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hobhog

Quote from: Surfing8 on July 28, 2017, 12:13:17 pm
Have watched the Razorbacks since the early 70s, and I do indeed remember the program being relevant on a more regular basis.

Comparatively speaking - when looking with a broad historical perspective Petrino was a 'good' Razorback coach in a similar vein to peers from yesteryear.

Comparatively speaking - when looking at recent history Petrino as a Razorback coach is easily defined as 'the shizz'. 

Barry Switzer was a punk. 
Jimmy Johnson was a punk.
Woody Hayes was a punk.

All winners.

Wow. That's some lofty comparisons right there. And completely undeserved.

GuvHog

Quote from: gchamblee on July 28, 2017, 10:22:00 am
Guv, I give you a lot of crap here on hogville, and I read your post the other day about why you had to discontinue your season tickets. I just want to take a moment to say that regardless of how much we argue on hogville, I admire your commitment and sacrifice to your family. You're a good man and if I were to run into you in a bar one night I would be honored to buy you a beer and just sit and chat.

I greatly appreciate that but I don't drink. I would be happy to have a glass of Iced Tea while you have your beer and talk with you sometime though.
Bleeding Razorback Red Since Birth!!!

 

hobhog

Quote from: elviscat on July 28, 2017, 10:56:00 am
This is a great read and true report about OM.

Arrogance - The Rise and Fall of Hugh Freeze


Arrogance - The Rise and Fall of Hugh Freeze
Elitedawgs.com

July 26, 2017

Unless you have been under a rock or in a coma, you have heard about the unceremonious firing resignation of former Ole Miss Coach Hugh Freeze. How could such a fine Christian man, who was as practically as pure as the Virgin Mary, fall from his perch high atop his pedestal in Oxford? Arrogance, that's how.

Arrogance, you ask? Yes, arrogance.

After a disastrous 2010 season, the Ole Miss fan base fractured, and in the Summer of 2011, a group known as Forward Rebels was born. This group took out full page ads in newspapers across the state and in Memphis, noting that The Ole Miss Administration is the problem. The Forward Rebels agenda was to get AD Pete Boone to do what they wanted, or to get him replaced. The message was clear, Forward Rebels wanted to win, and win big now, not just field competitive teams. The back to back New Years Day bowl wins from 2008-2009 were a distant memory. Arrogance.

freezearticle1.jpg




By November of 2011, AD Pete Boone retired and head coach Houston Nutt resigned as head coach, and a committee was formed to find a new head coach. Forward Rebels apparently had someone's undivided attention. Archie Manning and Fed Ex executive Mike Glenn co-chaired the selection committee. On December 6th, 2011, The Bleacher Report published an article, Ole Miss Football 2011: With Hugh Freeze Hire, Archie Manning Chooses Sides. Some excerpts from that article:

No matter the failures of the last few decades, the powers that be inside The Lyceum had recognized their limitations and had committed to not just helping Ole Miss football recover from the implosion of the Houston Nutt Era, they were calling to arms Rebel Nation, pledging a crusade to recapture the glory of a past long since seen, though hardly forgotten.

The decision was made - win and win now, no matter what the cost may be. Arrogance.

The double-secret-to-the-pain-of-death nature with which the search committee protected its actions made news by itself. There were no leaks from either Manning or his co-chair, Fed Ex executive Mike Glenn, no gauging the temperature on prospective coaches, no off-the-record-wink-nudge details that found their way into either digital or paper print.
...
The committee's silence and absolute control of information created a vacuum - an empty space filled not just with the absurdity of Internet message boards or regional radio talk shows and their "sources," but that also allowed for interest to be shown - and then publicly debated - by what should have been legitimate candidates like Mike Leach or Rich Rodriguez.

Absolute control of information - the message - #TheNarrative was born. You will know what we want you to know, when and if we want you to know it. Arrogance.


When asked at Freeze's introductory press conference who else was interviewed for the position, Glenn claimed a confidentiality agreement between parties prevented him from revealing who was interviewed.

He was absolutely right in that assertion.

When a follow-up question asked how many candidates were interviewed, Glenn claimed the same agreement.

No way should he get a pass on that.

Any athletic program worth its salt should protect the names of interviewees to guard them - and the program - from tangential storylines. But for a person in charge of a search that resulted in the hire of - at least on paper - a suspect candidate, to avoid divulging the total number of candidates interviewed is contemptible.


The mindset was clearly to control the message, without exception. Arrogance.


Hugh Freeze worked tirelessly to promote himself as a virtuous man, a dedicated Christian, a family man. Apparently Freeze subscribed to the Vladimir Lenin philosophy that a lie told often enough becomes the truth. Arrogance.

After managing to win six games and become bowl eligible in 2012, presumably Forward Rebels and the entire administration at Ole Miss dove head first "all-in" with the coaching staff. This ushered in the infamous 2013 recruiting class, featuring ESPN's #1 player in the nation, Robert Nkemdiche, #1 rated OL Laremy Tunsil, and #1 rated WR Laquon Treadwell, all of whom were out of state recruits. Tunsil, a Georgia commit, and Treadwell had no ties to Ole Miss. The evil Houston Nutt had planted a seed by signing Nkemdiche's younger brother Denzel, which may have helped with recruiting Robert Nkemdiche. These three could have gone to any college they wanted to, but they all ended up at Ole Miss, who had just struggled to become bowl eligible in 2012. A tweet from Laquon Treadwell offered some insight as to why he liked Oxford. Surely these were Ole Miss co-eds escorting Treadwell, right?

freezearticle2.jpg


That 2013 recruiting class garnered national attention, and not in a good way. How exactly did Ole Miss, a team that had won a combined 12 games in the previous three seasons, land a top 5 recruiting class? Rumors were everywhere, social media, message boards, and Freeze absolutely did not like the negative attention. Assuming he and #TheNetwork had sufficiently covered their tracks, Freeze sent out a tweet and challenged the world. Arrogance.


freezearticle3.jpg


The world listened, and Ole Miss compliance was bombarded with 85 emails containing information about violations. Clarion Ledger Ole Miss beat writer Riley Blevins had asked a few questions, and was promptly shown the exit door from Ole Miss, Mississippi and his profession, which sent warning shots over the heads of any other reporter who dare challenged #TheNarrative. Arrogance.

The only reporter that would dare touch this was Kyle Veazey of the Memphis Commercial Appeal. Veazey submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to Ole Miss, requesting the 85 emails, which are considered legally as public records. Ole Miss sent Veazey 54 of the emails, but withheld 31 of them. Control the message. Media assimilate or you are the next Riley Blevins. Arrogance.

For the next three seasons, Ole Miss and Freeze charged ahead, all in, despite an ongoing NCAA investigation. In January of 2016, days before National Signing Day, an official holiday in Oxford, Ole Miss was formally charged by the NCAA in a Notice of Allegations. The 2016 signing class was in jeopardy, so Ole Miss and Freeze doubled down by telling numerous media outlets that most of the allegations were either related to Women's basketball or track. Of those related to football, they occurred under the previous coach Houston Nutt. Freeze had the arrogance to lie in the face of recruits. In the words of then recruit Deontay Anderson "he (Freeze) said it was about things that had happened in the past before he got to Ole Miss"







For five years, the SEC had to endure the Cult of Freeze, defending him blindly without exception. In state media, either coerced by the treatment of Riley Blevins, or complicit with Ole Miss and Freeze, largely ignored the story, and would not investigate. Despite a second NOA of the NCAA in 2017, Ole Miss and Freeze continued marching forward, sticking to party lines. #TheNarrative began to unravel with the second NOA. Houston Nutt asked the school to apologize for blaming him for Freeze's NCAA issues, and the school refused. Nutt noted in one radio interview that "my name appears zero times in their NOA". The arrogance continued.

At the 2017 SEC Media Days, all of that would change. The day Freeze was set to appear, Nutt filed a lawsuit in federal court alleging that Ole Miss had violated the terms of his contract when they threw him under the bus. Freeze told Paul Finebaum that he did not know anything about the lawsuit. Trying to avoid questions, Freeze filibustered endlessly trying to chew up his time at the podium. Freeze goes on to tell reporters that he would love to talk about the Nutt lawsuit, but he cannot, absolutely contradicting what he had just told Paul Finebaum minutes earlier. Arrogance.

Nutt's lawsuit alleges that Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze went on a full court press just before national signing day, purposefully leaking a false narrative to intentionally blame Nutt. Phone records apparently indicate this. Outkick the Coverage writer Clay Travis noted, Ole Miss will settle this before further damage can be done. #TheNarrative completely unraveled.

Things would change dramatically when it was discovered that Hugh Freeze had called an escort service on his university issued cell phone. Ole Miss, whom had been in lock step with Freeze fighting the NCAA, abruptly gave Freeze the option to resign or be fired. AD Ross Bjork would go on to say that there was a disturbing pattern discovered after reviewing Freeze's phone records. In the NOA, lack of institutional control and failure to monitor appear. It appears Ole Miss opted to sacrifice Freeze before additional damage could be done.

Ole Miss had refused to publish the names of boosters named in the NCAA NOA, some of which have been disassociated from the University. That will change on Friday, as the Mississippi Ethics Commission has forced Ole Miss to release the documents with the booster names no redacted. #TheNetwork will be exposed.

Arrogance U will have its day with the Committee on Infractions later this year. Based upon previous behavior, Ole Miss will try to say they cut ties with Freeze and they should not be punished. The NCAA will absolutely not accept that for an answer, as Ole Miss has completely argued that Freeze was such a fine, outstanding moral man, and this was all simply mistakes.

Had Ole Miss and Freeze issued apologies to Houston Nutt, odds are Freeze is still the head coach today. The very arrogance they have ridden with building Hugh Freeze up for five years has led to their downfall.

So will the boosters named in the NOA be released today as the article states?

hogsanity

Quote from: GuvHog on July 28, 2017, 08:50:17 am
When they belittle what was accomplished during those 2 years, they belittle the players as well as the coach.

It is not belittling the accomplishment to point out they had been done before. To act like what BP did was new is to belittle what had come before. He had 2 really good seasons, no one is denying that, but those seasons were not any different than seasons had by HDN, Hatfield, Holtz, and Broyles.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

GuvHog

Quote from: hogsanity on July 28, 2017, 01:35:04 pm
It is not belittling the accomplishment to point out they had been done before. To act like what BP did was new is to belittle what had come before. He had 2 really good seasons, no one is denying that, but those seasons were not any different than seasons had by HDN, Hatfield, Holtz, and Broyles.

Only Broyles, Holtz, and Petrino had teams that finished the season ranked in the top 5. Hatfield did not. Hatfield's teams did have some good seasons though, which I very much enjoyed. When I mention the top 5 finish in 2011, I mention it as an accomplishment that hadn't happened since the year Holtz's Hogs beat the Sooners in the Orange Bowl and finished #2 in the nation. Is the 2011 top 5 finish as good as that #2 final ranking after that Orange Bowl?? Of course not but that 2011 top 5 finish is the closest the Hogs have come to that ranking since that time. For me it's more about the team than it is the Head coach and if Bret Bielema's Hogs pull off a top 25 finish this year, I will be ecstatic.
Bleeding Razorback Red Since Birth!!!

bphi11ips

Quote from: hobhog on July 28, 2017, 01:11:39 pm
Wow. That's some lofty comparisons right there. And completely undeserved.

                                                                                                   Shizz factor    Punk factor

Woody Hayes - 5 National Championships                                                  10                           5
Barry Switzer - 3 National Championships; 1 Super Bowl Win                       9                            3
Jimmy Johnson - 1 National Championship; 2 Super Bowl Wins                    9                            4         
Bobby Petrino - 0 National Championships;  NFL record - 3-10                      5                           11



Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

bphi11ips

Quote from: Surfing8 on July 28, 2017, 02:04:57 pm
Lol

Those 3 were at OSU, OU and the U.  Petrino has been at Louisville and Arkansas (and Atlanta since NFL was thrown in).  A BIT different.

If you think you've made a case for any of them being less of a kind as football coaches you're wrong.

One core difference is the leeway the former 3 were given at their programs in how they conducted their business.  All (Jimmy included unfortunately) would have been run out of Arkansas within short order under this administration.

You know what opinions are like, right?  Make your case.

Pretend those bowls were full of vomit.  Which one would represent Petrino?
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

nchogg

Quote from: elviscat on July 28, 2017, 10:56:00 am
This is a great read and true report about OM.

Arrogance - The Rise and Fall of Hugh Freeze


Arrogance - The Rise and Fall of Hugh Freeze
Elitedawgs.com

July 26, 2017

Unless you have been under a rock or in a coma, you have heard about the unceremonious firing resignation of former Ole Miss Coach Hugh Freeze. How could such a fine Christian man, who was as practically as pure as the Virgin Mary, fall from his perch high atop his pedestal in Oxford? Arrogance, that's how.

Arrogance, you ask? Yes, arrogance.

After a disastrous 2010 season, the Ole Miss fan base fractured, and in the Summer of 2011, a group known as Forward Rebels was born. This group took out full page ads in newspapers across the state and in Memphis, noting that The Ole Miss Administration is the problem. The Forward Rebels agenda was to get AD Pete Boone to do what they wanted, or to get him replaced. The message was clear, Forward Rebels wanted to win, and win big now, not just field competitive teams. The back to back New Years Day bowl wins from 2008-2009 were a distant memory. Arrogance.

freezearticle1.jpg




By November of 2011, AD Pete Boone retired and head coach Houston Nutt resigned as head coach, and a committee was formed to find a new head coach. Forward Rebels apparently had someone's undivided attention. Archie Manning and Fed Ex executive Mike Glenn co-chaired the selection committee. On December 6th, 2011, The Bleacher Report published an article, Ole Miss Football 2011: With Hugh Freeze Hire, Archie Manning Chooses Sides. Some excerpts from that article:

No matter the failures of the last few decades, the powers that be inside The Lyceum had recognized their limitations and had committed to not just helping Ole Miss football recover from the implosion of the Houston Nutt Era, they were calling to arms Rebel Nation, pledging a crusade to recapture the glory of a past long since seen, though hardly forgotten.

The decision was made - win and win now, no matter what the cost may be. Arrogance.

The double-secret-to-the-pain-of-death nature with which the search committee protected its actions made news by itself. There were no leaks from either Manning or his co-chair, Fed Ex executive Mike Glenn, no gauging the temperature on prospective coaches, no off-the-record-wink-nudge details that found their way into either digital or paper print.
...
The committee's silence and absolute control of information created a vacuum - an empty space filled not just with the absurdity of Internet message boards or regional radio talk shows and their "sources," but that also allowed for interest to be shown - and then publicly debated - by what should have been legitimate candidates like Mike Leach or Rich Rodriguez.

Absolute control of information - the message - #TheNarrative was born. You will know what we want you to know, when and if we want you to know it. Arrogance.


When asked at Freeze's introductory press conference who else was interviewed for the position, Glenn claimed a confidentiality agreement between parties prevented him from revealing who was interviewed.

He was absolutely right in that assertion.

When a follow-up question asked how many candidates were interviewed, Glenn claimed the same agreement.

No way should he get a pass on that.

Any athletic program worth its salt should protect the names of interviewees to guard them - and the program - from tangential storylines. But for a person in charge of a search that resulted in the hire of - at least on paper - a suspect candidate, to avoid divulging the total number of candidates interviewed is contemptible.


The mindset was clearly to control the message, without exception. Arrogance.


Hugh Freeze worked tirelessly to promote himself as a virtuous man, a dedicated Christian, a family man. Apparently Freeze subscribed to the Vladimir Lenin philosophy that a lie told often enough becomes the truth. Arrogance.

After managing to win six games and become bowl eligible in 2012, presumably Forward Rebels and the entire administration at Ole Miss dove head first "all-in" with the coaching staff. This ushered in the infamous 2013 recruiting class, featuring ESPN's #1 player in the nation, Robert Nkemdiche, #1 rated OL Laremy Tunsil, and #1 rated WR Laquon Treadwell, all of whom were out of state recruits. Tunsil, a Georgia commit, and Treadwell had no ties to Ole Miss. The evil Houston Nutt had planted a seed by signing Nkemdiche's younger brother Denzel, which may have helped with recruiting Robert Nkemdiche. These three could have gone to any college they wanted to, but they all ended up at Ole Miss, who had just struggled to become bowl eligible in 2012. A tweet from Laquon Treadwell offered some insight as to why he liked Oxford. Surely these were Ole Miss co-eds escorting Treadwell, right?

freezearticle2.jpg


That 2013 recruiting class garnered national attention, and not in a good way. How exactly did Ole Miss, a team that had won a combined 12 games in the previous three seasons, land a top 5 recruiting class? Rumors were everywhere, social media, message boards, and Freeze absolutely did not like the negative attention. Assuming he and #TheNetwork had sufficiently covered their tracks, Freeze sent out a tweet and challenged the world. Arrogance.


freezearticle3.jpg


The world listened, and Ole Miss compliance was bombarded with 85 emails containing information about violations. Clarion Ledger Ole Miss beat writer Riley Blevins had asked a few questions, and was promptly shown the exit door from Ole Miss, Mississippi and his profession, which sent warning shots over the heads of any other reporter who dare challenged #TheNarrative. Arrogance.

The only reporter that would dare touch this was Kyle Veazey of the Memphis Commercial Appeal. Veazey submitted a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to Ole Miss, requesting the 85 emails, which are considered legally as public records. Ole Miss sent Veazey 54 of the emails, but withheld 31 of them. Control the message. Media assimilate or you are the next Riley Blevins. Arrogance.

For the next three seasons, Ole Miss and Freeze charged ahead, all in, despite an ongoing NCAA investigation. In January of 2016, days before National Signing Day, an official holiday in Oxford, Ole Miss was formally charged by the NCAA in a Notice of Allegations. The 2016 signing class was in jeopardy, so Ole Miss and Freeze doubled down by telling numerous media outlets that most of the allegations were either related to Women's basketball or track. Of those related to football, they occurred under the previous coach Houston Nutt. Freeze had the arrogance to lie in the face of recruits. In the words of then recruit Deontay Anderson "he (Freeze) said it was about things that had happened in the past before he got to Ole Miss"







For five years, the SEC had to endure the Cult of Freeze, defending him blindly without exception. In state media, either coerced by the treatment of Riley Blevins, or complicit with Ole Miss and Freeze, largely ignored the story, and would not investigate. Despite a second NOA of the NCAA in 2017, Ole Miss and Freeze continued marching forward, sticking to party lines. #TheNarrative began to unravel with the second NOA. Houston Nutt asked the school to apologize for blaming him for Freeze's NCAA issues, and the school refused. Nutt noted in one radio interview that "my name appears zero times in their NOA". The arrogance continued.

At the 2017 SEC Media Days, all of that would change. The day Freeze was set to appear, Nutt filed a lawsuit in federal court alleging that Ole Miss had violated the terms of his contract when they threw him under the bus. Freeze told Paul Finebaum that he did not know anything about the lawsuit. Trying to avoid questions, Freeze filibustered endlessly trying to chew up his time at the podium. Freeze goes on to tell reporters that he would love to talk about the Nutt lawsuit, but he cannot, absolutely contradicting what he had just told Paul Finebaum minutes earlier. Arrogance.

Nutt's lawsuit alleges that Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze went on a full court press just before national signing day, purposefully leaking a false narrative to intentionally blame Nutt. Phone records apparently indicate this. Outkick the Coverage writer Clay Travis noted, Ole Miss will settle this before further damage can be done. #TheNarrative completely unraveled.

Things would change dramatically when it was discovered that Hugh Freeze had called an escort service on his university issued cell phone. Ole Miss, whom had been in lock step with Freeze fighting the NCAA, abruptly gave Freeze the option to resign or be fired. AD Ross Bjork would go on to say that there was a disturbing pattern discovered after reviewing Freeze's phone records. In the NOA, lack of institutional control and failure to monitor appear. It appears Ole Miss opted to sacrifice Freeze before additional damage could be done.

Ole Miss had refused to publish the names of boosters named in the NCAA NOA, some of which have been disassociated from the University. That will change on Friday, as the Mississippi Ethics Commission has forced Ole Miss to release the documents with the booster names no redacted. #TheNetwork will be exposed.

Arrogance U will have its day with the Committee on Infractions later this year. Based upon previous behavior, Ole Miss will try to say they cut ties with Freeze and they should not be punished. The NCAA will absolutely not accept that for an answer, as Ole Miss has completely argued that Freeze was such a fine, outstanding moral man, and this was all simply mistakes.

Had Ole Miss and Freeze issued apologies to Houston Nutt, odds are Freeze is still the head coach today. The very arrogance they have ridden with building Hugh Freeze up for five years has led to their downfall.
Very well written, enjoyed the read.

KlubhouseKonnected

Quote from: hobhog on July 28, 2017, 01:24:35 pm
So will the boosters named in the NOA be released today as the article states?

Your quote has me curious about how they were not, or if they were then at least how they legally were able to deny, flooded by FOI requests concerning potential candidates contacted in the coaching search.

Unless Mississippi's FOIA is very different than Arkansas's I cannot think of any exemption that would protect such documents from disclosure. At least not off the top of my head.
If Auburn is dirty so is Gus. You can't have it both ways. Deal with it.

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: Surfing8 on July 28, 2017, 02:04:57 pm
Lol

Those 3 were at OSU, OU and the U.  Petrino has been at Louisville and Arkansas (and Atlanta since NFL was thrown in).  A BIT different.

If you think you've made a case for any of them being less of a kind as football coaches you're wrong.

One core difference is the leeway the former 3 were given at their programs in how they conducted their business.  All (Jimmy included unfortunately) would have been run out of Arkansas within short order under this administration.

Probably not during the eras in which they coached college football. With so much more media coverage, everyone on Social Media and being able to post anything at any time, the popularity of anyone being able to take advantage of the FOIA and the advent of political correctness, it has made it more difficult for Coaching staffs and teams to get away with things. Back in the day...well, we don't know 1/3 of what went on within teams, with players and with Coaches.
Go Hogs Go!

bphi11ips

Here's a nice little fluff piece from late last year probably put out by BP's publicity team:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/1/9/5288648/bobby-petrino-louisville-scandal-timeline

I like the quote from the anonymous SEC coach.
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

ricepig


hobhog


 

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: GuvHog on July 28, 2017, 08:35:58 am
With me it's just the opposite. I was born in 1955 and I remember those Frank Broyles years and Watching them win that national title on TV as a young boy. Yeah Petrino was a jerk and he screwed up big time off of the field but his record at Arkansas that includes back to back #12 and #5 national finishes speaks for it's self. With that #5 national finish, he and those Hogs accomplished something that hadn't been done since Lou Holtz's Hogs beat Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl and finished #2 in the nation. I'm sick and tired of some getting on here and belittling what those Hogs accomplished in those 2 years. Some of you have very short memories.

You have selective memory. You want to remember all the good with BP but none of the bad. Yes those Hogs those two years did great. But the underlying issues with the coach were to big to ignore and he deserved what he got. That does NOT diminish the teams accomplishments those two years. If anything those years exacerbates the disdain for BP for doing so good on the filed to only screw things up so bad off it. And YES off the field stuff does matter.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

"Why some people are so drawn to the irrational is something that has always puzzled me" - James Randi

theFlyingHog

Quote from: hobhog on July 28, 2017, 05:53:33 pm
Be interesting to see the reaction to this from OM media.
I bet more than one of them are looking for around Starkville

Hogwild

How stupid can their athletic dept be?  Why of all things tweet that





Note: it has since been deleted, when one of the LSU recruiting sites tweeted "True, but we do know your price for linebackers"

HogFoo

Quote from: Al Boarland on July 23, 2017, 04:57:19 pm
http://gridironnow.com/ole-miss-primary-problem-problem-self-perception/
i do not agree with this article in the sense that you cant have success that you just have to give up and just be a loser.  I mean, that's basically what he is saying.  And then he labels Arkansas in the same light??

  Now, i will say that when we were going thru the early 90's and lost to the citadel.  etc..etc..  Danny ford came.. and then we won in 95' but then lost...  i actually would have kind of agreed with this article.  But then, we started trending upward.  Ford could recruit, but he was really just burnt out. Hell, he didn't even care to remember what the players names were!  he'd just call them by their jersey.. " ole 95 and 84 had good games today....''   i mean, he didn't care.    Then, we had  ole Hootie step in.  Like him or not, he could definitely fire up someone elses' players!  ha ha.. and he did!   

If Hootie could have simply told Stoerner to just take a damn knee!!  we probably would have played for a NC his first year!  And, actually, we could have probably repeated for a NC again the next year.   And we probably could have won a title again in 2003, and again in 06' and had Nutt not been such a dbag and let Gus call the plays  we probably would have won it again in 07'!   In fact, Nutt would probably still be the dang coach right now if he would have just stepped back like he said he would!   Which, hey that's fine, shizz happens.     But, just look at those years.  We could have won a title any of those years.   Which, it so happens that the SEC turned into the toughest conf. league in america around this time as well...  And then, We got Petrino.   Nutt, showed us we were better than a 4 or 5win team...  Petrino came in and not only showed us that we were better, but we could actually compete for the SEC title and a NC! He was so good that he put that kind of expectations in the fan base!    Like petrino or hate him, i personally will always be grateful that he came here and showed us what you could do at Arkansas!   Now, he made mistakes, BIG ONES!   And yes, we had major setbacks with his departure and also with the hiring and firing of  JL smith!  Hiring JL smith was probably the worst hire in college sports that i can think of!  ha ha..  seriously!   He didn't recruit.. and then when we cut him loose, we only gave Bielema what, 3weeks to recruit before signing day???  Which, he came in in short time and really did an excellent job in such a short time!  But, when you think about it, you just almost have to skip that year, when you think of recruiting, since it was so short...

Moving to the power run pro style that Bielema wants to use takes time..  the most important position is OL in this style of play.  Which, looked good until we lose our best recruiter/coach Pittman who happened to be our OL coach!!  Then we realise that Pittman really didn't try the last year he was at Arkansas pretty much since after his butt buddy Chaney got fired.  Pittman really didnt reruit that last year.  So, basically, we missed another year with getting the players we absolutely NEED to run Bielema's offense!    Then in stepped Anderson, who most say is a great teaching coach.   the book is still out on how good of a recruiter he is..  but we have got some highly rated instate OL guys to commit so far.  so that looks better....

But it just takes time.. We are slowly climbing the ladder... again...  it almost seems like whenever we do cross a line of resistance, we always seem to fall back a bit before that level becomes a level of support..   this season to me will go a long way for Bielema and for our fan base in proving on whether we have hit another level of Resistance, or whether we have broken thru that and now are at a base of support.    This season is very important!   Everyone knows that!  I think the players know that as well! 

But as for me..  i don't agree with this article especially when it mentions Arkansas.   Winning has taken place here before! We were a Juggernaut before... as for that matter... so was ole miss back in the day..   i believe it can be done here again!   i believe winning at the highest level could have been done under Nutt.... winning at the highest level would have been done under Petrino, and i also am one to believe that winning at the highest level will be done under Bielema.  It has taken longer so far under Bielema.  But, once it gets there, i do believe it will be more sustaining. i dont think we'll ever have to worry about a scandal of any sort under Bielema.  I also believe that Bielema will get us to being a perennial overall top 4  team in the SEC eventually.  And being a perennial top 4 SEC team will always be a perennial top 20 AP team.     

So again... i do not agree with the article as it pertains to Arkansas.  The right coach plays as much into it as anything.  Look at Boise St when they had Chris peterson.  Does anyone feel like their fans didn't think they were similar to bama or any of the other teams mentioned in the article?    they'd compete with nearly everyone.  And when they beat OU ,it was one of my alltime fav. games.  ha ha..  Now, they have been taken down a notch since Peterson left.  But,  winning is just an attitude..  it's making the least mistakes and capitalizing on teams when they make mistakes.. its not having penalties,  it's making the right play calls.   it's when planning meets preparation meets opportunity.  And any team can do that!   And any fan base can have that for the most part.   I will say, not every team can be at that level..  but a lot more can be than just a few! And Arkansas can be in the same group with those mentioned!
Basketball is back, baseball always, football was a dumpster fire once again..... but as the phoenix rose from the ashes, BMF Petrino has risen again!!! Lots to look forward to.  <br /><br />As the rain falls, I realize, that some where out there, some one, is wearing a mask while they shower............

bphi11ips

Hogfoo YOU ARE DA MAN!!!!  That may be one of the best, most honest, most accurate posts I've read on Hogville in years.
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bphi11ips

July 28, 2017, 09:44:04 pm #218 Last Edit: July 28, 2017, 10:09:42 pm by bphi11ips
Quote from: Surfing8 on July 28, 2017, 06:25:43 pm
You're amazingly bitter about Petrino.  It's fascinating.

Louisville is preseason #12 in the country.  In the meantime we're... yeah.

How does that stupendous A-hole stay relevant??!?!!?
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How did this thread get Petrino mixed into it anyway?




Lol.  I'm not bitter about Petrino at all. HogFoo is right, but I think you and the other Petrino lovers overestimate him as a coach. His highest and best use is as an OC. He's number 12 with a Heisman QB returning. What does that tell you?  He lost to Kentucky and got pummeled by Houston and LSU to end last season.  He took a giant dump on the Razorbacks, yet you and many others continue to pine away for him.

The quote from an SEC coach in that article is spot on. Bret Bielema has the program close to where it needs to be to sustain success with balanced recruiting and depth working its way into the upper classmen. You just don't have the patience or faith to figure that out.

P.S. -  Just read another post by my new favorite Hogvillian, HogFoo.  Like him, I'm a sunshine pumper by nature but don't mind peeing in cornflakes on occassion.  Your cornflakes don't deserve milk. 
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

GuvHog

Quote from: bphi11ips on July 28, 2017, 09:44:04 pm
Lol.  I'm not bitter about Petrino at all. HogFoo is right, but I think you and the other Petrino lovers overestimate him as a coach. His highest and best use is as an OC. He's number 12 with a Heisman QB returning. What does that tell you?  He lost to Kentucky and got pummeled by Houston and LSU to end last season.  He took a giant dump on the Razorbacks, yet you and many others continue to pine away for him.

The quote from an SEC coach in that article is spot on. Bret Bielema has the program close to where it needs to be to sustain success with balanced recruiting and depth working its way into the upper classmen. You just don't have the patience or faith to figure that out.

P.S. -  Just read another post by my new favorite Hogvillian, HogFoo.  Like him, I'm a sunshine pumper by nature but don't mind peeing in cornflakes on occassion.  Your cornflakes don't deserve milk. 

It's pretty low of you to ridicule Louisville for being ranked #12 in the nation when Arkansas isn't ranked at all. You say you're not bitter but posts like that reek of bitterness.
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July 29, 2017, 09:15:44 am #220 Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 09:46:39 am by bphi11ips
Quote from: GuvHog on July 29, 2017, 06:49:36 am
It's pretty low of you to ridicule Louisville for being ranked #12 in the nation when Arkansas isn't ranked at all. You say you're not bitter but posts like that reek of bitterness.

Gov - do you think you're making any sense?
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Inhogswetrust

Quote from: Surfing8 on July 28, 2017, 06:25:43 pm
You're amazingly bitter about Petrino.  It's fascinating.

Louisville is preseason #12 in the country.  In the meantime we're... yeah.

How does that stupendous A-hole stay relevant??!?!!?
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How did this thread get Petrino mixed into it anyway?




A lot of people are bitter abut BP and what he did. That doesn't diminish the players accomplishments while he was here. As far as the thread getting Petrino mixed into it then don't respond with a post with his name in it if you don't like that it has happened.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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Inhogswetrust

Quote from: bphi11ips on July 29, 2017, 09:15:44 am
Gov - do you think you're making in sense?

Guv thinks so...............most everyone else thinks no he doesn't.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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GuvHog

Bleeding Razorback Red Since Birth!!!

 

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: GuvHog on July 29, 2017, 09:27:26 am


Yes, I'm making sense.

In Guv world.................in the other worlds not so much.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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GuvHog

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on July 29, 2017, 09:19:43 am
A lot of people are bitter abut BP and what he did. That doesn't diminish the players accomplishments while he was here. As far as the thread getting Petrino mixed into it then don't respond with a post with his name in it if you don't like that it has happened.

Yet when someone mentions the records of 2010 and 2012 along with the #12 and #5 back to back national final rankings there are people on this board who continuously belittle what was accomplished in those 2 years by those teams solely because of who the head coach was. Yes the then Head Coach was a jerk and screwed up royally but that has nothing to do with what was accomplished those 2 years with a clean run program and those accomplishments shouldn't be belittled.
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Inhogswetrust

Quote from: GuvHog on July 29, 2017, 09:36:58 am
Yet when someone mentions the records of 2010 and 2012 along with the #12 and #5 back to back national final rankings there are people on this board who continuously belittle what was accomplished in those 2 years by those teams solely because of who the head coach was. Yes the then Head Coach was a jerk and screwed up royally but that has nothing to do with what was accomplished those 2 years with a clean run program and those accomplishments shouldn't be belittled.

Ummm please provide proof of that belittlement. I haven't heard ANYBODY belittle those teams accomplishments. Maybe in Guv world they do but not in the real world.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

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bphi11ips

July 29, 2017, 09:53:48 am #227 Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 10:38:33 am by bphi11ips
Quote from: Inhogswetrust on July 29, 2017, 09:43:12 am
Ummm please provide proof of that belittlement. I haven't heard ANYBODY belittle those teams accomplishments. Maybe in Guv world they do but not in the real world.

That's why he makes no sense.  Personally, I don't care enough about Petrino to be bitter, and I doubt anyone else does.  But I do occassionally enjoy tweaking his acolytes who derail threads here to belittle the current AD and head coach with their incessant whining.  And I said the same things about Petrino that the SEC coach said while Petrino was coaching here, so I figure it's fair to say it now. 
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

GuvHog

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on July 29, 2017, 09:43:12 am
Ummm please provide proof of that belittlement. I haven't heard ANYBODY belittle those teams accomplishments. Maybe in Guv world they do but not in the real world.

Just read this thread from start to finish. There are several posts in it that do exactly that.
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bphi11ips

Quote from: GuvHog on July 29, 2017, 10:29:46 am
Just read this thread from start to finish. There are several posts in it that do exactly that.

Posts are numbered. It's easy to just give us numbers or block into a new post, but that would require you to support your baseless assertion. 
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

GuvHog

Quote from: bphi11ips on July 29, 2017, 10:37:06 am
Posts are numbered. It's easy to just give us numbers or block into a new post, but that would require you to support your baseless assertion. 

2 of them are Reply#154 and Reply #156
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bphi11ips

Quote from: GuvHog on July 29, 2017, 10:39:09 am
2 of them are Reply#154 and Reply #156

Consider the source.  hogsanity is an equal opportunity belittler.  I get why you would take offense to his contention that all Petrino's teams did was beat the teams they were supposed to beat.  His point was that other coaches have done what Petrino did at Arkansas, and he's right.  And other coaches will do it again.  I think one of them is on the hill now.

I don't see anyone belittling Petrino's teams the way you suggest they do. What I do see is a bunch of the same few posters belittling THIS year's team and its head coach.  They pollute every thread and it's getting old.
Life is too short for grudges and feuds.

GuvHog

Quote from: bphi11ips on July 29, 2017, 10:59:17 am
Consider the source.  hogsanity is an equal opportunity belittler.  I get why you would take offense to his contention that all Petrino's teams did was beat the teams they were supposed to beat.  His point was that other coaches have done what Petrino did at Arkansas, and he's right.  And other coaches will do it again.  I think one of them is on the hill now.

I don't see anyone belittling Petrino's teams the way you suggest they do. What I do see is a bunch of the same few posters belittling THIS year's team and its head coach.  They pollute every thread and it's getting old.

You have not seen me belittle this year's team, I have predicted that they will win at least 9 regular season games and I believe that. This could very well be CBB's best year as Hog HC so far.
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bphi11ips

Quote from: GuvHog on July 29, 2017, 11:04:45 am
You have not seen me belittle this year's team, I have predicted that they will win at least 9 regular season games and I believe that. This could very well be CBB's best year as Hog HC so far.

I wasn't referring to you.

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DLUXHOG

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All comers should submit and pay homage to the greatness that is Nick Saban and Urban Myers. Truly great men doing it the right way.  :puke:

The only difference between Ole Miss and Alabama is that Ole Miss got caught. They tried to recruit the way the big boys do (buying players) and got caught red (and blue) handed.

Inhogswetrust

Quote from: GuvHog on July 29, 2017, 10:39:09 am
2 of them are Reply#154 and Reply #156

Neither one of those doesn't even come close to belittling the teams accomplishments.
If I'm going to cheer players and coaches in victory, I damn sure ought to be man enough to stand with them in defeat.

"Why some people are so drawn to the irrational is something that has always puzzled me" - James Randi