In-Staters we "Passed" on, but with Perfect Hindsight we Should Have Pursued

[TheHogFan]

I have been trying to think about this and I am having difficulty. Who did we not recruit heavily that we should have now that hindsight is 20/20? I know there were some with high ratings, but were there any that did anything significant in college?

Prefably keep it to Nutt era, but if you remember some from the past that will work as well.

Cedric Houston? Nice but not spectacular college career
Slick Shelly? Probably too early to judge but he hasn't done much yet
Stackhouse? This is probably one, but not a huge miss
Kevin Williams? I believe this was bf the Nutt era but I could be wrong. I think he was the last year of Ford
Stephen Green? I think he is actually at Arkansas right now!

I guess my point being that the staff has the track record of evaluating in state talent pretty well. The in staters that we don't recruit hard (Shelly for example), have not typically panned out or we recruited better players instead of them.

Also, wasn't Ziemba and Burns Malzahn's recruits? Why doesn't he get any of the blame for loosing them?

[Tusks]

How about counting the rings that players have who left the state vs. rings they would've got at the UA.

[TheHogFan]

How about counting the rings that players have who left the state vs. rings they would've got at the UA.

That really wasn't the question, bc they could have been bench warmers on NC teams. That doesn't really mean much to me. BUt if you want to list those, I am cool with that too.

[discombobulationist]

It's a little far-fetched to blame Gus for losing two recruits when he's not even here anymore. He left before Ziemba declared for Auburn, and Burns went to Auburn because we had Mitch.

[Jim Harris]

I have been trying to think about this and I am having difficulty. Who did we not recruit heavily that we should have now that hindsight is 20/20? I know there were some with high ratings, but were there any that did anything significant in college?

Prefably keep it to Nutt era, but if you remember some from the past that will work as well.

Cedric Houston? Nice but not spectacular college career
Slick Shelly? Probably too early to judge but he hasn't done much yet
Stackhouse? This is probably one, but not a huge miss
Kevin Williams? I believe this was bf the Nutt era but I could be wrong. I think he was the last year of Ford
Stephen Green? I think he is actually at Arkansas right now!

I guess my point being that the staff has the track record of evaluating in state talent pretty well. The in staters that we don't recruit hard (Shelly for example), have not typically panned out or we recruited better players instead of them.

Also, wasn't Ziemba and Burns Malzahn's recruits? Why doesn't he get any of the blame for loosing them?

I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you implying that we didn't recruit Cedric Houston or Charles Stackhouse heavily, because I can assure that, as much as Nutt can recruit "heavily" he and DNutt did on those players.

[TheHogFan]

DE ANGELO WILLIAMS....instead we got little Dedrick Poole whom Grit fawned over.  I saw them on the same field at the beginning of the year at the Hooten's Classic.  I said at the time D.Williams was one of the best football players I had seen.  Wasn't impressed with D.Poole...too little, nothing special.  No offense to Dedric.

I'm not even close to a football expert much less a recruiting guru. 

One of the worst misses of all time.

That is a good one. If I remember correctly though, didn't we already have Cobbs and had Howard and Poole in the same class. Plus it doesn't really fit my strict criteria bc he was actually committed to the Hogs (which means we recruited him) until signing day, when he switched to Memphis. But he is def one that I wish we had landed. He was magnificent at Memphis.

[TheHogFan]

I have been trying to think about this and I am having difficulty. Who did we not recruit heavily that we should have now that hindsight is 20/20? I know there were some with high ratings, but were there any that did anything significant in college?

Prefably keep it to Nutt era, but if you remember some from the past that will work as well.

Cedric Houston? Nice but not spectacular college career
Slick Shelly? Probably too early to judge but he hasn't done much yet
Stackhouse? This is probably one, but not a huge miss
Kevin Williams? I believe this was bf the Nutt era but I could be wrong. I think he was the last year of Ford
Stephen Green? I think he is actually at Arkansas right now!

I guess my point being that the staff has the track record of evaluating in state talent pretty well. The in staters that we don't recruit hard (Shelly for example), have not typically panned out or we recruited better players instead of them.

Also, wasn't Ziemba and Burns Malzahn's recruits? Why doesn't he get any of the blame for loosing them?

I'm not sure what you are asking. Are you implying that we didn't recruit Cedric Houston or Charles Stackhouse heavily, because I can assure that, as much as Nutt can recruit "heavily" he and DNutt did on those players.

Now that I think about it, we did recruit Houston, but did we recruit Stackhouse. Maybe we did, I just don't remember.

[Babbitt]

Also, wasn't Ziemba and Burns Malzahn's recruits? Why doesn't he get any of the blame for loosing them?
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Thank God for NUTTS. I got em both!!!!!

[TheHogFan]

It's a little far-fetched to blame Gus for losing two recruits when he's not even here anymore. He left before Ziemba declared for Auburn, and Burns went to Auburn because we had Mitch.

Well we all knew Ziemba was Auburn bound for a while. Much before he left. And if Burns went to AU bc of Mitch, then these criticism's of Nutt for losing him are unfounded. Right?

[HoopS]

It's a little far-fetched to blame Gus for losing two recruits when he's not even here anymore. He left before Ziemba declared for Auburn, and Burns went to Auburn because we had Mitch.

Ziemba decided after Gus left.   I'm pretty sure our own recruiting guru's had something to do with Kodi leaving....seems I remember some stupid suggestion by one of them about race issues....   


As far as your question, there are 2 Kevin Williams.   One went to Watson Chapel.  The other was a Fordyce Redbug.   Both went to Oklahoma State.   Both went pro. 

[jodygaston]

I think Ziemba wanted to go where his mom and dad went.  I think he did all the 50/50 stuff so he wouldn't catch grief up until signing day. 

I blame Nutt for losing Burns.  Burns is the prototypical QB for the Nutt system.  Moblie.  Can take a hit if he runs on an option play.  Can throw down-field if we ever go back to the Stoerner days.  And I think he would have liked to come here if the Hill weren't in disfunction mode.

I bet money Green doesn't amount to much.  USC will turn him into a full-back and he won't ever be as valuable as pre-injury Hillis was this year.

[TheHogFan]

"We" did'nt pass on De Angelo. I think he had given his verbal to Arkansas but signed with Memphis State on signing day.

That is what I remember to. We had unbelievable depth at the time at RB, so he went to Memphis. I think it was after Cobbs' awesome freshman season.

[Jim Harris]

DE ANGELO WILLIAMS....instead we got little Dedrick Poole whom Grit fawned over.  I saw them on the same field at the beginning of the year at the Hooten's Classic.  I said at the time D.Williams was one of the best football players I had seen.  Wasn't impressed with D.Poole...too little, nothing special.  No offense to Dedric.

I'm not even close to a football expert much less a recruiting guru. 

One of the worst misses of all time.

That is a good one. If I remember correctly though, didn't we already have Cobbs and had Howard and Poole in the same class. Plus it doesn't really fit my strict criteria bc he was actually committed to the Hogs (which means we recruited him) until signing day, when he switched to Memphis. But he is def one that I wish we had landed. He was magnificent at Memphis.

DeArrius Howard and Cedric Houston were in the same recruiting class; Howard redshirted at UA, Houston never redshirted at UT. Dedrick Poole and DeAngelo Williams were in the same class a year later. Poole committed early to UA.

[TheHogFan]

I think Ziemba wanted to go where his mom and dad went.  I think he did all the 50/50 stuff so he wouldn't catch grief up until signing day. 

I blame Nutt for losing Burns.  Burns is the prototypical QB for the Nutt system.  Moblie.  Can take a hit if he runs on an option play.  Can throw down-field if we ever go back to the Stoerner days.  And I think he would have liked to come here if the Hill weren't in disfunction mode.

I bet money Green doesn't amount to much.  USC will turn him into a full-back and he won't ever be as valuable as pre-injury Hillis was this year.

Green isn't going to USC. I can almost promise you that.

[TheHogFan]

I think Ziemba wanted to go where his mom and dad went.  I think he did all the 50/50 stuff so he wouldn't catch grief up until signing day. 

I blame Nutt for losing Burns.  Burns is the prototypical QB for the Nutt system.  Moblie.  Can take a hit if he runs on an option play.  Can throw down-field if we ever go back to the Stoerner days.  And I think he would have liked to come here if the Hill weren't in disfunction mode.

I bet money Green doesn't amount to much.  USC will turn him into a full-back and he won't ever be as valuable as pre-injury Hillis was this year.

Green will not be going to USC. I can almost promise you that.

[Oliverhogman]

Burns did not go to Auburn because of Mitch.  Burns went to Auburn because they played the "race card" against Arkansas.

If you do not believe that ask Otis or Dudley.

[hogsanity]

DE ANGELO WILLIAMS....instead we got little Dedrick Poole whom Grit fawned over.  I saw them on the same field at the beginning of the year at the Hooten's Classic.  I said at the time D.Williams was one of the best football players I had seen.  Wasn't impressed with D.Poole...too little, nothing special.  No offense to Dedric.

I'm not even close to a football expert much less a recruiting guru. 

One of the worst misses of all time.

That is a good one. If I remember correctly though, didn't we already have Cobbs and had Howard and Poole in the same class. Plus it doesn't really fit my strict criteria bc he was actually committed to the Hogs (which means we recruited him) until signing day, when he switched to Memphis. But he is def one that I wish we had landed. He was magnificent at Memphis.

DeArrius Howard and Cedric Houston were in the same recruiting class. Dedrick Poole and DeAngelo Williams were in the same class a year later. Poole committed early to UA.

Whatever the reason, we let DeAngelo get away...a tragedy.  He was better than any RB we had at the time including Cedric Cobbs or D. Howard.  And he was light years ahead of D.Poole.  The Keystone Kops let him get away.

How can you say they let some get away that told them right up to time to sign the LOI that he was coming here?  What more can you do when a guy tells you for weeks that he is going to be a Hog? 

[TheHogFan]

DE ANGELO WILLIAMS....instead we got little Dedrick Poole whom Grit fawned over.  I saw them on the same field at the beginning of the year at the Hooten's Classic.  I said at the time D.Williams was one of the best football players I had seen.  Wasn't impressed with D.Poole...too little, nothing special.  No offense to Dedric.

I'm not even close to a football expert much less a recruiting guru. 

One of the worst misses of all time.

That is a good one. If I remember correctly though, didn't we already have Cobbs and had Howard and Poole in the same class. Plus it doesn't really fit my strict criteria bc he was actually committed to the Hogs (which means we recruited him) until signing day, when he switched to Memphis. But he is def one that I wish we had landed. He was magnificent at Memphis.

DeArrius Howard and Cedric Houston were in the same recruiting class. Dedrick Poole and DeAngelo Williams were in the same class a year later. Poole committed early to UA.

Whatever the reason, we let DeAngelo get away...a tragedy.  He was better than any RB we had at the time including Cedric Cobbs or D. Howard.  And he was light years ahead of D.Poole.  The Keystone Kops let him get away.

I agree. That was a big miss. But like I said earlier, it is not like we ignored him, or missed on the evaluation of his talent. He was a firm commit until signing day when he shocked the world. I think he wasnted to stay close to his family bc of an illness? I think that was him.

But if he is the only one you got, we can agree that, that is pretty impressive. Right?

[TheHogFan]

Burns did not go to Auburn because of Mitch.  Burns went to Auburn because they played the "race card" against Arkansas.

If you do not believe that ask Otis or Dudley.

I don't remember that part of the saga. I do not believe that they ever said that someone was playing the race card. In fact I remember them saying, that it was nonsense and unfounded, like most everything on the net.

[HoopS]

wasn't Ced Houston a last minute switch?

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Also, wasn't Ziemba and Burns Malzahn's recruits? Why doesn't he get any of the blame for loosing them?

Huh?

[TheHogFan]

wasn't Ced Houston a last minute switch?

I do not think he was. I think he committed during the season

[birdhawg]

DE ANGELO WILLIAMS....instead we got little Dedrick Poole whom Grit fawned over.  I saw them on the same field at the beginning of the year at the Hooten's Classic.  I said at the time D.Williams was one of the best football players I had seen.  Wasn't impressed with D.Poole...too little, nothing special.  No offense to Dedric.

I'm not even close to a football expert much less a recruiting guru. 

One of the worst misses of all time.

We were on that kid hard. I would hardly call that a miss. If you'll remember he's the one that faxed his letter in that said NOT or something to that affect. He wanted to stay close to home and his girlfriend. Why is always HDN fault? Couldn't it ever be the kid? Don't think I'm covering for Houston but good grief.

[HoopS]

wasn't Ced Houston a last minute switch?

I do not think he was. I think he committed during the season

I must be confusing him with Deangelo.  My memories were that Ced Houston switched late and that we never had Deangelo.      I thought I remembered Deangelo mentioning us in an interview and wanting to show us what we missed out on.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong, and maybe I am.  I would like to find out somehow, just out of my own curiousity.

[TheHogFan]

wasn't Ced Houston a last minute switch?

Also, wasn't Ziemba and Burns Malzahn's recruits? Why doesn't he get any of the blame for loosing them?

Huh?

Assistent coaches are assigned recruits based on their connections and experiance. Obviously Malzahn's was NWA, therefore he was directly responsible for their recruitment. Their "specialist" for that area. Shibest handles a lot of Texas, same with Bobby Allen. Rocker is Georgia and Alabama. Vaughn is Florida, specifically the north florida panhandle. Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

[TheHogFan]

wasn't Ced Houston a last minute switch?

I do not think he was. I think he committed during the season

I must be confusing him with Deangelo.  My memories were that Ced Houston switched late and that we never had Deangelo.      I thought I remembered Deangelo mentioning us in an interview and wanting to show us what we missed out on.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong, and maybe I am.  I would like to find out somehow, just out of my own curiousity.

Pretty positive that Williams was a firm commit up to signing day. The reason i remember is that that was the first year I became somewhat obsessed with recruiting.

[HoopS]

wasn't Ced Houston a last minute switch?

I do not think he was. I think he committed during the season

I must be confusing him with Deangelo.  My memories were that Ced Houston switched late and that we never had Deangelo.      I thought I remembered Deangelo mentioning us in an interview and wanting to show us what we missed out on.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong, and maybe I am.  I would like to find out somehow, just out of my own curiousity.

Pretty positive that Williams was a firm commit up to signing day. The reason i remember is that that was the first year I became somewhat obsessed with recruiting.

Seriously, you want to blame Malzahn for Ziemba?  Are you joking on that?

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

[TheHogFan]

wasn't Ced Houston a last minute switch?

I do not think he was. I think he committed during the season

I must be confusing him with Deangelo.  My memories were that Ced Houston switched late and that we never had Deangelo.      I thought I remembered Deangelo mentioning us in an interview and wanting to show us what we missed out on.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong, and maybe I am.  I would like to find out somehow, just out of my own curiousity.

Pretty positive that Williams was a firm commit up to signing day. The reason i remember is that that was the first year I became somewhat obsessed with recruiting.

Seriously, you want to blame Malzahn for Ziemba?  Are you joking on that?

I am not joking at all. Ziemba was in Malzahn's realm of responsibility. He should shoulder SOME of the blame for loosing him. What is ridiculous about that. Recruiting is a team effort from the coaches. While the ultimate resp lies with the head coach, I believe that some of the blame should be placed on the assistens. The kid is down the street from Malzahn and he couldn't get him here? While I believe that his parents being from AU and wanting to get away played bigger roles than anything else, Malzahn should get at least a thirf of the blame NUtt gets. I understand why he doesn't on this board, but in reality he should.

[Albert Einswine]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

He registered 6 days ago and his apparent mission is to run interference and damage control for Nutt.  Looking at his post history suggests that's his intent.

[HoopS]

wasn't Ced Houston a last minute switch?

I do not think he was. I think he committed during the season

I must be confusing him with Deangelo.  My memories were that Ced Houston switched late and that we never had Deangelo.      I thought I remembered Deangelo mentioning us in an interview and wanting to show us what we missed out on.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong, and maybe I am.  I would like to find out somehow, just out of my own curiousity.

Pretty positive that Williams was a firm commit up to signing day. The reason i remember is that that was the first year I became somewhat obsessed with recruiting.

Seriously, you want to blame Malzahn for Ziemba?  Are you joking on that?

I will confess that I do remember now what you are saying.... about him signing "NO!"

I don't know why I was thinking Ced pulled the late switch.

[TheHogFan]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

Nutt being a total idiot is YOUR opinion. How do you know these recruits share your infinite wisdom? You don't. I like Malzahn. I actually like him a lot and hope he coaches here in the future, but showed he was a great recruiter? With who? His own players? Ziemba? Burns? Pinalto? Michael Harris? (Who I love BTW, just using him bc everyone bashes him bc he is only two stars). I think Malzahn is a great coach and will someday be a great recruiter, but do not tell me he did a good job this year.

[woodworth]

I have heard that Ziemba totally ruled us out once Malzahn left: Ziemba really liked GM. I have also heard that Malzahn probably cost us both Burns AND Mallett: Burns didn't want to play for him since Mustain was "his kid" (fair perception or not), and Mallett would have come even though Mustain was here, but Malzahn didn't like him.

On a side note, I saw another thread where HDN and company were blasted for "slowplaying Kodi Burns". The recruitment of Kodi Burns by Arkansas was the opposite of slowplaying, he was the only QB they offered. What an asanine comment.

[TheHogFan]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

He registered 6 days ago and his apparent mission is to run interference and damage control for Nutt.  Looking at his post history suggests that's his intent.

The classic, not enough post defense. How do I know it is a classic? Because I have been a guest on here for over a year. Nice try though. Whenever someone either can't come up with anything to prove you wrong or is too lazy, this is what they write. I have no vested interest in NUtt. I was trying to ask a simple question because I was curious and so far I have gotten nothing besides Williams, who we did recruit! I am more than willing to accept that there were people Nutt wiffed on, but I simply can't remember who they are.

[Albert Einswine]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

He registered 6 days ago and his apparent mission is to run interference and damage control for Nutt.  Looking at his post history suggests that's his intent.

The classic, not enough post defense. How do I know it is a classic? Because I have been a guest on here for over a year. Nice try though. Whenever someone either can't come up with anything to prove you wrong or is too lazy, this is what they write. I have no vested interest in NUtt. I was trying to ask a simple question because I was curious and so far I have gotten nothing besides Williams, who we did recruit! I am more than willing to accept that there were people Nutt wiffed on, but I simply can't remember who they are.

I don't give a rip about your post count.  Looking at the bulk of your posts I see the earmarks of a Nutt apologist.  You're more subtle than most, but it's there.

[TheHogFan]

I have heard that Ziemba totally ruled us out once Malzahn left: Ziemba really liked GM. I have also heard that Malzahn probably cost us both Burns AND Mallett: Burns didn't want to play for him since Mustain was "his kid" (fair perception or not), and Mallett would have come even though Mustain was here, but Malzahn didn't like him.

On a side note, I saw another thread where HDN and company were blasted for "slowplaying Kodi Burns". The recruitment of Kodi Burns by Arkansas was the opposite of slowplaying, he was the only QB they offered. What an asanine comment.

Sounds fair to me. I did hear though that Ziemba was always going to AU, but kept us on his list to avoid the criticism during the year. Cant blame him for that!

[Hogstocking]

C'mon, when will you guys learn.  Everything Springdale is fantastic, and never wrong about anything.   

[HoopS]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

He registered 6 days ago and his apparent mission is to run interference and damage control for Nutt.  Looking at his post history suggests that's his intent.

The classic, not enough post defense. How do I know it is a classic? Because I have been a guest on here for over a year. Nice try though. Whenever someone either can't come up with anything to prove you wrong or is too lazy, this is what they write. I have no vested interest in NUtt. I was trying to ask a simple question because I was curious and so far I have gotten nothing besides Williams, who we did recruit! I am more than willing to accept that there were people Nutt wiffed on, but I simply can't remember who they are.

to the initial question, you said that so far you had only gotten Williams.... did you include the other 2 Williams' in that. 

It's a little far-fetched to blame Gus for losing two recruits when he's not even here anymore. He left before Ziemba declared for Auburn, and Burns went to Auburn because we had Mitch.

Ziemba decided after Gus left.   I'm pretty sure our own recruiting guru's had something to do with Kodi leaving....seems I remember some stupid suggestion by one of them about race issues....   


As far as your question, there are 2 Kevin Williams.   One went to Watson Chapel.  The other was a Fordyce Redbug.   Both went to Oklahoma State.   Both went pro. 

[TheHogFan]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

He registered 6 days ago and his apparent mission is to run interference and damage control for Nutt.  Looking at his post history suggests that's his intent.

The classic, not enough post defense. How do I know it is a classic? Because I have been a guest on here for over a year. Nice try though. Whenever someone either can't come up with anything to prove you wrong or is too lazy, this is what they write. I have no vested interest in NUtt. I was trying to ask a simple question because I was curious and so far I have gotten nothing besides Williams, who we did recruit! I am more than willing to accept that there were people Nutt wiffed on, but I simply can't remember who they are.

I don't give a rip about your post count.  Looking at the bulk of your posts I see the earmarks of a Nutt apologist.  You're more subtle than most, but it's there.

Your right I do not hate the man by any means. But at the same time, if he doesn't produce, I will fully support his firing. Before this year, I said he needed to win at least 8 to prove to me that they were headed in the right direction, they won 10, he gets another year, to convince me again. I am not going to get worked up over the coach. Why does everything have to come down to if your Nutt fan or not. I am a fan of winning and exceeding expectations. We did both this year. If we don't next year, then I will join you in support of his ousting.

Thanks for doing your research on my post history. You really have a lot of time on your hands don't you? hahaha

[TheHogFan]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

He registered 6 days ago and his apparent mission is to run interference and damage control for Nutt.  Looking at his post history suggests that's his intent.

The classic, not enough post defense. How do I know it is a classic? Because I have been a guest on here for over a year. Nice try though. Whenever someone either can't come up with anything to prove you wrong or is too lazy, this is what they write. I have no vested interest in NUtt. I was trying to ask a simple question because I was curious and so far I have gotten nothing besides Williams, who we did recruit! I am more than willing to accept that there were people Nutt wiffed on, but I simply can't remember who they are.

to the initial question, you said that so far you had only gotten Williams.... did you include the other 2 Williams' in that. 

It's a little far-fetched to blame Gus for losing two recruits when he's not even here anymore. He left before Ziemba declared for Auburn, and Burns went to Auburn because we had Mitch.

Ziemba decided after Gus left.   I'm pretty sure our own recruiting guru's had something to do with Kodi leaving....seems I remember some stupid suggestion by one of them about race issues....  


As far as your question, there are 2 Kevin Williams.   One went to Watson Chapel.  The other was a Fordyce Redbug.   Both went to Oklahoma State.   Both went pro. 

I thought those Williams' was from the last year of Ford. If they weren't then yes I need to include tose as well. Especially the DT, he is a freakin pro bowler this year.

[Albert Einswine]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

He registered 6 days ago and his apparent mission is to run interference and damage control for Nutt.  Looking at his post history suggests that's his intent.

The classic, not enough post defense. How do I know it is a classic? Because I have been a guest on here for over a year. Nice try though. Whenever someone either can't come up with anything to prove you wrong or is too lazy, this is what they write. I have no vested interest in NUtt. I was trying to ask a simple question because I was curious and so far I have gotten nothing besides Williams, who we did recruit! I am more than willing to accept that there were people Nutt wiffed on, but I simply can't remember who they are.

I don't give a rip about your post count.  Looking at the bulk of your posts I see the earmarks of a Nutt apologist.  You're more subtle than most, but it's there.

Your right I do not hate the man by any means. But at the same time, if he doesn't produce, I will fully support his firing. Before this year, I said he needed to win at least 8 to prove to me that they were headed in the right direction, they won 10, he gets another year, to convince me again. I am not going to get worked up over the coach. Why does everything have to come down to if your Nutt fan or not. I am a fan of winning and exceeding expectations. We did both this year. If we don't next year, then I will join you in support of his ousting.

Thanks for doing your research on my post history. You really have a lot of time on your hands don't you? hahaha

It doesn't take much time to figure out the newbs that come here bringing the Nutt apologist agenda.

[HoopS]

I would say that the K Williams from Chapel may have been from the Ford era.... the other one is younger and I think in Nutt's era.... 

   

[TheHogFan]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

He registered 6 days ago and his apparent mission is to run interference and damage control for Nutt.  Looking at his post history suggests that's his intent.

The classic, not enough post defense. How do I know it is a classic? Because I have been a guest on here for over a year. Nice try though. Whenever someone either can't come up with anything to prove you wrong or is too lazy, this is what they write. I have no vested interest in NUtt. I was trying to ask a simple question because I was curious and so far I have gotten nothing besides Williams, who we did recruit! I am more than willing to accept that there were people Nutt wiffed on, but I simply can't remember who they are.

I don't give a rip about your post count.  Looking at the bulk of your posts I see the earmarks of a Nutt apologist.  You're more subtle than most, but it's there.

Your right I do not hate the man by any means. But at the same time, if he doesn't produce, I will fully support his firing. Before this year, I said he needed to win at least 8 to prove to me that they were headed in the right direction, they won 10, he gets another year, to convince me again. I am not going to get worked up over the coach. Why does everything have to come down to if your Nutt fan or not. I am a fan of winning and exceeding expectations. We did both this year. If we don't next year, then I will join you in support of his ousting.

Thanks for doing your research on my post history. You really have a lot of time on your hands don't you? hahaha

It doesn't take much time to figure out the newbs that come here bringing the Nutt apologist agenda.

Man, you really don't read the posts do you? I could care less about Nutt. I only care about winning. I set my criteria before the season, he passed MY personal criteria. IF he hadn't then i would have wanted him fired. Are you getting this. It is almost like some of you ahve pre scribed "comebacks" and you just cut and paste without reading. I started this thread with a simple question, that I did not know the answer to. What did I get? A few great replies, which really helped me out, and then a bunch of junk about me loving Nutt (hahahaha that came out funny). I DO NOT CARE WHETHER HE IS THE COACH, AS LONG AS WE WIN. Some of you people make me exhausted, but I still love you don't worry. If it wasn't for people like you, I would actually have to be doing work right now.

[TheHogFan]

I would say that the K Williams from Chapel may have been from the Ford era.... the other one is younger and I think in Nutt's era.... 

  

Ill try to do some checking into this. You may be right.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

Nutt being a total idiot is YOUR opinion. How do you know these recruits share your infinite wisdom? You don't. I like Malzahn. I actually like him a lot and hope he coaches here in the future, but showed he was a great recruiter? With who? His own players? Ziemba? Burns? Pinalto? Michael Harris? (Who I love BTW, just using him bc everyone bashes him bc he is only two stars). I think Malzahn is a great coach and will someday be a great recruiter, but do not tell me he did a good job this year.

I have read some dumb posts tyring to blame Gus on this board but yours takes the cake. 

[Kicking Wing]

I think you guys missed big time on Tyrell Johnson, but so did most everybody.  He had UA roots and is better at safety than most of the guys you have had at that spot over the last 3 years.  Kiper had him as the #3 SS for next year's draft.

[Albert Einswine]

I think you guys missed big time on Tyrell Johnson, but so did most everybody.  He had UA roots and is better at safety than most of the guys you have had at that spot over the last 3 years.  Kiper had him as the #3 SS for next year's draft.

Nutt and the Mafia excel at missing the target.

[grkhog]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

Nutt being a total idiot is YOUR opinion. How do you know these recruits share your infinite wisdom? You don't. I like Malzahn. I actually like him a lot and hope he coaches here in the future, but showed he was a great recruiter? With who? His own players? Ziemba? Burns? Pinalto? Michael Harris? (Who I love BTW, just using him bc everyone bashes him bc he is only two stars). I think Malzahn is a great coach and will someday be a great recruiter, but do not tell me he did a good job this year.

I have read some dumb posts tyring to blame Gus on this board but yours takes the cake. 

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

Nutt being a total idiot is YOUR opinion. How do you know these recruits share your infinite wisdom? You don't. I like Malzahn. I actually like him a lot and hope he coaches here in the future, but showed he was a great recruiter? With who? His own players? Ziemba? Burns? Pinalto? Michael Harris? (Who I love BTW, just using him bc everyone bashes him bc he is only two stars). I think Malzahn is a great coach and will someday be a great recruiter, but do not tell me he did a good job this year.

I have read some dumb posts tyring to blame Gus on this board but yours takes the cake. 

Where is he wrong? You call people's post dumb, yet do nothing to back it up. Everything he said was right. Additionaly if you actually read the post, you would see that he places most of the blame on his parents being from AU and wanting to get out of the state. Remarkable.

[dj shanon "Notshavin" smeya]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

Nutt being a total idiot is YOUR opinion. How do you know these recruits share your infinite wisdom? You don't. I like Malzahn. I actually like him a lot and hope he coaches here in the future, but showed he was a great recruiter? With who? His own players? Ziemba? Burns? Pinalto? Michael Harris? (Who I love BTW, just using him bc everyone bashes him bc he is only two stars). I think Malzahn is a great coach and will someday be a great recruiter, but do not tell me he did a good job this year.

I have read some dumb posts tyring to blame Gus on this board but yours takes the cake. 

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

Nutt being a total idiot is YOUR opinion. How do you know these recruits share your infinite wisdom? You don't. I like Malzahn. I actually like him a lot and hope he coaches here in the future, but showed he was a great recruiter? With who? His own players? Ziemba? Burns? Pinalto? Michael Harris? (Who I love BTW, just using him bc everyone bashes him bc he is only two stars). I think Malzahn is a great coach and will someday be a great recruiter, but do not tell me he did a good job this year.

I have read some dumb posts tyring to blame Gus on this board but yours takes the cake. 

Where is he wrong? You call people's post dumb, yet do nothing to back it up. Everything he said was right. Additionaly if you actually read the post, you would see that he places most of the blame on his parents being from AU and wanting to get out of the state. Remarkable.

Explain to me again how losing Ziemba is Gus fault when he was run out of town before Ziemba made up his mind?

[TheHogFan]

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

Nutt being a total idiot is YOUR opinion. How do you know these recruits share your infinite wisdom? You don't. I like Malzahn. I actually like him a lot and hope he coaches here in the future, but showed he was a great recruiter? With who? His own players? Ziemba? Burns? Pinalto? Michael Harris? (Who I love BTW, just using him bc everyone bashes him bc he is only two stars). I think Malzahn is a great coach and will someday be a great recruiter, but do not tell me he did a good job this year.

I have read some dumb posts tyring to blame Gus on this board but yours takes the cake. 

Of course, there are always exceptions, but each assistent is typically assigned an area. Malzahn's was NWA, why doesn't he get a least a little of the blame?

It wasn't his fault Nutt is a total idiot.  Running him off didn't help our chances with Ziemba.

You're not making much sense, I hope your goal is not to simply flame.  Gus was the most professional coach on that staff and in a short time is showing he's a great recruiter.

Nutt being a total idiot is YOUR opinion. How do you know these recruits share your infinite wisdom? You don't. I like Malzahn. I actually like him a lot and hope he coaches here in the future, but showed he was a great recruiter? With who? His own players? Ziemba? Burns? Pinalto? Michael Harris? (Who I love BTW, just using him bc everyone bashes him bc he is only two stars). I think Malzahn is a great coach and will someday be a great recruiter, but do not tell me he did a good job this year.

I have read some dumb posts tyring to blame Gus on this board but yours takes the cake. 

Where is he wrong? You call people's post dumb, yet do nothing to back it up. Everything he said was right. Additionaly if you actually read the post, you would see that he places most of the blame on his parents being from AU and wanting to get out of the state. Remarkable.

Explain to me again how losing Ziemba is Gus fault when he was run out of town before Ziemba made up his mind?

There we go! Ziemba was gone before Malzahn left. We all knew that. Again, not saying he deserves all the blame, but if the coaches are at fault, wouldn't you agree the man directly responsible for his recruitment should shoulder some of it?