Super Sid!

[Paul]

Mr. Arkansas Basketball now a finalist for the HOF!

[Cambridge Hog]

Well deserved! One of my sports heros as a kid! That dunk!

[Pigsfeat]

Mr. Arkansas Basketball now a finalist for the HOF!

This should be a slam dunk! 

[pigture perfect]

Best ever in my opinion. Hope he gets it.

[alohawg]

My favorite hog, the epitome of what it means to be a Razorback.

[lynbug]

Are we talking Sid the "Squid"?

[hawkhawg]

Are we talking Sid the "Squid"?

I think he is talking about El Sid.

[Hogginintheville]

Awesome!

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

He is a HOF player, no doubt.  Probably the best player to ever put on a Razorback jersey.  His pro career also speaks volumes.  One of the home grown "triplets", that brought Arkansas basketball to national prominence. 

[biglewhog77]

A true Arkansas legend :razorback: :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[gmarv]

He is a HOF player, no doubt.  Probably the best player to ever put on a Razorback jersey.  His pro career also speaks volumes.  One of the home grown "triplets", that brought Arkansas basketball to national prominence. 

I think you can drop the probably.He is the greatest hog ever.

[Pigasaurus]

I think you can drop the probably.He is the greatest hog ever.

This! SuperSid the greatest

[southeasthog]

For the youngsters.

[98hogs]

For the youngsters.

Best SI cover ever !

[Cambridge Hog]

Yes! Thanks for posting that SI cover. 'Twas the dunk I was referring to.

[Soooie21]

Best cover ever...I had this blown up to poster size right after this came out...had it redone while Sid was an assistant with the Mavs...Emailed Mark Cuban to see if I could get Sid to sign it...He had me mail it to them and he got Sis to sign it...That was great of them to do it for me....

[lynbug]

For the youngsters.

Oh, I wish you hadn't posted this....brings back way too many great, great memories.  But speaking of memories....wasn't his one of his nickames "Sid the Squid" because of his long arms?

[gmarv]

Oh, I wish you hadn't posted this....brings back way too many great, great memories.  But speaking of memories....wasn't his one of his nickames "Sid the Squid" because of his long arms?

wasn,t the nickname more for the way he could worm his way around and between players for his shot or to grab a rebound from bigger guys?

[ErieHog]

I think you can drop the probably.He is the greatest hog ever.

Not in terms of performance as a Hog.    But he's undoubtedly the favorite Hog,  the most successful professional Hog, and the best regarded Hog.

[alohawg]

Not in terms of performance as a Hog.    But he's undoubtedly the favorite Hog,  the most successful professional Hog, and the best regarded Hog.

The most beloved Arkansas athlete ever and deservedly so.

[ErieHog]

The most beloved Arkansas athlete ever and deservedly so.

Without a doubt. And no better ambassador for any of our programs  exists.

[gmarv]

Not in terms of performance as a Hog.    But he's undoubtedly the favorite Hog,  the most successful professional Hog, and the best regarded Hog.

Yes he is,was all the things that make the select few considered to be the greatest at there school, pro team, etc etc. Super Sid is the greatest hog ever.

[ErieHog]

Yes he is,was all the things that make the select few considered to be the greatest at there school, pro team, etc etc. Super Sid is the greatest hog ever.

Not the greatest Razorback basketball player, but yes.    Actual performance, he's 2nd.

[gmarv]

Yes he is ,but for the sake of arguement who in your mind is the greatest?

[alohawg]

Sid was the shining star that shone brightest before the Day dawned.

[ErieHog]

Yes he is ,but for the sake of arguement who in your mind is the greatest?

The numbers show Day crushes him, even when controlling for differences in era, pace, and style, when it comes to actual basketball performance-- and did it against much stronger competition, with very similar winning patterns.    Its Day 1,  then a toss up between Syd and Corliss, depending on how you weigh subjective factors like the value of a title and NCAAT POTY vs. establishing a reputation for the program, etc.

[bvillepig]

Sid would have crushed Todd Day all things being equal and I loved Todd.   Lock down defender , attitude, rebounding, scoring. Sid did whatever the team needed. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

[elksnort]

Joe Johnson might be the best NBA player that was a Razorback at one time.

But Sidney was a great one also.

[gmarv]

going and looking at both of their 4 year stats here is what i got. todd day averaged 18.9 points a game Super Sid averaged 16.9 points.Looks bad for Sid right but Todd Day averaged had the 3 point shot figured in so there is that. Sid averaged 8.5 rbs a game Todd Day averaged 5.75 rbs a game . Todd Day averaged 2.5 assist a game Sid averaged 2.0 assist a game.One last thing Sidney average 60% shooting versuses Todd Day shooting 47%. Means probable Days % reflected the 3 point shots he took to a degree.
AT best for Day the stats are a wash.You can,t compare the heart and will to win between them and that is where i think the greatest difference is Sid wins that one big.

[ErieHog]

going and looking at both of their 4 year stats here is what i got. todd day averaged 18.9 points a game Super Sid averaged 16.9 points.Looks bad for Sid right but Todd Day averaged had the 3 point shot figured in so there is that. Sid averaged 8.5 rbs a game Todd Day averaged 5.75 rbs a game . Todd Day averaged 2.5 assist a game Sid averaged 2.0 assist a game.One last thing Sidney average 60% shooting versuses Todd Day shooting 47%. Means probable Days % reflected the 3 point shots he took to a degree.
AT best for Day the stats are a wash.You can,t compare the heart and will to win between them and that is where i think the greatest difference is Sid wins that one big.

The numbers go deeper than that;  steals?  Day broke the school record (so did Mayberry, the only reason Day isn't our career leader there, too) . Sid, no so much.  Day left campus among our Top 10 shot blockers, despite being a SG/SF.   Sid, not so much.     Day played fewer minutes, had better efficiency stats, and a lower usage rate to boot--  all while playing better competition.   

[sadhogfan]

going and looking at both of their 4 year stats here is what i got. todd day averaged 18.9 points a game Super Sid averaged 16.9 points.Looks bad for Sid right but Todd Day averaged had the 3 point shot figured in so there is that. Sid averaged 8.5 rbs a game Todd Day averaged 5.75 rbs a game . Todd Day averaged 2.5 assist a game Sid averaged 2.0 assist a game.One last thing Sidney average 60% shooting versuses Todd Day shooting 47%. Means probable Days % reflected the 3 point shots he took to a degree.
AT best for Day the stats are a wash.You can,t compare the heart and will to win between them and that is where i think the greatest difference is Sid wins that one big.

This is Erie's personally favorite delusion.

It has all been discussed before; the numbers, wins, awards, etc. DO NOT support his claim that Day is clearly the best Hog.

Here is the thread where I analyzed things in some depth: http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=555415.100

[ErieHog]

This is Erie's personally favorite delusion.

It has all been discussed before; the numbers, wins, awards, etc. DO NOT support his claim that Day is clearly the best Hog.

Here is the thread where I analyzed things in some depth: http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=555415.100

The evidence is pretty clear--  Day is head and shoulders above Moncrief when it comes to actual on the court performance.

[gmarv]

your stats are great and all but Sid kind of has the only jersey of any player hanging in the rafters of the Bud.Seems there is a lot of people you ain,t never gonna convince in this arguement.

[sadhogfan]

The evidence is pretty clear--  Day is head and shoulders above Moncrief when it comes to actual on the court performance.

You're right; the evidence IS clear: it just shows the opposite of what you claim.

[ErieHog]

your stats are great and all but Sid kind of has the only jersey of any player hanging in the rafters of the Bud.Seems there is a lot of people you ain,t never gonna convince in this arguement.

Its because they mistake two different arguments for being the same one;  Greatest Razorback, and greatest basketball player as a Razorback. 

And sentiment is nearly impossible to move people on, in spite of mountains of evidence.   They love Sid, but wonder why we have problems with kids from Memphis, when we don't acknowledge the best actual Razorback player in our history.

[PonderinHog]

Sid definitely threw the better punch.  Call we all agree on that

[ErieHog]

Sid definitely threw the better punch.  Call we all agree on that

I think that Jacorey Williams threw shoes better than Day punched.

[PonderinHog]

I think that Jacorey Williams threw shoes better than Day punched.

TBH, I've never seen Sidney throw a punch, but I would still bet money that he throws a better punch than Todd.

[TushCrush]

TBH, I've never seen Sidney throw a punch, but I would still bet money that he throws a better punch than Todd.

Sid punched out TAMU's Rynn Wright one night in Barnhill and had a little something for Vernon Smith if he could have gotten hold of him.

[ErieHog]

Sid punched out TAMU's Rynn Wright one night in Barnhill and had a little something for Vernon Smith if he could have gotten hold of him.

The old SWC used to be a lot more physical, back when Barnhill still had sawdust on the floor at the edges.

[gmarv]

No way ole Larry Johnson would of mistaken Sidney for anything other than a man.He was all heart on top of being the greatest hog ever.

[gmarv]

This is Erie's personally favorite delusion.

It has all been discussed before; the numbers, wins, awards, etc. DO NOT support his claim that Day is clearly the best Hog.

Here is the thread where I analyzed things in some depth: http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=555415.100

D*#mn got sucked in again I had forgotten we have been here before.

[pignparadise]

Todd Day may have been a better scorer. Todd had the three point line but until his senior year Sid the Kid was not a guard. He was a 6-4 player who made his living inside.
Which if you think about it, is remarkable. He was a much better defensive player than Day. Michael Jordan once told the Los Angeles Times, "When you play against Moncrief, you're in for a night of all-around basketball. He'll hound you everywhere you go, both ends of the court. You just expect it." Overall basketball player Sidney was the best ever produced by the Hogs.

[ErieHog]

Todd Day may have been a better scorer. Todd had the three point line but until his senior year Sidney the Kid was not a guard. He was a 6-4 player who made his living inside.
Which if you think about it, is remarkable. He was a much better defensive player than Day. Michael Jordan once told the Los Angeles Times, "When you play against Moncrief, you're in for a night of all-around basketball. He'll hound you everywhere you go, both ends of the court. You just expect it." Overall basketball player Sidney was the best ever produced by the Hogs.

Sid was a much better defensive pro;  the numbers show that Day crushed him as a statistical defender, though, in college.  People forget just how versatile he was--  Day was in our all time Top 10 in blocks until 2011, and blew away our Steals record as well.

Sid was the better pro;  Day, the better Hog.

[pignparadise]

Sid was a much better defensive pro;  the numbers show that Day crushed him as a statistical defender, though, in college.  People forget just how versatile he was--  Day was in our all time Top 10 in blocks until 2011, and blew away our Steals record as well.

Sid was the better pro;  Day, the better Hog.

I will always disagree with you.
Sidney out rebounded Day 1015 to 673 in five fewer games. He was the best and most versatile.

[ErieHog]

I will always disagree with you.
Sidney out rebounded Day 1015 to 673 in five fewer games. He was the best and most versatile.

He also had significantly more minutes, so the disparity is much smaller than raw numbers suggest.

[pignparadise]

He also had significantly more minutes, so the disparity is much smaller than raw numbers suggest.

Todd played in the high scoring early nineties versus the lower scoring seventies in which Sidney played.
Example in 1978 the Razorbacks took 1943 shots. In 1991 the Hogs took 2820 shots. Hence more points to be scored and more rebounds to get.

[gmarv]

He also had significantly more minutes, so the disparity is much smaller than raw numbers suggest.

how about disparity in styles, might just skew the numbers could of been more lobsided.

[gmarv]

Also one other thing in nolans style Sids point total would of been higher by a lot and on and on.I,m more convinced than ever Super Sid was the greatest.

[pignparadise]

Joe Johnson might be the best NBA player that was a Razorback at one time.

But Sidney was a great one also.

Joe has been a great pro. His 16 years in the NBA is the longest I believe for a Hog. He has averaged 16 points over that time. He scored 27 on Feb 9 in his 16th year.