Stop the Fire Altman Posts

[SpareRib]

The reality is the majority of the Arkansas fan base is reacting simply because we all know that the 1 change that still needs to happen up on the Hill hasn't and won't happen. 

Our head basketball coach has been fired.  Our AD has been forced to announce his retirement.  1 assistant football coach was run off to Tulsa.  2 of the best players off last years football team were run off.

Yet through all of this, HDN is still standing. 

Unfortunately for Dana Altman, this is the environment he is coming into and that is why people aren't doing backflips over his hiring. 

Razorback fans are just looking for a sign of hope and a reason to get excited about our football and basketball programs.....the future looks cloudy, at best.

If this were true, it's beyond lame.  Rabid fans who assume no responsibility for how their actions are perceived by others aren't any asset to the program's image.  Words like personal accountability, sportsmanship & civility are foreign to some folks.  It's this stuff that has the rest of the country laughing at us.



I want Nutt and Broyles gone too, but this is Dana Altman's day!  Let's leave Nutt, Broyles, and that crap out of it and just demonstrate some hospitality.

Fed up with this -

Pork Out :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[Lokirain]

So this is what we've been waiting for? A subpar coach from a questionable program. I didn't think Stan was great, but he is better than his successor at least. Arkansas Ball... are you ready for Mediocrity?

[cal34]

Hes not the big name coach I was hoping for but I think it will turn out to be a good hire. Hes got to be better than Heath.

[Porkem]

Well said Wilson...especially the part about Dana "very shortly will become a member of our Razorback family."  He's about to get thrown to the wolves and I already feel genuine sympathy toward him.  You'll hear no Dana bashing from me.  Give the guy a chance...he's part of our family now.

[PolishPigPower]

Jim Tressel was at Youngstown State for 15 seasons before going to OSU.
Thad Matta came from Xavier to OSU.
Billy Donovan was at Marshall before going to Florida.
Mike Krzyzewski was at the US Military Academy for 5 seasons before renewing Duke.
Ben Howland was at Northern Arizona for 5 seasons before kickstarting Pitt's, and now UCLA's, program.
Bruce Pearl was at Southern Indiana for 9 seasons, then at Milwaukee for 4, before taking over Tennessee.
Tim Floyd was at Idaho for 3, UNO for 6, and ISU for 4 before crashing in the NBA and getting things back together at USC.

What constitutes a "big name"?  Altman has a track record of success, and I don't care if the head coach's name is "Booger Cooterson" as long as we consistently play hard with some desire and have the results to show for it.  I am actually quite interested to see what this guy can do with the incredible facilities he's been given.  I'm on the bandwagon...

You can call me Hogville's First Official Dana Hugger...   

[OzarkHighs]

Welcome Coach Altman!

[Babbitt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzIVza5LfIk&search=chorus+

[hogsanity]

Jim Tressel was at Youngstown State for 15 seasons before going to OSU.
Thad Matta came from Xavier to OSU.
Billy Donovan was at Marshall before going to Florida.
Mike Krzyzewski was at the US Military Academy for 5 seasons before renewing Duke.
Ben Howland was at Northern Arizona for 5 seasons before kickstarting Pitt's, and now UCLA's, program.
Bruce Pearl was at Southern Indiana for 9 seasons, then at Milwaukee for 4, before taking over Tennessee.
Tim Floyd was at Idaho for 3, UNO for 6, and ISU for 4 before crashing in the NBA and getting things back together at USC.

What constitutes a "big name"?  Altman has a track record of success, and I don't care if the head coach's name is "Booger Cooterson" as long as we consistently play hard with some desire and have the results to show for it.  I am actually quite interested to see what this guy can do with the incredible facilities he's been given.  I'm on the bandwagon...

You can call me Hogville's First Official Dana Hugger...  

Who are those guys.  Apparently the only 2 d1 bb coaches in the world are BCG and Self.  At least thats all we hear about on here.

[Droid]

Wilson,

You know the sad thing is that people will still gripe about it and there's no stopping it.  God almighty could come Coach the Razorbacks and still something would be wrong.

[Babbitt]

Wilson,

You know the sad thing is that people will still gripe about it and there's no stopping it.  God almighty could come Coach the Razorbacks and still something would be wrong.

God Almighty was 2d on the list behind BG. He turned down the job, too.

[BallHog1]

Dana Altman didn't hold a gun to Frank Broyles head and demand to be hired at UA.

The decision to hire him was made by the athletic director and approved by the chancellor and the system president. If you don't like it, your gripe is with them, not Altman.

Two weeks ago most everyone was screaming "Fire Heath!" myself included. So we fired a coach who had own 20 games in consecutive seasons and made two trips to the NCAA Tournament.

Then most everyone was screaming, "Let JFB make the hire! No committee!" myself included.

Well, JFB fired Heath and he made the hire, just like most everyone wanted.

He also pursued some big name coaches who weren't interested.

We've already garnered the reputation in the media as a fan base that has, to paraphrase, slipped over the edge and is frothing at the mouth. Don't compound it by calling for Coach Altman to be fired before he signs his first recruit, makes his first Razorback Club meeting, or coaches his first game. That's low class.

Dana Altman is very shortly going to be a member of the Razorback family, and he has my support until he demonstrates that he no longer deserves it by what his Arkansas teams do on the floor or what he does off of it. He should have yours as well.     

Could I add that many have claimed on here that Stan was a "good guy" and a "good coach", just not ready for the challenge at Arkansas but predicted he would be a great one someday. Now we have people taking shots at Altman because he wasn't all that hot at KSU years ago. Could it be that he, like Stan, just needed some years to get where he was going. I don't know either but I'm darn sure willing to be optimistic about the guy and give him a fair chance.

Instant gratification, or the desire for it, is ruining a lot of folk's perspective. Good things come to the patient.

[Droid]

Wilson,

You know the sad thing is that people will still gripe about it and there's no stopping it.  God almighty could come Coach the Razorbacks and still something would be wrong.

God Almighty was 2d on the list behind BG. He turned down the job, too.

OUCH!!!

[BallHog1]

Altman will be just like Nutt come in and win with Heath's team then after than what?

Then....we'll go ahead a play the next season and see how he does....

[MrsPiggy]

You know, aside from football, Broyles is a pretty good evaluator of coaching talent.  Altman turned down a lot of other programs, including SEC schools, over the years.  The fact that he's leaving a very good situation in Creighton to come here says something.  Altman doesn't know who his boss will be, the previous coach was fired after back to back tourny appearances...and who knows what he's heard about football.  Let's not make him regret that decision before he even steps foot on campus.  Winning cures all, right?

[justonefan]

Creighton, which hasn't won a tournament game since a
first-round upset over Florida in 2002, won't have played a game in
nearly two weeks when they finally tip off against Nevada.

Which they lost.  Sound familiar?

[WilsonHog]

Could I add that many have claimed on here that Stan was a "good guy" and a "good coach", just not ready for the challenge at Arkansas but predicted he would be a great one someday. Now we have people taking shots at Altman because he wasn't all that hot at KSU years ago. Could it be that he, like Stan, just needed some years to get where he was going. I don't know either but I'm darn sure willing to be optimistic about the guy and give him a fair chance.

That is an outstanding point.

[Anon2]

How about deleting negative posts/threads and on the second, delete the poster.

[justonefan]

I'm all for giving Altman a chance.  I was for giving Heath another year.  But if this is their idea of a GS,... I just don't know what to say

[Lokirain]

How about deleting negative posts/threads and on the second, delete the poster.

How about stiffling all speech? We can just end this board altogether if you'd like.

[Joe]

 :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: I agree with the stoppage of the Fire Altman posts, but, his hire is a joke. We should of kept Heath if this is all we were going to get. Apparantly, being mediocre is plenty good enough for alot of Razorback fans. My opinion is that mediocre is where we will stay with Altman. Great hire if being mediocre is what you want for your money.
     WHAT A JOKE!!!
     Did I mention Fire  Houston Nutt?!  :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[Joe]

So this is what we've been waiting for? A subpar coach from a questionable program. I didn't think Stan was great, but he is better than his successor at least. Arkansas Ball... are you ready for Mediocrity?

:razorback: :razorback: :razorback: Well said! What is there to get ready for, though? We have been at mediocrity for about 7 seasons in basketball. It looks like it is here to stay.
     Did I mention Fire  Houston Nutt?!  :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[LL COOL HOG]

As of know I don't agree with the hire because on paper it seems like we just hired Heath again.  But I must admit we have to give him a chance.

[razorback903]

I'm just glad we snatched him up before someone else like Kentucky did.

[1hogfan]

I hope he becomes a "big name" as Coach of our Razorbacks! I will give him a chance to prove the doubters wrong!

[Lokirain]

I'm just glad we snatched him up before someone else like Kentucky did.

LMFAO, you cannot be serious.

[bsee1991]

he could be the next eddie suton???  lets see...is Ron Brewer, Deph , and sidney moncreif graduating from Ark high school and COMING to school here anytime soon???  That is what made eddie Sutton...or do you mean the eddie sutton that almost ruined the kentucky program?


This is the most idiotic hire available.  My K state friendss are lughing at me..."glad to see you got mr mid major".  (you know K state ran this guy off)  13 years at CREIGHTON!!  Who the hell stays 13 years at CREIGHTON??This is a total and complete unmitigated joke!  Fire a mid major guy with 21 wins and all 5 starters returning for this guy.  I dont think Stan heath is a great coach, and I dont think he ever will be.  But, I would take this team next year WITH beverly and ME coaching, and play against it without Beverly and ANYONE else coaching....I WIN...  At least with Stan staying you knew Beverly was going to stay....the only player on the team that played with heart EVERY SINGLE GAME

The point is,  knuckle head Broyles should have had ink on a contract before firing heath...But instead we get another mid major coach....

Broyles has completley lost his mind.  Only eight teams have  more sweet sixteen apperances  than us, only eight more NCAA tourney wins..10th winningest team in the 90s (we were first for the first eight years).and we get a retread from Creighton (that we paid a lot more money than the last guy we had). 

The good news for me today is that I saved a whole bunch of money...because as of today my chekbook is closed...the donations are cutoff!  After the fiasco at the end of the football season and then now this..

[razorback903]

I'm just glad we snatched him up before someone else like Kentucky did.

LMFAO, you cannot be serious.

Of course...I'm not being serious, but I'm not being negative either, and that's what counts.

[hawgsav1]

I agree, how is Fire Altman going to be productive?  Look, I wasn't happy with the hire, I thought there were other coaches who could have been better fits than Altman.  However, I'll cheer just as hard for him at BWA and while watching the Hogs as I would for Nolan, Sutton, or Heath, or ANY Razorback for that matter.  Just make sure Altman gets the Woo Pig Sooie correct this time.

[hogsrmyfav36]

The reality is the majority of the Arkansas fan base is reacting simply because we all know that the 1 change that still needs to happen up on the Hill hasn't and won't happen. 

Our head basketball coach has been fired.  Our AD has been forced to announce his retirement.  1 assistant football coach was run off to Tulsa.  2 of the best players off last years football team were run off.

Yet through all of this, HDN is still standing. 

Unfortunately for Dana Altman, this is the environment he is coming into and that is why people aren't doing backflips over his hiring. 

Razorback fans are just looking for a sign of hope and a reason to get excited about our football and basketball programs.....the future looks cloudy, at best.

If this were true, it's beyond lame.  Rabid fans who assume no responsibility for how their actions are perceived by others aren't any asset to the program's image.  Words like personal accountability, sportsmanship & civility are foreign to some folks.  It's this stuff that has the rest of the country laughing at us.



I want Nutt and Broyles gone too, but this is Dana Altman's day!  Let's leave Nutt, Broyles, and that crap out of it and just demonstrate some hospitality.

Fed up with this -

Pork Out :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

Read the post again.  You obviously didn't get the full gist of what I was saying.  I'm not saying his hiring is a bad thing.  I AM saying that because of the soap opera that has gone on for the past 6 months that he's not going to have the honeymoon that most new coaches have. 

[arkrzrbacks]

  Man there are a  lot of nwe posters on here. Well I am probably one of the biggest negative loud mouths on here concerning Arkansas Athletics (Feels like I have a right to be), but I WILL NOT bad mouth a new coach who has not had a chance to prove anything yet. I wish him the best of luck and hopefully his wins will make Nutt look like a Nutt. Go Hogs and Good Luck Coach Altman.

[blue]

Great post, let's give him a chance, Blah, blah, blah. I don't need anybody to tell me how I should feel or what to think. Fire em all.

[Jayhawg]

#1 I agree with Wilson's post 100%.
#2 IMHO If you "don't need anybody telling you...", then don't be telling the rest of us to"Fire em all".

#3 Go Hogs

Great post, let's give him a chance, Blah, blah, blah. I don't need anybody to tell me how I should feel or what to think. Fire em all.

[cujayfan]

wow.  for a team with a losing conference record and an overall record barely over .500, you guys have big heads.  i suppose dana altman isn't a "big name," but he's an amazing coach.  it's safe to say your fans know nothing about him or his abilities.  he's turned down jobs at illinois, tennessee, georgia, arizona state, miami, penn state and minnesota.  you're very fortunate to have him.  he was very well-paid in omaha, was selling out an arena that seats almost 18,000 fans - with 12,000 season ticket holders.  he was recruiting quality athletes (2 top 150 recruits this year) to a jesuit school of 3,000 undergrad students in OMAHA!  you think it's easy to bring a kid from compton to a catholic school in omaha?  if nothing else, i can tell you this much, you won't have to worry about the character of the athletes he will recruit.  he will command the respect - and earn it - of the players.  he's great at turning average players into great players, and he is great at motivating his teams.  his meeting with the CU team this afternoon was very emotional.  apparently he was in tears.  altman did amazing things in omaha, and he can and will do the same in AR if you give him a chance.  we knew it would happen at some point, and we're truly heartbroken that he's leaving, but it makes it a hundred times worse to see him received with such ill-will.  get some class.

[coach5779]

They should just shut down the entire athletic program for 5 years. 

[wholehog92]

wow.  for a team with a losing conference record and an overall record barely over .500, you guys have big heads.  i suppose dana altman isn't a "big name," but he's an amazing coach.  it's safe to say your fans know nothing about him or his abilities.  he's turned down jobs at illinois, tennessee, georgia, arizona state, miami, penn state and minnesota.  you're very fortunate to have him.  he was very well-paid in omaha, was selling out an arena that seats almost 18,000 fans - with 12,000 season ticket holders.  he was recruiting quality athletes (2 top 150 recruits this year) to a jesuit school of 3,000 undergrad students in OMAHA!  you think it's easy to bring a kid from compton to a catholic school in omaha?  if nothing else, i can tell you this much, you won't have to worry about the character of the athletes he will recruit.  he will command the respect - and earn it - of the players.  he's great at turning average players into great players, and he is great at motivating his teams.  his meeting with the CU team this afternoon was very emotional.  apparently he was in tears.  altman did amazing things in omaha, and he can and will do the same in AR if you give him a chance.  we knew it would happen at some point, and we're truly heartbroken that he's leaving, but it makes it a hundred times worse to see him received with such ill-will.  get some class.

   It's great that you guys enjoyed having coach Altman.  We are one coach removed from being a national powerhouse.  If this doesn't pan out we will be a program that used to be good and needs to be resurrected.  We should be projected to win the SEC west this year with the talent that is/was on campus.  That is what is expected of coach Altman when he arrives, that is a large order for a coach.  We were told to look for a grand slam hire.  We got a coach from what we perceive as a school in a conference from a conference of rent a wins.
   I'm not excited about this hire for those reasons.  However, I haven't and wont make a decision on this coach for four years, just like every other.  Until then, successes and victories will be looked at on an individual nature.  From year four on, the body of work will be evaluated.  The problem this presents is that after four years, the big name coaches will not consider Arkansas and we will be forced to look for a rebuilding coach.  That is the anger from this Arkansas fan.

[KevinVaco]

I'm sure this hire will strike fear in the sec.

[RealHogFan]

Great post Wilson. 

[cujayfan]

FYI - maybe this will make you guys feel better.  creighton is not the crappy mid-major you guys think we are.
creighton was ranked as the 45th greatest college basketball program of all time by street & smith's magazine - ahead of wake forest, miami, lsu, alabama, wisconsin, virginia, pittsburgh, depaul, colorado, texas tech, boston college, usc, tennessee, iowa state, washington, gonzaga, florida, oregon, and more. 

[hogfan47]

FYI - maybe this will make you guys feel better.  creighton is not the crappy mid-major you guys think we are.
creighton was ranked as the 45th greatest college basketball program of all time by street & smith's magazine - ahead of wake forest, miami, lsu, alabama, wisconsin, virginia, pittsburgh, depaul, colorado, texas tech, boston college, usc, tennessee, iowa state, washington, gonzaga, florida, oregon, and more. 

Relax not all here are bashing him.
Those that are could not coach there way out of a wet paper bag .
even if you held one end open for them.

[hoggystyle78]

We should've kept Stan. WE should've known JFB wouldn't spend the $$ to get a big time guy in here. I'll bet UK doesn't settle for a mid-major coach. In time he may turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread, but at this point he's not a grand slam, I'm pissed!

[The real Hogules]

Would it be alright to start a "FIRE CLUSTERFRANK YESTERDAY" post???

[newbombturk]

Let's all be pissed off but lets give this guy a chance.  He coulc be the next Eddie Sutton.

NO WAY.... he prefers scotch rather than vodka.

[ballhog™]

I wanted another coach, but I am going to give this guy a chance to prove he doesn't belong. 

I'm pulling for him.

[hogfan47]

We should've kept Stan. WE should've known JFB wouldn't spend the $$ to get a big time guy in here. I'll bet UK doesn't settle for a mid-major coach. In time he may turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread, but at this point he's not a grand slam, I'm pissed!

ill lay odds KY also has a Ad in place.
Something we dont

[xteri]

Yes, that's fair.

If you have taken a hard look at his past record and feel him to be unfit, that's one argument at this point, as it's all opinion.

I just hope a couple of our stars don't walk away; they might.

[Fatty McGee]

Then most everyone was screaming, "Let JFB make the hire! No committee!" myself included.

Well, JFB fired Heath and he made the hire, just like most everyone wanted.

Many people didn't want a committee, but there was no great demand for Frank to make the hire alone. 

[hawggonnit]

wow.  for a team with a losing conference record and an overall record barely over .500, you guys have big heads.  i suppose dana altman isn't a "big name," but he's an amazing coach.  it's safe to say your fans know nothing about him or his abilities.  he's turned down jobs at illinois, tennessee, georgia, arizona state, miami, penn state and minnesota.  you're very fortunate to have him.  he was very well-paid in omaha, was selling out an arena that seats almost 18,000 fans - with 12,000 season ticket holders.  he was recruiting quality athletes (2 top 150 recruits this year) to a jesuit school of 3,000 undergrad students in OMAHA!  you think it's easy to bring a kid from compton to a catholic school in omaha?  if nothing else, i can tell you this much, you won't have to worry about the character of the athletes he will recruit.  he will command the respect - and earn it - of the players.  he's great at turning average players into great players, and he is great at motivating his teams.  his meeting with the CU team this afternoon was very emotional.  apparently he was in tears.  altman did amazing things in omaha, and he can and will do the same in AR if you give him a chance.  we knew it would happen at some point, and we're truly heartbroken that he's leaving, but it makes it a hundred times worse to see him received with such ill-will.  get some class.

+1000  GHG :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[dmac_iz_kin]

I'll second that thought Wilsonhog. Quit being whiney little babies people. Frank got the best guy that wanted to be here. and I think this guy will be here a long time.

[huntindoc]

While I agree that Coach Altman is not the problem and doesn't deserve to be ridiculed untill he actually does something to merit it, I won't fall lochstep in line and be "happy" about it.  If that makes you feel I'm less of a fan than you, go right ahead and feel that way. I know better.


I don't believe for a moment that Frank got the best coach that wanted to come...just the best one that would come for his price. This is in direct contrast to what the fans deserve and were led to believe. Our incompetent administration (from JFB to JW) is where the blame lies.

I will support Coach Altman and hope that he is wildly successful. However, he has 18 years head coaching experience and there is no way I'm willing to give him the time Coach Heath was given to produce. He needs to win and he needs to do it quickly. If he is the right man for this job he will do just that.

hd

[Bill CHILL]

The reality is the majority of the Arkansas fan base is reacting simply because we all know that the 1 change that still needs to happen up on the Hill hasn't and won't happen. 

Our head basketball coach has been fired.  Our AD has been forced to announce his retirement.  1 assistant football coach was run off to Tulsa.  2 of the best players off last years football team were run off.

Yet through all of this, HDN is still standing. 

Unfortunately for Dana Altman, this is the environment he is coming into and that is why people aren't doing backflips over his hiring. 

Razorback fans are just looking for a sign of hope and a reason to get excited about our football and basketball programs.....the future looks cloudy, at best.

Well, this is exactly why I will be supporting this new coach. Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results. Our head football coach is insane. Times evolve and he stands there with his crayons. Heath is a great guy, but Altman is a welcome change. We needed a little fire and he looks to have it. I mean if you can take that school he was at and make it into a worthy competitor, then you can coach. The talent level increases, but coaching is the same. Gus Malzahn will be back someday! Dana Altman will have a high graduation rate and at least get us into the Sweet 16 on a regular basis. He might even get the fans back in the seats. I'm happy. Now if Nutt will leave, I'll be singin' Zippidy Doo Dahh.