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Title: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: NWAHog479 on March 20, 2017, 08:45:27 am
What are the chances of their being a possible change to the coaching staff?
-Watkins retiring
-Z getting another demotion

Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: lunchbox72703 on March 20, 2017, 08:47:23 am
keep Zimmerman where he is at!!!  This has been one of the most entertaining radio commentary years I have ever remembered!!!  I don't mind the homerism......I love it in fact!!!!  LOL LOL
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Smithian on March 20, 2017, 08:48:33 am
What are the chances of their being a possible change to the coaching staff?
-Watkins retiring
-Z getting another demotion

Any thoughts?
Watkins is only 62. From all reports does pretty well as the Associate Head Coach of the program. Maybe he looks for a low major head job but he is compensated pretty well. Doubt this happens.

What did Zimmerman do to get another demotion? Can't see a reason for this happening.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Pork Twain on March 20, 2017, 08:50:32 am
I am happy with this last class and the next two (looks like we are getting recruiting figured out) and the coaches really brought this team together over the course of the year.  Not sure why we would want to make any changes at this point.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Lanny on March 20, 2017, 08:52:05 am
Watkins doesn't need to leave, Watkins is the main recruiter for the Little Rock players
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: GuvHog on March 20, 2017, 08:59:01 am
I am happy with this last class and the next two (looks like we are getting recruiting figured out) and the coaches really brought this team together over the course of the year.  Not sure why we would want to make any changes at this point.

The 2018 class is still incomplete as Mike needs to sign at least one and preferably 2 big men. Right now, he only has Gafford for the 2018-2019  season unless Gafford goes one and done.

I don't see any staff changes coming either.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: The_Bionic_Pig on March 20, 2017, 08:59:58 am
TJ Cleveland has been the only one I'm aware of actively seeking a D-1 Head Coaching gig.

Todd Day is attaining/polishing  his college coaching resume as he's been wanting to join the staff in Fayetteville since Mike's return in 2011
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: jbhogfan4 on March 20, 2017, 09:12:35 am
TJ Cleveland has been the only one I'm aware of actively seeking a D-1 Head Coaching gig.

Todd Day is attaining/polishing  his college coaching resume as he's been wanting to join the staff in Fayetteville since Mike's return in 2011

Porked Tongue made a comment a little while back stating there were staff changes in the works. Almost made it sound like it was a for sure thing.

I wouldn't mind an assistant who wasn't a previous player of Andersons for fresh new ideas, but at the same time Todd Day could seriously open some doors into Memphis. And that would be huge
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: razoredge178 on March 20, 2017, 09:39:25 am
Z might be entertaining, but he's an embarrassment to that industry. I almost said "his industry" but he's not in radio or media so that would even insult the industry some more.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Hawg Red on March 20, 2017, 09:44:28 am
Over the past year, it has become apparent that Watkins and Thurman are assets to the staff in terms of recruiting. Watkins has been the main recruiter for the Arkansas Hawks players. Cleveland has also been cited by several recruits as their main recruiter (Barford, for example). There has been a lot of discussion over the years about needing change on the coaching staff, but I think these guys are pulling their weight. I would think if there was a staff change (and Porked Tongue did say their would be one), it would be T.J. leaving to become a head coach somewhere. If you were tell me all of our assistants would be back next season, I would have no issue. A lot has been proven by these guys, IMO.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Pork Twain on March 20, 2017, 09:49:03 am
The 2018 class is still incomplete as Mike needs to sign at least one and preferably 2 big men. Right now, he only has Gafford for the 2018-2019  season unless Gafford goes one and done.

I don't see any staff changes coming either.
General question for the audience.  Other than Connor Vanover, do we have any more offers out to bigs?
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: NWAHog479 on March 20, 2017, 10:03:41 am
I would love to get Manny on staff ASAP, guy loves this program and would be able to sell it to these young kids coming in. Todd Day would be nice as well for the Memphis/Penny connect.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Hawg Red on March 20, 2017, 10:09:45 am
I would love to get Manny on staff ASAP, guy loves this program and would be able to sell it to these young kids coming in. Todd Day would be nice as well for the Memphis/Penny connect.

I think Manny would make a great coach. I'd like to see him pursue professional basketball on some level for a few years, though. Just give it a try. They need role players everywhere.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: LRHawg on March 20, 2017, 10:11:04 am
keep Zimmerman where he is at!!!  This has been one of the most entertaining radio commentary years I have ever remembered!!!  I don't mind the homerism......I love it in fact!!!!  LOL LOL

I agree. He hates KY. This is good.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: PonderinHog on March 20, 2017, 10:19:57 am
keep Zimmerman where he is at!!!  This has been one of the most entertaining radio commentary years I have ever remembered!!!  I don't mind the homerism......I love it in fact!!!!  LOL LOL

I agree. He hates KY. This is good.

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Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: King Kong on March 20, 2017, 10:36:27 am
After he say this season ended I would be surprised if there are any changes outside of promotions going elsewhere. Like a TJ Cleveland to Austin Peavy or something like that

http://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/sports/college/apsu/basketball/2017/03/15/who-next-coach-austin-peay-basketball/99215554/
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Hawg Red on March 20, 2017, 10:52:08 am
After he say this season ended I would be surprised if there are any changes outside of promotions going elsewhere. Like a TJ Cleveland to Austin Peavy or something like that

http://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/sports/college/apsu/basketball/2017/03/15/who-next-coach-austin-peay-basketball/99215554/

Their take on T.J.:

Quote
TJ Cleveland, Arkansas assistant

Cleveland is widely considered one of the best young recruiters in the nation (an area the Govs will need to capitalize on in the future) and has a reputation for hard work and as a star on the rise. The former Razorback has been key in Arkansasí backcourt success, which saw the team improve their turnover margin by 200 percent and move from 101st in the nation to 19th in a single season. He was also instrumental in the recruitment and development of Bobby Portis.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: King Kong on March 20, 2017, 11:00:03 am
Their take on T.J.:

Lol, yeah knew he was responsible for every positive thing in our program
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: PonderinHog on March 20, 2017, 11:08:13 am
Here's my over simplified take on TJ.  At some point you have to grow wings and fly from the nest.  I don't think TJ will be considered for the HC position at Arkansas, unless he becomes a head coach somewhere else, first. 

Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Smithian on March 20, 2017, 11:56:26 am
Is there another program in the country as reliant as Arkansas on hiring people with close ties to program? I guess Syracuse and Duke are programs that are big on former players but I can't think of a program more equivalent to Arkansas.

I know end of the day if Cleveland left and a former player replaced him it wouldn't change much but if it were to Watkins leaving I'd be disappointed if he replaced his high major head coaching experience with a former player. I imagine/hope Anderson would try to find more experience. I think Watkins makes $300k. That is a really good assistant money in college basketball. A top recruiter or former head coach could be found for that number.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: GuvHog on March 20, 2017, 12:14:29 pm
General question for the audience.  Other than Connor Vanover, do we have any more offers out to bigs?

As far as I know, the answer is no and that could cause problems for the 2018-2019 team.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Slater on March 20, 2017, 12:32:06 pm
TJ also is pretty tight with Brad Loos (son of Dave) and that will not hurt his chances. His situation slightly different in that he has been with his uncle Mike since he stepped foot on the campus at Arkansas. Following him to UAB, Mizzou and now Fayetteville. They are obviously super close, that's not a knock, just facts. TJ has twin sons that Mike and his family make their own as well. I wonder if TJ left if Zim would not follow him and be his lead assistant at Austin Peay?
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Hollywood870 on March 20, 2017, 12:58:31 pm
Bringing in Corliss or Todd Day would be my vote. Corliss had some great fundamentals down on the block. With what he's learned in the NBA, he would be a slam dunk if we could get him.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Danny J on March 20, 2017, 01:15:52 pm
Is there another program in the country as reliant as Arkansas on hiring people with close ties to program? I guess Syracuse and Duke are programs that are big on former players but I can't think of a program more equivalent to Arkansas.

I know end of the day if Cleveland left and a former player replaced him it wouldn't change much but if it were to Watkins leaving I'd be disappointed if he replaced his high major head coaching experience with a former player. I imagine/hope Anderson would try to find more experience. I think Watkins makes $300k. That is a really good assistant money in college basketball. A top recruiter or former head coach could be found for that number.
Notre Dame...Brey has I think 4 former players on staff and I think only 2 are true assistants.

I have no issue bringing back former players. I think it is good for a family culture and everybody is on the same page. There is also the stability factor. I think the family feel is good for trying to sell a 18 year old on your program and maybe to help get a kid away from his closer, home state school.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Razorbackers on March 20, 2017, 01:18:51 pm
What are the chances of their being a possible change to the coaching staff?
-Watkins retiring
-Z getting another demotion

Any thoughts?

I don't think Zim will be getting demoted. He might not be on the radio any more (which would be a shame because he's great) but he's going to stay at UA for a while, maybe forever if he can.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: HF#1 on March 20, 2017, 01:21:17 pm
I don't think Zim will be getting demoted. He might not be on the radio any more (which would be a shame because he's great) but he's going to stay at UA for a while, maybe forever if he can.

Agreed, I think he is the Tim Horton of basketball. Horton's tenure spanned 3 head coaches is what I mean by that. Knowing he is at Auburn and what not.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Hawg Red on March 20, 2017, 01:47:25 pm
Notre Dame...Brey has I think 4 former players on staff and I think only 2 are true assistants.

I have no issue bringing back former players. I think it is good for a family culture and everybody is on the same page. There is also the stability factor. I think the family feel is good for trying to sell a 18 year old on your program and maybe to help get a kid away from his closer, home state school.

As long as they are earning their keep and providing value to the program, I'd love to have the staff be all former players. I think for a while, many were concerned that the staff had gotten "fat and lazy," but I think it's clear now that they've put in a lot of work to get this program turned around. We can see the relationships they've been building now starting to become fruitful.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Danny J on March 20, 2017, 02:05:46 pm
As long as they are earning their keep and providing value to the program, I'd love to have the staff be all former players. I think for a while, many were concerned that the staff had gotten "fat and lazy," but I think it's clear now that they've put in a lot of work to get this program turned around. We can see the relationships they've been building now starting to become fruitful.
We are on the same page
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Letsroll1200 on March 20, 2017, 02:12:59 pm
Watkins doesn't need to leave, Watkins is the main recruiter for the Little Rock players

A lot of people are not aware. He has been the main coach working the central Arkansas kids.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: pork in the whiskers on March 20, 2017, 02:13:35 pm
Z might be entertaining, but he's an embarrassment to that industry. I almost said "his industry" but he's not in radio or media so that would even insult the industry some more.

Zimm is learning on the job and, at least he knows the game. Plus, he is a good guy, affable & engaging in public. And, he didn't call the Heels South Carolina once yesterday that I am aware; however, in the less than a minute I listened to the broadcast (first 30 seconds of game & as I got in the car after game) Suck Barrett did so twice. I am willing to bet, there were more. Bud, Sam,  Paul, and Mike were far better! Hell, so was Dave Woodman and he had no time to prepare, following Bud's tragedy.

Yeah, Zimm is not the issue.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 20, 2017, 04:04:37 pm
I think Watkins might leave for another head coaching opportunity if anything. JMO though...Carry on...
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Porked Tongue on March 20, 2017, 04:22:00 pm
Mayberry is headed to UAPB to be an assistant AD.  One more change still very likely. ;)

As success comes, our assistants have more opportunities. 
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: The_Iceman on March 20, 2017, 04:26:59 pm
I would love to see Corliss on the staff one day. He has NBA connections, has a good personality for recruiting, and can coach interior play.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: 010HogFan on March 20, 2017, 04:32:20 pm
keep Zimmerman where he is at!!!  This has been one of the most entertaining radio commentary years I have ever remembered!!!  I don't mind the homerism......I love it in fact!!!!  LOL LOL

He is a nut. Sounds like a local high school broadcast with him on the air.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Porked Tongue on March 20, 2017, 04:35:03 pm
I would love to see Corliss on the staff one day. He has NBA connections, has a good personality for recruiting, and can coach interior play.
Doesn't appear to be a real possibility.  At least not in the foreseeable future.  His college resume doesn't help him.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Little Lady Back on March 20, 2017, 04:38:37 pm
I would love to see Corliss on the staff one day. He has NBA connections, has a good personality for recruiting, and can coach interior play.

I would too.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: NWAHog479 on March 21, 2017, 08:26:29 am
Mayberry is headed to UAPB to be an assistant AD.  One more change still very likely. ;)

As success comes, our assistants have more opportunities.

Is there any truth to Mayberry going to UAPB?
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Smithian on March 21, 2017, 09:30:37 am
Doesn't appear to be a real possibility.  At least not in the foreseeable future.  His college resume doesn't help him.
That and being an NBA assistant pays better with less recruiting responsibilities than the college game.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 22, 2017, 05:09:08 pm
Is there another program in the country as reliant as Arkansas on hiring people with close ties to program? I guess Syracuse and Duke are programs that are big on former players but I can't think of a program more equivalent to Arkansas.

I know end of the day if Cleveland left and a former player replaced him it wouldn't change much but if it were to Watkins leaving I'd be disappointed if he replaced his high major head coaching experience with a former player. I imagine/hope Anderson would try to find more experience. I think Watkins makes $300k. That is a really good assistant money in college basketball. A top recruiter or former head coach could be found for that number.

Kevin Ollie at UCONN. Kentucky, UCLA

I can't think of many who don't.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: hogfooey on March 22, 2017, 05:49:11 pm
Is there any truth to Mayberry going to UAPB?
Porked knows what he's talking about
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: VBMark on March 22, 2017, 06:19:14 pm
Is there another program in the country as reliant as Arkansas on hiring people with close ties to program? I guess Syracuse and Duke are programs that are big on former players but I can't think of a program more equivalent to Arkansas.

I know end of the day if Cleveland left and a former player replaced him it wouldn't change much but if it were to Watkins leaving I'd be disappointed if he replaced his high major head coaching experience with a former player. I imagine/hope Anderson would try to find more experience. I think Watkins makes $300k. That is a really good assistant money in college basketball. A top recruiter or former head coach could be found for that number.

I don't know...how about some dude named, Roy Williams? Or, we could say...hmm...Georgetown...and, what about Indiana, want to guess who is at the top of their list to be the next Head Hoosier?
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Slater on March 22, 2017, 08:14:40 pm
Is there any truth to Mayberry going to UAPB?

His wife has a new job there
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: BoarnSupremacy on March 22, 2017, 08:42:30 pm
As long as they are earning their keep and providing value to the program, I'd love to have the staff be all former players. I think for a while, many were concerned that the staff had gotten "fat and lazy," but I think it's clear now that they've put in a lot of work to get this program turned around. We can see the relationships they've been building now starting to become fruitful.

Good G!  This entire staff has zero coaching experience at all other than Watkins who lost 70% of his games as head coach.  Even Mizzou has Shields as an assistant.  This whole assistant staff is the worst experienced in the SEC.  Mike gave them a job.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: BoarnSupremacy on March 22, 2017, 08:59:56 pm
Is there another program in the country as reliant as Arkansas on hiring people with close ties to program? I guess Syracuse and Duke are programs that are big on former players but I can't think of a program more equivalent to Arkansas.

I know end of the day if Cleveland left and a former player replaced him it wouldn't change much but if it were to Watkins leaving I'd be disappointed if he replaced his high major head coaching experience with a former player. I imagine/hope Anderson would try to find more experience. I think Watkins makes $300k. That is a really good assistant money in college basketball. A top recruiter or former head coach could be found for that number.


A much much better senior assistant coach can be hired for that.  Watkins has been a loser for years before hooking up with gravy train Mike.   Hope they get rid of him and others.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: lefty08 on March 22, 2017, 09:10:39 pm

A much much better senior assistant coach can be hired for that.  Watkins has been a loser for years before hooking up with gravy train Mike.   Hope they get rid of him and others.

We could start by taking your loser ass out the back and breaking your keyboard over your mullet, but we don't.  We should, but we dont
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: sowmonella on March 22, 2017, 09:37:21 pm
We could start by taking your loser ass out the back and breaking your keyboard over your mullet, but we don't.  We should, but we dont

I wished we could just for once.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Smithian on March 22, 2017, 09:43:24 pm
Kevin Ollie at UCONN. Kentucky, UCLA

I can't think of many who don't.
Good point on Connecticut.  But as far as I can tell Steve Alford and John Calipari have hired staffs with no ties to their schools before they took over the programs.

I don't know...how about some dude named, Roy Williams? Or, we could say...hmm...Georgetown...and, what about Indiana, want to guess who is at the top of their list to be the next Head Hoosier?
Roy Williams for his first years at North Carolina had three assistants who either played under him or coached at Kansas. Two still have Kansas roots, Hubert Davis being the exception. Georgetown has three assistants with no ties to the school until Thompson brought them in.

Notre Dame...Brey has I think 4 former players on staff and I think only 2 are true assistants.

I have no issue bringing back former players. I think it is good for a family culture and everybody is on the same page. There is also the stability factor. I think the family feel is good for trying to sell a 18 year old on your program and maybe to help get a kid away from his closer, home state school.
You're right on Brey, has a couple former players as assistants.

I have no problem hiring people with ties to the program. If I was a head coach I'd like to have a staff with some ties to the program who understand the culture. I'm just saying I wouldn't mind going for someone with fresh relationships. I thought Zimmerman should have been replaced by an outsider with recruiting chops. Mike Anderson has forgotten more about coaching than I'll ever know but I still think if Cleveland or Watkins leaves the smart move would be to go out and see what candidates could bring a fresh take to our program. If the question becomes something like whether Lee Mayberry or Todd Day is more ready to be an assistant I'd be disappointed.

I think the staff does a heck of a job developing players and I like their game day coaching but I still worry about recruiting.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Smithian on March 22, 2017, 09:46:58 pm

A much much better senior assistant coach can be hired for that.  Watkins has been a loser for years before hooking up with gravy train Mike.   Hope they get rid of him and others.
You can be a good assistant even if you lose a head coach. Plenty of top lieutenants around college basketball had bad runs as the head guys. I know you're trolling but couldn't let that stupid comment go.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 22, 2017, 11:00:57 pm
Good point on Connecticut.  But as far as I can tell Steve Alford and John Calipari have hired staffs with no ties to their schools before they took over the programs.

I think the staff does a heck of a job developing players and I like their game day coaching but I still worry about recruiting.

Alford has Tyus Edny on staff.

Calipari has had Tony Delk on staff in the past.

I think that what makes our staff unique is how long the assistants stick around.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Rbill on March 23, 2017, 12:18:03 am
Just out of curiosity, can someone tell me what our assistants do? I mean that question seriously, in case you were wondering. What are each of their responsibilities and specialties?
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: HossHog on March 23, 2017, 01:55:44 am
I do not see a problem with mike hiring people he trusts. I think thT is a big part of it is having people he can trust and people that knows how he wants to play.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: parallaxpig on March 23, 2017, 07:24:00 am
His wife has a new job there

This.......
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: East TN HAWG on March 23, 2017, 07:39:44 am
We need ace recruiters.  Talent takes care of a lot of problems in coaching. 
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Swinesong1 on March 23, 2017, 08:21:41 am
So y'all huddled up and came up with this as the new talking point huh?   Everything else gets checked off so you have to find something else. 
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: factchecker on March 23, 2017, 08:30:19 am
So y'all huddled up and came up with this as the new talking point huh?   Everything else gets checked off so you have to find something else.

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Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: RazorPiggie on March 23, 2017, 08:36:59 am
He is a nut. Sounds like a local high school broadcast with him on the air.

This.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 23, 2017, 09:02:08 am

A much much better senior assistant coach can be hired for that.  Watkins has been a loser for years before hooking up with gravy train Mike.   Hope they get rid of him and others.
I hope hogville gets rid of you and others. See, it works both ways ;D.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 23, 2017, 09:03:10 am
Good G!  This entire staff has zero coaching experience at all other than Watkins who lost 70% of his games as head coach.  Even Mizzou has Shields as an assistant.  This whole assistant staff is the worst experienced in the SEC.  Mike gave them a job.
Mike gave them a job because they know his system and they know what he wants from his coaches and his players. That's a pretty good reason to hire someone if you ask me.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 23, 2017, 09:06:39 am
We need ace recruiters.  Talent takes care of a lot of problems in coaching.
The recruiting has gotten better real fast since Scotty Thurman came on board. Don't know exactly what that means but just saying. He could be that big time recruiter we've been searching for.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Youngsta71701 on March 23, 2017, 09:07:36 am
Just out of curiosity, can someone tell me what our assistants do? I mean that question seriously, in case you were wondering. What are each of their responsibilities and specialties?
I get the question but this isn't football. I'm sure Scotty Thurman is the shooting coach though. Has to be. Right? I would also love for Pat Bradley to go up there and help with that. Although his plate is pretty full these days. Prettiest stroke I've seen at Arkansas.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: DeltaBoy on March 23, 2017, 09:08:42 am
Add Todd Day or Lee Mayberry.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on March 23, 2017, 09:19:08 am
Good G!  This entire staff has zero coaching experience at all other than Watkins who lost 70% of his games as head coach.  Even Mizzou has Shields as an assistant.  This whole assistant staff is the worst experienced in the SEC.  Mike gave them a job.

First, Melvin did not lose 70% of his games as a HC. It was 57%. He was great at Charlotte. Struggled at A&M like other good coaches have (Kermit Davis at Middle Tennessee comes to mind as a good example)

Second, TJ had been an Asst. for 12 year now with multiple HC job interviews with lower level schools despite not being the lead asst.


Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Smithian on March 23, 2017, 09:31:14 am
I think it should said it's tough to evaluate the value of an assistant if you're not in the industry. I know it's a hypocritical thing for me to post after sharing my opinions on the previous page, but it's true. Think of Pelphrey's staffs. I thought outside of Rob Evans that all of them were lucky to have a job like they did at Arkansas. Tom Ostrom is now at Dayton, Bret Nelson is at Marquette, and Isaac Brown is at Wichita State. That's three good programs.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Karma on March 23, 2017, 09:39:59 am
I don't really understand the desire to add Hogs from the past who aren't proven coaches. Players today generally don't know who Todd Day, Lee Mayberry or Corliss Williamson are. Our recruiting won't improve because they're dazzled by their star power. Let's get someone proven to be able to do the job needed, if indeed there will be an opening.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Little Lady Back on March 23, 2017, 09:49:54 am

A much much better senior assistant coach can be hired for that.  Watkins has been a loser for years before hooking up with gravy train Mike.   Hope they get rid of him and others.

We could start by taking your loser ass out the back and breaking your keyboard over your mullet, but we don't.  We should, but we dont

Someone sure needs to!
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: azhog10 on March 23, 2017, 10:28:52 am
Here is our staff's experience.....

Melvin Watkins - 39 years with previous Power 5 Head Coaching experience
TJ Cleaveland - Over 10 years coaching experience all at Power 5 schools
Scotty Thurman - 7 years in the program at Arkansas and first year assistant

Matt Zimmerman - Has been coaching for over 20 years. Was an assistant at UAB, Mizzou, and Arkansas
Jeff Daniels - Again over 20 years coaching experience including close to 10 years as a head coach at a Division II University. Worked with Anderson at UAB, Mizzou, and Arkansas.

I get that everyone wants former head coaches, but there's nothing wrong with career assistant coaches. Also, whomever the next great "Head Coach" is. They started as an assistant somewhere. Every assistant had to get their first gig at some point. As someone who coaches high school basketball I didn't get a lot of jobs I interviewed for because I didn't have Head Coaching experience. Now that I have it, it pretty much gets me an interview whenever I want it. I wish more people would look at people who may not have the head coaching experience because at some point continuing to hire head coaches who didn't succeed multiple times becomes the definition of insanity. I'm not saying Arkansas is that type of school that should take chances on first time head coaches or first time assistants. But at the same time if the fit is right, and you think they have what it takes then go for it.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Hawg Red on March 23, 2017, 10:52:46 am
Good G!  This entire staff has zero coaching experience at all other than Watkins who lost 70% of his games as head coach.  Even Mizzou has Shields as an assistant.  This whole assistant staff is the worst experienced in the SEC.  Mike gave them a job.

Overall record and SEC record (ranked by # SEC wins) during Anderson's staff's tenure at Arkansas:

Kentucky: 184-40, 87-19 (SEC)
Florida: 154-70, 73-33 (SEC)
Arkansas: 128-74, 60-46 (SEC)
Ole Miss: 129-75, 60-46 (SEC)
Georgia: 110-89, 56-50 (SEC)
Vanderbilt: 115-88, 55-51 (SEC)
Alabama: 112-88, 54-53 (SEC)
Tennessee: 110-92, 53-51 (SEC)
Texas A&M: 115-85, 51-57 (SEC)
LSU: 108-86, 49-57 (SEC)
Missouri: 103-96, 42-66 (SEC)
South Carolina: 104-94, 40-66 (SEC)
Mississippi State: 88-105, 34-72 (SEC)
Auburn: 82-109, 30-76 (SEC)

That "worst experienced SEC assistant staff" is tied for the 3rd most SEC wins over the time they've been at Arkansas. Do you think that might qualify as "experience?"
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on March 23, 2017, 11:00:05 am
I don't really understand the desire to add Hogs from the past who aren't proven coaches. Players today generally don't know who Todd Day, Lee Mayberry or Corliss Williamson are. Our recruiting won't improve because they're dazzled by their star power. Let's get someone proven to be able to do the job needed, if indeed there will be an opening.

Do you really think kids aren't impressed if an Asst who went the school they are recruiting that kid too and spend 7+ years in the NBA in addition to going to Final 4's at that school?

You can't be serious
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: RazorPiggie on March 23, 2017, 11:02:40 am
I don't really understand the desire to add Hogs from the past who aren't proven coaches. Players today generally don't know who Todd Day, Lee Mayberry or Corliss Williamson are. Our recruiting won't improve because they're dazzled by their star power. Let's get someone proven to be able to do the job needed, if indeed there will be an opening.

I think Corliss could do that since he has multiple connections in the NBA.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Hawg Red on March 23, 2017, 11:18:18 am
I don't really understand the desire to add Hogs from the past who aren't proven coaches. Players today generally don't know who Todd Day, Lee Mayberry or Corliss Williamson are. Our recruiting won't improve because they're dazzled by their star power. Let's get someone proven to be able to do the job needed, if indeed there will be an opening.

You're clueless if you think players today in Memphis don't know Todd Day.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: NWAHog479 on March 23, 2017, 11:19:32 am
You're clueless if you don't think players today in Memphis don't know Todd Day.

Amen, guy was the assistant on Team Penny with Penny Hardaway, the team that the top players in Memphis WANT to play on...
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: HoopS on March 23, 2017, 11:21:57 am
Overall record and SEC record (ranked by # SEC wins) during Anderson's staff's tenure at Arkansas:

Kentucky: 184-40, 87-19 (SEC)
Florida: 154-70, 73-33 (SEC)
Arkansas: 128-74, 60-46 (SEC)
Ole Miss: 129-75, 60-46 (SEC)
Georgia: 110-89, 56-50 (SEC)
Vanderbilt: 115-88, 55-51 (SEC)
Alabama: 112-88, 54-53 (SEC)
Tennessee: 110-92, 53-51 (SEC)
Texas A&M: 115-85, 51-57 (SEC)
LSU: 108-86, 49-57 (SEC)
Missouri: 103-96, 42-66 (SEC)
South Carolina: 104-94, 40-66 (SEC)
Mississippi State: 88-105, 34-72 (SEC)
Auburn: 82-109, 30-76 (SEC)

That "worst experienced SEC assistant staff" is tied for the 3rd most SEC wins over the time they've been at Arkansas. Do you think that might qualify as "experience?"

I always love these conversations where people who may not know a lick about a sport and certainly doesn't even know the first thing about what each assistant truly brings to the table, thinks they have a better handle on what needs to be done behind the scenes. Where they've never spent a day. But they know. And they also know what the football staff needs to be doing and who the weak links are even though they have never talked to them or witnessed them teaching technique or breaking down film. They just, know. All things sports.

I'm just thankful to get to read all of the free info they share.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: tusked on March 23, 2017, 12:10:54 pm
Overall record and SEC record (ranked by # SEC wins) during Anderson's staff's tenure at Arkansas:

Kentucky: 184-40, 87-19 (SEC)
Florida: 154-70, 73-33 (SEC)
Arkansas: 128-74, 60-46 (SEC)
Ole Miss: 129-75, 60-46 (SEC)
Georgia: 110-89, 56-50 (SEC)
Vanderbilt: 115-88, 55-51 (SEC)
Alabama: 112-88, 54-53 (SEC)
Tennessee: 110-92, 53-51 (SEC)
Texas A&M: 115-85, 51-57 (SEC)
LSU: 108-86, 49-57 (SEC)
Missouri: 103-96, 42-66 (SEC)
South Carolina: 104-94, 40-66 (SEC)
Mississippi State: 88-105, 34-72 (SEC)
Auburn: 82-109, 30-76 (SEC)

That "worst experienced SEC assistant staff" is tied for the 3rd most SEC wins over the time they've been at Arkansas. Do you think that might qualify as "experience?"

Would love to see the Hogs move past FL in the next 3-5 years.  It should be them nipping at the Cats, not FL.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Slater on March 23, 2017, 12:30:15 pm

A much much better senior assistant coach can be hired for that.  Watkins has been a loser for years before hooking up with gravy train Mike.   Hope they get rid of him and others.

You obviously do not follow basketball. Melvin played in the Final 4 and was a very successful coach at Charlotte, granted he did poorly at A&M but so have a lot of other good coaches. Carry on, might want to do some research from time to time though.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: factchecker on March 23, 2017, 04:23:17 pm
Overall record and SEC record (ranked by # SEC wins) during Anderson's staff's tenure at Arkansas:

Kentucky: 184-40, 87-19 (SEC)
Florida: 154-70, 73-33 (SEC)
Arkansas: 128-74, 60-46 (SEC)
Ole Miss: 129-75, 60-46 (SEC)
Georgia: 110-89, 56-50 (SEC)
Vanderbilt: 115-88, 55-51 (SEC)
Alabama: 112-88, 54-53 (SEC)
Tennessee: 110-92, 53-51 (SEC)
Texas A&M: 115-85, 51-57 (SEC)
LSU: 108-86, 49-57 (SEC)
Missouri: 103-96, 42-66 (SEC)
South Carolina: 104-94, 40-66 (SEC)
Mississippi State: 88-105, 34-72 (SEC)
Auburn: 82-109, 30-76 (SEC)

That "worst experienced SEC assistant staff" is tied for the 3rd most SEC wins over the time they've been at Arkansas. Do you think that might qualify as "experience?"

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Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: BoarnSupremacy on March 23, 2017, 05:11:57 pm
I don't really understand the desire to add Hogs from the past who aren't proven coaches. Players today generally don't know who Todd Day, Lee Mayberry or Corliss Williamson are. Our recruiting won't improve because they're dazzled by their star power. Let's get someone proven to be able to do the job needed, if indeed there will be an opening.

This.  TJ may have earned it by now but IMO we have too much inexperience and bad experience on staff.  Being an ex player doesn't make you a coach.  And losing almost 60% of your games (like Watkins did over several years) when your in control does in fact make you a lousy coach at any level or responsibility or school.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: factchecker on March 23, 2017, 05:22:35 pm
Good G!  This entire staff has zero coaching experience at all other than Watkins who lost 70% of his games as head coach.  Even Mizzou has Shields as an assistant.  This whole assistant staff is the worst experienced in the SEC.  Mike gave them a job.

And losing almost 60% of your games (like Watkins did over several years) when your in control does in fact make you a lousy coach at any level or responsibility or school.

Those stats keep changing.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: BoarnSupremacy on March 23, 2017, 05:38:26 pm
Losing over 50% of your games is bad at any level.  I just think Mike could have a better staff that could actually help coach.  I don't think he has that for whatever reason.  I may be wrong but that is my strong perception.  I am proud of the job they did last 10 games.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 23, 2017, 06:33:32 pm
Losing over 50% of your games is bad at any level.  I just think Mike could have a better staff that could actually help coach.  I don't think he has that for whatever reason.  I may be wrong but that is my strong perception.  I am proud of the job they did last 10 games.

You have zero idea of what you are,talking about. This staff has produced better results than a staff made of guys who are at higher profile jobs now.

I think you get your info from this board.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: BoarnSupremacy on March 23, 2017, 06:36:05 pm
Overall record and SEC record (ranked by # SEC wins) during Anderson's staff's tenure at Arkansas:

Kentucky: 184-40, 87-19 (SEC)
Florida: 154-70, 73-33 (SEC)
Arkansas: 128-74, 60-46 (SEC)
Ole Miss: 129-75, 60-46 (SEC)
Georgia: 110-89, 56-50 (SEC)
Vanderbilt: 115-88, 55-51 (SEC)
Alabama: 112-88, 54-53 (SEC)
Tennessee: 110-92, 53-51 (SEC)
Texas A&M: 115-85, 51-57 (SEC)
LSU: 108-86, 49-57 (SEC)
Missouri: 103-96, 42-66 (SEC)
South Carolina: 104-94, 40-66 (SEC)
Mississippi State: 88-105, 34-72 (SEC)
Auburn: 82-109, 30-76 (SEC)

That "worst experienced SEC assistant staff" is tied for the 3rd most SEC wins over the time they've been at Arkansas. Do you think that might qualify as "experience?"


Yes it does qualify.  I am a total hog fan.  I just want hogs to be best they can be.  3rd in the SEC isn't where hogs should be happy.  I should be going to Memphis to see hogs in sweet sixteen this weekend.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: HOGINTENNESSEE on March 23, 2017, 06:39:43 pm

Yes it does qualify.  I am a total hog fan.  I just want hogs to be best they can be.  3rd in the SEC isn't where hogs should be happy.  I should be going to Memphis to see hogs in sweet sixteen this weekend.

Having to Change your statements when the fact don't align with your factless opinion
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on March 23, 2017, 06:52:42 pm
If you are going to post records especially in conference you should address SOS i.e. how many times a season a team plays UK or other top teams.   It makes a difference. 

This staff should probably stay incestuous.  Like thoughts. 
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: BoarnSupremacy on March 23, 2017, 06:54:43 pm
OK.  Be happy with 3rd place in conference.  It was just my opinion.  Michigan and Oregon are playing.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: BoarnSupremacy on March 23, 2017, 06:56:17 pm
If you are going to post records especially in conference you should address SOS i.e. how many times a season a team plays UK or other top teams.   It makes a difference. 

This staff should probably stay incestuous.  Like thoughts.


We will
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: onebadrubi on March 24, 2017, 10:44:22 am
Here is our staff's experience.....

Melvin Watkins - 39 years with previous Power 5 Head Coaching experience
TJ Cleaveland - Over 10 years coaching experience all at Power 5 schools
Scotty Thurman - 7 years in the program at Arkansas and first year assistant

Matt Zimmerman - Has been coaching for over 20 years. Was an assistant at UAB, Mizzou, and Arkansas
Jeff Daniels - Again over 20 years coaching experience including close to 10 years as a head coach at a Division II University. Worked with Anderson at UAB, Mizzou, and Arkansas.

I get that everyone wants former head coaches, but there's nothing wrong with career assistant coaches. Also, whomever the next great "Head Coach" is. They started as an assistant somewhere. Every assistant had to get their first gig at some point. As someone who coaches high school basketball I didn't get a lot of jobs I interviewed for because I didn't have Head Coaching experience. Now that I have it, it pretty much gets me an interview whenever I want it. I wish more people would look at people who may not have the head coaching experience because at some point continuing to hire head coaches who didn't succeed multiple times becomes the definition of insanity. I'm not saying Arkansas is that type of school that should take chances on first time head coaches or first time assistants. But at the same time if the fit is right, and you think they have what it takes then go for it.

You are skewing numbers to slightly fit your agenda.  Cleveland and zimmerman especially need astericks next to their resume line you posted because it's always been under Mike. 

I'm not inserting myself in to this topic except to say that experience under the same person is not always great.  I also am not knocking TJ here either.  I've said it in the past and in other sports, a coach's recruiting abilities are often easy to analyze.  A coaches true ability to coach however are not as easily to analyze, but when you seem a team get better throughout the year, that coach is owed credit.  We saw that this year and this staff is owed credit for that. 
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Karma on March 24, 2017, 10:54:00 am
You're clueless if you think players today in Memphis don't know Todd Day.
Memphis and Day I agree.  But most players today have no idea who Scotty Thurman is. We had a recent article about a recruit that did not know that Thurman hit "the shot."  The average recruit doesn't know who Todd Day or Lee Mayberry is. Most recruits weren't born the last time we were relevant.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: FineAsSwine on March 24, 2017, 11:37:28 am
If you are going to post records especially in conference you should address SOS i.e. how many times a season a team plays UK or other top teams.   It makes a difference. 

This staff should probably stay incestuous.

Boy, you are really working hard to create a negative connotation. Not surprised because I think you have a personal dislike for this staff, and CMA in particular, that colors everything you post.

But, oh well, you may as well bite your tongue and grit your teeth because CMA is going to be here. Might as well try to enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on March 24, 2017, 12:14:52 pm
Boy, you are really working hard to create a negative connotation. Not surprised because I think you have a personal dislike for this staff, and CMA in particular, that colors everything you post.

But, oh well, you may as well bite your tongue and grit your teeth because CMA is going to be here. Might as well try to enjoy the ride.

I'm not the one who views Anderson in a personal way.  I have no dislike for him at all.  I dislike his supporters who view him as personal to them.  Get their feelings hurt when fans are critical.  View criticism of him as having to be personal or racial because he is so nearly perfect instead of viewing him as a coach hired to do a job and very high profile one where criticism comes with it.  Those who believed he was the only answer for the program and tear down other parts of our program's history not connected to him or Nolan.  Those who went to his camps or played pick up games with him or have gotten to meet him or TJ or Zimmerman and think they have some personal connection.  I don't have a personal issue with Anderson at all.  Not many issues with his coaching as he is a good coach.  Good enough.  Recruiting not so much.  Takes what he can get.  But fortunately for him the state and maybe other connections(Smith to ST's family) will provide talent for the upcoming seasons.

My comment about the staff was in relation to we have some unique things we do in terms of things like defensive decision making - or should if we ever get the players to do it - and other m.o.  It would be best for continuity to not bring in outsiders and try to blend in this way of thinking.  Watkins has made it long enough to be indoctrinated. 

Yes he will be here for as long as he wants.  I've posted that many times.  He is a good enough coach and the upcoming incoming talent along with his coaching will bring success.  The other problem I have is it wouldn't matter if it doesn't as he is here for as long as he wants anyway.  Positive is though it does look like success is coming.  I'm enjoying it. 
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: azhog10 on March 24, 2017, 01:20:04 pm
You are skewing numbers to slightly fit your agenda.  Cleveland and zimmerman especially need astericks next to their resume line you posted because it's always been under Mike. 

I'm not inserting myself in to this topic except to say that experience under the same person is not always great.  I also am not knocking TJ here either.  I've said it in the past and in other sports, a coach's recruiting abilities are often easy to analyze.  A coaches true ability to coach however are not as easily to analyze, but when you seem a team get better throughout the year, that coach is owed credit.  We saw that this year and this staff is owed credit for that.
Zimmerman's college experience was all under Anderson but he was a high school basketball coach with a lot of success in small conference Arkansas basketball. That said, it's not uncommon for a few coaches to stay with someone until they finally get their own gig. Some stay with that person their entire career. It doesn't negate their experience as a college assistant at all. The numbers aren't skewed, but yes for TJ and Zimmerman their college experience have come all under Anderson.

Also to note, Zimmerman was a student assistant under Nolan Richardson in the early 90's and TJ obviously played for Nolan. So I guess you could say they have experience under another coach....although that coach happens to be whom Anderson coached under for many years.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: azhog10 on March 24, 2017, 01:21:56 pm
Boy, you are really working hard to create a negative connotation.
He knows no other way.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: hobhog on March 24, 2017, 04:15:54 pm
OT- John Thompson III let go at Georgetown. End of an era there no doubt. Ewing rumored to be considered.......
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on March 24, 2017, 05:29:32 pm
OT- John Thompson III let go at Georgetown. End of an era there no doubt. Ewing rumored to be considered.......

Expected.  JTIII hasn't done much since F4.  After Esherick and JTIII they want another nostalgia hire?
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Letsroll1200 on March 24, 2017, 05:33:13 pm
OT- John Thompson III let go at Georgetown. End of an era there no doubt. Ewing rumored to be considered.......

Bad move
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: BoarnSupremacy on March 24, 2017, 06:13:35 pm
Boy, you are really working hard to create a negative connotation. Not surprised because I think you have a personal dislike for this staff, and CMA in particular, that colors everything you post.

But, oh well, you may as well bite your tongue and grit your teeth because CMA is going to be here. Might as well try to enjoy the ride.

This was the wrong season to bring this stuff up.  2 years ago would have been more appropriate when there was so many newbies.  Somebody on the staff pushed a button 10 games ago and they started playing.  That's great.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: BoarnSupremacy on March 24, 2017, 06:26:53 pm
Zimmerman's college experience was all under Anderson but he was a high school basketball coach with a lot of success in small conference Arkansas basketball. That said, it's not uncommon for a few coaches to stay with someone until they finally get their own gig. Some stay with that person their entire career. It doesn't negate their experience as a college assistant at all. The numbers aren't skewed, but yes for TJ and Zimmerman their college experience have come all under Anderson.

Also to note, Zimmerman was a student assistant under Nolan Richardson in the early 90's and TJ obviously played for Nolan. So I guess you could say they have experience under another coach....although that coach happens to be whom Anderson coached under for many years.


What is Zimmerman's job now?  I'm not sure I get whats going on with him.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Rbill on March 25, 2017, 11:51:46 am
Zimmerman's college experience was all under Anderson but he was a high school basketball coach with a lot of success in small conference Arkansas basketball. That said, it's not uncommon for a few coaches to stay with someone until they finally get their own gig. Some stay with that person their entire career. It doesn't negate their experience as a college assistant at all. The numbers aren't skewed, but yes for TJ and Zimmerman their college experience have come all under Anderson.

Also to note, Zimmerman was a student assistant under Nolan Richardson in the early 90's and TJ obviously played for Nolan. So I guess you could say they have experience under another coach....although that coach happens to be whom Anderson coached under for many years.

You really need to stop while you're ahead. You have to admit your arguments are getting a little funny. The people you are debating are roughly saying some of our coaches didn't/don't earn their jobs because it's like a family and only have experience under Mike. I'm not saying that - that's just what the debate is roughly.  It doesn't help to mention just how far back they go and their ties to Nolan.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Rbill on March 25, 2017, 12:02:44 pm
Seriously I have no side in this debate, but can nobody tell me what our coaches do? That was a serious question. I really want to know this about our team. I realize it's not as defined as football. But #1 I see no reason why it shouldn't be. And #2 They must have defined responsibilities or specialties on the staff. Don't we know them?
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: PonderinHog on March 25, 2017, 12:29:41 pm
Seriously I have no side in this debate, but can nobody tell me what our coaches do? That was a serious question. I really want to know this about our team. I realize it's not as defined as football. But #1 I see no reason why it shouldn't be. And #2 They must have defined responsibilities or specialties on the staff. Don't we know them?
I've heard on here that Watkins coaches the bigs.  Don't you figure Mayberry  coaches guards and Thurman the forwards and shooting drills, etc.  In other words, I have no clue.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: rzrbackramsfan on March 25, 2017, 03:39:55 pm
If you are going to post records especially in conference you should address SOS i.e. how many times a season a team plays UK or other top teams.   It makes a difference. 

This staff should probably stay incestuous.  Like thoughts.

Wow what a joke of an argument.  Going over 6 seasons is more than enough to smooth over and scheduling irregularities.  Also, you're asking for something that can't even be done just so you can save face in this argument.
Title: Re: Coaching Staff Changes
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on March 25, 2017, 04:15:12 pm
Wow what a joke of an argument.  Going over 6 seasons is more than enough to smooth over and scheduling irregularities.  Also, you're asking for something that can't even be done just so you can save face in this argument.

It can be done homer.  In conf SOS is available and conf schedules are certainly available.  Bama and AU played easiest in conf schedules this season.  Hogs 12th in conf schedule.  Uga toughest.  Last season SC played easiest. 14-15 Hogs played easiest.   Unbalanced conf schedules make a difference.  NCAA specifically mentions it in their team evaluations for NCAAT.   

No argument.  Just added context for the numbers.