Charlie Strong's hurt feelings

[lechon]

He gave a quick hand shake to Coach B and wouldn't even look at him and no other UT staff member would
shake hands either ??

was this all about the  or did I miss something ??

[bigdaddyhawg]

What kind of mood do you think you'd be in after the embarrassment your team just absorbed?

[31to6]

He gave a quick hand shake to Coach B and wouldn't even look at him and no other UT staff member would
shake hands either ??

was this all about the  or did I miss something ??

He addressed that.

"We just got beaten. What do you expect, we are going to stand there and tell jokes?" (paraphrased)

[Squealers]

Charlie Strong and I have something in common... yesterday we both got colonoscopies.   

[pigture perfect]

Charlie was just in a hurry to get to the locker room to change into his asbestos underwear. He knew the Texas media was about to lite a fire under his  behind. And they did.

[ricepig]

He addressed that.

"We just got beaten. What do you expect, we are going to stand there and tell jokes?" (paraphrased)

Yep, no need to say good luck on the rest of your season.......

[razorbackkid]

All the talking necessary was done on the field and relayed on the scoreboard.  Sometimes it's best to leave well enough alone.

[dhornjr1]

Charlie Strong and I have something in common... yesterday we both got colonoscopies.   

He got his dry.

[jlhogfan]

He gave a quick hand shake to Coach B and wouldn't even look at him and no other UT staff member would
shake hands either ??

was this all about the  or did I miss something ??

What was he supposed to do?

[Matt Burks]

What was he supposed to do?

If I were him I'd leave Texas. There are several NFL teams looking for coaches and I think his style would fit well at say Chicago.

[carolinahogger]

If I were him I'd leave Texas. There are several NFL teams looking for coaches and I think his style would fit well at say Chicago.

Maybe his style is to stay and get the job done in accordance with his contract.  Strong will do fine at Texas. 

He inherited a screwed up program left that way for him by one of the most overrated cfb coaches in the history of the game.

[lechon]

What was he supposed to do?

it just looked as if the whole UT staff was upset about something other that the game

[grayhawg]

it just looked as if the whole UT staff was upset about something other that the game

Really think they were embarrassed more than upset. A month to get ready for the game and had 59 yards total offence, I would be embarrassed.

[DeltaBoy]

Any Longhorn fan who expected Texas to do better this year were crazy or stupid, Mack Brown had turned the team into camp cupcake. It will take 2 more years to turn that mess around.

[hoglady]

it just looked as if the whole UT staff was upset about something other that the game

I think they are upset with a number of the players.
Most likely see a few more kicked to the curb in the near future.
They'll either get their attitude right or they'll have to find somewhere else to play.
If you listened to Strong's press conference he was really upset with the effort and attitude of his team.

[Dropkick]

Strong is trying to change the culture there. I think he is an awesome coach and given time will be hard to beat. JMHO

[RockyMtnHog]

He was getting lip from some of his players that does not sit well with a coach.  I think that he was more upset with the performance of his team than with the Arkansas coaches or players.

[DeltaBoy]

His presser he mentioned lack of effort, not playing hard and failing to buying in to his plans. I expect us to see several other players leave UT.

[Pork Twain]

Reading into this far too much

[gawntrail]

Looked like some players were sassin' the coaches.  Probably quite a bit of house cleaning in the near future.

Strong is a good hire for a lot of reasons.  Some, many of the UT faithful may not be quite up to speed on.  If they let him, he'll get that program back on track.... And more than likely back to national prominence.

[online-with-swine]

He got his dry.

The Texas coaches did look like they where having a hard time walking after the game.  Probably couldn't stand the trip out to midfield.

[The_Bionic_Pig]

Strong is trying to change the culture there. I think he is an awesome coach and given time will be hard to beat. JMHO

You sunshine pumpers just love mediocrity....it's obvious that he's lost this team and the wrong hire was made by Mr. Integrity and furthermore...

Oh wait...

[RollHogTide]

If the "Big Cigars" will leave him alone, Coach Strong will make Texas relevant again - quickly.

[Pathogen]

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[Pathogen]

it just looked as if the whole UT staff was upset about something other that the game

Your face reading ability is correct.  No one on the Texas staff cared about Texas putting up only 59 yards of offense, and the inability to stop our run game despite a month to prepare and ultimately getting rolled 31-7.  It was the upside down hook 'em horns by Bielema (that never happened) that had them in such a bad mood.  Good thread.

[Pig Worshipper]

Charlie didn't get his feelings hurt, he just hates getting routed like any good coach would. I think he's a great guy who will turn that program around if given the time. The young men who buy in will learn a great deal of toughness and persistence from him.

[LJHOG]

If you listened to Strong's press conference he was really upset with the effort and attitude of his team.

Did you see him chew out the DB who gave up the long TD pass and the players reaction?  It wasn't a bad play on the guys part.  If that is how Charlie is gonna "coach" he'll last three years.

[1texashogfan]

Charlie has already learned the art of sore losing the longhorn way. Longhorns are terrible losers and worse winners.

[hogfan10]

That may be the most optimistic estimate I've seen....Strong has his work cut out for him. 

I could see him doing it in year 3. Texas doesn't lack talent, they lack toughness. The Horns have been soft for years, like all the way back to the mid/late 90's.

[BallHog1]

You sunshine pumpers just love mediocrity....it's obvious that he's lost this team and the wrong hire was made by Mr. Integrity and furthermore...

Oh wait...

Thank you for saying this, I was thinking it. Lot of folks could see themselves it they'd just look at the Texas fans and then review their posts.

[Locutus_of_Boar]

Strong is trying to change the culture there. I think he is an awesome coach and given time will be hard to beat. JMHO

Strong's best character strength, his brutal honesty is also sometimes his own worst enemy.

Bielema went through much the same thing a year ago but even after every heartbreaking loss he always kept everyone focused on what they are building to, not focusing on assigning blame for what they were not yet able to be.  His stubborn persistence in focusing on the goal created a positive attitude in first the team and then the fans and even eventually in the media.  By the middle of this year everyone was seeing the progress on the field even when there was little on the scoreboard.  When the turn came everyone accepted it almost as a given.

To quote another well known adopted Texican, Strong needs to start selling the vision thing before things get away from him.

[longpig]

Charlie's responses are very Saban ish, minus the condescension and well placed Coca Cola.

[Hoggish1]

He was getting lip from some of his players that does not sit well with a coach.

Might mean more guys are kicked out of that soft program in the next few days.

[IUHog]

Stong probably needs to clean out some of his t-sip booster too. I think the Horns problems run deeper than just the roster. This is bigger than a Nutt/MSM/GOBN level purge.

[Sivad]

Charlie has already learned the art of sore losing the longhorn way. Longhorns are terrible losers and worse winners.

I don't think Charlie Strong said one good word about the Arkansas team, how it played or how it was coached as most gracious losing coaches do.
Strong gave NO credit to Arkansas.

[Nuttcracker, Sweet!]

It was year 3 before CS got Louisville turned around from the mess there whether it was Kragthorpe or lack of players that was the problem.

Many of the same things being said about the Shorthorns were being said of us, oh say less than a year ago.

An infusion of talent like Malik Jefferson and others and some toughness rather than Mack Daddy's Dr. Feelgood crap will do wonders in a year or two.

I will say that they need a QB badly. The announcers speculated about them moving Swoopes to TE and going with the RS freshman.

I would do that and recruit a JC QB or take a SR transfer, but I doubt that Braxton Miller would go there after that whipping.

As bad as Swoopes looked, I don't know that he's that much worse than Boykin at TCU 2 years ago, so who knows?

I'm just glad we're no longer in their position. They could go 0-12 for years and it would suit me fine, but Charley Strong WILL turn that program around if the good ol' boys give him 4 years...

[The_Bionic_Pig]

Arkansas took a knee inside their 5 twice....we deserved some good sportsmanship by accommodating comments...

[SamBuckhart]

Ski Rew texas and the 3 legged horse they rode into town on.

[EastexHawg]

He inherited a screwed up program left that way for him by one of the most overrated cfb coaches in the history of the game.

From 2001 through 2009 Mack Brown won 10 or more games every year.  His teams went 101-16...an average record of better than 11-2 per season...and finished in the top five in five of those nine seasons.  He won one national championship and made it to the BCS Championship Game one other time.

Since Strong is so much better it's a cinch he will surpass those numbers put up by an overrated buffoon, right?  Especially since he will have the same recruiting advantages that always explained away Brown's record...

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

His presser he mentioned lack of effort, not playing hard and failing to buying in to his plans. I expect us to see several other players leave UT.

Agree with above.  Strong seems to be a very good coach, & is trying to do things right..... but not sure if he will fit in at Texas.  Word has been going around since he was hired, that he doesn't seem to want to kiss butt enough with the big Horn donors, etc.  He just wants to coach football.  The social aspect & butt kissing.....seem to be required in Austin,  more than other jobs.  He may have to start winning quicker than normal, to be tolerated by the elite.

[Augustus]

Who cares what Charlie Strong feels? I imagine he was/is pissed of at his team and their performance last night, but if he's pissed off at Coach B because of something the media made a darn storm about... then piss on him.

It reminds me of that Houston coach who went off on Ken Hatfield after the game. Coaches get emotional, just like the players do. And, Strong has a long road in front of him. He knows it, and maybe last night made it completely obvious to the delusional Shorthorn fanbase.

Strong is a good coach, and if their fanbase gives him time, he'll get them back (*ahem*... just like another Coach we talk about frequently on here).

But, if Strong isn't coaching for Arkansas? I could care less about his feels.

[ballz2thewall]

i don't think he's up to the task.

the texas job is far different from many others.  it wore mack brown down, and he's a very good politician.

strong is not that type of guy. he may be and x and o type, and a good influence on players.

but that isn't half the job at texas.

the texas coach has to be able to manipulate those above him at this point.  does anyone see strong doing that?

[Augustus]

i don't think he's up to the task.

the texas job is far different from many others.  it wore mack brown down, and he's a very good politician.

strong is not that type of guy. he may be and x and o type, and a good influence on players.

but that isn't half the job at texas.

the texas coach has to be able to manipulate those above him at this point.  does anyone see strong doing that?

I'm not sure that's not any different than any other top 25 job? All of the upper tier schools have boosters and "good ole boy" networks, just like Texas. Maybe not to the monetary extent of Texas, but most Coaches still have to serve as politicians, in some fashion.

Take Petrino or Pelini... They literally had to lie to their boss - among other things -  (Petrino) or dare the higher ups to fire them (Pelini), before they got fired.

All that matters is winning. Winning keeps the fanbase happy, it keeps the media from asking the wrong questions... which in turn helps keeps the boosters happy long enough until a magical season occurs for the boosters to realize a return on their investment.

Strong is early on in his rebuild, and I'm sure the Texas boosters know this. As long as he doesn't cross them, until he starts winning? He'll be fine.

Another example is Brody Hoke. He wasn't fired because he couldn't play the politics game, he was fired because of his lackluster performance after year 1.

Mack Brown isn't the Coach at Texass anymore because he went 4 years without having a 10 win season. That's the expectation, and that's the shelf life in today's college football.

[LZH]

From 2001 through 2009 Mack Brown won 10 or more games every year.  His teams went 101-16...an average record of better than 11-2 per season...and finished in the top five in five of those nine seasons.  He won one national championship and made it to the BCS Championship Game one other time.

Since Strong is so much better it's a cinch he will surpass those numbers put up by an overrated buffoon, right?  Especially since he will have the same recruiting advantages that always explained away Brown's record...

Agreed 1000%.  Brown let that program get away from him, but it wasn't like he couldn't coach.....because he damn well could.  The inherent problem with the Texas job is that you have to be a politician as much as a football coach to navigate the myriad of bull**** the boosters and alumni groups force you to deal with, regardless of how many games you've won.

Brown was a very good coach who was just as adept at sweet-talking boosters as he was recruits (and their mothers).  Strong is a very good coach, but he's not gonna do the Texas two-step with those people down there like Brown did.....and that's going to be a problem, if it isn't already.  That's the main reason I didn't think he was a good hire for Texas - not that he can't coach his ass off, because he can - he is an odd fit for that job.  The AD and his $$$ friends of the program will wanna roll him out for meet-and-greets & BBQ's like a fat ass oil man does with his beautiful young fake-tittied trophy wife.  Strong is likely to tell them to get bent.....he's a coach, not a performer.

Regardless of how many games I think he'll win/lose there, he's got his hands full on and off the field.

[ballz2thewall]

Agreed 1000%.  Brown let that program get away from him, but it wasn't like he couldn't coach.....because he damn well could.  The inherent problem with the Texas job is that you have to be a politician as much as a football coach to navigate the myriad of bull**** the boosters and alumni groups force you to deal with, regardless of how many games you've won.

Brown was a very good coach who was just as adept at sweet-talking boosters as he was recruits (and their mothers).  Strong is a very good coach, but he's not gonna do the Texas two-step with those people down there like Brown did.....and that's going to be a problem, if it isn't already.  That's the main reason I didn't think he was a good hire for Texas - not that he can't coach his ass off, because he can - he is an odd fit for that job.  The AD and his $$$ friends of the program will wanna roll him out for meet-and-greets & BBQ's like a fat ass oil man does with his beautiful young fake-tittied trophy wife.  Strong is likely to tell them to get bent.....he's a coach, not a performer.

Regardless of how many games I think he'll win/lose there, he's got his hands full on and off the field.

agreed, zep.  coaching is a small part of that job.  i don't think strong is the guy for that.

i don't really know who is.  frank broyles is retired; otherwise he'd be in the running.

[LZH]

frank broyles is retired; otherwise he'd be in the running.

Ha, yeah no kidding.  If there are any young, sharp, charismatic coaches out there in the mold of Mack Brown, Bobby Bowden, Lou Holtz, Pete Carroll, etc. (guys who are just as comfortable at the podium as they are on the sideline), they should be beefing up their resumes as we speak.  I have a feeling that the odds for success in Austin aren't in Strong's favor.

[rickm1976]

If the "Big Cigars" will leave him alone, Coach Strong will make Texas relevant again - quickly.

The sad thing for Charlie is they WON'T leave him alone.  He won't be able to turn anything around until the whole culture surrounding the Longhorn team changes.

[Pigsknuckles]

it just looked as if the whole UT staff was upset about something other that the game

Job security would be the first thing that comes to mind.

[Pigsknuckles]

After ONE year?

uTerus is dumb but not THAT dumb..

Was talking assistants...

Might want to see this.
http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=584909.0

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