Future Arkansas QB Cole Kelley at the top of the list

[lakers1017]

The QB the Hogs picked up a couple of months ago is at the top of the list of offensive players to watch from around his area. Kid sounds like he can sling it. http://www.theadvertiser.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2015/05/20/five-players-watch/27650209/

[King Kong]

He has a cannon. IMO he will have hands down the strongest arm we have had since Mallett (no I'm not saying he has Malletts arm). His ability to hit down field throws outside the hash mark could really open things up for us.

[The_Iceman]

Junior Season Highlights:

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3137127/highlights/175711385/v2

[DeltaBoy]

Good looking kid Woo PIG!

[KY Hog Man]

But, but, but ..... didn't they say that 6"7" was too tall to be a quarterback? 

[TDHawgs]

Wow.. that kid threw some major big time throws.. very impressed.

[Calling All Hogs]

He can really sling it even when his feet are off balance.

[jb11]

But, but, but ..... didn't they say that 6"7" was too tall to be a quarterback? 

Only in the NFL.

[PaintballHog]

Very bizarre he was unranked by most of the services when we were recruiting him. He has all the physical tools. 

[elviscat]

He is a Ryan Mallet with wheels. He can run the football.

[ZERO]

I think he's still unranked by Scout. That or 2*. He's not a highly sought after or rated QB at all, but his size and arm intrigue me. I'm pretty excited to see what he'll bring.

[Tusks]

what were his JR season stats?  anybody got them close by.

[hawgmasta]

The coaching staff knows that any guy that comes in will probably have to wait at least two years before starting. So go out there and recruit a QB by measurables and potential. If we can hold on to Enos for years I can't imagine how successful this kid could become.

[rickm1976]

He is a Ryan Mallet with wheels. He can run the football.

Yeah.  He looks like he may have Matt Jones kind of speed - deceptively fast, which means defenders will miss him often.

[redeye]

He has a cannon. IMO he will have hands down the strongest arm we have had since Mallett (no I'm not saying he has Malletts arm). His ability to hit down field throws outside the hash mark could really open things up for us.

I like the sound of that.  That should be the standard for all QB's, imo.

[factchecker]

what were his JR season stats?  anybody got them close by.

via 247:

YEAR      ATT    CMP             YD           TD     INT
2014      310    187           2984        31       9

http://247sports.com/Player/Cole-Kelley-77447

[Hog N Bama]

But, but, but ..... didn't they say that 6"7" was too tall to be a quarterback? 

Not when your OL is only an inch shorter  :razorback: :razorback: :razorback:

[urkillnmesmalls]

I love it.  From a HS film he's already a hybrid of Matt Jones and Ryan Mallett.  Those are pretty high measuring sticks, and I hope the kid just ends up having a percentage of those guys' pure athletic skills. 

But...I heard the same thing about Ty Storey too, and from what I've heard from the people who have been watching practice consistently, his arm isn't any stronger than BA's, and certainly not up with RP's. 

You'll have to excuse me for taking a cautionary optimism that he's the next Ryan Jones. 

[carolinahogger]

The coaching staff knows that any guy that comes in will probably have to wait at least two years before starting. So go out there and recruit a QB by measurables and potential.

Not at Arkansas.  We always have an incoming freshman who is far better than anyone already on campus.   

[Hoginsavga]

I think he will make it at QB but, if not, he sounds athletic enough to be another tight end. Could be another A. J. Derby or Matt Jones (pro) receiver.

[PorkRinds]

I love it.  From a HS film he's already a hybrid of Matt Jones and Ryan Mallett.  Those are pretty high measuring sticks, and I hope the kid just ends up having a percentage of those guys' pure athletic skills. 

But...I heard the same thing about Ty Storey too, and from what I've heard from the people who have been watching practice consistently, his arm isn't any stronger than BA's, and certainly not up with RP's. 

You'll have to excuse me for taking a cautionary optimism that he's the next Ryan Jones.

That's strange, because I heard just the opposite. I heard from folks who have participated in almost every practice that Ty seems to be the guy making all the throws and RP doesn't have much of a passing game to speak of, he's all legs. 

[bigred223]

Matt jones speed? That would be something.

[kaki]

I love it.  From a HS film he's already a hybrid of Matt Jones and Ryan Mallett.  Those are pretty high measuring sticks, and I hope the kid just ends up having a percentage of those guys' pure athletic skills. 

But...I heard the same thing about Ty Storey too, and from what I've heard from the people who have been watching practice consistently, his arm isn't any stronger than BA's, and certainly not up with RP's. 

You'll have to excuse me for taking a cautionary optimism that he's the next Ryan Jones.

I read it differently, but then again, I don't see every glass half empty.  Thought the previous posters were saying he was a strong armed QB like Ryan but did not say his arm was as strong as his, and said he had deceptive speed, reflecting that Matt's speed was deceptive as well.  Don't think they said he was as fast as Matt.

[Hogarusa]

Wow.  Matt Jones speed with Ryan Mallett arm.  Surely there is a Dmac comparison out there

[rzrbackramsfan]

That's strange, because I heard just the opposite. I heard from folks who have participated in almost every practice that Ty seems to be the guy making all the throws and RP doesn't have much of a passing game to speak of, he's all legs.

Then you haven't Been listening to bielemas pc's.

[DeltaBoy]

He is a Ryan Mallet with wheels. He can run the football.

The new and Improved Ryan Mallet 2.0!

[Pigsknuckles]

His RB's looked like munchkins beside him. How does he play under center?

[CallThemHawgs!]

Mallett V 2.0

[WorfHog]

Wow.  Matt Jones speed with Ryan Mallett arm.  Surely there is a Dmac comparison out there

Less of a Wes Welker 

[WizardofhOgZ]

Wow.  Matt Jones speed with Ryan Mallett arm.  Surely there is a Dmac comparison out there

He's more like a 4.7 guy - not 4.4 like Matt was.  Still, that's fine for a QB that can pass like this kid can.

[urkillnmesmalls]

I read it differently, but then again, I don't see every glass half empty.  Thought the previous posters were saying he was a strong armed QB like Ryan but did not say his arm was as strong as his, and said he had deceptive speed, reflecting that Matt's speed was deceptive as well.  Don't think they said he was as fast as Matt.

I was funnin' man. You know, how the thread starts and it doesn't go half a page until they're already COMPARING him to some of the best players to ever put on a Hog uniform.  I understand they didn't say he was even with them, but just the comparison is funny to me.  Am I not allowed to see the humor in that? 

You sir, won't poop on my parade.   

[SPAL]

He is a Ryan Mallet with wheels. He can run the football.

If this were true, he would be a 5*

Let's not get carried away now.

[nchogg]

The young man is not even on campus. You can't compare him to someone that has played college football. When he arrives on campus next year and the coaches start working with him the staff will use him where they feel he will have the best fit be it QB or another position. Since he has foot work problems Coach Enos will correct that. First things first, don't start putting undue pressure on the kid. After the Rafe and Ty bandwagon some now want to be negative about them. I think we have a very good QB pool and a coach that wants success from all of them.

[pigture perfect]

In most programs, the most popular player is the 2nd or sometimes the 3rd string QB's. With us, it's all 5 back ups if you count Duwop still in the mix.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

The young man is not even on campus. You can't compare him to someone that has played college football. When he arrives on campus next year and the coaches start working with him the staff will use him where they feel he will have the best fit be it QB or another position. Since he has foot work problems Coach Enos will correct that. First things first, don't start putting undue pressure on the kid. After the Rafe and Ty bandwagon some now want to be negative about them. I think we have a very good QB pool and a coach that wants success from all of them.

Fans are the ones who create unrealistic expectations and keep in mind that most of what is voiced on here, never reaches the ears of the player. If I were Bielema, the first thing that I would tell my recruits is to avoid fan sites, yes, even this one as good as it is most of the time.

You know as well as I do that what you find here are over-reactions, both to the positive and the negative. You have to take both with a grain of salt.

Bielema wants 5 QB's on the team all of the time because he is very familiar with attrition through things that are somewhat uncontrollable. This kid is being recruited as a QB and you have to assume that is the position that they want him to play. Now if they sign 2 QB's in his class, all bets are off. In any case, with our current system, the cream will rise to the top.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

He is a Ryan Mallet with wheels. He can run the football.

Ryan Jones in the house..! Looks out foosebawl woild..!

[pitbull1]

He'll have a lot of kids ahead of him!

[Cinco de Hogo]

Either way aren't we just glad to have him?  By the way he looks like a future JJ Watts to me! LOL

[jgphillips3]

Lets kill the Matt Jones speed thing.  Matt Jones ran a 4.37 AT the combine where almost nobody breaks 4.4.  Like others said, 4.7 is more realistic.  For comparison, BA was clocked around 4.6 coming out of high school I believe.  What we are seeing is a fusion.  Matt Jones could FLY but after he hurt his shoulder, his arm strength was shot.  Ryan Mallet could make EVERY throw a QB could be asked to make but even sun dials move to fast to clock him in the 40.  This kid has probably about 80% or 85% of Ryan Mallets arm but also has the wheels of a much smaller player and Matt Jones deceptive stride.  Potentially an awesome combination in our offense and he can probably get that Cam Newton QB dive any time we need it.

[nchogg]

Fans are the ones who create unrealistic expectations and keep in mind that most of what is voiced on here, never reaches the ears of the player. If I were Bielema, the first thing that I would tell my recruits is to avoid fan sites, yes, even this one as good as it is most of the time.

You know as well as I do that what you find here are over-reactions, both to the positive and the negative. You have to take both with a grain of salt.

Bielema wants 5 QB's on the team all of the time because he is very familiar with attrition through things that are somewhat uncontrollable. This kid is being recruited as a QB and you have to assume that is the position that they want him to play. Now if they sign 2 QB's in his class, all bets are off. In any case, with our current system, the cream will rise to the top.

I agree. Good reply.

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

I love it.  From a HS film he's already a hybrid of Matt Jones and Ryan Mallett.  Those are pretty high measuring sticks, and I hope the kid just ends up having a percentage of those guys' pure athletic skills. 

But...I heard the same thing about Ty Storey too, and from what I've heard from the people who have been watching practice consistently, his arm isn't any stronger than BA's, and certainly not up with RP's. 

You'll have to excuse me for taking a cautionary optimism that he's the next Ryan Jones. 

Was thinking the same thing, but you beat me to it!

[Mike Irwin]

So in this thread we learn that the incoming savior of the program just a few months ago has already been supplanted. Why? Because "people who have been watching practice consistently" have already noticed that Ty Story doesn't even have a stronger arm than Brandon Allen. In fact Rafe Peavey currently owns that title.

I'm wondering who these people are, the ones who watch practice consistently and make these observations?

I watch practice inconsistently but to my untrained eyes Brandon Allen has the strongest arm. I base that observation on today not 2013 when he had a much more serious shoulder separation than his coaches were willing to admit. Watching him in the spring game I found myself remembering that day at LSU when his throwing range was about 35 yards. The kid has worked hard to rehab his shoulder.

Clint Stoerner had a similar injury at the beginning of his junior year. He said it took more that two years to get back to where he was before the injury.

As for Cole Kelley, I'm quite sure Bret Bielema and his staff will be recruiting other quarterbacks in the 2017 class. It won't be that long until they find a kid that surpasses Kelley, at least in the eyes of some in this forum. To them he'll be faster with a stronger arm.

Nonetheless I will continue to observe that compared to Hogville's Jump Ball Forum, MMQB is driven by a collection of rational and even knowledgeable fans.

[12247]

Truth is, unless we have planned to change our game plans, QBs 2 through 4 or 10 or even 25, will not play so it really doesn't matter.  Likely should just take backup QBs from the walk on selections and save schollies.  Hopefully, we will have a plan in place to play a #2 or #3 QB if the starter gets waylaid as has happened in the near past.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Truth is, unless we have planned to change our game plans, QBs 2 through 4 or 10 or even 25, will not play so it really doesn't matter.  Likely should just take backup QBs from the walk on selections and save schollies.  Hopefully, we will have a plan in place to play a #2 or #3 QB if the starter gets waylaid as has happened in the near past.

I think you will see back-ups getting more playing experience in games under Enos, when the opportunity presents itself. Problem is, when you are scrambling to win every game you possibly can (over the last two seasons) there has been little opportunity for back-ups (#2 let alone #3) to get any game time action and experience. They all need to see some time in games where the outcome is not in doubt, but there hasn't been many of those over the last couple of seasons. As a side note, I still think AA should have been inserted in the Missouri game when BA was obviously hurt and not operating at 100%, but it is easy to have 20-20 hindsight when you aren't on the staff.

[Exit Pursued by a Boar]

Lets kill the Matt Jones speed thing.  Matt Jones ran a 4.37 AT the combine where almost nobody breaks 4.4.  Like others said, 4.7 is more realistic.  For comparison, BA was clocked around 4.6 coming out of high school I believe.  What we are seeing is a fusion.  Matt Jones could FLY but after he hurt his shoulder, his arm strength was shot.  Ryan Mallet could make EVERY throw a QB could be asked to make but even sun dials move to fast to clock him in the 40.  This kid has probably about 80% or 85% of Ryan Mallets arm but also has the wheels of a much smaller player and Matt Jones deceptive stride.  Potentially an awesome combination in our offense and he can probably get that Cam Newton QB dive any time we need it.

I'll take this if it pans out.

EFBAB

[MissippHog]

Yeah.  He looks like he may have Matt Jones kind of speed - deceptively fast, which means defenders will miss him often.

Tanner English scoffs at your comment.

[nchogg]

I think you will see back-ups getting more playing experience in games under Enos, when the opportunity presents itself. Problem is, when you are scrambling to win every game you possibly can (over the last two seasons) there has been little opportunity for back-ups (#2 let alone #3) to get any game time action and experience. They all need to see some time in games where the outcome is not in doubt, but there hasn't been many of those over the last couple of seasons. As a side note, I still think AA should have been inserted in the Missouri game when BA was obviously hurt and not operating at 100%, but it is easy to have 20-20 hindsight when you aren't on the staff.


Another good response fact and logic. Keep it up.

[MissippHog]

I think you will see back-ups getting more playing experience in games under Enos, when the opportunity presents itself. Problem is, when you are scrambling to win every game you possibly can (over the last two seasons) there has been little opportunity for back-ups (#2 let alone #3) to get any game time action and experience. They all need to see some time in games where the outcome is not in doubt, but there hasn't been many of those over the last couple of seasons. As a side note, I still think AA should have been inserted in the Missouri game when BA was obviously hurt and not operating at 100%, but it is easy to have 20-20 hindsight when you aren't on the staff.

Bielema admitted as much when asked about the decision to play BA:
http://www.nwahomepage.com/fulltextsports/d/story/bielema-allen-explain-qb-decision-in-missouri-game/17306/RgMbzTxLa0iLHOFMRc7JVw

However, you can't measure the amount of respect BA gained that day by continuing to fight.  If you remember, he had gained nearly 40 yards on that final drive before AC put the ball on the turf. 

[blu]

Then you haven't Been listening to bielemas pc's.

This. Unreal, folks are so uninformed on Rafe's performance and potential.
I am happy we are getting this guy, good athletifism and good arm. Sounds like BA, AA, RP and TS. Fellas, we are in better shape than we have been in a long long time at QB, maybe ever. Woo Pig!

[moses_007]

He reminds me in the videos of Matt Jones.  This kid is huge, and he can really run too.