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Title: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: The_Iceman on March 16, 2017, 11:29:54 am
3 Sweet 16s in 9 seasons.

Wonder who Indiana will land?
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on March 16, 2017, 11:32:37 am
In before the "Bring Back Bobby Knight" crowd chimes in on the IU message boards.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: King Kong on March 16, 2017, 11:35:58 am
In before the "Bring Back Bobby Knight" crowd chimes in on the IU message boards.

That's been going on for years
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: VictoryRedChevy on March 16, 2017, 11:40:35 am
Steve Alford is my guess.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on March 16, 2017, 11:40:53 am
That's been going on for years

Folding chair sales are spiking in Bloomington as I type this.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Rock City Razorback on March 16, 2017, 11:43:24 am
I could see Gregg Marshall leaving for this one. He might just prefer the easy schedule though, who knows.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: hogsanity on March 16, 2017, 11:45:06 am
3 Sweet 16s in 9 seasons.

Wonder who Indiana will land?

sweet 16 once every 3 years, on average, and he gets fired. Making the ncaat once every 3 years brings cries for a raise and extension for others. Think we see which school & fans prioritize a high level of success.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 11:46:12 am
Steve Alford is my guess.

I'd bet a call has already been made to his agent. The Indy Star has a lot of good coaches speculated as possibilities already...............It IS one of the top college basketball jobs, but has the high pressure to go with it.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on March 16, 2017, 11:47:22 am
Norman Dale.


He loves those guys.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 11:47:36 am
I could see Gregg Marshall leaving for this one. He might just prefer the easy schedule though, who knows.

Others have tighter connections to Bloomington or Indiana in general. But it wouldn't surprise me either.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 11:48:36 am
Folding chair sales are spiking in Bloomington as I type this.

Haha! I don't think it was a folding one though was it? They probably have it enshrined in the IU HOF along with a bullwhip.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: passinghog on March 16, 2017, 11:51:45 am
sweet 16 once every 3 years, on average, and he gets fired. Making the ncaat once every 3 years brings cries for a raise and extension for others. Think we see which school & fans prioritize a high level of success.

I see a school that won't tolerate a coach going 166-135 and 71-91 in conference in 9 years. That wouldn't be acceptable at Arkansas either. Luckily we have a coach that's gone 127-73 (60-46) in 6 years. Whatever agenda you have, it can be smacked down. Easily.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 11:52:48 am
Norman Dale.


He loves those guys.

Excellent post of the day candidate!

Best line in the movie "welcome to Indiana basketball".
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: jjdlc on March 16, 2017, 11:55:09 am
sweet 16 once every 3 years, on average, and he gets fired. Making the ncaat once every 3 years brings cries for a raise and extension for others. Think we see which school & fans prioritize a high level of success.

Sometimes you have to learn to walk again before you can run.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Biggus Piggus on March 16, 2017, 11:55:45 am
Why is it I have this feeling that - if Arkansas were making a coaching hire today - Jeff Long's best idea would have been Tom Crean (if not Cuonzo Martin)?

No matter how dissatisfied I've been at times with Razorback basketball since MA was hired, nothing ever makes me feel good about the idea of Long hiring another basketball coach.

Two words ought to disqualify him from ever doing it again: Jimmy Dykes.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 11:55:59 am
I see a school that won't tolerate a coach going 166-135 and 71-91 in conference in 9 years. That wouldn't be acceptable at Arkansas either. Luckily we have a coach that's gone 127-73 (60-46) in 6 years. Whatever agenda you have, it can be smacked down. Easily.

Get back to us when he wins two conference championships and goes to three sweet sixteens in nine years like Crean did.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: passinghog on March 16, 2017, 11:56:13 am
I'd bet a call has already been made to his agent. The Indy Star has a lot of good coaches speculated as possibilities already...............It IS one of the top college basketball jobs, but has the high pressure to go with it.

UCLA is a better job with a better recruiting base and better quality of life. If he didn't have the Ball brothers coming in back to back to back seasons, maybe he'd consider it.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 11:57:30 am
Why is it I have this feeling that - if Arkansas were making a coaching hire today - Jeff Long's best idea would have been Tom Crean (if not Cuonzo Martin)?

No matter how dissatisfied I've been at times with Razorback basketball since MA was hired, nothing ever makes me feel good about the idea of Long hiring another basketball coach.

Two words ought to disqualify him from ever doing it again: Jimmy Dykes.

I can't argue with that.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on March 16, 2017, 11:57:49 am
UCLA is a better job with a better recruiting base and better quality of life. If he didn't have the Ball brothers coming in back to back to back seasons, maybe he'd consider it.

This depends on one's definition of "quality of life."  I guess if you're a Kardashian...
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: passinghog on March 16, 2017, 11:58:30 am
Get back to us when he wins two conference championships and goes to three sweet sixteens in nine years like Crean did.

I'll pass on the 3 straight losing seasons
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: passinghog on March 16, 2017, 11:59:22 am
This depends on one's definition of "quality of life."  I guess if you're a Kardashian...

75 degrees every day with no humidity shuts down your argument
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 12:01:56 pm
UCLA is a better job with a better recruiting base and better quality of life. If he didn't have the Ball brothers coming in back to back to back seasons, maybe he'd consider it.

Not anymore it isn't. You think the "quality of life" is better in LA than Indianapolis? Not me. The ONLY better thing is the weather and there is much more to "quality of life" than weather. IF a coach is only somewhere because of weather then Martin would have never moved from Cal to Mizzou.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Biggus Piggus on March 16, 2017, 12:02:01 pm
75 degrees every day with no humidity shuts down your argument

Not to mention civilization vs. barren wasteland.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 12:03:20 pm
Not to mention civilization vs. barren wasteland.

Except LA is not the poster child for "civilization".
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on March 16, 2017, 12:04:33 pm
Alford wears on people from what I've heard.  Not sure how long he will be at UCLA.  It has been 4 seasons now.  May be time to head out again.

Certainly understand IU making a change.  Makes sense.  They should be in better shape certainly than when they hired Crean.  He took the wrong job at the wrong time.  Too much to dig out of although outside of the Wade led team Crean's resume wasn't spectacular. 
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: PonderinHog on March 16, 2017, 12:05:31 pm
Except LA is not the poster child for "civilization".
And IU isn't in Indianapolis.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on March 16, 2017, 12:07:49 pm
Indiana was a premier job but the cavalcade of guys parading through their since Knight left is a bit uninspiring:  Davis, Sampson, Crean. 

Alford has a losing record in the B10, and before landing the Balls was probably a year away from being let go at UCLA.

Brad Stevens is one to watch as is Hoiberg.  Get a young energetic guy but one that won't crumble under the weight of the IU job.  As far as college coaches go I'd make Marshall the number 1 target.  I think he's got the ego to handle IU. 
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 12:07:50 pm
And IU isn't in Indianapolis.

Good catch. My bad. Meant to say Indiana. Should have said Bloomington. But you helped make my point. Since Bloomington is a prototypical college town it's quality of life is actually better than LA's IMHO.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on March 16, 2017, 12:08:35 pm
Alford wears on people from what I've heard.  Not sure how long he will be at UCLA.  It has been 4 seasons now.  May be time to head out again.

I've heard that too.  Sounds like he's the Jim Harbaugh of the college basketball world.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: 3kgthog on March 16, 2017, 12:09:09 pm
Mizzou should've waited.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: hawginbigd1 on March 16, 2017, 12:09:48 pm
Get back to us when he wins two conference championships and goes to three sweet sixteens in nine years like Crean did.
I could see us getting fairly close to that in the next 3 years
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 12:10:19 pm
I've heard that too.  Sounds like he's the Jim Harbaugh of the college basketball world.

Perhaps but he still isn't in the same league for wearing on people as his former college coach was or several others today.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on March 16, 2017, 12:10:58 pm
Brad Stevens is one to watch as is Hoiberg.

I don't know if he'd leave the NBA now, since he's having success and everybody there raves about his coaching.  But if he did and IU got him, that would be the 5 star hire.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 12:11:05 pm
I could see us getting fairly close to that in the next 3 years

Hope so. I'll take a wait and see approach though.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Biggus Piggus on March 16, 2017, 12:11:23 pm
Except LA is not the poster child for "civilization".

Guess you ain't spent much time around there. Long Beach, Santa Monica, Pasadena, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach...goodness gracious. Plus all the resources of a world-class city.

Indianapolis might be the most boring NFL city, and that's saying a lot. Of course, IU is in Bloomington, which is a whole lotta barren lifelessness away from Indianapolis. Best feature = being a short drive away from the northern terminus of Interstate 69. Any college student worth his salt should own an I-69 sign.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on March 16, 2017, 12:11:32 pm
Mizzou should've waited.

Mizzou gonna Mizzou.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 12:12:36 pm
I don't know if he'd leave the NBA now, since he's having success and everybody there raves about his coaching.  But if he did and IU got him, that would be the 5 star hire.

Indy Star also had Billy Donovan's name listed.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on March 16, 2017, 12:13:50 pm
Indy Star also had Billy Donovan's name listed.

That is who I expect to be back and at one of the marquee programs.  But I'm guessing Kentucky after Cal. 

Hoping Stevens follows Coach K. 
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 12:14:19 pm
Guess you ain't spent much time around there. Long Beach, Santa Monica, Pasadena, Huntington Beach, Newport Beach...goodness gracious. Plus all the resources of a world-class city.

Indianapolis might be the most boring NFL city, and that's saying a lot. Of course, IU is in Bloomington, which is a whole lotta barren lifelessness away from Indianapolis. Best feature = being a short drive away from the northern terminus of Interstate 69. Any college student worth his salt should own an I-69 sign.

Spent a lot of time out there. My son lived in Santa Monica only three blocks from the pier and also El Segundo for several years before moving to San Jose. The best thing about California is the abundance of good wine at a reasonable price. Didn't say Indy was a highlight reel for things to do. Also Kansas City or Minneapolis would give it a run for it's money on the boring list.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: hogsanity on March 16, 2017, 12:21:31 pm
The question with Marshall is how long is he going to put up with having to win 30 games just to barely get into the ncaat as 10 seed.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on March 16, 2017, 12:23:48 pm
The question with Marshall is how long is he going to put up with having to win 30 games just to barely get into the ncaat as 10 seed.

The MVC isn't quite what it was.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: passinghog on March 16, 2017, 12:25:05 pm
IU just isn't the premier job that it once was. Bob Knight played a strong part in making IU what it was. Southern California has a better recruiting base, not to mention on the hierarchy, UCLA is still a top 5 basketball job. IU just isn't
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 12:38:53 pm
IU just isn't the premier job that it once was. Bob Knight played a strong part in making IU what it was. Southern California has a better recruiting base, not to mention on the hierarchy, UCLA is still a top 5 basketball job. IU just isn't

There are more than five top jobs and IU is one of them. I agree some top jobs are not what they once were and some have moved up that weren't there in the past. Yes Knight played a part but they had won two titles before he got there. I agree that UCLA is located in a bigger recruiting market but that isn't as important with the proliferation of games on TV OR with the one and done's of today. ONE coach made UCLA what it is as far as basketball is concerned. Only one other coach there won a title and that was against the Hogs! He also got them and another team in the SEC in trouble with the NCAA. He's not even the the second highest winning coach at UCLA now. That distinction belongs to another current SEC coach Ben Howland. Also it is important to note that a large number of John Wooden's teams had their best players NOT from the LA area high schools. Ironic also that UCLA's best coach and one mentioned as the best ever in mens college basketball was from Indiana and played college ball in Indiana at Purdue. Both UCLA and IU are good top jobs for different reasons, yet just like any coaching job it all depends on who the coach is at the time.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: sickboy on March 16, 2017, 12:40:38 pm
This depends on one's definition of "quality of life."  I guess if you're a Kardashian...

My wife is childhood friends with the older ones (Kim, Courtney and Khloe). From time to time we have to do baby showers, kids birthday parties, random holidays together. I can personally attest that the greatest blight on life in Los Angeles is the Kardashians. Though technically they dwell in Calabasas (a vanilla, soulless, "look how rich I am" community NW of LA) and random clubs scattered throughout Hollywood, West Hollywood and Santa Monica... they're pretty far removed from UCLA basketball. Though with Khloe's track record -- Lonzo Ball might want to watch out.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: HossHog on March 16, 2017, 12:45:48 pm
Indiana was a premier job but the cavalcade of guys parading through their since Knight left is a bit uninspiring:  Davis, Sampson, Crean. 

Alford has a losing record in the B10, and before landing the Balls was probably a year away from being let go at UCLA.

Brad Stevens is one to watch as is Hoiberg.  Get a young energetic guy but one that won't crumble under the weight of the IU job.  As far as college coaches go I'd make Marshall the number 1 target.  I think he's got the ego to handle IU.
Brad Stevens is currently in second place in the East... so that's not happening
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Biggus Piggus on March 16, 2017, 12:48:40 pm
Could be that Indiana's claim to greatness is similar to Arkansas's. Both schools hired coaches who lifted their programs to unprecedented heights + left in anger after their programs no longer were elite. Fans of both schools believe they should return to where they were.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: sickboy on March 16, 2017, 12:49:34 pm
Brad Stevens is currently in second place in the East... so that's not happening

Indiana isn't as attractive as it used to be either.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: LZH on March 16, 2017, 12:51:51 pm
Why is it I have this feeling that - if Arkansas were making a coaching hire today - Jeff Long's best idea would have been Tom Crean (if not Cuonzo Martin)?

No matter how dissatisfied I've been at times with Razorback basketball since MA was hired, nothing ever makes me feel good about the idea of Long hiring another basketball coach.

Two words ought to disqualify him from ever doing it again: Jimmy Dykes.

Troof
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on March 16, 2017, 12:53:31 pm
Could be that Indiana's claim to greatness is similar to Arkansas's. Both schools hired coaches who lifted their programs to unprecedented heights + left in anger after their programs no longer were elite. Fans of both schools believe they should return to where they were.

As much as I love my Hogs, I don't think you can compare Arkansas basketball tradition and Indiana University tradition.  Wish we could, but we can't.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 12:54:17 pm
Could be that Indiana's claim to greatness is similar to Arkansas's. Both schools hired coaches who lifted their programs to unprecedented heights + left in anger after their programs no longer were elite. Fans of both schools believe they should return to where they were.

There is some similarities but Branch McCracken had won two National titles at IU before Knight became their coach. They were already considered as a somewhat elite program when Knight arrived. Arkansas had some success but not quite to that level. I agree with the premise of your post mostly though. Coaches left in anger and fans clamor for and believe they should return to glory. Unfortunately it isn't as easy as some fans think it should be.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: sickboy on March 16, 2017, 12:59:52 pm
Why is it I have this feeling that - if Arkansas were making a coaching hire today - Jeff Long's best idea would have been Tom Crean (if not Cuonzo Martin)?

No matter how dissatisfied I've been at times with Razorback basketball since MA was hired, nothing ever makes me feel good about the idea of Long hiring another basketball coach.

Two words ought to disqualify him from ever doing it again: Jimmy Dykes.

I get where you're coming from... but we're not hiring a basketball coach because he hired a good one. So it's a moot point.

When Indiana hired Tom Crean, he was as pedigreed a coach as you'd find. Hell, he led Marquette to a Final Four and five NCAA tourney appearances. Now he's getting fired.

Hiring coaches isn't a science. And everyone and their mother was excited about Jimmy Dykes being hired. I get why he makes that hire. It's a high profile guy from ESPN who's got ties to the university. It just didn't work out.

For the most part, Long has hired productive coaches who've bettered the programs they took over. You can't get every hire right. It's just not possible.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Biggus Piggus on March 16, 2017, 01:03:20 pm
Indiana won 20+ games in nine of its 17 seasons post-Bobby Knight. Lost 10+ games in 13 of those seasons.

You have to note - to be fair - that Kelvin Sampson was fired in the middle of the 2007-08 season, when the Hoosiers were looking strong. Sampson was fired for major recruiting violations.

That decimated the program that Tom Crean inherited. The only holdovers Crean had on his first IU roster were two walk-ons.

Anyway...

Arkansas won 20+ games in six of its 15 seasons post-Nolan Richardson. Lost 10+ games in all but two of those seasons, and it'll be all but one unless the Razorbacks win the national championship this season.

Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Biggus Piggus on March 16, 2017, 01:05:13 pm
Hiring coaches isn't a science. And everyone and their mother was excited about Jimmy Dykes being hired. I get why he makes that hire. It's a high profile guy from ESPN who's got ties to the university. It just didn't work out.

That is a gross exaggeration. The hire of Dykes was roundly panned in the women's college basketball world. The only place it was praised was among a small set of oblivious fans.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: forrest city joe on March 16, 2017, 01:08:03 pm
sweet 16 once every 3 years, on average, and he gets fired. Making the ncaat once every 3 years brings cries for a raise and extension for others. Think we see which school & fans prioritize a high level of success.
Do you ever the hell stop? why in the hell do the mods let you turn every thread into a why is Mike Anderson not got fired yet thread? it's gotten old.yet they let you post this crap in every thread over and over and over.GOOD GRIEF.ENOUGH!
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: sickboy on March 16, 2017, 01:10:03 pm
That is a gross exaggeration. The hire of Dykes was roundly panned in the women's college basketball world. The only place it was praised was among a small set of oblivious fans.

No, you're totally right. The "everyone and their mother" I was describing is the "small set of oblivious fans" you describe. Those are the women's basketball  fans here on hogville. Nobody here pays attention to women's basketball other than checking the occasional score now and again and being excited because someone they've heard of before got hired to be the coach. Or their friend's daughter is on the team.

In that way -- the Dykes hiring/firing doesn't really matter at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: bkjbearcat on March 16, 2017, 01:10:14 pm
The question with Marshall is how long is he going to put up with having to win 30 games just to barely get into the ncaat as 10 seed.

Good point. If Marshall had that record in a power five conference, hell the Big East or American his team would be a one seed, two at the least. In the Missouri Valley he gets a 10.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: The_Iceman on March 16, 2017, 01:13:48 pm
Brad Stevens is currently in second place in the East... so that's not happening

Plus, he is likely to have a Top 3 pick in the NBA draft next year. He can either use it or trade it to a rebuilding team like chicago for say Jimmy Butler.

Don't think Stevens is going anywhere.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: The_Iceman on March 16, 2017, 01:16:45 pm
That is a gross exaggeration. The hire of Dykes was roundly panned in the women's college basketball world. The only place it was praised was among a small set of oblivious fans.

After his first season, he had Arkansas in the 2nd Round of the NCAA Tournament and was bringing in solid recruits.

Everything was looking good until the true nature of Jimmy Dykes started showing and his program unraveled.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 01:20:23 pm
Do you ever the hell stop? why in the hell do the mods let you turn every thread into a why is Mike Anderson not got fired yet thread? it's gotten old.yet they let you post this crap in every thread over and over and over.GOOD GRIEF.ENOUGH!

Maybe for the same reasons they let you turn every Anderson thread into confessing your love for him and stating he needs to be here for year upon years ........................That has gotten old as well.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: forrest city joe on March 16, 2017, 01:24:26 pm
Maybe for the same reasons they let you turn every Anderson thread into confessing your love for him and stating he needs to be here for year upon years ........................That has gotten old as well.
Do you see me in this thread expressing my love? this thread is about IU firing their coach. not about why we have not fired Mike yet. you haters may as well get over it.you lost.he is not getting fired.so shut the hell up about it.don't need to see his and your whining in every freaking thread.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: LZH on March 16, 2017, 01:27:38 pm
The Jimmy Dykes hire was the most bizarre that I can remember in Razorback Sports. I don't know why Jimmy would want the job, or why JL would seriously consider him for the job. I like Jimmy a lot, by all accounts he is a nice guy. Just don't understand the entire situation.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: PonderinHog on March 16, 2017, 01:32:06 pm
The Jimmy Dykes hire was the most bizarre that I can remember in Razorback Sports. I don't know why Jimmy would want the job, or why JL would seriously consider him for the job. I like Jimmy a lot, by all accounts he is a nice guy. Just don't understand the entire situation.
Sometimes gimmicks work.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/16/21787278_403131104e.jpg)

Sometimes they don't.

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Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 01:34:40 pm
Do you see me in this thread expressing my love? this thread is about IU firing their coach. not about why we have not fired Mike yet. you haters may as well get over it.you lost.he is not getting fired.so shut the hell up about it.don't need to see his and your whining in every freaking thread.

Nor yours.........His post was about excellence and expectations. Nothing wrong with bringing up they appear to have higher expectations that some other programs and yes right now that does include us.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 01:38:20 pm
Sometimes gimmicks work.

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/16/21787278_403131104e.jpg)

Sometimes they don't.

(http://blog.caranddriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/wienermobile-crash1.jpg)

Haha! Good thing they didn't ram my hotel entrance like that when one of them stayed at it one time.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: HogBreath on March 16, 2017, 01:39:21 pm
Do you ever the hell stop? why in the hell do the mods let you turn every thread into a why is Mike Anderson not got fired yet thread? it's gotten old.yet they let you post this crap in every thread over and over and over.GOOD GRIEF.ENOUGH!
Please excuse him Forrest, he just doesn't buy in to the notion of how good we're gonna be next year or the following one.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Captain Morgan on March 16, 2017, 01:42:01 pm
Do you see me in this thread expressing my love? this thread is about IU firing their coach. not about why we have not fired Mike yet. you haters may as well get over it.you lost.he is not getting fired.so shut the hell up about it.don't need to see his and your whining in every freaking thread.

FCJ,
What will be your opinion when Tom Crean goes to LSU in a few days? He has Sweet Sixteen appearances. I expect Indiana to probably get Archie Miller now while Crean will go to LSU  ;)
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: HogBreath on March 16, 2017, 01:43:54 pm
The Jimmy Dykes hire was the most bizarre that I can remember in Razorback Sports. I don't know why Jimmy would want the job, or why JL would seriously consider him for the job. I like Jimmy a lot, by all accounts he is a nice guy. Just don't understand the entire situation.
Yeah, not sure that having Coach Dykes leading the women's team was ever an idea grounded in very much logic. 

But hey, maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: passinghog on March 16, 2017, 01:55:14 pm
There are more than five top jobs and IU is one of them. I agree some top jobs are not what they once were and some have moved up that weren't there in the past. Yes Knight played a part but they had won two titles before he got there. I agree that UCLA is located in a bigger recruiting market but that isn't as important with the proliferation of games on TV OR with the one and done's of today. ONE coach made UCLA what it is as far as basketball is concerned. Only one other coach there won a title and that was against the Hogs! He also got them and another team in the SEC in trouble with the NCAA. Also it is important to note that a large number of John Wooden's teams had their best players NOT from the LA area high schools. Ironic also that UCLA's best coach and one mentioned as the best ever in mens college basketball was from Indiana and played college ball in Indiana at Purdue.

I mentioned the recruiting base because it's still and always will be about getting the best players. In football and basketball, if you don't have to fly out of your home state to get elite players, you have an inherent advantage in getting the best players (legally). The rust belt is a depreciating in population, big time. The closest city to IU with premier basketball talent is Chicago, and players out of that city aren't loyal to any one school, but it's still heavily recruited by the best of the best.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: hawg66 on March 16, 2017, 02:05:37 pm
Do you ever the hell stop? why in the hell do the mods let you turn every thread into a why is Mike Anderson not got fired yet thread? it's gotten old.yet they let you post this crap in every thread over and over and over.GOOD GRIEF.ENOUGH!
+1
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: forrest city joe on March 16, 2017, 02:06:17 pm
FCJ,
What will be your opinion when Tom Crean goes to LSU in a few days? He has Sweet Sixteen appearances. I expect Indiana to probably get Archie Miller now while Crean will go to LSU  ;)
I don't care if he goes to Lsu or not. i love the way Mike has built this program.he has got Arkansas set up to be good for a long time with the recruiting classes he has coming in. i am just going to sit back and enjoy.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Captain Morgan on March 16, 2017, 02:07:46 pm
I don't care if he goes to Lsu or not. i love the way Mike has built this program.he has got Arkansas set up to be good for a long time with the recruiting classes he has coming in. i am just going to sit back and enjoy.

Well you should care. That gives LSU a good coach and a good recruiter.  ;)
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: forrest city joe on March 16, 2017, 02:08:06 pm
Please excuse him Forrest, he just doesn't buy in to the notion of how good we're gonna be next year or the following one.
No he's pissed because Mike Anderson is not getting fired. he may as well let it go.he lost on this one.PERIOD!
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on March 16, 2017, 02:12:55 pm
Well you should care. That gives LSU a good coach and a good recruiter.  ;)

I think sickboy said one of the Kardashian girls is going to take that LSU job.  The chubby one, I think..
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: forrest city joe on March 16, 2017, 02:15:07 pm
Well you should care. That gives LSU a good coach and a good recruiter.  ;)
Lsu is a good program.but Arkansas has proven over the years that we can play with LSU.and that's going back to the days when they had Shaq and Chris Jackson.it will be great to have both Arkansas and Lsu back in basketball.i have said for years that Sec basketball will never be what it was in the 90,s,until Arkansas and Lsu are strong again. not worried at all.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: jesterzzn on March 16, 2017, 02:33:57 pm
Good catch. My bad. Meant to say Indiana. Should have said Bloomington. But you helped make my point. Since Bloomington is a prototypical college town it's quality of life is actually better than LA's IMHO.
Have you ever been to LA?  Have you spent a January day in Indiana?  Serious question.

I'm honestly in shock someone, anyone, is trying to sell me ANYWHERE in Indiana over LA.  As the coach of UCLA he's not hanging out in Compton.  I mean, we're not talking about USC after all, we're talking Westwood.  Livin' in the Hills.

Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: hogsanity on March 16, 2017, 02:40:51 pm
Nor yours.........His post was about excellence and expectations. Nothing wrong with bringing up they appear to have higher expectations that some other programs and yes right now that does include us.

Exactly, there are MANY programs keeping coaches that have done far less than Crean did at IU. For IU, 3 sweet 16's in 9 years is not enough production, for the others, less than that, FAR less in some cases, is just fine and dandy.

For Crean in particular, someone will hire him, and if they get the Crean from a decade ago, or the 1st 5 or 6 yrs at IU, they are getting a really good coach and recruiter.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: jesterzzn on March 16, 2017, 02:44:07 pm

Hiring coaches isn't a science. And everyone and their mother was excited about Jimmy Dykes being hired. I get why he makes that hire. It's a high profile guy from ESPN who's got ties to the university. It just didn't work out.

This is just not even remotely true.  I was excited by the hire.  I know others on this board and around the state were also excited.  But the general consensus everywhere except for ESPN was "Wait, what?" and there was even some backlash from the coaching fraternity.  It would have been like Seton Hall hiring Dick Vitale in the 90's... to coach their women's team.  Well, I guess except for the fact that at least Vitale can say he was a head coach in the NBA.

It was definitely a big PR hire for the University within local circles.  It was also definitely met with considerable skepticism outside those circles.  And now in hindsight, they were definitely correct, and I (we) were definitely wrong.

Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: forrest city joe on March 16, 2017, 02:49:05 pm
Exactly, there are MANY programs keeping coaches that have done far less than Crean did at IU. For IU, 3 sweet 16's in 9 years is not enough production, for the others, less than that, FAR less in some cases, is just fine and dandy.

For Crean in particular, someone will hire him, and if they get the Crean from a decade ago, or the 1st 5 or 6 yrs at IU, they are getting a really good coach and recruiter.
Who cares.we have Mike Anderson and i love it.and that pisses you and the haters off. get use to Mike,because he is not getting fired.you lost.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: HogBreath on March 16, 2017, 02:49:46 pm
No he's pissed because Mike Anderson is not getting fired. he may as well let it go.he lost on this one.PERIOD!
And also major thanks Joe for not making this thread about CMA, like others with an obvious agenda have done.  +100
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: jesterzzn on March 16, 2017, 02:53:10 pm
Oh, and for the record, Indiana made a mistake today.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: MtPorker on March 16, 2017, 03:07:44 pm
Best thing about California is the women, oh lord the women.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: hogsanity on March 16, 2017, 03:10:07 pm
This is just not even remotely true.  I was excited by the hire.  I know others on this board and around the state were also excited.  But the general consensus everywhere except for ESPN was "Wait, what?" and there was even some backlash from the coaching fraternity.  It would have been like Seton Hall hiring Dick Vitale in the 90's... to coach their women's team.  Well, I guess except for the fact that at least Vitale can say he was a head coach in the NBA.

It was definitely a big PR hire for the University within local circles.  It was also definitely met with considerable skepticism outside those circles.  And now in hindsight, they were definitely correct, and I (we) were definitely wrong.



I thought the JD hire was gimmicky, but was low risk as the women's program was pretty down already. If it had worked out, great, if not it generated some buzz the 1st year.

And also major thanks Joe for not making this thread about CMA, like others with an obvious agenda have done.  +100

It is not about any coach, other than Crean, directly, but it does show that some places expect more than others in the way of production. A guy goes to the sweet 16 1/3rd of the time and he gets canned. Alot of schools would build statues of a coach who did that.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Hog Pharm on March 16, 2017, 03:41:46 pm
Why is it I have this feeling that - if Arkansas were making a coaching hire today - Jeff Long's best idea would have been Tom Crean (if not Cuonzo Martin)?

No matter how dissatisfied I've been at times with Razorback basketball since MA was hired, nothing ever makes me feel good about the idea of Long hiring another basketball coach.

Two words ought to disqualify him from ever doing it again: Jimmy Dykes.

You would be mad if we hired Tom Crean if we had an opening? He's a good coach.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 03:46:30 pm
Have you ever been to LA?  Have you spent a January day in Indiana?  Serious question.

I'm honestly in shock someone, anyone, is trying to sell me ANYWHERE in Indiana over LA.  As the coach of UCLA he's not hanging out in Compton.  I mean, we're not talking about USC after all, we're talking Westwood.  Livin' in the Hills.



Yep to both. You are STILL talking about weather primarily. I've worked in Michigan in the middle of winter. I love to go to Colorado, Utah, Montana and even Lake Tahoe  CA/NV and even Canada in the winter to have fun via skiing. There is more to life than consistent mild weather and not everyone likes the rat race not to mention the cost of living. AMD it can get hot sometimes in LA in the summer. If it was all about the weather then Bama and Clemson wouldn't be football powers. It get damn hot in AL and SC in the summer. That's as bad or worse to a lot of people as cold is. I like the weather there in LA but prefer a defined four seasons. I don't like a lot of other things about LA and all these burbs there. Just because you can live in Westwood doesn't mean you still don't have to deal with other things that other people in LA and the area have to deal with. Heck I've visited and known three people that lived in Hawaii for a minimum of two years each and loved the weather, including my wife before I met her. NONE of them have any desire to move back there and live there again.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: factchecker on March 16, 2017, 03:49:16 pm
Alot of schools would build statues of a coach who did that.

And we haven't built one of the coach who won us our only national championship (in basketball).
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: husker71 on March 16, 2017, 03:53:33 pm
IMHO at this moment in time Cuonzo is a much better choice for Missouri basketball than Crean would have been.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 03:54:06 pm
And we haven't built one of the coach who won us our only national championship (in basketball).

Maybe a lawsuit has a little to do with that. Doesn't matter who won the case or not.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: jesterzzn on March 16, 2017, 04:06:23 pm
Yep to both. You are STILL talking about weather. I've worked in Michigan in the middle of winter. I love to go to Colorado or Utah and even Lake Tahoe in the winter to have fun via skiing. There is more to life than consistent mild weather and not everyone likes the rat race not to mention the cost of living. AMD it can get hot sometimes in LA in the summer. If it was all about the weather then Bama and Clemson wouldn't be football powers. It get damn hot in AL and SC in the summer. That's as bad or worse to a lot of people as cold is. I like the weather there in LA. I don't like a lot of other things about it.

Not much Skiing in Indiana...just sayin.  Look, weather isn't the ONLY argument, its just that UCLA is already one of top programs of all time, so unless you are one of the minority of people that just likes hot summers and Siberian winters, why leave UCLA for Indiana? 

I don't buy the lifestyle argument, either.  You're still making the case for what you would want in your lifestyle, which is fine, but the question is why a top coach would leave LA for Indiana.  Not why you might.  Coaches make more than enough to have a very good standard of living, even in places like LA.  Plus, they live in a bubble.  Work, Home, Work, Work, Work, Home, Work, 2 weeks off in the summer, Repeat.

So the only reason the guy leaves is to coach his Alma Mater, and I think he's too young to make that move for that reason.  He's from Indiana, he knows you plow when its time to plow.  UCLA is set up to be damn good for the next 3-4 years at least.  If he leaves that for Indiana, he's taking a risk that would have to be based entirely on sentiment.  I hope he has good friends that advise him against it.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: LR_Matt on March 16, 2017, 04:10:56 pm
As much as I love my Hogs, I don't think you can compare Arkansas basketball tradition and Indiana University tradition.  Wish we could, but we can't.

Correct sir, this isn't even close. Even for a homer.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 04:23:37 pm
This is just not even remotely true.  I was excited by the hire.  I know others on this board and around the state were also excited.  But the general consensus everywhere except for ESPN was "Wait, what?" and there was even some backlash from the coaching fraternity.  It would have been like Seton Hall hiring Dick Vitale in the 90's... to coach their women's team.  Well, I guess except for the fact that at least Vitale can say he was a head coach in the NBA.

It was definitely a big PR hire for the University within local circles.  It was also definitely met with considerable skepticism outside those circles.  And now in hindsight, they were definitely correct, and I (we) were definitely wrong.



I don't like him but Vitale was a successful coach at Detroit. The school not the NBA. He was a flop coaching in the NBA.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Biggus Piggus on March 16, 2017, 04:29:36 pm
You would be mad if we hired Tom Crean if we had an opening? He's a good coach.

You believe he would be capable of taking the Razorbacks to a higher level of performance?
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Athog on March 16, 2017, 04:35:34 pm
sweet 16 once every 3 years, on average, and he gets fired. Making the ncaat once every 3 years brings cries for a raise and extension for others. Think we see which school & fans prioritize a high level of success.

Well let's not compare as equal yet OK?
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 04:44:35 pm
Not much Skiing in Indiana...just sayin.  Look, weather isn't the ONLY argument, its just that UCLA is already one of top programs of all time, so unless you are one of the minority of people that just likes hot summers and Siberian winters, why leave UCLA for Indiana? 

I don't buy the lifestyle argument, either.  You're still making the case for what you would want in your lifestyle, which is fine, but the question is why a top coach would leave LA for Indiana.  Not why you might.  Coaches make more than enough to have a very good standard of living, even in places like LA.  Plus, they live in a bubble.  Work, Home, Work, Work, Work, Home, Work, 2 weeks off in the summer, Repeat.

So the only reason the guy leaves is to coach his Alma Mater, and I think he's too young to make that move for that reason.  He's from Indiana, he knows you plow when its time to plow.  UCLA is set up to be damn good for the next 3-4 years at least.  If he leaves that for Indiana, he's taking a risk that would have to be based entirely on sentiment.  I hope he has good friends that advise him against it.

I'm not disputing the stature of UCLA since Wooden made it what it is. ALL I'm trying to say is for you to think that it is a better job than IU in all situations simply based on location is wrong. You wonder WHY someone might leave what you apparently consider some sort of paradise for some reason. You are asking the wrong question. The question should be not WHY a coach would leave but WHY is it best for a particular coach to leave. MAYBE his good friends did indeed advise him to go for different reasons. Don't forget being a basketball coach in a place like the LA metro area can be a little fish in a big pond. You as well are making an argument for "lifestyle" in some of your postings on the subject. You also brought out money and we both know that a million $ in Bloomington goes a lot farther than in Westwood. Even for millionaires that matters but sometimes other things matter more than $. I've know a few. Maybe the AD there isn't as supportive or the school or the faculty isn't either. Assembly Hall is still a better arena than PP. IU is also a very good academic school just like UCLA. I don't blame ANY coach at any age for wanting to go coach his Alma Mater even if the status of the programs at the time are not equally comparable. NEVER underestimate the power and pull of being able to go "home". I know I moved back home to Arkansas from Virginia where I had a really good job and loved living there. It simply started to change there and it wasn't home. Basketball in the LA area is an afterthought. In Indiana it is like football in the south. It is dang near a religion.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Lulu Hog on March 16, 2017, 04:49:02 pm
What about Crean to LSU?
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: sickboy on March 16, 2017, 04:56:08 pm
This is just not even remotely true.  I was excited by the hire.  I know others on this board and around the state were also excited.  But the general consensus everywhere except for ESPN was "Wait, what?" and there was even some backlash from the coaching fraternity.  It would have been like Seton Hall hiring Dick Vitale in the 90's... to coach their women's team.  Well, I guess except for the fact that at least Vitale can say he was a head coach in the NBA.

It was definitely a big PR hire for the University within local circles.  It was also definitely met with considerable skepticism outside those circles.  And now in hindsight, they were definitely correct, and I (we) were definitely wrong.



You are correct. I qualified my original statement with a response earlier. The "everyone and their mother" I was speaking of was exclusively in regards to Hogville. Especially as sample set of the broader Arkansas fanbase. Not people who actually follow Women's basketball.

So what I should have said was everyone "here" was excited about Dykes.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 16, 2017, 05:02:14 pm
sweet 16 once every 3 years, on average, and he gets fired. Making the ncaat once every 3 years brings cries for a raise and extension for others. Think we see which school & fans prioritize a high level of success.

All I see is maniac hater.

Our team is in the tournament. Give your hate a rest and let us enjoy our season.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: sickboy on March 16, 2017, 05:05:46 pm
Good catch. My bad. Meant to say Indiana. Should have said Bloomington. But you helped make my point. Since Bloomington is a prototypical college town it's quality of life is actually better than LA's IMHO.

Spent plenty of time in both. You're correct that Bloomington more of a prototypical college town. Both places have pluses and minuses, just like any two places being compared.

If you're more of a traditional, home cookin', "small-town" kinda person... then Bloomington is probably for you. If you like the beach, culture, food and night life... Westwood would do you well.

They're both great cities to go to college at. In my opinion, as someone who's pretty well traveled... if you like city life... I'm not sure there's a better place in the country to call home than Westwood. It's Bel Air without the extravagance. And if you want the extravagance, Bel Air's still your neighbor next door.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on March 16, 2017, 05:07:57 pm
Maybe a lawsuit has a little to do with that. Doesn't matter who won the case or not.

A white haired devil might have had something to do with it as well, but he got his statue.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 16, 2017, 05:08:45 pm
Maybe for the same reasons they let you turn every Anderson thread into confessing your love for him and stating he needs to be here for year upon years ........................That has gotten old as well.

Are we in tournament?

At some point common sense has to take over.

As a hog fan, why's it bad to be happy about a 25 win season.

I read all the time on here "don't like the thread don't post in it." Well, don't like the season then how about taking a live and let live approach. Plenty of time to complain in the offseason.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 05:11:17 pm
A white haired devil might have had something to do with it as well, but he got his statue.

He was also a part of the lawsuit. But him having a statue shows how much more importance is really put on football AND as far as I know he never has filed a lawsuit against the school.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: hawginbigd1 on March 16, 2017, 05:16:18 pm
I don't understand all of the trashing Jimmy Dykes hire! It's like everybody thinks Jimmy was just some walk on player turned color analyst that on a lark we decided we would make into a basketball coach. Guy earned the opportunity based on years of coaching experience.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 05:19:46 pm
Spent plenty of time in both. You're correct that Bloomington more of a prototypical college town. Both places have pluses and minuses, just like any two places being compared.

If you're more of a traditional, home cookin', "small-town" kinda person... then Bloomington is probably for you. If you like the beach, culture, food and night life... Westwood would do you well.

They're both great cities to go to college at. In my opinion, as someone who's pretty well traveled... if you like city life... I'm not sure there's a better place in the country to call home than Westwood. It's Bel Air without the extravagance. And if you want the extravagance, Bel Air's still your neighbor next door.

Good post. I'm not a little town or big city kind of guy either way. I like medium sized places which in todays world offers the conveniences of a big city yet still can seem more laid-back, less "fake" or "showing off" as well as less crime, easier to get around and your neighbors actually know you but still don't stick their nose in your business. In California I like the areas outside San Fran, to the north of it in the wine country around Santa Rosa, Paso Robles and Santa Ynez and in the mountains. Of course they each have their own issues just like anywhere. 
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 16, 2017, 05:21:11 pm
He was also a part of the lawsuit. But him having a statue shows how much more importance is really put on football AND as far as i know he never has fired a lawsuit against the school.

Broyles shouldn't have a statue. Darrell Brown

He did do great things and I am thankful for the program he built.

But you should read the account of the first black football player in razorback history. Broyles and his staff literally physically abused this young man to try and make him quit the team.

I don't care about a lawsuit. His abuse of that man because he was black should disqualify him for a statue. Bad enough he has a building named after him.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 05:29:17 pm
Broyles shouldn't have a statue.

He did do great things and I am thankful for the program he built.

But you should read the account of the first black football player in razorback history. Broyles and his staff literally physically abused this young man to try and make him quit the team.

I don't care about a lawsuit. His abuse of that man because he was black should disqualify him for a statue. Bad enough he has a building named after him.

I have read that account. Then a LOT of buildings and statues all over college campuses and the country would have to be renamed, changed or removed. What he did was wrong but he did what a lot of coaches back then did. That's not to excuse what he did and what others did. It was ALL wrong. I'm betting he knows that and is sorry for it. There was actually something about all that happening and was discussed on here before.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 16, 2017, 05:35:20 pm
Are we in tournament?

At some point common sense has to take over.

As a hog fan, why's it bad to be happy about a 25 win season.

I read all the time on here "don't like the thread don't post in it." Well, don't like the season then how about taking a live and let live approach. Plenty of time to complain in the offseason.

I AM taking a live and let live approach. That is kind of the same as a wait and see approach. Let each season happen, let each day happen let each game happen. Le the chips fall where they may. That doesn't mean that all the parameters will be the same for different situations and seasons and days. I like Mike and am very happy for him and the team the way they turned things around late in the season. I wouldn't be shocked if it doesn't reward him with a raise and contract extension. He's probably earned it. That still doesn't mean I believe he is a great coach that will return us to a lot better times.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 16, 2017, 05:58:20 pm
I AM taking a live and let live approach. That is kind of the same as a wait and see approach. Let each season happen, let each day happen let each game happen. Le the chips fall where they may. That doesn't mean that all the parameters will be the same for different situations and seasons and days. I like Mike and am very happy for him and the team the way they turned things around late in the season. I wouldn't be shocked if it doesn't reward him with a raise and contract extension. He's probably earned it. That still doesn't mean I believe he is a great coach that will return us to a lot better times.

I am just asking that you and others not change your minds, just give it a rest through the weekend. Then let her rip all you want.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: ShadowHawg on March 16, 2017, 06:08:04 pm
I have read that account. Then a LOT of buildings and statues all over college campuses and the country would have to be renamed, changed or removed. What he did was wrong but he did what a lot of coaches back then did. That's not to excuse what he did and what others did. It was ALL wrong. I'm betting he knows that and is sorry for it. There was actually something about all that happening and was discussed on here before.

He NEVER apologized, per Darell Brown and he had plenty of opportunities according to Brown.

John Wooden forced the NAIA to become integrated in the late 40's while at Indiana St. Indiana had the largest Ku Klux Klan membership in the history of the U.S. So it was a very bold stance to take.

Brown was only a walk on. He didn't have to travel or even be allowed to dress out at home games. There was zero reason to harass him at all.

His abuse was solely because he was black. That pretty makes Broyles a hate filled coward as a man.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: hogwood on March 16, 2017, 10:52:26 pm
Always thought Crean was overrated.

On another note, perhaps freshman De'Ron Davis (nephew of Clint McDaniel) would be interested in transferring here. 6'10" highly rated kid in 2016. We were in serious consideration at one point. If someone transfers we'd have room for him even if we add Zhaire Smith.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: sickboy on March 16, 2017, 11:09:57 pm
Good post. I'm not a little town or big city kind of guy either way. I like medium sized places which in todays world offers the conveniences of a big city yet still can seem more laid-back, less "fake" or "showing off" as well as less crime, easier to get around and your neighbors actually know you but still don't stick their nose in your business. In California I like the areas outside San Fran, to the north of it in the wine country around Santa Rosa, Paso Robles and Santa Ynez and in the mountains. Of course they each have their own issues just like anywhere. 

You're preaching to the choir here. I'm an Arkansan living in LA, so my heart lies somewhere in between, like you.

And my favorite place on planet Earth is Tomales Bay, north of San Fran. That up there, along with the places you mentioned is God's country to me.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on March 17, 2017, 12:28:23 am
I have read that account. Then a LOT of buildings and statues all over college campuses and the country would have to be renamed, changed or removed. What he did was wrong but he did what a lot of coaches back then did. That's not to excuse what he did and what others did. It was ALL wrong. I'm betting he knows that and is sorry for it. There was actually something about all that happening and was discussed on here before.
Yea, I wonder if Wilson Matthews ever apologized for treating all those players like dogs.
Or if Bear Bryant ever apologized to the 'Junction Boys' of A&M in 1954 in that infamous summer heat training camp. This was back in the day when they didn't even let guys have some water.
Times have changed. Coaches are still tough on players, but they've progressed.
Football is still a hard sport but it's  more enlightened than it used to be.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: ChicoHog on March 17, 2017, 12:32:38 am
UCLA is a better job with a better recruiting base and better quality of life. If he didn't have the Ball brothers coming in back to back to back seasons, maybe he'd consider it.
As much as I loved Steve Alford the player I don't think Steve Alford the coach has been that good. He was mediocre at Iowa, mediocre at New Mexico and now at UCLA he has had really good talent but unless they show up in the tournament I think they actually under achieved this year.  earlier this season I thought they could be National champs but i just don't see it happening.  They barely beat SC in the Pac 12 tournament and then lost to AZ.   Wildcats are good but I think Bruins have just as much talent.  I hope they play well in the tournament for Alford's sake.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: HognitiveDissonance on March 17, 2017, 12:38:49 am
He was also a part of the lawsuit. But him having a statue shows how much more importance is really put on football AND as far as I know he never has filed a lawsuit against the school.
Without Frank Broyles there wouldn't even be much of an athletic department to argue about.
We can discuss whether statues should be built for anyone, but if anyone should have one, it's him.
I'm ok with telling the 'whole story' on JFB. The good is going to far outweigh the bad, not even close.
Yes, he was a meddler and a tough guy to work for and had run-ins with a lot of very good coaches.
Nolan would only be one of a long line of those guys. See: Lou Holtz, Ken Hatfield, Eddie Sutton. They all had major issues working for JFB, and either left or got fired. No reason to single Nolan out from that group, he had the same issues they did.
JFB/John White fired Nolan, but JFB also offered Nolan the job in 1985 and was a trend-setter in many ways. He also made Nolan a very wealthy man. I know Nolan received a large annuity as reward in the early 90s.
Like I say, just tell the whole story.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: ChicoHog on March 17, 2017, 12:39:23 am
Good post. I'm not a little town or big city kind of guy either way. I like medium sized places which in todays world offers the conveniences of a big city yet still can seem more laid-back, less "fake" or "showing off" as well as less crime, easier to get around and your neighbors actually know you but still don't stick their nose in your business. In California I like the areas outside San Fran, to the north of it in the wine country around Santa Rosa, Paso Robles and Santa Ynez and in the mountains. Of course they each have their own issues just like anywhere. 
I lived in Santa Rosa for 5 years in the 80s and really liked it.  Don't need A/C, only an hour from San Fran and 30 miles from ocean.  Unfortunately it just got too biog and too much traffic.  No way I would go back now.  My son went to school in San Luis Obispo for a year and that is a great place to live except very expensive.  I have lived in Chico for over 25 years and love it. Some think it's too hot in  the summer but I don't mind the heat.  100K people and a college town, similar to Fayetteville/Springdale area.  Except Chico st doesn't compare to the Razorbacks!!
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: LZH on March 17, 2017, 05:59:14 am
Will Northwestern's coach be a hot commodity this spring? Yesterday I saw one of their women's teams (softball?, I don't know) in the San Francisco airport of all places...and there were a few "Go Cats" tossed around. Don't know who their men's bball coach is, but he seems pretty popular at the moment.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: WPS007 on March 17, 2017, 06:04:24 am
For starters IU is in Bloomington not Indy. It does have a ski resort about 15 minutes from campus and also surrounded by several lakes. If you have never been there it reminds me a lot of Fayetteville almost same population. To top it off they have a great steakhouse Jankos Little Zagreb and they just updated Assembly Hall and is packed for every game.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Jackrabbit Hog on March 17, 2017, 06:36:31 am
I lived in Santa Rosa for 5 years in the 80s and really liked it.  Don't need A/C, only an hour from San Fran and 30 miles from ocean.  Unfortunately it just got too biog and too much traffic.  No way I would go back now.  My son went to school in San Luis Obispo for a year and that is a great place to live except very expensive.  I have lived in Chico for over 25 years and love it. Some think it's too hot in  the summer but I don't mind the heat.  100K people and a college town, similar to Fayetteville/Springdale area.  Except Chico st doesn't compare to the Razorbacks!!

You live in Chico?  You the Man!

Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: LZH on March 17, 2017, 06:47:37 am
You live in Chico?  You the Man!



Wonder how many will catch that.....
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: lefty08 on March 17, 2017, 06:53:51 am
I thought the JD hire was gimmicky, but was low risk as the women's program was pretty down already. If it had worked out, great, if not it generated some buzz the 1st year.

It is not about any coach, other than Crean, directly, but it does show that some places expect more than others in the way of production. A guy goes to the sweet 16 1/3rd of the time and he gets canned. Alot of schools would build statues of a coach who did that.

The firing was much more about what he did the other 2/3rds of his time in Indiana, that darn wouldn't fly here either, but carry on
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: lefty08 on March 17, 2017, 06:54:56 am
Oh, and I wouldn't live in California if you paid me
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Hollywood_HOGan45 on March 17, 2017, 07:17:44 am
It's been an incredible run of wins and now we are in tournament week.  Yet some fools would still like to bash the coach and bang that agenda drum.

Sad.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 17, 2017, 07:46:15 am
Yea, I wonder if Wilson Matthews ever apologized for treating all those players like dogs.
Or if Bear Bryant ever apologized to the 'Junction Boys' of A&M in 1954 in that infamous summer heat training camp. This was back in the day when they didn't even let guys have some water.
Times have changed. Coaches are still tough on players, but they've progressed.
Football is still a hard sport but it's  more enlightened than it used to be.

Back in those days all walk-ons and scholarship freshmen alike were treated that way. Sure some of it was racism but some of it especially the freshmen scholarship players was simply making it like a boot camp to see who "survived" and were really tough. A LOT of players around the country left teams in those days. Heck they even made a movie about one of those players. Although not black he did survive. It was a  guy named Rudy at ND. I do realize black players had to also fight discrimination as well a lot of times.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 17, 2017, 07:49:48 am
I lived in Santa Rosa for 5 years in the 80s and really liked it.  Don't need A/C, only an hour from San Fran and 30 miles from ocean.  Unfortunately it just got too biog and too much traffic.  No way I would go back now.  My son went to school in San Luis Obispo for a year and that is a great place to live except very expensive.  I have lived in Chico for over 25 years and love it. Some think it's too hot in  the summer but I don't mind the heat.  100K people and a college town, similar to Fayetteville/Springdale area.  Except Chico st doesn't compare to the Razorbacks!!

The manager of the Hilton Garden Inn there a few years ago is a friend of mine. That's where we stay when we go there. My son's house in San Jose doesn't have AC but there are some days in the summer when he needs it! but if i were forced to move to that area it probably would be around Sebastopol or maybe the mountains between Sonoma and Napa if I could afford it. Those mountains are expensive!
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 17, 2017, 07:52:24 am
Wonder how many will catch that.....

I did. It was a good one!
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Bob Slydell on March 17, 2017, 07:53:33 am
Norman Dale.


He loves those guys.

No way he's looking to get back into the college game.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 17, 2017, 07:55:03 am
Oh, and I wouldn't live in California if you paid me

Just like anywhere certain locations are good with me. I'd rather live in some California locations moreso than some in Arkansas or other places around the country.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Inhogswetrust on March 17, 2017, 07:55:53 am
Will Northwestern's coach be a hot commodity this spring? Yesterday I saw one of their women's teams (softball?, I don't know) in the San Francisco airport of all places...and there were a few "Go Cats" tossed around. Don't know who their men's bball coach is, but he seems pretty popular at the moment.

He just might be the next Duke coach.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: lynbug on March 17, 2017, 08:00:44 am
I don't know if he'd leave the NBA now, since he's having success and everybody there raves about his coaching.  But if he did and IU got him, that would be the 5 star hire.
I think Brad Stevens has found a home.......in Boston
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Captain Morgan on March 17, 2017, 08:26:15 am
He just might be the next Duke coach.

Nope, the next Duke coach is Florida coach Mike White. His father is the AD at Duke
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: jbcarol on March 17, 2017, 08:26:07 pm
https://twitter.com/NotJerryTipton/status/842906547839799298
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: ChicoHog on March 17, 2017, 10:17:51 pm
You live in Chico?  You the Man!


Loved that show!  Found a DVD in a budget bin with 5 episodes on it. Jack Albertson was great playing the grumpy old guy ala Walter Matthau.   
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: ChicoHog on March 17, 2017, 10:19:10 pm
Oh, and I wouldn't live in California if you paid me
The politics and cost of living suck but I love the weather! 
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Albert Einswine on March 17, 2017, 11:12:05 pm
And IU isn't in Indianapolis.


Bloomington is a pretty bleak place for a college town. And it's in the middle of nowhere. I was totally underwhelmed every time I was through there over the years.
Title: Re: Indiana fires Tom Crean
Post by: Sow Lancelot on March 17, 2017, 11:18:57 pm
Wonder how many will catch that.....
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