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Title: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 01, 2018, 08:11:09 pm
Nobody has mentioned that Bielema is on Film Room, I saw it flipping to Bama/clemson game.  Wonder if he has provided much insight and what he's said on Pittman and Chaney
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: I hog on January 01, 2018, 08:26:16 pm
Ive been watchin. These guys are a hoot... Bret has good insights but Patterson talks a lot.
Title: Bret on film room on espn news
Post by: I hog on January 01, 2018, 08:30:12 pm
Fun to watch
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 01, 2018, 08:31:57 pm
Bret yawning and seldomly contributing.  lol
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: King Kong on January 01, 2018, 08:33:52 pm
He gets paid for that right? I just hope it counts against the buyout


https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/bret-bielema-critical-georgia-oc-jim-chaneys-play-calling-crazy
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: I hog on January 01, 2018, 08:34:59 pm
Funny cuz bret is in the room with all spread offense guys
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Dwight_K_Shrute on January 01, 2018, 08:35:45 pm
I like when Bret says "Are you going to eat that?"
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Smashmouth2004 on January 01, 2018, 08:36:42 pm
Patterson is the smartest guy in the room and thatís why heís closest to the camera while Twinkie is sitting in the back of the class!
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: IronMountainHog on January 01, 2018, 08:36:42 pm
I donít want to hear anything out of his loud mouth except ďIím sorry I didnít do worth a damn, and I am willing to take 7.5 instead of 15 million and walk away.Ē#UNCOMMONBUTNOTBRET
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: alohawg on January 01, 2018, 08:39:26 pm
Not interested in anything that overweight blowhard says, unless it's an apology and forfeiture of his buyout.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: 26.2Hog on January 01, 2018, 08:39:55 pm
Funny cuz bret is in the room with all spread offense guys

I wonder if he told them he would give their teams an ass-whoopin if they played without a fullback.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Karma on January 01, 2018, 08:40:51 pm
Some of you ladies get your little feelings hurt easily.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: KCRazorbackfan on January 01, 2018, 08:45:11 pm
Nobody has mentioned that Bielema is on Film Room, I saw it flipping to Bama/clemson game.  Wonder if he has provided much insight and what he's said on Pittman and Chaney

My wife said he looked stuffed on catfish...........
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: KCRazorbackfan on January 01, 2018, 08:47:10 pm
Bret yawning and seldomly contributing.  lol

Just like the last 5 years, right?
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: woodrow hog call on January 01, 2018, 08:47:20 pm
I loved it when they mentioned Bama going tempo, one of them said "I thought tempo was against the rules in the SEC" BB almost spit his drink out, said I'm not in the SEC anymore.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on January 01, 2018, 08:47:50 pm
There was sort of a pecking order:

1. Patterson
2. Holgerson
3. Fedora
4. Bielema
5. Applewhite
6. Babers

Bielema's most insightful comment (that I recall) was "The real key is the end lost contain right there." Nobody disagreed with him since he's pretty much a national authority on that particular subject.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: woodrow hog call on January 01, 2018, 08:52:21 pm
Pretty funny the little digs they do on each other.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: racinghog on January 01, 2018, 09:04:08 pm
There was sort of a pecking order:

1. Patterson
2. Holgerson
3. Fedora
4. Bielema
5. Applewhite
6. Babers

Bielema's most insightful comment (that I recall) was "The real key is the end lost contain right there." Nobody disagreed with him since he's pretty much a national authority on that particular subject.

Any of those guys defensive coaches?
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Oklahawg on January 01, 2018, 09:08:53 pm
Some of you ladies get your little feelings hurt easily.

I wonder how long they will carry this?
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: checkraiser88 on January 01, 2018, 09:09:46 pm
Anytime the coaches bring up tempo BB goes silent
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: kaki on January 01, 2018, 09:13:42 pm
Anytime the coaches bring up tempo BB goes silent
Silence is good, many could benefit from trying this every now and then.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: RebHog on January 01, 2018, 09:17:46 pm
There was sort of a pecking order:

1. Patterson
2. Holgerson
3. Fedora
4. Bielema
5. Applewhite
6. Babers

Bielema's most insightful comment (that I recall) was "The real key is the end lost contain right there." Nobody disagreed with him since he's pretty much a national authority on that particular subject.

Nice! lol +1
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: GroŖer Kriegschwein on January 01, 2018, 09:19:10 pm
Any of those guys defensive coaches?

Patterson and Bielema both came from defensive backgrounds.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on January 01, 2018, 09:21:42 pm
I donít want to hear anything out of his loud mouth except ďIím sorry I didnít do worth a damn, and I am willing to take 7.5 instead of 15 million and walk away.Ē#UNCOMMONBUTNOTBRET
Dumbest comment ever on hogville.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Tigaman on January 01, 2018, 09:22:27 pm
Any of those guys defensive coaches?

Patterson and Bielema are. Not sure about Babers but the rest are offensive coaches. People tend to forget that Bielema is a defensive coach because he's known for his ground and pound offense.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: checkraiser88 on January 01, 2018, 09:23:01 pm
Patterson and Bielema are. Not sure about Babers but the rest are offensive coaches. People tend to forget that Bielema is a defensive coach because he's known for his ground and pound offensive.

what
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 01, 2018, 09:24:24 pm
Bret yawning and seldomly contributing.  lol

Sounds like one of the meetings he would have as coach.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: LRHawg on January 01, 2018, 09:25:22 pm
He's muttered a few words here and there and stifled some yawns. He also ripped a fart. You literally can't make this ish up.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: hogfan14 on January 01, 2018, 09:28:51 pm
Patterson and Bielema are. Not sure about Babers but the rest are offensive coaches. People tend to forget that Bielema is a defensive coach because he's known for his ground and pound offense.

Babers is an offensive guy. Coached Jimmy Garoppolo at Eastern Illinois.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: PigTimePlayer on January 01, 2018, 09:29:40 pm
"Hey Bret, the ocean called...they're running out of shrimp!"
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 01, 2018, 09:33:39 pm
He's muttered a few words here and there and stifled some yawns. He also ripped a fart. You literally can't make this ish up.

I missed the fart?  Haha
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: TechHawg on January 01, 2018, 09:44:37 pm
Yep Bret passed gas. Live on national TV. Wow. https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/watch-bret-bielema-claims-ruined-seat-cushion-live-tv-following-lengthy-rose-bowl/
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: hawgon on January 01, 2018, 09:44:48 pm
Bert would like to say more, but his throat is fattening shut and it is difficult for him to talk.  I think he has gained at least 25 pounds since Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: HogBreath on January 01, 2018, 09:46:40 pm
Patterson and Bielema are. Not sure about Babers but the rest are offensive coaches. People tend to forget that Bielema is a defensive coach because he's known for his ground and pound offense.
I'm guessing it was first discovered that CBB was not an offensive coach, so it was just assumed he was a defensive coach, which clearly he is not.  Not a special teams guy either.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on January 01, 2018, 09:47:20 pm
To be fair, Bielema is contributing a little more about Alabama.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: 26.2Hog on January 01, 2018, 09:52:44 pm
Anytime the coaches bring up tempo BB goes silent

"Even fools are thought wise if they keep silent, and discerning if they hold their tongues."
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: AugustaHog on January 01, 2018, 10:43:26 pm
It mustíve been bad bc Fedora took off.  I canít imagine with his dietary intake that it would be roses.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 01, 2018, 10:46:06 pm
Where did Patterson go
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: elksnort on January 01, 2018, 10:51:35 pm
The guys are entertaining and knowledgeable and so is Bret.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: pumphog on January 01, 2018, 11:37:06 pm
I was wondering where Patterson went also. One minute he's there and then no more.  My biggest take from watching twenty minutes of them watching the ALA  Clemson game was that they all wished that could get players like ALA.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: twistitup on January 02, 2018, 05:46:37 am
Like a kid
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: rljjr on January 02, 2018, 08:11:26 am
It was a fun way to watch the game. I enjoyed it much more than hearing the announcers. What I appreciated is hearing how curious they were as to why OU got away from doing what it does best and why Georgia would do the same.

It was also fun to hear Applewhite ask, "what's the down and distance?" "How much time left?"

Also fun to hear some of them asking about flags, only to hear Patterson tell them the facts of the penalty. Basic stuff that made me laugh. Totally enjoyed listening to all the coaches.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: DeltaBoy on January 02, 2018, 08:30:20 am
Nobody has mentioned that Bielema is on Film Room, I saw it flipping to Bama/clemson game.  Wonder if he has provided much insight and what he's said on Pittman and Chaney

We fired him!
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: 12247 on January 02, 2018, 08:45:09 am
That damn fraud Chaney.  Needing 3 years to install his offense and then ended up being in the NC game after 2 years.  Guy cannot coach a lick, cost us game after game.  Just think coming up in year 3, what the SEC is facing, what with him not having the entire offense installed and all.  Yeah, and his fraud brought poor ole Bret down. What a shame that roughly 15 assistants just like that fraud collectively ruined a 3 time Rose Bowl coach and in fact, an AD whose integrity simply cannot be questioned.  Right? Right?
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: LZH on January 02, 2018, 08:49:38 am
That damn fraud Chaney.  Needing 3 years to install his offense and then ended up being in the NC game after 2 years.  Guy cannot coach a lick, cost us game after game.  Just think coming up in year 3, what the SEC is facing, what with him not having the entire offense installed and all.  Yeah, and his fraud brought poor ole Bret down. What a shame that roughly 15 assistants just like that fraud collectively ruined a 3 time Rose Bowl coach and in fact, an AD whose integrity simply cannot be questioned.  Right? Right?

Right....
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: PonderinHog on January 02, 2018, 09:03:32 am
How does a freshman quarterback run an offense that takes three years to learn?  Summer school, AP courses ???
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Wild Bill Hog on January 02, 2018, 09:49:04 am
Dumbest comment ever on hogville.

You do know Bert's gone and he isn't coming back don't you?
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: hawganatic on January 02, 2018, 10:18:46 am
That damn fraud Chaney.  Needing 3 years to install his offense and then ended up being in the NC game after 2 years.  Guy cannot coach a lick, cost us game after game.  Just think coming up in year 3, what the SEC is facing, what with him not having the entire offense installed and all.  Yeah, and his fraud brought poor ole Bret down. What a shame that roughly 15 assistants just like that fraud collectively ruined a 3 time Rose Bowl coach and in fact, an AD whose integrity simply cannot be questioned.  Right? Right?

I never had a problem with Chaney while he was here, but can you honestly say that our offense didn't get better after he left.

Chaney is good, but Enos is better.  Any time you can upgrade at a position, you do it.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: AP85 on January 02, 2018, 10:20:27 am
Good for coach B.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Athog on January 02, 2018, 10:37:11 am
Bret yawning and seldomly contributing.  lol

Not true!! He had good insight and did contribute. I agree Patterson talks all the time. Bret also farted!
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 02, 2018, 11:47:25 am
We fired him!


Whhhaatttt!!!!????  You must be a carpet bagger thinking as slow as you do.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 02, 2018, 11:51:13 am
Not true!! He had good insight and did contribute. I agree Patterson talks all the time. Bret also farted!

Bielema barely talked up until Patterson walked off set and never came back. 

I thought it was funny, someone made a comment (either Applewhite or the Syracuse coach) about Chaney's desire to run fly sweeps and end arounds.  They said what do you call here, one or both said something of the same, not a blank. 

Chaney is where he is today at UGA because those 3 backs (swift might be the best one of the three) running behind that O line.  Just that simple, they were busting big runs all game that kept them in that game.  Watch was bama's front 7 does to those holes.  This isn't a motion trick running offense like Gus's that will neutralize bama's speed and size. 

Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: code red on January 02, 2018, 11:55:00 am
That damn fraud Chaney.  Needing 3 years to install his offense and then ended up being in the NC game after 2 years.  Guy cannot coach a lick, cost us game after game.  Just think coming up in year 3, what the SEC is facing, what with him not having the entire offense installed and all.  Yeah, and his fraud brought poor ole Bret down. What a shame that roughly 15 assistants just like that fraud collectively ruined a 3 time Rose Bowl coach and in fact, an AD whose integrity simply cannot be questioned.  Right? Right?
I was thinking the same thing.  LOL.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: rljjr on January 02, 2018, 12:38:07 pm
Bielema barely talked up until Patterson walked off set and never came back. 

I thought it was funny, someone made a comment (either Applewhite or the Syracuse coach) about Chaney's desire to run fly sweeps and end arounds.  They said what do you call here, one or both said something of the same, not a blank. 

Chaney is where he is today at UGA because those 3 backs (swift might be the best one of the three) running behind that O line.  Just that simple, they were busting big runs all game that kept them in that game.  Watch was bama's front 7 does to those holes.  This isn't a motion trick running offense like Gus's that will neutralize bama's speed and size. 



The part of the Rose Bowl I watched CBB talked a lot. He and Patterson were the chattiest. They seemed to get along quite well. Fedora was also pretty talkative. The Babers/Holgorsen side of the table were reasonably quiet. CBB had more to say during the Sugar Bowl and then I have no idea where Patterson went.

I found all of them highly entertaining.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Kevin on January 02, 2018, 12:46:58 pm
too many coaches.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Arthur pigby sellers. on January 02, 2018, 04:30:21 pm
One of the coaches walked out of the room after Brett farted on him. Couldnít tell who it was?  Thatís probably why Patterson left To get some fresh air.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: twistitup on January 02, 2018, 06:44:14 pm
Bielema barely talked up until Patterson walked off set and never came back. 

I thought it was funny, someone made a comment (either Applewhite or the Syracuse coach) about Chaney's desire to run fly sweeps and end arounds.  They said what do you call here, one or both said something of the same, not a blank. 

Chaney is where he is today at UGA because those 3 backs (swift might be the best one of the three) running behind that O line.  Just that simple, they were busting big runs all game that kept them in that game.  Watch was bama's front 7 does to those holes.  This isn't a motion trick running offense like Gus's that will neutralize bama's speed and size. 



Chaney is where he is because he has done a good job of coaching, play calling, etc....we are RB U - he could have done a good job here, his boss was the problem
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: SurfnSun on January 02, 2018, 07:01:09 pm
You do know Bert's gone and he isn't coming back don't you?

Iím glad heís gone but that was about the dumbest fíing thing Iíve ever read on here.  It took a new level of stupid to type it.

If the next Powerball winner only accepts half of the winnings Iíll come back and amend my post...until that time it stands.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Wild Bill Hog on January 02, 2018, 07:09:51 pm
Iím glad heís gone but that was about the dumbest fíing thing Iíve ever read on here.  It took a new level of stupid to type it.

If the next Powerball winner only accepts half of the winnings Iíll come back and amend my post...until that time it stands.

The poster I was responding to has a long history of Bert defending and has not always been very polite in doing so.  Hence my post.

You owe me a favor.  I typed real slowly so people like you stand a chance of possibly understanding it.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: farmhawg on January 02, 2018, 07:13:00 pm
One of the coaches walked out of the room after Brett farted on him. Couldnít tell who it was?  Thatís probably why Patterson left To get some fresh air.
Classy Brett.....
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: SooieGeneris on January 04, 2018, 12:42:58 am
One of the coaches walked out of the room after Brett farted on him. Couldnít tell who it was?  Thatís probably why Patterson left To get some fresh air.

Larry Fedora of UNC, that Chipotle/vodka air biscuit probably singed his nose hairs..
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Mike Irwin on January 04, 2018, 07:47:02 am
Chaney is where he is because he has done a good job of coaching, play calling, etc....we are RB U - he could have done a good job here, his boss was the problem

You are one of the few here who get it. The Chaney haters are laughable. One suggested the other night that the only reason Kirby Smart hired him was to get Sam Pittman. Pittman is good at what he does but no head coach with a brain would hire an incompetient play caller to direct his offense just to get the O-line coach he wanted.

About 99.999 % of the population has never called a play in an football game. Yet were have so many experts on the subject.

Not long before he left for Pitt I ran into Chaney at a high school playoff game. He was there recruiting a QB. Without directly saying it he made it clear to me that Bielema had been heavily involved in his play calling. In particular he said, you can have a philosophy of lining up and running it down your opponent's throat all you want but if you don't have the players to do it you better be able to throw the ball.

He also said that those who analyze play calling do it after the fact. "That's the easiest job I can think of," he laughed. "Try doing it in real time and get back to me on that."

The bottom line: Bielema continues to rip this guy and he just got fired. Cheney will be coaching in the national championship game.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Kevin on January 04, 2018, 07:55:37 am
yep, cbb held chaney back when here
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: hawgmasta on January 04, 2018, 08:06:38 am
I never had a problem with Chaney while he was here, but can you honestly say that our offense didn't get better after he left.

Chaney is good, but Enos is better.  Any time you can upgrade at a position, you do it.

I think if Georgia had Enos they would be much more comfortable going into the game. Sagan probably is pretty confident going up against Chaney.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: sowmonella on January 04, 2018, 09:15:33 am
I think if Georgia had Enos they would be much more comfortable going into the game. Sagan probably is pretty confident going up against Chaney.
Carl Sagan??
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: jkstock04 on January 04, 2018, 09:23:28 am
You are one of the few here who get it. The Chaney haters are laughable. One suggested the other night that the only reason Kirby Smart hired him was to get Sam Pittman. Pittman is good at what he does but no head coach with a brain would hire an incompetient play caller to direct his offense just to get the O-line coach he wanted.

About 99.999 % of the population has never called a play in an football game. Yet were have so many experts on the subject.

Not long before he left for Pitt I ran into Chaney at a high school playoff game. He was there recruiting a QB. Without directly saying it he made it clear to me that Bielema had been heavily involved in his play calling. In particular he said, you can have a philosophy of lining up and running it down your opponent's throat all you want but if you don't have the players to do it you better be able to throw the ball.

He also said that those who analyze play calling do it after the fact. "That's the easiest job I can think of," he laughed. "Try doing it in real time and get back to me on that."

The bottom line: Bielema continues to rip this guy and he just got fired. Cheney will be coaching in the national championship game.
Qb play was laughable under Chaney. Clown show laughable. Under Enos there was obvious improvement. Coincidence?

If you are going to say somehow Bielema was hampering qb development under Chaney...ya I donít know. I just canít see a guy like Chaney actively working with qbs.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Athog on January 04, 2018, 09:58:08 am
Not interested in anything that overweight blowhard says, unless it's an apology and forfeiture of his buyout.

Get over yourself!!
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 04, 2018, 10:12:24 am
Chaney is where he is because he has done a good job of coaching, play calling, etc....we are RB U - he could have done a good job here, his boss was the problem

UGA is where they are because of the defense, the stable of RB's, and finally a QB that will game manage. 

Chaney came out in the OU game being "cute".  He was told to stop and look what happened. 

His boss was obviously a problem, but Chaney had issues at well.  a power LT run won him that game against OU because of the ability of his O line and Rb's.  Don't over think that.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 04, 2018, 10:16:29 am
You are one of the few here who get it. The Chaney haters are laughable. One suggested the other night that the only reason Kirby Smart hired him was to get Sam Pittman. Pittman is good at what he does but no head coach with a brain would hire an incompetient play caller to direct his offense just to get the O-line coach he wanted.

About 99.999 % of the population has never called a play in an football game. Yet were have so many experts on the subject.

Not long before he left for Pitt I ran into Chaney at a high school playoff game. He was there recruiting a QB. Without directly saying it he made it clear to me that Bielema had been heavily involved in his play calling. In particular he said, you can have a philosophy of lining up and running it down your opponent's throat all you want but if you don't have the players to do it you better be able to throw the ball.

He also said that those who analyze play calling do it after the fact. "That's the easiest job I can think of," he laughed. "Try doing it in real time and get back to me on that."

The bottom line: Bielema continues to rip this guy and he just got fired. Cheney will be coaching in the national championship game.

Now that the Bielema era is over, I believe we saw that Bielema influenced both sides of the ball, play calling, scheme, etc.  We went through multiple DC's and played the same damn thing over and over again.  I believe the same should be said on the offensive side of the ball, however when Chaney left Drew Morgan even said in an interview how much more sophisticated Enos passing tree/route tree was over Chaney's.  He went on to say how much more detailed it was about spacing and why if one receiver does this it does this for receiver 2, and so on.  However, under Enos our run game got more finesse and less pound.  Either way you want to cut it, argue about it, or whatever, the problem obviously was with Bielema. 
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: twistitup on January 04, 2018, 11:08:41 am
Qb play was laughable under Chaney. Clown show laughable. Under Enos there was obvious improvement. Coincidence?

If you are going to say somehow Bielema was hampering qb development under Chaney...ya I donít know. I just canít see a guy like Chaney actively working with qbs.

Chaney deserves more respect than he gets
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: hoglady on January 04, 2018, 11:32:33 am
Qb play was laughable under Chaney. Clown show laughable. Under Enos there was obvious improvement. Coincidence?

If you are going to say somehow Bielema was hampering qb development under Chaney...ya I don’t know. I just can’t see a guy like Chaney actively working with qbs.

I don't know what happened here but Chaney has done an exceptional job with the true freshman QB at Georgia.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: SooieGeneris on January 04, 2018, 11:50:01 am
You are one of the few here who get it. The Chaney haters are laughable. One suggested the other night that the only reason Kirby Smart hired him was to get Sam Pittman. Pittman is good at what he does but no head coach with a brain would hire an incompetient play caller to direct his offense just to get the O-line coach he wanted.

About 99.999 % of the population has never called a play in an football game. Yet were have so many experts on the subject.

Not long before he left for Pitt I ran into Chaney at a high school playoff game. He was there recruiting a QB. Without directly saying it he made it clear to me that Bielema had been heavily involved in his play calling. In particular he said, you can have a philosophy of lining up and running it down your opponent's throat all you want but if you don't have the players to do it you better be able to throw the ball.

He also said that those who analyze play calling do it after the fact. "That's the easiest job I can think of," he laughed. "Try doing it in real time and get back to me on that."

The bottom line: Bielema continues to rip this guy and he just got fired. Cheney will be coaching in the national championship game.

Was Bert critical of Chaney during that telecast? I didn't watch much of it. Some of the coaches weren't contributing anything and Bert contributed negatively to the air quality apparently..
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: hawgmasta on January 04, 2018, 12:05:12 pm
Carl Sagan??

Sagan was a great Xís and Oís Kind of guy.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: racinghog on January 04, 2018, 12:08:36 pm
Chaney has been given credit for Drew Brees for his time at Purdue. Truth is he was not the QB coach, Greg Olsen was. He is currently the QB coach with the Rams. Chaney has been a OL or TE coach most of his career. He only started to coach QB his last year at TN. I agree this freshman has played well this year, but the QB from last year got worse as the year progressed.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Grizzlyfan on January 04, 2018, 12:20:36 pm
Not true!! He had good insight and did contribute. I agree Patterson talks all the time. Bret also farted!
It just seemed to me that Bert was always mumbling.  or low talking maybe.  I couldn't understand much of what he was saying.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Wild Bill Hog on January 04, 2018, 12:23:57 pm
It just seemed to me that Bert was always mumbling.  or low talking maybe.  I couldn't understand much of what he was saying.

Odds are Bert didn't understand much of what he was saying either.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 04, 2018, 12:25:23 pm
I'm of the belief now that Bret's problem that was brought out about not being able to keep good assistants at Wisconsin had nothing to do with money or Barry Alvarez not giving him what he wanted. 
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: PonderinHog on January 04, 2018, 12:33:06 pm
Still waiting for the air to clear ???
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Wild Bill Hog on January 04, 2018, 12:34:41 pm
Still waiting for the air to clear ???

Got Hazmat working on it, and a painting crew waiting in the wings even as we speak.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Mike Irwin on January 04, 2018, 12:44:13 pm
 Most of you get it. A few of you are going sit there acting like you know something when you've never developed a QB, never called a play in a game, never even coached.

Jim Chaney is the quarterbacks coach and play caller for one of the top two teams in the country. His quarterback is a true freshman, an incredible accomplishment. And yet the rest of us are suppposed to believe you guys that the man doesn't know what he's doing.  ???



 
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: seasonhog on January 04, 2018, 01:30:56 pm
You are one of the few here who get it. The Chaney haters are laughable. One suggested the other night that the only reason Kirby Smart hired him was to get Sam Pittman. Pittman is good at what he does but no head coach with a brain would hire an incompetient play caller to direct his offense just to get the O-line coach he wanted.

About 99.999 % of the population has never called a play in an football game. Yet were have so many experts on the subject.

Not long before he left for Pitt I ran into Chaney at a high school playoff game. He was there recruiting a QB. Without directly saying it he made it clear to me that Bielema had been heavily involved in his play calling. In particular he said, you can have a philosophy of lining up and running it down your opponent's throat all you want but if you don't have the players to do it you better be able to throw the ball.

He also said that those who analyze play calling do it after the fact. "That's the easiest job I can think of," he laughed. "Try doing it in real time and get back to me on that."

The bottom line: Bielema continues to rip this guy and he just got fired. Cheney will be coaching in the national championship game.



Mike, you are the one in the know.....how come you didn't let us know a long time ago how sorry of a coach Bielema is.

When Bielema was hired & said that we were running it down AL throat I knew we were in trouble....5 years & a ton of money to correct.

We can support our coaches....but when they are not getting the job done, they need to be called out.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 04, 2018, 01:33:29 pm
Most of you get it. A few of you are going sit there acting like you know something when you've never developed a QB, never called a play in a game, never even coached.

Jim Chaney is the quarterbacks coach and play caller for one of the top two teams in the country. His quarterback is a true freshman, an incredible accomplishment. And yet the rest of us are suppposed to believe you guys that the man doesn't know what he's doing.  ???


Chaney is a good coach. But all fans sometimes question play calling. It's simply part of being a fan. It's also after the fact when the fan and coaches know what happened. It's the proverbial 20/20 vision. When the play works the fans say "Brilliant!". When it doesn't they say "stupid call!".
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: bphi11ips on January 04, 2018, 01:33:39 pm
Most of you get it. A few of you are going sit there acting like you know something when you've never developed a QB, never called a play in a game, never even coached.

Jim Chaney is the quarterbacks coach and play caller for one of the top two teams in the country. His quarterback is a true freshman, an incredible accomplishment. And yet the rest of us are suppposed to believe you guys that the man doesn't know what he's doing.  ???



 


Coaches get too much credit and too much blame for player development, especially QBs.

Jake Fromm was a 5-star QB from the get-go. He developed those skills, surely with help, long before he reported to Georgia. That doesn't mean he wonít improve under Chaney, but the physical and mental tools and mechanics were there, and only so much of that can be ďdevelopedĒ.  Otherwise thereíd be a lot more great QBs.

What Jim Chaney has done at Georgia is take the great talent he has and build an offense that works around it. Thatís what good OCs do. He didnít develop Nick Chubb or Sony Michel or Jake Fromm. He puts them in position to he successful.

He has better raw material at Georgia than he did at Arkansas. Maybe thatís why he took that job.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 04, 2018, 01:36:37 pm
Coaches get too much credit and too much blame for player development, especially QBs.

Jake Fromm was a 5-star QB from the get-go. He developed those skills, surely with help, long before he reported to Georgia. That doesn't mean he wonít improve under Chaney, but the physical and mental tools and mechanics were there, and only so much of that can be ďdevelopedĒ.  Otherwise thereíd be a lot more great QBs.

What Jim Chaney has done at Georgia is take the great talent he has and build an offense that works. Thatís what good OCs do. He didnít develop Nick Chubb or Sony Michel or Jake Fromm. He puts them in position to he successful.

He has better raw material at Georgia than he did at Arkansas. Maybe thatís why he took that job.

He actually did't leave Arkansas straight for Georgia. He had another stop along the way at Pitt. That can make one think there were other reasons besides "raw material".
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Kevin on January 04, 2018, 01:38:05 pm
Most of you get it. A few of you are going sit there acting like you know something when you've never developed a QB, never called a play in a game, never even coached.

Jim Chaney is the quarterbacks coach and play caller for one of the top two teams in the country. His quarterback is a true freshman, an incredible accomplishment. And yet the rest of us are suppposed to believe you guys that the man doesn't know what he's doing.  ???



 


what I did not like about the whole bret era, was the constant lying to cover up crab that was going on. like it takes 3 years to get the offense in. well, chaney is winning with a true freshman qb, in his second year as oc at Georgia.

it was just one cover up lie after another up there.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: bphi11ips on January 04, 2018, 01:40:50 pm
He actually did't leave Arkansas straight for Georgia. He had another stop along the way at Pitt. That can make one think there were other reasons besides "raw material".

Maybe I confused him with Pittman.

Not the point, anyway. He has better raw material at Georgia and likely always will. Georgia has 6 five-stars committed for 2018. Saban and Malzahn have to go to Georgia to compete with Georgia.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: seasonhog on January 04, 2018, 01:47:10 pm
what I did not like about the whole bret era, was the constant lying to cover up crab that was going on. like it takes 3 years to get the offense in. well, chaney is winning with a true freshman qb, in his second year as oc at Georgia.

it was just one cover up lie after another up there.



Right on!

Already in the mind of many fans on HV.....is this Morris should be giving 3 or so years to get his players in .. were he can win......" Bull "   we will know how good of a coach he is next season.

They were people wanting to give Bielema another year....
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Skandar Jackson on January 04, 2018, 02:16:11 pm
Maybe I confused him with Pittman.

Not the point, anyway. He has better raw material at Georgia and likely always will. Georgia has 6 five-stars committed for 2018. Saban and Malzahn have to go to Georgia to compete with Georgia.


Don't get me started on Pittman. He couldn't figure out how to block the stunts against Toledo. Only stunts Pittman understands are things like flying over 50 greyhound buses on a motorsickle or flying a rocket over Snake River canyon. Knows nothing about stunts in football.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Wild Bill Hog on January 04, 2018, 02:18:06 pm

Don't get me started on Pittman. He couldn't figure out how to block the stunts against Toledo. Only stunts Pittman understands are things like flying over 50 greyhound buses on a motorsickle or flying a rocket over Snake River canyon. Knows nothing about stunts in football.

You mean he's really Evel Knievel?    :o
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 04, 2018, 03:22:25 pm
Maybe I confused him with Pittman.

Not the point, anyway. He has better raw material at Georgia and likely always will. Georgia has 6 five-stars committed for 2018. Saban and Malzahn have to go to Georgia to compete with Georgia.

I wasn't dogging your post. Yes Pitman went straight to Georgia. Even that is a little hint of the point I was trying to make. Maybe all that stuff about Wisconsin and his not able to keep assistants due to pay wasn't all true. Maybe he might have been part of the reason so many left. When he first got to Arkansas it was thought he had a good assemblage of assistants. Somehow he didn't keep them here or at Wisconsin. Yes Chaney is where more raw material is generally easier to assemble. Georgia is smack in the middle of a top recruiting area.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: 010HogFan on January 04, 2018, 03:25:31 pm
I'm of the belief now that Bret's problem that was brought out about not being able to keep good assistants at Wisconsin had nothing to do with money or Barry Alvarez not giving him what he wanted. 

Bingo. We were sold a bill of goods.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: GoHogs1091 on January 04, 2018, 03:35:28 pm
Bielema barely talked up until Patterson walked off set and never came back. 

I thought it was funny, someone made a comment (either Applewhite or the Syracuse coach) about Chaney's desire to run fly sweeps and end arounds.  They said what do you call here, one or both said something of the same, not a blank. 

Chaney is where he is today at UGA because those 3 backs (swift might be the best one of the three) running behind that O line.  Just that simple, they were busting big runs all game that kept them in that game.  Watch was bama's front 7 does to those holes.  This isn't a motion trick running offense like Gus's that will neutralize bama's speed and size. 

Georgia's offense is not as good as Clemson's offense.  Clemson's offense had trouble against Saban's NFL farm club defense. 

You don't have a chance against/beat Alabama running straight ahead with good Running Backs, which is what Georgia has.  You have to have elite QB play and elite WR play to have a chance against/beat the Alabama NFL farm club defense, for instance Johnny Manziel/Mike Evans and Deshaun Watson/Mike Williams.

Georgia might get a little help from the fact that Saban won't have nearly a month to prepare for their offense like the almost full month he had to prepare for Clemson's offense.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: SavoySeamster on January 04, 2018, 06:08:38 pm
I don't know what happened here but Chaney has done an exceptional job with the true freshman QB at Georgia.

What happened here is apparently whatís currently happening at LSU, a head coach who wonít truly turn his coordinators loose. We remedied the situation by firing BB, but Coach O seems to be a ďmeddlerĒ as well. I agree, I think Chaney is plenty capable as an OC, but you have to play to strengths of your team.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Mike Irwin on January 04, 2018, 08:08:16 pm


Mike, you are the one in the know.....how come you didn't let us know a long time ago how sorry of a coach Bielema is.

When Bielema was hired & said that we were running it down AL throat I knew we were in trouble....5 years & a ton of money to correct.

We can support our coaches....but when they are not getting the job done, they need to be called out.
I defended Chaney till I was blue in the face on this board. Very few wanted to hear anything about it. As far as Bielema being a "sorry coach" I don't think he is. He brought the wrong philosophy to this school but it took time for that to become obvious. I don't jump to conclusions. I felt like he needed time to make his system work.

At South Carolina it finally hit me. We're five years in and his program is going downhill. Maybe some of you knew it a lot sooner but the nature of my job requires me to be cautious.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Mike Irwin on January 04, 2018, 08:12:31 pm

Don't get me started on Pittman. He couldn't figure out how to block the stunts against Toledo. Only stunts Pittman understands are things like flying over 50 greyhound buses on a motorsickle or flying a rocket over Snake River canyon. Knows nothing about stunts in football.
He's one of the most respected O-line coaches in college football. Nick Saban tried to hire him away from Arkansas. He is coaching in the national championship game. If he was as clueless as you think he would be like the guy who replaced him. Unemployed.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Wild Bill Hog on January 04, 2018, 08:15:37 pm
Sagan was a great Xís and Oís Kind of guy.

Out of this world.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Kevin on January 04, 2018, 08:16:19 pm
He's one of the most respected O-line coaches in college football. Nick Saban tried to hire him away from Arkansas. He is coaching in the national championship game. If he was as clueless as you think he would be like the guy who replaced him. Unemployed.

the final verdict is: it was not money why assistants flee away from cbb. it is him. chaney & pittman, were just two of many to have had enough of the guy.

i am not sure if cbb is a good coach or not. he one job away from alvarez turn out to be a disaster.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Skandar Jackson on January 04, 2018, 09:33:23 pm
He's one of the most respected O-line coaches in college football. Nick Saban tried to hire him away from Arkansas. He is coaching in the national championship game. If he was as clueless as you think he would be like the guy who replaced him. Unemployed.

Getting chewed out by Mike Irwin on Hogville was on my bucket list.  Now I can mark that one off.  Wait a minute.  I think you got me when I said I could make 1 out of 25 shots in a college basketball game after a horrible night of shooting for the hogs.  Yep.  I still think I could luck in 1 out of 25. 

If memory serves me, and it usually does, I believe I heard you mention on the radio more than once that the reason we got beat by Toledo was because Pittman couldn't figure out how to handle their stunts on the defensive line. 

At the time you said it, and you may have even said it here, it struck me as a little bit silly that an experienced offensive line coach couldn't figure out how to block a stunting defensive line from a team that seemed at least at that time to be inferior to us in terms of talent level and status.  In retrospect they were probably superior to us in many ways although we didn't want to admit it at the time.  After hearing this I do remember posting a wide variety of things about Pittman's knowledge about stunts.  I believe that was when I was posting as OTR.  OTR historians can probably dig up some of those doozies.

I hope Alabama doesn't stunt (Not that they need to with a defensive line that looks like extras from a a prison movie working out with heavy barbells in the yard) or Georgia will not have a chance.

Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on January 04, 2018, 09:47:48 pm
Out of this world.

See what you did there....   ;)
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on January 04, 2018, 09:57:59 pm
Getting chewed out by Mike Irwin on Hogville was on my bucket list.  Now I can mark that one off.  Wait a minute.  I think you got me when I said I could make 1 out of 25 shots in a college basketball game after a horrible night of shooting for the hogs.  Yep.  I still think I could luck in 1 out of 25. 

If memory serves me, and it usually does, I believe I heard you mention on the radio more than once that the reason we got beat by Toledo was because Pittman couldn't figure out how to handle their stunts on the defensive line. 

At the time you said it, and you may have even said it here, it struck me as a little bit silly that an experienced offensive line coach couldn't figure out how to block a stunting defensive line from a team that seemed at least at that time to be inferior to us in terms of talent level and status.  In retrospect they were probably superior to us in many ways although we didn't want to admit it at the time.  After hearing this I do remember posting a wide variety of things about Pittman's knowledge about stunts.  I believe that was when I was posting as OTR.  OTR historians can probably dig up some of those doozies.

I hope Alabama doesn't stunt (Not that they need to with a defensive line that looks like extras from a a prison movie working out with heavy barbells in the yard) or Georgia will not have a chance.

I swear, if Bama comes out running nothing but stunts on the O-line, and it works, I will need oxygen.   ;D

We had so many coordinators and position coaches here under BB that I can't even keep up.  I can't even remember which ones stunk, and which ones were good!  Here's what I think....UGA has a great running game, which served them well in beating most teams with good D-lines.  It failed them against Auburn in the first go around when Auburn was rested and healthy.  It's UGA's successful running game that sets up play action. 

I cannot see a single reason UGA should be able to beat Bama on Monday.  I don't think they'll be able to run, which means they will be one dimensional with a Fr. QB against a Bama secondary, and pass rush.  That doesn't usually end well. 

I don't think Bama will move it great on UGA's defense either, but they'll do enough to win, and I bet they hold UGA to under 300 yards of total offense.

As for getting scolded by Mike, that's a right of passage on Hogville.  He's right most of the time, and has great insight.  But, you can tell by his post that there could be a long line of people who will say they knew before BB was even on campus that it was a horrible hire and we were doomed to failure.  They're quick to point it out to everyone else who wanted to give BB a chance, but where are all these bold prognosticators telling Mike "I told you so."  That's what I want to know....   :D 
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Mike Irwin on January 04, 2018, 10:09:35 pm
Getting chewed out by Mike Irwin on Hogville was on my bucket list.  Now I can mark that one off.  Wait a minute.  I think you got me when I said I could make 1 out of 25 shots in a college basketball game after a horrible night of shooting for the hogs.  Yep.  I still think I could luck in 1 out of 25. 

If memory serves me, and it usually does, I believe I heard you mention on the radio more than once that the reason we got beat by Toledo was because Pittman couldn't figure out how to handle their stunts on the defensive line. 

At the time you said it, and you may have even said it here, it struck me as a little bit silly that an experienced offensive line coach couldn't figure out how to block a stunting defensive line from a team that seemed at least at that time to be inferior to us in terms of talent level and status.  In retrospect they were probably superior to us in many ways although we didn't want to admit it at the time.  After hearing this I do remember posting a wide variety of things about Pittman's knowledge about stunts.  I believe that was when I was posting as OTR.  OTR historians can probably dig up some of those doozies.

I hope Alabama doesn't stunt (Not that they need to with a defensive line that looks like extras from a a prison movie working out with heavy barbells in the yard) or Georgia will not have a chance.
It wasn't until after Pittman left following the 2015 season that I learned he had been extremely unhappy that year. It wasn't that Chaney had left for Pitt. It was the public swipe Bielema took at Chaney which Pittman felt was bush league. Did it affect it work? Early in the season I think it did. But he and the O-line did bounce back. That group ended up being the best Bielema had in his five seasons at Arkansas.

At Georgia both Chaney and Pittman have thrived under Kirby Smart. You can't argue with results. Those two played a key role in getting the Bulldogs to the national championship game.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on January 04, 2018, 10:37:59 pm
It wasn't until after Pittman left following the 2015 season that I learned he had been extremely unhappy that year. It wasn't that Chaney had left for Pitt. It was the public swipe Bielema took at Chaney which Pittman felt was bush league. Did it affect it work? Early in the season I think it did. But he and the O-line did bounce back. That group ended up being the best Bielema had in his five seasons at Arkansas.

At Georgia both Chaney and Pittman have thrived under Kirby Smart. You can't argue with results. Those two played a key role in getting the Bulldogs to the national championship game.

The Pittman/Chaney combo proved that they could run the ball.  Our passing attack was just so feeble that we couldn't stop teams from putting 10 in the box.  We could blame a lot of things on that, but that's the fact, regardless of the reasons for it.   

I think we're going to see something similar in the NC game.  Bama will take away the run, play press coverage, and force Fromm to beat them.  I don't see it happening. 

In a nutshell....I think UGA runs what Chaney wanted to do at the UA.  The difference is...much more talent at UGA, and it's enough to beat MOST teams plying that style.  I don't think it will work against Bama, but then again...not much has worked against Bama, unless you have a dynamic playmaker at QB that can offset some of what Saban wants to do. 

At UGA...it's probably enough to win all but 2 games.  At the UA, it was enough to win 7 or 8.  That's my opinion.   
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: jkstock04 on January 04, 2018, 11:08:29 pm
Most of you get it. A few of you are going sit there acting like you know something when you've never developed a QB, never called a play in a game, never even coached.

Jim Chaney is the quarterbacks coach and play caller for one of the top two teams in the country. His quarterback is a true freshman, an incredible accomplishment. And yet the rest of us are suppposed to believe you guys that the man doesn't know what he's doing.  ???



 

So in other words it was a simple coincidence qb play improved tenfold with the transition of Chaney to Enos. Thatís a neat theory.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: urkillnmesmalls on January 04, 2018, 11:18:48 pm
So in other words it was a simple coincidence qb play improved tenfold with the transition of Chaney to Enos. Thatís a neat theory.

Ten fold?  I didn't see that.  I saw our WR play improve dramatically, and I saw BA get more time to throw the ball.  Not sure how much of that was Enos, BB meddling less, or just players getting a year of practice in. 

Chaney was a big PA pass guy.  Still is.  But with no WR's that could get open, we were one dimensional, and everyone stacked the box on us.  Not a recipe for success with his program. 

Enos wanted to employ more screen passes, and faster developing pass plays.  It worked great for the personnel we had.  Really...what it boils down to is, BB never got an O-line that could play at the level needed for his style of play, despite putting them on the program front.  He knows that...admits that, and never overcame it.  On defense...where to start?   :D 
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: SooieGeneris on January 05, 2018, 12:30:48 am
Surely no one even on here believes that Sam Pittman would be the O line coach at a place like UGA, a resume that included a stint of Butch Davis' staff at UNC, and coaching the O lines at two other SEC schools, if he wet his pants at an opponents DL stunts..

Look it up. The Hogs had over 500 yards offense in that game. It's not easy to have that kind of output and only score 10 offensive points. Remember, Toledo took an intentional safety with a minute or so left. The problems were mainly in the red zone and BA had not yet overcome late game problems yet.

That game, as bad as it seemed at the time for the offense, was lost on: SPECIAL TEAMS! Toledo scored their first TD with a short field after blocking a punt. Then, Jared Cornelius ran a punt back for a TD for us, only to have a player hold the PUNTER 10 yards behind the ball as if the guy was going to catch JRed from behind at the 10 or 15 yard line.. one of the biggest bonehead plays imaginable!

Take out those two plays and it's Hogs 17 Toledo 9. At least, but probably more. Not a convincing win mind you, but no one would be talking about line stunts in that game or play calling as it would be just another meh win over two years ago.

That Toledo team was much better than we knew. Yes, Kareem Hunt was suspended and didn't play, but there were a few others in the NFL now like DT Trayvon Hester of the Raiders who did and do you recall who the coach was?

When Iowa State went into Norman and beat OU this season, I couldn't help but think back to what an OU fan told me after that Toledo game. The Hogs were a 21 point favorite and took that team lightly. I told the Sooner fan that Toledo was a good team, better than some in the Big 12 or the bottom of the SEC and that Matt Campbell would soon be showing up at a bigger school.

He laughed and said I was nuts. I made sure and saved a cut out of the Top 25 for him when Toledo appeared in it later that season and won 10 games. He told me OU would never lose to a team as that big a favorite and that coach would be stuck there for years.

I wish I could have seen him as Matt Campbell's Iowa State team beat the heavy favorite OU squad with a 3rd string QB back in October.

As for Chaney, it seemed to me he would get bored and run an off the wall play just to shake things up at times like when we ran a double reverse and fumbled at T Tech in '14. We had been getting 8-10 yards a pop running between the tackles and were about to put the game out of reach. Like me, Brock Huard was not impressed with the call on the telecast.

The biggest problem I had with Chaney was when I read that he didn't work on fundamentals with the QBs like footwork, etc. Even at the NFL level, QBs need to still be reminded of stuff like that. QB camps and the Manning Academy aren't enough for some guys, they have to constantly be working on that.

I didn't hate the guy or celebrate when he left, but had I known it was going to mean the loss of Pittman, I would have been upset. Play calling is the most complained about thing this side of the weather and politicians, but I can put up with a few head scratching calls as I have yet to see a coach gain yards or score on every play.

Both Holtz and Petrino would call plays at times just feeling out the defense to see how they defended it, then hit them with a double move or something different out of the same formation, often resulting in big plays. Nutt wasn't smart enough to do that and I have a feeling BB didn't allow Chaney or Enos enough freedom to do it much.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: PORKULATOR on January 05, 2018, 07:18:21 am
Some of you ladies get your little feelings hurt easily.
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Bunch of pansies with bunched up panties on here.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Mike Irwin on January 05, 2018, 07:58:20 am
So in other words it was a simple coincidence qb play improved tenfold with the transition of Chaney to Enos. Thatís a neat theory.

A total exaggeration. Common here.

Brandon Allen did improve from his junior to senior year just like he improved every other year. But what really helped was the offensive line play that season. Early on, before that line began to come together, BA did struggle. He also benefited from an improved wide receiver corps and a running game that was solid.

If Enos was such an amazing developer of QB's what happened to Austin Allen who regressed for two straight seasons? Anybody with a brain and eyeballs knows what happened. He played behind a horrible offensive line. No way Enos or any other QB coach could overcome that.

You're placing too much in the hands of a position coach. They can help develop a player and some are better than others but there are a lot of factors that go into player development/regression that are beyond the control of a position coach the biggest being the teammates surrounding that player. Chaney, Enos or whoever can't wave a magic wand and make O-linemen that can't pass block or run block suddenly get better.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: BallHog1 on January 05, 2018, 08:00:44 am
I defended Chaney till I was blue in the face on this board. Very few wanted to hear anything about it. As far as Bielema being a "sorry coach" I don't think he is. He brought the wrong philosophy to this school but it took time for that to become obvious. I don't jump to conclusions. I felt like he needed time to make his system work.

At South Carolina it finally hit me. We're five years in and his program is going downhill. Maybe some of you knew it a lot sooner but the nature of my job requires me to be cautious.
As usual you are right Mike. I also defended Chaney but not with a lot of passion as I wanted to believe in BB. Thank you for setting Skandar straight.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Skandar Jackson on January 05, 2018, 08:29:56 am

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Pittman explained the blocking problems pretty clearly tonight. Teams have decided to counter the size of Arkansas offensive line with sideways movement. The linemen have been following them and blocking them as they move. This has resulted in no forward push.

In practice they worked all afternoon on a correction. Tretola: "Not just letting guys go left and right and go where they want to. We want to put 'em where we want 'em to be at."

Pittman explained it further: "There have been a lot of safety blitzes and corner blitzes. If we catch those blitzes and we catch 'em vertically then there's creases but what's been happening, we've just been going with it. We've just been riding them across. We've got to get vertical and when we do we'll cut holes in that thing."   

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Pittman admits he doesn't know if the Red Raiders will employ the same strategy of slants and stunts that Arkansas offensive linemen faced in their first two games of the season but he said they will not be caught flat footed again.

"We are a running football team," Pittman said firmly. "That's what we do. That's who we are and that's what we're going to get back to."


I thought I might find these nugget in the archives.

Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: hawgon on January 05, 2018, 09:06:51 am
Chaney has and had his faults.  They were evident at his stints at Tennessee, Arkansas and last year at Georgia.  I didnít pay enough attention to his time at Pittmto have an opinion about him there.  But that said, the dynamic between he and Bert was bad and made him look worse than he was.

Bielema is terrible with assistants.  The higher the profile of the assistant, the worse he is.  Go back and look at Wisconsin as well as us.  To me it seems to be an ego thing and if an assistant gets too much credit or even publicity, things turn sour.  If the assistant gets the credit Bert seems to want to let everyone know that he deserves some credit too.  If an assistant gets the blame, Bert doesnít defend so much as passive aggressively reinforce that opinion to shift the blame completely to the assistant.  And then when the guy leaves, he really does jump on with both feet.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Skandar Jackson on January 05, 2018, 09:40:50 am
What I wish now is that some member of the media would speak up and address the issue of jelly sandwiches at halftime and why that secret was buried almost as deeply among the media (we all knew it here) as CBB's affinity for hanging out at Ben's apartment. 

CBB was a quirky and flawed coach.  The fact that our media never seemed to question him too strongly until his month speaks to the fact that in Arkansas and a lot of places the Head Coach is on a pedestal and only after that coach is gone does anyone in the media come out with much in the way of criticism.  Most folks on here saw by year three that it seemed unlikely that he would ever win big here but most of us held out hope he could get us to 8 or 9 wins at some point and if he had he might have been the coach here forever. 

Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Redhogs on January 05, 2018, 10:05:51 am
The Pittman/Chaney combo proved that they could run the ball.  Our passing attack was just so feeble that we couldn't stop teams from putting 10 in the box.  We could blame a lot of things on that, but that's the fact, regardless of the reasons for it.   

I think we're going to see something similar in the NC game.  Bama will take away the run, play press coverage, and force Fromm to beat them.  I don't see it happening. 

In a nutshell....I think UGA runs what Chaney wanted to do at the UA.  The difference is...much more talent at UGA, and it's enough to beat MOST teams plying that style.  I don't think it will work against Bama, but then again...not much has worked against Bama, unless you have a dynamic playmaker at QB that can offset some of what Saban wants to do. 

At UGA...it's probably enough to win all but 2 games.  At the UA, it was enough to win 7 or 8.  That's my opinion.   
Good correct analysis...agreed.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: racinghog on January 05, 2018, 10:06:51 am
Chaney has and had his faults.  They were evident at his stints at Tennessee, Arkansas and last year at Georgia.  I didnít pay enough attention to his time at Pittmto have an opinion about him there.  But that said, the dynamic between he and Bert was bad and made him look worse than he was.

Bielema is terrible with assistants.  The higher the profile of the assistant, the worse he is.  Go back and look at Wisconsin as well as us.  To me it seems to be an ego thing and if an assistant gets too much credit or even publicity, things turn sour.  If the assistant gets the credit Bert seems to want to let everyone know that he deserves some credit too.  If an assistant gets the blame, Bert doesnít defend so much as passive aggressively reinforce that opinion to shift the blame completely to the assistant.  And then when the guy leaves, he really does jump on with both feet.
Bielema makes an inordinate number of I-me statements. This has always bothered me. I would rather hear us-we statements.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Inhogswetrust on January 05, 2018, 12:27:17 pm
Bielema makes an inordinate number of I-me statements. This has always bothered me. I would rather hear us-we statements.

The first rule of being in management...................use "we" when credit is to be given. Use "I" when blame needs to be accepted.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Skandar Jackson on January 05, 2018, 02:42:13 pm
The first rule of being in management...................use "we" when credit is to be given. Use "I" when blame needs to be accepted.

I'd rather use you when placing blame.  Good thing I'm not in management.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: HoggyCat on January 05, 2018, 03:24:34 pm
Nobody has mentioned that Bielema

Because no one cares.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: bphi11ips on January 05, 2018, 04:38:51 pm
It has been difficult for Arkansas media to criticize sitting head coaches at Arkansas as long as I've followed the Razorbacks, which is about 50 years.  The culture was established long ago by Frank Broyles, who was a bit of a dictator and pretty thin-skinned himself.  Orville Henry was a brilliant sports journalist, but he was also played a bit of the Joseph Goebbels role for Broyles.  KATV and the Arkansas Gazette were a propaganda machine for the Razorbacks for decades.  That's the culture that Mike Irwin and Wally Hall built their careers in.  It's not a culture unique to Arkansas and the Razorbacks, and it can be useful for promoting a cohesive fanbase.  In short, it is what it is.

It's difficult now to even define media.  It's usually not hard to separate the pros from the wannabes and amateurs, but to some extent, anyone with a smartphone can now publish any comment, opinion, rumor, outlandish story, etc., via "social media".  There are any number of on-line sports websites, blogs, etc., competing for clicks and hoping to create an audience.  Want to be a "journalist" in 2017?  Go outside, find a rock, put your hands on it, look up the heavens, and say "I'm a journalist", and start a blog. 

At a time when "newspapers" are disappearing, it's more important than ever to have professional journalists the public knows it can trust.  Those aren't always going to be the ones with "the scoop", nor are they going to post outrageous nonsense as clickbait.

I don't always agree with Mike Irwin or Wally Hall, but they are professional journalists with credibility.  Don't expect them and other media members with credentials to question every coaching decision.  Occassionally they will, but they have to face these guys in press conferences year after year. 

In retrospect, it's easier for a professional journalist to look back at a guy like Bret Bielema and acknowledge some of the things we discussed here for years, most completely anonymously.  The wacky calls at critical points in the game.  The stubborness in the red zone.  The crazy personnel decisions.  The headscratching refusal to offer some of the best in-state players.  The tendency to throw assistants and players under the bus.  We can say those things on Hogville, and just because we're not professional journalists doesn't mean we're wrong.  But we aren't restricted by the same set of standards or by the well-established Razorbacks media culture, either.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: Bacons Rebellion on January 05, 2018, 05:03:00 pm
I like Chaney's play calling well enough. My problem with Chaney was lack of second half production. This was not simply my perception. Chaney's offensive production declined alarmingly in the second half -- using statistical significance tests, even. (Yes, I was so annoyed with our second half collapses Chaney's last year, I ran ANOVAs and stuff.)

Chaney had showed the same overall pattern at Tennessee. Why? I have no idea, but the data spoke and I was ready to move on from Chaney because would have been useless at that point to want to move on from Bielema. You don't win games in the first half.

Second half performance seemed somewhat better under Enos, but in general the poor second half performances continued, and my obvious  conclusion was, "Well, it wasn't Chaney after all, was it?"
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: rtr on January 05, 2018, 06:35:32 pm
It has been difficult for Arkansas media to criticize sitting head coaches at Arkansas as long as I've followed the Razorbacks, which is about 50 years.  The culture was established long ago by Frank Broyles, who was a bit of a dictator and pretty thin-skinned himself.  Orville Henry was a brilliant sports journalist, but he was also played a bit of the Joseph Goebbels role for Broyles.  KATV and the Arkansas Gazette were a propaganda machine for the Razorbacks for decades.  That's the culture that Mike Irwin and Wally Hall built their careers in.  It's not a culture unique to Arkansas and the Razorbacks, and it can be useful for promoting a cohesive fanbase.  In short, it is what it is.

It's difficult now to even define media.  It's usually not hard to separate the pros from the wannabes and amateurs, but to some extent, anyone with a smartphone can now publish any comment, opinion, rumor, outlandish story, etc., via "social media".  There are any number of on-line sports websites, blogs, etc., competing for clicks and hoping to create an audience.  Want to be a "journalist" in 2017?  Go outside, find a rock, put your hands on it, look up the heavens, and say "I'm a journalist", and start a blog. 

At a time when "newspapers" are disappearing, it's more important than ever to have professional journalists the public knows it can trust.  Those aren't always going to be the ones with "the scoop", nor are they going to post outrageous nonsense as clickbait.

I don't always agree with Mike Irwin or Wally Hall, but they are professional journalists with credibility.  Don't expect them and other media members with credentials to question every coaching decision.  Occassionally they will, but they have to face these guys in press conferences year after year. 

In retrospect, it's easier for a professional journalist to look back at a guy like Bret Bielema and acknowledge some of the things we discussed here for years, most completely anonymously.  The wacky calls at critical points in the game.  The stubborness in the red zone.  The crazy personnel decisions.  The headscratching refusal to offer some of the best in-state players.  The tendency to throw assistants and players under the bus.  We can say those things on Hogville, and just because we're not professional journalists doesn't mean we're wrong.  But we aren't restricted by the same set of standards or by the well-established Razorbacks media culture, either.
Gosh, we have been through a 5 really 6 year nightmare.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: #hammerdown on January 05, 2018, 08:17:59 pm
I like Chaney's play calling well enough. My problem with Chaney was lack of second half production. This was not simply my perception. Chaney's offensive production declined alarmingly in the second half -- using statistical significance tests, even. (Yes, I was so annoyed with our second half collapses Chaney's last year, I ran ANOVAs and stuff.)

Chaney had showed the same overall pattern at Tennessee. Why? I have no idea, but the data spoke and I was ready to move on from Chaney because would have been useless at that point to want to move on from Bielema. You don't win games in the first half.

Second half performance seemed somewhat better under Enos, but in general the poor second half performances continued, and my obvious  conclusion was, "Well, it wasn't Chaney after all, was it?"

Maybe the poor second half performances had more to do with the coach that stayed than the ones he changed.  I like Enos.  But I genuinely believe if BB would have left Chaney and Pittman alone we would have had a really good offense by now.  However, I also agree that BB was too involved in the defense.  With different DC's we still basically looked the same over the long haul.

Beliema's shot at Chaney was the end of Pittman IMO.  He stayed until he could find a better gig but his recruiting fell off drastically.  Beliema's best recruiter was the Oline coach but we under recruited number for the line at a horrendous level. 

Beliema and Beliema alone is responsible for the downward spiral of the team.  I have no doubt he thought he knew what it would take to build it.  He simply was wrong.  His handling of assistant coaches led to that downfall.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 07, 2018, 04:05:25 pm
I don't know what happened here but Chaney has done an exceptional job with the true freshman QB at Georgia.

You mean Chaney failed to prepare a top national QB out of highschool and brought in another.  I'm not sure one is owed too much credit here for getting Fromm to where they are today.  Both Fromm and Eason could have gone to any college they wanted, top what, 50 players? and were top Pro style passing QB's coming out of High school. 
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 07, 2018, 04:10:27 pm
Most of you get it. A few of you are going sit there acting like you know something when you've never developed a QB, never called a play in a game, never even coached.

Jim Chaney is the quarterbacks coach and play caller for one of the top two teams in the country. His quarterback is a true freshman, an incredible accomplishment. And yet the rest of us are suppposed to believe you guys that the man doesn't know what he's doing.  ???

So the guy is 1 out of 2 for making top nationally ranked QB's worth anything?  I thought recruiting ranks mattered?

The truth is somewhere between what Mike says and what the others say.  Chaney IMO isn't that great, the guy can get in his own way at times.  He is doing what he is doing with 2 or possibly 3 NFL rb's, one of the top 3 best O lines in college football, and one of the top 5 defense in college football.  Perspective can be a rude B sometimes.  IF it weren't for those RB's and O line busting big plays during the Okl game, Chaney would be watching the National championship game from his TV.  That being said, he is in the national championship game. Lets see what he does against Saban.
Title: Re: Nobody mentioned Bielema on Film Room
Post by: onebadrubi on January 07, 2018, 04:13:25 pm
what I did not like about the whole bret era, was the constant lying to cover up crab that was going on. like it takes 3 years to get the offense in. well, chaney is winning with a true freshman qb, in his second year as oc at Georgia.

it was just one cover up lie after another up there.

Excuses, some use them to cover up their inabilities.  They also get use to using them.