's another story.

Do you mean to tell me that all of those people, so closely connected to HDN, acted COMPLETELY alone - harassing the POY - that was THEIR idea.  Please.  Let's be logical.

Ok, lets be logical. HDN has the best QB recruit with a bright future. He plays well but makes some freshman mistakes. HDN gets nervous and pulls him and inserts CD (honestly I'll never understand that one...) but it happens.

Do you really think that HDN was sitting at home or in his office one evening and thought..."you know, if I can get someone to send a seething email to MM, then that might just break him and he'll want to transfer to another school. But...I'll have to make sure that I present it to someone that will be their idea, so I won't have any knowledge of it...and I can play dumb about it.".....so he talks to the Mrs. who comes up with the perfect person to send it.....TP? Think it came about something like that?

If you look at it logically...then the whole damn thing doesn't make one bit of sense at all. WHY HDN didn't address it when it was first brought up is beyond me. Why it was swept away into a desk somewhere is beyond me...IF there is ever anything that comes to light that shows 100% that he had any idea about it prior to it being sent to MM, then I can guarantee you that I will be on the steps of the Broyles center demanding his release....but that's just it....being logical about it, it's all conjecture....there is no "without a doubt" part to that. Did TP act alone? I don't know...was it a terrible thing...yes.

[Ugly Uncle]

Yes, he was the coach - Let me take you back to Mitch's statement from the book.  He said AR would have had a better chance of getting him without HDN.  That of course was before HDN said he had done a 180 and agreed to hire an OC who would develop a passing game. 

OK, so how much "behind the scenes" talking do you think was going on amongst MM, GM, JFB, and HDN?? Do you think there were agreements made behind closed doors to get these kids to rescind their commitment to other schools, and in MM's case, to close his recruitment again and re-commit to UA? If there was, wouldn't you consider that a little shady as well?

Those kids wanted to be Hogs so bad they trusted HDN and that he had agreed to give up the offense play calling.  He lied.

Didn't a couple of them verbally commit to Florida? Or were they signed commitments? I don't remember that part. So did they want to be hogs so badly? OR did they want to be hogs after their demands were met??
He lied; probably so...I don't want to argue that part. Or do I?? lol. In his opinion the course wasn't working the way he felt it needed to work. He went back to his bread and butter; and except for the train wreck at the end of the season, it worked out pretty well. NOW...had GM and MM and DW stayed and went through spring and this fall camp, two more sessions to put the HUNH into effect, how different would things have gone? I think everyone had a rough honeymoon, and they couldn't see the possibilities with minor tweaks...who's to blame? I think everyone shares a tad, I think HDN shares a LOAD...but that's another story.

Do you mean to tell me that all of those people, so closely connected to HDN, acted COMPLETELY alone - harassing the POY - that was THEIR idea.  Please.  Let's be logical.

Ok, lets be logical. HDN has the best QB recruit with a bright future. He plays well but makes some freshman mistakes. HDN gets nervous and pulls him and inserts CD (honestly I'll never understand that one...) but it happens.

Do you really think that HDN was sitting at home or in his office one evening and thought..."you know, if I can get someone to send a seething email to MM, then that might just break him and he'll want to transfer to another school. But...I'll have to make sure that I present it to someone that will be their idea, so I won't have any knowledge of it...and I can play dumb about it.".....so he talks to the Mrs. who comes up with the perfect person to send it.....TP? Think it came about something like that?

If you look at it logically...then the whole damn thing doesn't make one bit of sense at all. WHY HDN didn't address it when it was first brought up is beyond me. Why it was swept away into a desk somewhere is beyond me...IF there is ever anything that comes to light that shows 100% that he had any idea about it prior to it being sent to MM, then I can guarantee you that I will be on the steps of the Broyles center demanding his release....but that's just it....being logical about it, it's all conjecture....there is no "without a doubt" part to that. Did TP act alone? I don't know...was it a terrible thing...yes.

1.  Actually, there was a late night meeting with Mitch, Gus, HdN and the other offensive coaches.  12:01 a.m. to be exact.  Media covered it and everything, so I don't think they were trying to be "shady."  As I recall, a playbook was given to Mitch, and he was told, "this is what we are running."

2.  Yes those guys committed to Florida.  Because Florida uses TE and WR.  I would suspect that these guys that always wanted to be Hogs, but wanted to actually be used in an offense chose to believe that HdN really was going to use that playbook and turn "gus loose"

3.  I can only speculate if HdN actually told them to write it.  Might he have hinted at it?  I might even give that a probably.  Did those people at least get their opinions of the situation from HdN?  Absolutely.  Did HdN say that the text messages and phone calls that sandwiched the emails had nothing to do with the emails?  Yes.  Did Michael Vick say in his last interview before the one today, "Anyone that knows me, knows that I am an animal lover..."?  Yes.  Liars lie.  He lied about when he knew about it.  That is documented in HdN's own words.

Pretty much everything you just posted was wrong.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

IF there is ever anything that comes to light that shows 100% that he had any idea about it prior to it being sent to MM, then I can guarantee you that I will be on the steps of the Broyles center demanding his release...

I don't want to get into all the details again, but wouldn't you have gone elsewhere if your contract had not been renewed for weeks after it should have been AND you had heard through the grapevine that you were being demoted, all this after you had been named Rivals OC of the year? - And this AFTER he was handcuffed by Nutt all season, in spite of being told he would have full control of the offense.

I'll respond to this one.  All he had to do was turn over his SIM card when asked to, and he could have PROVEN he didn't know.  He refused.  That's not enough for you?

[bythelake]

This may be a little tacky, but, you have to wonder.  I'm not sure that Houston was that aware of what the posse was doing.  Probably not aware of what his wife was doing regarding emails.  How many husbands set around worrying about their wife's emails.  He was busy with football and ....... text messaging.  Ever think about that. 

[swinemaster]

You should change your facts to Rivals Oc of the Year.  A pay website can say whatever they want but he isn't in the league of a Jimbo Fisher or Al Borges or David Cutcliff.  Skewed reality to benefit your position.  Kind of like 8-0


And by the way Notshavin, I've always felt a little sorry for you since that gust of wind at Vanderbilt killed your last pipe dream.  Hang in there man, nothing lasts forever.

[H()G]

IF there is ever anything that comes to light that shows 100% that he had any idea about it prior to it being sent to MM, then I can guarantee you that I will be on the steps of the Broyles center demanding his release...

I don't want to get into all the details again, but wouldn't you have gone elsewhere if your contract had not been renewed for weeks after it should have been AND you had heard through the grapevine that you were being demoted, all this after you had been named SEC OC of the year? - And this AFTER he was handcuffed by Nutt all season, in spite of being told he would have full control of the offense.

I'll respond to this one.  All he had to do was turn over his SIM card when asked to, and he could have PROVEN he didn't know.  He refused.  That's not enough for you?

Prove it.  How do you know all of this? How do you know the reason he contract wasn't extended sooner because he was already having thought of leaving??  How do you know he heard through the grapevine that he was being demoted??  How do you know he was handcuffed by Nutt all season??  Can you respond to this one?? I can see you don't have proof to respond to the other one.. Thus admitting I am was right.