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presidenthog

Quote from: immahog on August 22, 2018, 12:54:04 pm
the guy hasn't been here a full season and it already feels like kurt anderson?? give me a break then again this is hogville
You are right. Fry is worse than anderson. He has a worse resume, and is worse recruiter. So far these are facts.

BayofPigs

Quote from: presidenthog on August 22, 2018, 06:00:31 pm
You are right. Fry is worse than anderson. He has a worse resume, and is worse recruiter. So far these are facts.
Fact is that you need to relax

 

Hollywood_HOGan45

Quote from: Al Boarland on August 22, 2018, 04:55:28 pm
Did 24/7 or Rivals bump some guys up?

Hogville needs an ignore button.

Al Boarland

Quote from: Bubba's Bruisers on August 22, 2018, 05:43:22 pm
Last I checked, Rivals has us at 7 commits with 4 stars.  That's trending above our usual position on Rivals.

Nice!

Deep Shoat

Quote from: Hollywood_HOGan45 on August 22, 2018, 06:53:14 pm
Hogville needs an ignore button.
It has one.  You just have to go to your profile.  I've got Al and several other negaHogs (and Guv) on ignore.
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Hogs-n-Roses

Quote from: Al Boarland on August 22, 2018, 04:55:28 pm
Did 24/7 or Rivals bump some guys up?
On Rivals we have 7 4 star kids now.We also have a couple possibly committing. I'm saying we have a shot at Henry,Knox and Catalon.

East TN HAWG

Quote from: presidenthog on August 22, 2018, 06:00:31 pm
You are right. Fry is worse than anderson. He has a worse resume, and is worse recruiter. So far these are facts.

One big difference is that Frye has been with CCM and Craddock a few years.  Hopefully, there is some cohesiveness there.   He must recruit much better or he will be gone. 

Hawgphat

Quote from: presidenthog on August 22, 2018, 06:00:31 pm
You are right. Fry is worse than anderson. He has a worse resume, and is worse recruiter. So far these are facts.


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hawgfan4life

No way anyone can say the coach is great, good, bad, or worse at this stage!  Just stupid to make posts like this on a recruiting board.  Anderson's body of work was ultimately measured in game results as will be Fry's.  The inability to close on elite OL talent if that proves to be true over time, falls upon the HC just as everything falls upon him. 

lumphog

Quote from: hawgfan4life on August 22, 2018, 10:27:08 pm
No way anyone can say the coach is great, good, bad, or worse at this stage!  Just stupid to make posts like this on a recruiting board.  Anderson's body of work was ultimately measured in game results as will be Fry's.  The inability to close on elite OL talent if that proves to be true over time, falls upon the HC just as everything falls upon him. 
STUPID..... on Hogville ???

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Hogindasticks

There was an issue with this kid.....Richard Dav let the cat out..but couldnt say what it was...so dont go jumping to conclusions if you dont know the whole story.

Been10Hog

There will be 1-5 OL prospects who are under the radar in Arkansas show up on Friday nights and get an offer. We have the talent in Arkansas for OL. They may not be ready to start as Freshmen, but CCM is building the relationships with the HS coaches so he will be notified of these "diamonds in the rough" and develop them. Won't help now, but really think we will be good on the line for a long time to come with this staff.

trphog

There's a long time between now and the December and February signing dates. So much in recruiting can change almost overnight. Especially, if you start strong and then happen to pull off an upset over A&M, Bama, or Auburn.

 

Jim Harris

Quote from: presidenthog on August 22, 2018, 06:00:31 pm
You are right. Fry is worse than anderson. He has a worse resume, and is worse recruiter. So far these are facts.

This is beyond silly. Recruits ultimately are won over by the head coach. The assistants set the table. Fry has set a table, they haven't gotten their targeted linemen of late. I believe on this board, it's been pointed out that the Jonesboro OL chose the proximity of Ole Miss for his family. Luke Jones last year had his dream offer of Notre Dame, and isn't a native Arkansan either. The Camden Fairview kid chose OU, who wins Big 12 championships typically year in and year out. To get ANY out of state player of any note to come to Fayetteville at this point where the program has been for six years (and only 2 great years in the last 11) is a heckuva coup. OL who are ready to step in and play have choices that right now look a lot better than Arkansas, but most on here won't see that because they're wearing the rose-colored glass.
Arkansas has to win to get more interest. And ultimately with that interest, the head coach seals the deal. Since Morris is sealing quite a few deals in other areas, I would say it has more to do with what these linemen recruits from out of state see for their next 4-5 years. Long story short, stop blaming Fry. He's targeting what appears to be the right guys. We won't know if they were the right guys until they've played 4 years, but they all good offer sheets.

Arkansas typically has found its real diamonds in the rough in O-line recruits: Steve Korte, Jim Mabry, and so forth, guys who became All-Americans who developed at UA. Kirkland was the highest rated guy I can ever remember Arkansas signing for its O-line out of state since Alfred Mohammad out of Youngstown, Ohio. Maybe Tony Ugoh would be in that class of recruit. As for Kirkland, that was a stroke of luck at a time Alex Collins was sold on Bielema, Charlie Partridge and that first CBB staff. David Lee and ultimately head coach Houston Nutt refused to lose in recruiting Tony Ugoh.
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Jim Harris

Quote from: Bubba's Bruisers on August 22, 2018, 02:20:28 pm
There always is.

Yes. The underlying issue is he favored someone else more.
"We've been trying to build a program on a 7-8 win per season business model .... We upgraded the Business Model." -- John Tyson

Jim Harris

Quote from: Bubba's Bruisers on August 21, 2018, 10:20:01 am
When have we had a great defense in the modern era?

I would take the 2006 defense all over again, and that's even surrendering 50 points to USC.
"We've been trying to build a program on a 7-8 win per season business model .... We upgraded the Business Model." -- John Tyson

liljo

Quote from: Jim Harris on August 23, 2018, 01:18:00 pm
I would take the 2006 defense all over again, and that's even surrendering 50 points to USC.
Yes sir, that was a pretty salty bunch right there!
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Oklahawg

OL is the least sexy position on the field, outside of specialists (I suppose). Immediate contributors are rarest of rare as OL, and therefore they know they are looking at a redshirt year, or middling playing time off of the bench. They don't know what they are committing to, just yet, and while position players can be stars on bad teams OL would seem to be one position where I want to be somewhere with good long-term chances.

I am not impressed with OL recruiting but I am not going to lay this completely at the feet of the position coach, just yet. I do remember how HV was ready to run Anderson out of town on a rail. Different situation, as they are having to reinvent the entire position right now.
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SSFrazorback

Fry at this point doesn't have much to hang his hat on. The  jonesboro kid chose an OL coach with 30 years experience in college and the pros. Fry offers 3 years at SMU with no one put in the pros.
This year is his chance to prove he can do the job. No one expects anything from this line and that's on B.B. and  KA. If this line performs better than expected And/or Froholt gets drafter higher than expected Fry will have something to show recruits. If not we'll need to go another direction.

razorbackfaninar

Quote from: SSFrazorback on August 23, 2018, 03:22:03 pm
Fry at this point doesn't have much to hang his hat on. The  jonesboro kid chose an OL coach with 30 years experience in college and the pros. Fry offers 3 years at SMU with no one put in the pros.
This year is his chance to prove he can do the job. No one expects anything from this line and that's on B.B. and  KA. If this line performs better than expected And/or Froholt gets drafter higher than expected Fry will have something to show recruits. If not we'll need to go another direction.

Until this year I have never heard much about how much experience etc an O-line coach needed to have to be able to pull recruits. I mean I don't think that Darius Thomas committed to Ole Miss because he was so excited to be coached by Jack Bicknell, but I could be wrong. Outside of Sam Pittman, and Bill Bedenbaugh, I can't name you too many more college football O-Line coaches. I don't think I can blame Stacey Wilkins for choosing Bill Bedenbaugh over Fry. Now that might have had some sway since he is considered widely to be one of the bet o-line coaches in the country, but I doubt that too many other O-Line recruits are looking that hard at the record of their O-Line coach.  They look at the school, recent success, playing time, the system, the head coach how far from home they will, or won't be, and if they like their position coach, but I don't think the lack of O-line recruits in this class has that much to do with Fry.  Offensive line recruits, elite ones, are rare, good ones are not a dime a dozen either, they have a lot of options.  Good O-line men have more options than good running backs, good receivers , good d-backs, or even good d-linemen.  They gravitate to the blue blood programs, ones with recent success.  Getting an elite offensive lineman to commit to a program that hasn't been good in nearly a decade is going to be a hard sell when they have so many options. I can understand why they are struggling with the o-line recruits.  I am a big believer that success in the SEC starts up front, but I am willing to wait and see how important Elite versus good O-line recruits are to the system that Morris runs. He didn't have to bring Fry here.  He could have hired a new O-line coach, after all he left his entire Defensive staff behind I believe.  he knows fry an knows how he works and recruits so if he brought him here I have to believe it was for a reason.