Rank the Hogs QB

[Iwastherein1969]

Good listing, however Mallett had both coaching and skilled players around him.  MJ had to do it all and basically had to overcome coaching.   MJ is tops.

there can only one #1 and that's Mallett...he's the only one on the list to legitimately win a starting position in the NFL...Ryan will get his big shot at Houston this coming season and if he performs, the Texans might push the Cowboys at being named the best football team in Texas

[mhsbc59]

Mallet
Stoerner
Lunney
Wilson
MJ (great talent, entertaining to watch, made everybody around him worse, Would never have played QB for Broyles, Holtz, Ford, Petrino or CBB)
BA
Mustain (undefeated but short career)

Rest were irrelevant.

My thoughts as well.  MJ gets a pass by many but not from me. For as many games as he won he lost just as many.  But i have person reasons to not like him as well.

[Hoginsavga]

True; I intended to exaggerate.

But if BM had been injured, Joe Ferguson would have stepped in. What do you think the team's record would have been in '69 and '70 with Joe starting?

Fewer wins? No. More? Probably.

If I recall correctly, game of the century, we are down 15-14, Hogs driving late, ball in FG range, HOG AA kicker waiting...........BM threw an int.



My memory may be failing but at that stage of the game i think BM threw a completion in TX territory and the receiver fumbled the ball when hit and TX recovered. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

[thirrdegreetusker]

True; I intended to exaggerate.

But if BM had been injured, Joe Ferguson would have stepped in. What do you think the team's record would have been in '69 and '70 with Joe starting?

Fewer wins? No. More? Probably.

If I recall correctly, game of the century, we are down 15-14, Hogs driving late, ball in FG range, HOG AA kicker waiting...........BM threw an int.



My memory may be failing but at that stage of the game i think BM threw a completion in TX territory and the receiver fumbled the ball when hit and TX recovered. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

Wiki say:

James Street scrambled for a touchdown on the first play of the fourth quarter. Longhorns coach Darrell Royal had decided before the game to go for two after the Longhorns' first touchdown to avoid a tie, and Street dove into the end zone to make it 14–8. This was an unusual decision since most teams would have delayed the decision for a two-point conversion until the next touchdown (though clearly mathematically correct, since this would have given the Longhorns a later chance to tie in case of a failed two-point try).

Arkansas quarterback Bill Montgomery next led the Razorbacks on a 73-yard drive down to the Texas 7. On third down, Montgomery was intercepted in the end zone by Danny Lester, Arkansas' first turnover of the game. A field goal would have likely put the game out of reach for Texas.

Still down 14–8, Texas began a desperate drive for the end zone that appeared to stall with 4:47 remaining when Royal opted for yet another gamble on fourth-and-3 from their own 43-yard line. During a timeout that Texas took before the fateful play, Royal shouted at Street, "Right 53 Veer Pass". The play was a deep pattern throw to the tight end. The play wasn't in the Texas game plan package. "Are you sure that's the call you want?" Street said. "Damn right I'm sure!" Royal snapped. Street had noticed Arkansas defenders looking into the Texas huddle, so he fixed his gaze on split end Cotton Speyrer while explaining the play to Randy Peschel, saying "Randy, I'm looking and pointing at Cotton, but I'm talking to you." Street then hit Peschel on the dramatic play, with Peschel making a difficult catch over his shoulder in double coverage. It gained 44 yards, putting Texas on the Razorbacks' 13.

Two plays later Jim Bertelsen ran in for the game-tying touchdown. Donnie Wigginton, the third-string quarterback who was the holder, made a big save on a high snap and Happy Feller booted the extra point for the winning score with 3:58 left.[6]

Arkansas made a push into Texas territory, hoping for a field goal from All-American kicker Bill McClard. Arkansas was down to the Texas 40 when Tom Campell intercepted Montgomery on the Texas 21-yard line with less than a minute left.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Wiki say:

James Street scrambled for a touchdown on the first play of the fourth quarter. Longhorns coach Darrell Royal had decided before the game to go for two after the Longhorns' first touchdown to avoid a tie, and Street dove into the end zone to make it 14–8. This was an unusual decision since most teams would have delayed the decision for a two-point conversion until the next touchdown (though clearly mathematically correct, since this would have given the Longhorns a later chance to tie in case of a failed two-point try).

Arkansas quarterback Bill Montgomery next led the Razorbacks on a 73-yard drive down to the Texas 7. On third down, Montgomery was intercepted in the end zone by Danny Lester, Arkansas' first turnover of the game. A field goal would have likely put the game out of reach for Texas.

Still down 14–8, Texas began a desperate drive for the end zone that appeared to stall with 4:47 remaining when Royal opted for yet another gamble on fourth-and-3 from their own 43-yard line. During a timeout that Texas took before the fateful play, Royal shouted at Street, "Right 53 Veer Pass". The play was a deep pattern throw to the tight end. The play wasn't in the Texas game plan package. "Are you sure that's the call you want?" Street said. "Damn right I'm sure!" Royal snapped. Street had noticed Arkansas defenders looking into the Texas huddle, so he fixed his gaze on split end Cotton Speyrer while explaining the play to Randy Peschel, saying "Randy, I'm looking and pointing at Cotton, but I'm talking to you." Street then hit Peschel on the dramatic play, with Peschel making a difficult catch over his shoulder in double coverage. It gained 44 yards, putting Texas on the Razorbacks' 13.

Two plays later Jim Bertelsen ran in for the game-tying touchdown. Donnie Wigginton, the third-string quarterback who was the holder, made a big save on a high snap and Happy Feller booted the extra point for the winning score with 3:58 left.[6]

Arkansas made a push into Texas territory, hoping for a field goal from All-American kicker Bill McClard. Arkansas was down to the Texas 40 when Tom Campell intercepted Montgomery on the Texas 21-yard line with less than a minute left.

So I was wrong. BM had TWO fourth-quarter interceptions.

[PonderinHog]

True; I intended to exaggerate.

But if BM had been injured, Joe Ferguson would have stepped in. What do you think the team's record would have been in '69 and '70 with Joe starting?

Fewer wins? No. More? Probably.

If I recall correctly, game of the century, we are down 15-14, Hogs driving late, ball in FG range, HOG AA kicker waiting...........BM threw an int.



My memory may be failing but at that stage of the game i think BM threw a completion in TX territory and the receiver fumbled the ball when hit and TX recovered. I could be wrong but that's how I remember it.

Chuck Dicus fumbled against Ole Miss to kill our last chance in the Sugar Bowl.

[Hoginsavga]

Chuck Dicus fumbled against Ole Miss to kill our last chance in the Sugar Bowl.

Thanks. Looks like I confused the two games. Has been a few years, haha.

[Bacons Rebellion]

That's a good list. We can debate about Stoernor vs. Wilson or where Matt Jones should be, but we could argue about those all night from either side and not be wrong.

[sickboy]

Give me BA over Casey Dick any day.

Dick is 3rd all time in passing yards for Arkansas. He's also around that in touchdowns thrown. People seem to forget that he was one of our most productive QBs because of his doldrums with Nutt.

[bigbadhog]

Too bad peanut Adams was SWC...

[thirrdegreetusker]

Dick is 3rd all time in passing yards for Arkansas. He's also around that in touchdowns thrown. People seem to forget that he was one of our most productive QBs because of his doldrums with Nutt.

Seems Casey always gets a bad rap. But is among the top 5 all-time UA QBs in all the "good" QB categories.

And, during the 2006 season, when "MM was undefeated", Casey's stats were equal to MMs. And Casey played the MUCH tougher part of the schedule.

[mhsbc59]

Casey Dick also had 4 Offensive Coordinaters in 4 years

[justmakeit2thebcs]

Your comment about Matt Jones is crazy.  Who cares who he would not have started for.  If it wasn't for Matt Jones, Nutt would have been fired in 2002 or 03.  Jones was the only reason we won games in those years. 

When MJ played QB, and both teams were ranked.  Arkansas was 0-1.
With the opponent ranked and Arkansas unranked, MJ was 2-9.  With Arkansas ranked and the opponent unranked, MJ was 2-5.  2-5 ? 

[hog.goblin]

Too bad peanut Adams was SWC...

Was a SR in 1992 in the SEC, though he didn't throw a pass

[arkansasrazorback]

When MJ played QB, and both teams were ranked.  Arkansas was 0-1.
With the opponent ranked and Arkansas unranked, MJ was 2-9.  With Arkansas ranked and the opponent unranked, MJ was 2-5.  2-5 ?

Without MJ what would our complete record have been.  It would have been worse.  He is in the top 4 for sure in this list.

[mhsbc59]

Lunney's Career is most unappreciated in my opinion.  Came into a dumpster fire was beat up his first 3 years. Punished because he played baseball and not allowed to start his first game of senior year.  That was SMU only win that year, and once inserted almost came back into win the game.  won at Alabama, broke nose vs, Alburn won game

[mhsbc59]

Without MJ what would our complete record have been.  It would have been worse.  He is in the top 4 for sure in this list.

Record would have been about the same.  we had good running back that where not used because of him.  Ryan Sorhan could have thrown Matt the ball.  I still say MJ won us as many games as he lost us.  the other games we would have won anyway

[mhuff]

Your comment about Matt Jones is crazy.  Who cares who he would not have started for.  If it wasn't for Matt Jones, Nutt would have been fired in 2002 or 03.  Jones was the only reason we won games in those years. 

[justmakeit2thebcs]

Without MJ what would our complete record have been.  It would have been worse.  He is in the top 4 for sure in this list.

Without any of the QB's listed our record would have been worse, LOL.. That's why they were the starters.  They could win more games than the backup.  I got him number 5, I'm just saying he isn't 1, 2 or 3 by a long shot. 

[KlubhouseKonnected]

LOL WUT?

Matt Jones was a great college football player, he was not a great quarterback.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Seems Casey always gets a bad rap. But is among the top 5 all-time UA QBs in all the "good" QB categories.

And, during the 2006 season, when "MM was undefeated", Casey's stats were equal to MMs. And Casey played the MUCH tougher part of the schedule.

Shhhhhh!!! They'll hear you!

[KlubhouseKonnected]

Record would have been about the same.  we had good running back that where not used because of him.  Ryan Sorhan could have thrown Matt the ball.  I still say MJ won us as many games as he lost us.  the other games we would have won anyway

Or better yet Travarius Jackson could have thrown him the ball. I ofteb wonder what they could have done with Matt at his natural position opposite Monk and with a legitimate passing quarterback distributing.

Without any of the QB's listed our record would have been worse, LOL.. That's why they were the starters.  They could win more games than the backup.  I got him number 5, I'm just saying he isn't 1, 2 or 3 by a long shot. 

For the above reason I am not sure that is the case for every season for each QB.

[mhsbc59]

Or better yet Travarius Jackson could have thrown him the ball. I ofteb wonder what they could have done with Matt at his natural position opposite Monk and with a legitimate passing quarterback distributing.

For the above reason I am not sure that is the case for every season for each QB.

These are the real questions

[RAZORHOGG15]

Dick is 3rd all time in passing yards for Arkansas. He's also around that in touchdowns thrown. People seem to forget that he was one of our most productive QBs because of his doldrums with Nutt.

Take away his inflated stats with BP and it's shows you something.  Before BP we were all ground and pound so that did not give any QB's a chance to match those stats.  I will always remember the 3-17 performance against LSU.  Just because he is up there in stats does not make him one of the best quarterbacks to ever play for our razorbacks.  IMHO

[PennHOG]

McFadden should be on someone's list.  He was extremely effective with the wildhog.

[KlubhouseKonnected]

McFadden should be on someone's list.  He was extremely effective with the wildhog.

Like Matt Jones without the pretense.

[NotoRioUsHOG]

So here are mine

1. Ryan Mallett
2.Tyler Wilson
3.Matt Jones
4.Ty Storey ( I have complete faith in him)
5.Mitch Mustain

[PaintballHog]

You guys are forgetting one of the greatest...


Edit: PennHOG is a wizard

[HoGFromTheStart]

So here are mine

1. Ryan Mallett
2.Tyler Wilson
3.Matt Jones
4.Ty Storey ( I have complete faith in him)
5.Mitch Mustain

My top 5 would be pretty close to this. Good picks! :razorback:

[WarPig88]

Lunney's Career is most unappreciated in my opinion.  Came into a dumpster fire was beat up his first 3 years. Punished because he played baseball and not allowed to start his first game of senior year.  That was SMU only win that year, and once inserted almost came back into win the game.  won at Alabama, broke nose vs, Alburn won game

Couldn't disagree more.

Madre Hill had a record setting season the ONLY time Lunney had even a decent year.

Madre Hill was the reason for the season, not Barry Lunney.

[WarPig88]

Seems Casey always gets a bad rap. But is among the top 5 all-time UA QBs in all the "good" QB categories.

And, during the 2006 season, when "MM was undefeated", Casey's stats were equal to MMs. And Casey played the MUCH tougher part of the schedule.

Casey Dick's stats are only good because Arkansas has almost always had a joke passing game except for a few seasons under Broyles and then Petrino era.

It's not like Dick put up crazy numbers. As a matter of fact, he was the least productive of Petrino's quarterbacks even losing his starting spot to his little brother midway through the season.

Then of course, there was the LSU game. What was he, 2 for 21 or something.

There are extremely legit reasons Dick is "overlooked". He is the poster boy for the stats are for losers perspective on greatness.

[Tejano Jawg]

Then of course, there was the LSU game. What was he, 2 for 21 or something.

Just wanted to point out a couple things. Yes, there's that LSU game. Don't remember if his stats were that bad, but I do remember (because I re-watched this game few times, painful as it was) 2 big plays. One, he hit Hillis in the hands, that if not for a pass interference by LSU, would have been a TD. Also later in that game—still in the first half—he threw a beautiful ball to Damian Williams, right over his shoulder against the sideline, hitting him in the hands—but DW drops it. Had he caught that ball, it would have been a 35-40 yard gain. He either takes it in for a TD, or, had he caught it and run out of bounds, we were in FG range, so we score easily. These are important to point out because at that point in the game, we were already ahead and had big momentum. Those plays, especially DW's pass, would have been a killer for LSU, maybe the dagger. They may not have recovered from it. But instead, we let them back in the game, their D makes plays, Dick struggles and forces things, and that's what everyone remembers.

Also, here are 2 more stats for you—Casey Dick BEAT LSU the next 2 years. How many QBs have done that in back-to-back years?

[lefty08]

Matt Jones was one of my favorite football players to watch as a Razorback, but no way I'd have him in the top 5 Razorback QBs all-time. Just my .02

[carolinahogger]

But if BM had been injured, Joe Ferguson would have stepped in. What do you think the team's record would have been in '69 and '70 with Joe starting?

Fewer wins? No. More? Probably.

If I recall correctly, game of the century, we are down 15-14, Hogs driving late, ball in FG range, HOG AA kicker waiting...........BM threw an int.

Cost us a NC, that's all.

If we had started Joe in 1969 we would have been winless due to being required to forfeit all of our games.  He was a true freshman and freshmen were not allowed to play back then.

[Iwastherein1969]

If we had started Joe in 1969 we would have been winless due to being required to forfeit all of our games.  He was a true freshman and freshmen were not allowed to play back then.

no worries, we just invoke BAMMER MATH and poof !   National Championship with a freshman in 1969

[hog.goblin]

Matt Jones was one of my favorite football players to watch as a Razorback, but no way I'd have him in the top 5 Razorback QBs all-time. Just my .02

"Lets rank the Hogs QB since joining the SEC in 1992"

[lefty08]

"Lets rank the Hogs QB since joining the SEC in 1992"

You are correct, sentiment still holds true

[lumphog]

Good listing, however Mallett had both coaching and skilled players around him.  MJ had to do it all and basically had to overcome coaching.   MJ is tops.

TOTALLY AGREE.......He should have worn a pointed helmet....He was a WIZARD

[LJHOG]

Jon Brittenum - Quarterbackin' Man

[WarPig88]

Just wanted to point out a couple things. Yes, there's that LSU game. Don't remember if his stats were that bad, but I do remember (because I re-watched this game few times, painful as it was) 2 big plays. One, he hit Hillis in the hands, that if not for a pass interference by LSU, would have been a TD. Also later in that game—still in the first half—he threw a beautiful ball to Damian Williams, right over his shoulder against the sideline, hitting him in the hands—but DW drops it. Had he caught that ball, it would have been a 35-40 yard gain. He either takes it in for a TD, or, had he caught it and run out of bounds, we were in FG range, so we score easily. These are important to point out because at that point in the game, we were already ahead and had big momentum. Those plays, especially DW's pass, would have been a killer for LSU, maybe the dagger. They may not have recovered from it. But instead, we let them back in the game, their D makes plays, Dick struggles and forces things, and that's what everyone remembers.

Also, here are 2 more stats for you—Casey Dick BEAT LSU the next 2 years. How many QBs have done that in back-to-back years?

So Casey Dick beat LSU when Dmac, Felix, and Hillis ran wild on them?

Also, Casey wouldn't have even been the starter in the second LSU game if not for an injury to his little brother.

Furthermore, that can be countered by pointing out the Casey also lost to Kentucky in back to back years as well.

Casey Dick was a terrible qb with a losing record despite having played with the best backfield in Razorback history. Let that sink in for a moment.

[EL' MAHOG]

We had a QB named Quinn Grovey(sp) who I would put on that list

[hog.goblin]

We had a QB named Quinn Grovey(sp) who I would put on that list

"Lets rank the Hogs QB since joining the SEC in 1992"

[snoblind]

True; I intended to exaggerate.

But if BM had been injured, Joe Ferguson would have stepped in. What do you think the team's record would have been in '69 and '70 with Joe starting?

Fewer wins? No. More? Probably.

If I recall correctly, game of the century, we are down 15-14, Hogs driving late, ball in FG range, HOG AA kicker waiting...........BM threw an int.

Cost us a NC, that's all.

Well, Joe was a freshman in 69 and not eligible so I'm gonna guess not as good.

[majp51]

Dick is 3rd all time in passing yards for Arkansas. He's also around that in touchdowns thrown. People seem to forget that he was one of our most productive QBs because of his doldrums with Nutt.

Err, While I believe that you are right some are down on him, the Statement

"I would rate BA over CD any day" can also be valid.

Consider this. Despite being banged up and playing in an offense that is much more "run-oriented" BA posted the following Statistics Last season:

190   339   56.0   2285   6.7   20   5   129.2

To Date Brandon's best season. Meanwhile Casey's best season  Looks like the following

150   262   57.3   1695   6.5   18   10   126.6


Looking at that stat line I would certainly want BA over CD.

Consider too that Allen would have to throw 17 Interceptions this year to surpass DIck's INT Total, and only have to throw 14 TD's to exceed Dick's TD Total.

Basically the Offense, even as run oriented as it is, would have to seriously regress overall (and BA would have to fall back to his very injured 2013 campaign) IN order to not have better overall numbers than Casey.

I would agree that Casey is unfairly maligned too though.

[PonderinHog]

Err, While I believe that you are right some are down on him, the Statement

"I would rate BA over CD any day" can also be valid.

Consider this. Despite being banged up and playing in an offense that is much more "run-oriented" BA posted the following Statistics Last season:

190   339   56.0   2285   6.7   20   5   129.2

To Date Brandon's best season. Meanwhile Casey's best season  Looks like the following

150   262   57.3   1695   6.5   18   10   126.6


Looking at that stat line I would certainly want BA over CD.

Consider too that Allen would have to throw 17 Interceptions this year to surpass DIck's INT Total, and only have to throw 14 TD's to exceed Dick's TD Total.

Basically the Offense, even as run oriented as it is, would have to seriously regress overall (and BA would have to fall back to his very injured 2013 campaign) IN order to not have better overall numbers than Casey.

I would agree that Casey is unfairly maligned too though.

Those are Casey's junior year stats from 2007 under TCTWF.
here's 2008
205  357 57.4 2586 122.4

[hog.goblin]

Those are Casey's junior year stats from 2007 under TCTWF.
here's 2008
205  357 57.4 2586 122.4

he also threw 13 TDs and 14 INTs if I remember

Frankly, neither Casey nor BA get the credit they deserve.  Imagine what Casey could have done with 4 years of coaching.

Imagine what BA could have done if he stayed healthy and didn't have to go through rebuild

but neither compare to Wilson, Ryan, or Clint - and there is nothing wrong with that

[KlubhouseKonnected]

So Casey Dick beat LSU when Dmac, Felix, and Hillis ran wild on them?

Also, Casey wouldn't have even been the starter in the second LSU game if not for an injury to his little brother.

Furthermore, that can be countered by pointing out the Casey also lost to Kentucky in back to back years as well.

Casey Dick was a terrible qb with a losing record despite having played with the best backfield in Razorback history. Let that sink in for a moment.

Yeah, but dat BLOCK doe...

[Steef]

So Casey Dick beat LSU when Dmac, Felix, and Hillis ran wild on them?

Also, Casey wouldn't have even been the starter in the second LSU game if not for an injury to his little brother.

Furthermore, that can be countered by pointing out the Casey also lost to Kentucky in back to back years as well.

Casey Dick was a terrible qb with a losing record despite having played with the best backfield in Razorback history. Let that sink in for a moment.

Man, I let this thread get away from me! I am spending WAY too much time on my phone and not enough on my laptop.


Technically, it isn't against the rules to bash FORMER players (though I think it should be). So you get a pass here (pun intended).

But I really LIKED Casey....as an upstanding young man and a VALUABLE member of our team, during several years of duress. Whatever he lacked in athletic talent (or coaching) he made up for in character and holding the team together.

And Casey didn't squander those running backs. Nutt did. When it comes to running backs, all Casey had to do was hand off. Casey's downfall was the passing game....and his Coach's avoidance thereof.

Casey finished his career with a signature win and a life-memory touchdown pass. He did the best he could have done under the circumstances and without question, better than anyone on this board could have done.

[snoblind]

Well said, Steef.

[lefty08]

Why any fan feels the need to bash a former player is rather sad. For one, it's water under the bridge. And two, they worked just as hard as other players. As long as the effort is there I won't bash anyone for having less talent. A Hog is a Hog in my mind