Guns at Razorback Stadium

[Cinco de Hogo]

If I were a police officer at a sporting event and an attack happened and 3000 people pulled guns and started shooting....

Finish that sentence.

[NuttinItUp]

Aggies are making fun of us for this:
https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/2843468

[NaturalStateReb]

Guns, drinking, high emotions, densely packed people, what could go wrong?

I've got a whole safe full of guns, and I like shooting them, but there are places where we don't need this, and sporting events is one of them.  The problem won't come when some drunken idiot gets in an argument and shoots his fellow drunken idiot; it'll come when some drunken idiot shoots at his fellow drunken idiot, misses, and kills a kid in the next tailgate tent. 

[jkstock04]

Aggies are making fun of us for this:
https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/2843468

That was a funny read. Just like Hogville...if it's about another fan base or school always knee jerk and come up with the most outlandish and outrageous spin.

[NaturalStateReb]

Love it, maybe some of those drunk tough guys will be taught a lesson.

What, by being murdered?  That'll learn 'em.

[ricepig]

What, by being murdered?  That'll learn 'em.

Some of life's lessons are tough.....

[(notOM)Rebel123]

If I were a police officer at a sporting event and an attack happened and 3000 people pulled guns and started shooting....

Finish that sentence.

.....wow! 3,000 people actually completed the additional "active shooter" training so they could pack heat at the game!

[grayhawg]

.....wow! 3,000 people actually completed the additional "active shooter" training so they could pack heat at the game!

As far behind as Arkansas is issuing permits, if you completed your course now, it's doubtful you would have your permit in time for the first part of the season. My wife completed hers in Jan of 2015 and did not receive her permit until late May

[HiggiePiggy]

I'm curious, but how many sporting events has there been in the United States that has ended up having gun violence at a sporting event? 

[Inhogswetrust]

Aggies are making fun of us for this:
https://texags.com/forums/5/topics/2843468

Interesting since they are still aggies. 

[Inhogswetrust]

Well I've read enough so I guess I'll chime in. As usual, people are overreacting and tossing around a lot of hyperbole. Personally, I don't mind it being against the law to carry at sporting events because there is a heavy police presence already there to deter crime. However, if the law were to stand, it certainly won't stop me from going to games. The idea that someone who goes through the hours of training and background check to get their CCL, plus the additional training to carry in the newly authorized areas, will get drunk at a game and kill a referee is ridiculous. Anybody crazy and evil enough to do that, can sneak a gun in right now easily. I live not far from Texarkana, and a couple of years ago when Texas passed open carry, to hear internet experts tell it there were gonna be high noon shootouts on Main Street every day. And guess what? There has not been an increase in Wild West shootouts. Stop with the hyperbole and loom at it honestly. It won't be the end of the world. 

Even with the extra one day of training for newly authorized training a CCP would NOT require enough training for Joe Blow average person to make instantaneous decisions about who lives or gets shot or not while shooting in a crowd. I have a CCP and would never carry in a stadium full of people. More can go wrong than right if shooting breaks out. One thing I learned in my training was control of my weapon AND recognition of the bad guys with innocent people people around is paramount. Accidentally shooting an innocent person does NOT remove them from liability. IF in my state a CCP holder shoots an innocent person by accident they are still responsible and liable. The prospect of someone in a tight crowd with people pulling weapons out could make it difficult or impossible for an innocent person to not get shot by someone besides the bad guys.

[jacobp]

As far behind as Arkansas is issuing permits, if you completed your course now, it's doubtful you would have your permit in time for the first part of the season. My wife completed hers in Jan of 2015 and did not receive her permit until late May

The law goes into effect in September but AR State Police said additional training program probably not ready until Jan 1 of 2018. So nobody would be able to get the enhanced permit until at least then.

[The Kig]

Have had a carry permit (TN doesn't differentiate between concealed vs. open carry) for years...went through several courses and learned the gravity of responsibility associated with having a gun on my person.  The only time I will not hesitate to pull the trigger is when my life, my wife's life or my daughters life are in jeopardy... and I will continue to pull the trigger until I no longer feel that threat exists or am out of bullets.  I will never shoot someone over stuff...but I really don't believe that clarity is present in some who are licensed to carry. 

Any situation where emotion runs high is a recipe for disaster when guns are present.  Some of the highest highs and lowest lows emotionally are felt at sporting events.  Passionate fans on both sides are crammed into a small space and when the clock strikes zero there is a winner and a loser, often under very contentious circumstances.  Can you imagine the hooligans of European soccer, who fight regularly at games, with weapons?  Whether it be a ref, an opposing fan (sober or drunk), or even a fan of the same team (see Hogville after just about any game), the emotional tinderbox of the post game roller-coaster is not a place where guns should ever be condoned.  People will do and say things in the heat of the moment that they would never do under normal circumstances. 

Didn't even touch on the other potential danger of some whack job with an agenda, which seems to be the majority of the public active shooter situations in the past several years.  Limited access/egress points that exist in every athletic event type gives them a forum where they could maximize damage.  Notwithstanding the emotional scars, the impact on the economic side of sports would be monumental. 

[DeltaBoy]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2017/03/23/arkansas-law-would-allow-concealed-weapons-sports-arenas/99537654/

This will fix this issue.

[ricepig]

https://twitter.com/SportsTalkwBo/status/846794411203874816

[Grizzlyfan]

https://twitter.com/SportsTalkwBo/status/846794411203874816

Hell Yeah!  Get in the Big 12!

[rljjr]

Merely a strong-arm tactic by lawmakers to force the UA into more games in LR. Sit back and watch. There will be an "if-then" ultimatum.

[ricepig]

https://twitter.com/SportsTalkwBo/status/846813895981481984

[ricepig]

Merely a strong-arm tactic by lawmakers to force the UA into more games in LR. Sit back and watch. There will be an "if-then" ultimatum.

Wut?? The bill was introduced by a Fayetteville representative, lol.

[mclyte]

As if we need any other problems to hurt recruiting. This will kill it.

[rljjr]

Wut?? The bill was introduced by a Fayetteville representative, lol.

Shhhhh. I'm working here!

[TNhawgfan]

As if we need any other problems to hurt recruiting. This will kill it.

Yep. We're already hurting because of a lack of in state talent, so this would put us behind vandy in recruiting

[010HogFan]

This whole thing has unintended consequences written all over it. Should have just left it alone, but now the people behind all this are already letting the situation begin to spiral out of control.

[PorkRinds]

We have some ignorant SOB's running this state. Can't see how this would be a good thing in anyone's mind.

[factchecker]

We have some ignorant SOB's running this state. Can't see how this would be a good thing in anyone's mind.

$$$$$ can influence any politician's mind.

[PorkRinds]

Is there anyone who thinks it's a good idea to have Auburn, bama, and lswho's dumbass fans bringing guns in our stadium? Seriously, is there anyone?

[MNHogFan]

A bunch of dumbasses in Little Rock passing bills that make no sense.

[PorkRinds]

A bunch of dumbasses in Little Rock passing bills that make no sense.

Something tells me they'll back off once the pressure gets applied.

[NuttinItUp]

This whole thing has unintended consequences written all over it. Should have just left it alone, but now the people behind all this are already letting the situation begin to spiral out of control.

This could be as bad as the bathroom bill in North Carolina was for them.

[PorkRinds]

This could be as bad as the bathroom bill in North Carolina was for them.

If it passes and goes into law it'll be way worse.

[NuttinItUp]

If it passes and goes into law it'll be way worse.

Hope the governor is smart enough to veto if it passes.

[factchecker]

Hope the governor is smart enough to veto if it passes.

The first game is in Little Rock.  Maybe fans need to fly some banners and bring signs telling Asa how big of a dumbazz he is.

[NuttinItUp]

The first game is in Little Rock.  Maybe fans need to fly some banners and bring signs telling Asa how big of a dumbazz he is.

If guns are allowed at the event, people might start shooting at the pilot.

Also, Asa seems like a smart guy. (I know he veto'd that Arkansas bathroom bill that was like NCs which was smart of him.)
From what I have read googling the story, he supports a sports exemption and is pushing for one.

[parallaxpig]

Hope the governor is smart enough to veto if it passes.

Governor already signed into law.

[hobhog]

Who in the hell thinks this is a good idea?

If you are that scared of society and people then stay home. Bringing a gun just scares the 99% who aren't.

[hobhog]

Governor already signed into law.

Watch him backtrack. Politics sucks.

[factchecker]

Who in the hell thinks this is a good idea?

This is the question.  I've seen a ton of pro gun people say they don't want guns at sporting events.  Who is the bill representing?

[NuttinItUp]

Governor already signed into law.

Oh I guess I misunderstood. This article says governor is supporting an exemption to the bill:
http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/sec-stands-behind-exemption-to-arkansas-law-allowing-guns-in-college-stadiums/

I just assumed that meant it hadn't passed yet, but I guess it means an exemption before the bill goes into effect.

[Inhogswetrust]

Have had a carry permit (TN doesn't differentiate between concealed vs. open carry) for years...went through several courses and learned the gravity of responsibility associated with having a gun on my person.  The only time I will not hesitate to pull the trigger is when my life, my wife's life or my daughters life are in jeopardy... and I will continue to pull the trigger until I no longer feel that threat exists or am out of bullets.  I will never shoot someone over stuff...but I really don't believe that clarity is present in some who are licensed to carry. 

Any situation where emotion runs high is a recipe for disaster when guns are present.  Some of the highest highs and lowest lows emotionally are felt at sporting events.  Passionate fans on both sides are crammed into a small space and when the clock strikes zero there is a winner and a loser, often under very contentious circumstances.  Can you imagine the hooligans of European soccer, who fight regularly at games, with weapons?  Whether it be a ref, an opposing fan (sober or drunk), or even a fan of the same team (see Hogville after just about any game), the emotional tinderbox of the post game roller-coaster is not a place where guns should ever be condoned.  People will do and say things in the heat of the moment that they would never do under normal circumstances. 

Didn't even touch on the other potential danger of some whack job with an agenda, which seems to be the majority of the public active shooter situations in the past several years.  Limited access/egress points that exist in every athletic event type gives them a forum where they could maximize damage.  Notwithstanding the emotional scars, the impact on the economic side of sports would be monumental. 

I'm in Tennessee as well. In all my 20 years living here I've only seen one person open carry and that's been very recent.

[NuttinItUp]

This is the question.  I've seen a ton of pro gun people say they don't want guns at sporting events.  Who is the bill representing?

I think the bill was for "everywhere". "Everywhere" just happens to also include sporting events.

It wasn't specifically for sporting events.

[Inhogswetrust]

Hell Yeah!  Get in the Big 12!

Hell no.

[parallaxpig]

This is the question.  I've seen a ton of pro gun people say they don't want guns at sporting events.  Who is the bill representing?

NRA

[factchecker]

https://twitter.com/ericwbolin/status/846831268625072130

[Inhogswetrust]

https://twitter.com/ericwbolin/status/846831268625072130

I'd bet The commissioner does not have the authority to kick someone out.

[factchecker]

I'd bet The commissioner does not have the authority to kick someone out.

Most likely not.

The key here is perception.  It's tough recruiting to Arkansas already.  Most out of state kids think of Arkansas as being a backwoods, clan infested, redneck chithole.  I know a parent of a recruit who didn't want their kid to come here b/c all they knew of Arkansas was the Little Rock Nine.  They changed their mind once they got up here and experienced our fans but the perception of the state is already lower than low.

Add the slightest thought of the NCAA or SEC punishing us and kids will second guess considering us.  Coaches are going to use this to recruit against us.

[parallaxpig]

I'd bet The commissioner does not have the authority to kick someone out.

You willing to roll the dice to find out.

[PorkSoda]

NRA

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170328/action-needed-gun-control-bill-headed-to-arkansas-house-floor-despite-strong-opposition

"It is imperative that you contact your state Representative IMMEDIATLEY with your strong opposition to this bill!"

"SB 724 seeks to amend several sections of the newly enacted House Bill 1249, which was signed into law by Governor Asa Hutchinson on March 23.  This bill, after being amended, adds public teaching hospitals and college sporting events to the list of places where licensees with the enhanced carry permit would still be prohibited from carrying."

Those damn liberals want to restrict gun rights LOL

[jacobp]

I'd like to move back to Arkansas by next election cycle just to help get rid of Charlie Collins

[Ironhawg]

I am pro-Second Amendment.  I support the NRA.  I have my CCP and I concealed carry regularly.  I am also a retired police officer, have carried a gun every day most of my adult life and have worked Razorback football games in the past.  I say all that to say this; allowing anyone other than law enforcement to carry guns at a sporting event is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard.  I have had alcohol poured on me while escorting the opponent off the field.  I have seen a liquor bottle come flying out of the stands aimed at the officials (at least I think that's who he was aiming at.)  We absolutely, positively do not need guns in a sports event.  There are plenty of cops around the stadium in the event of some kind of an attack.  I feel strongly enough about this that I have already emailed my representative.

[PorkSoda]

I am pro-Second Amendment.  I support the NRA.  I have my CCP and I concealed carry regularly.  I am also a retired police officer, have carried a gun every day most of my adult life and have worked Razorback football games in the past.  I say all that to say this; allowing anyone other than law enforcement to carry guns at a sporting event is one of the worst ideas I have ever heard.  I have had alcohol poured on me while escorting the opponent off the field.  I have seen a liquor bottle come flying out of the stands aimed at the officials (at least I think that's who he was aiming at.)  We absolutely, positively do not need guns in a sports event.  There are plenty of cops around the stadium in the event of some kind of an attack.  I feel strongly enough about this that I have already emailed my representative.

one would think the NRA would understand this.  they are as much lemmings in their blind opposition to common sense as any california liberal.