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  • #51 by Wants2Win on 13 Nov 2017
  • Who would be a good hire after CBB gets fired?

    I'm asking cuz if we hire some "slam dunk" coach, no one knows until 5 years down the road. At the time, CBB was a good hire, no need to minimize that.
    It was the same hire 5 years ago as it is today...a complete and total failure. Having a good resume doesn't mean the coach will be a good fit. Huge Fail on Jeff longs part.
  • #52 by Locutus_of_Boar on 13 Nov 2017
  • Hasn't JL pretty much accommodated whatever CBB wanted with regard to staff salaries, etc. and let him work his plan? JFB was known to meddle in the coaches under him but that's not been JL's style.

    I guess what I'm saying is that CBB has had ample opportunity to build his own program here and it's not worked out. And, there's no one to blame but himself.

    Yup.  In terms of performance only six coaches had more games to prove themselves than Bielema.  Four of the sox had substantially better recprds and earned their long tenure.  An argument can be made Nutt and Thomsen held their jobs so long by politics instead of performance.  Bielema has I tnink just about the right amount of time.

    Hatfield 76% 6 yrs
    Holtz 73.5% 7 yrs
    Broyles 71% 19 yrs
    Schmidt 65% 7 yrs

    Nutt 61% 10 yrs

    Thomsen 48% 13 yrs
    Bielema 46% (assuming losses to MSU and MU)

    An argument can be made Nutt and Thomsen held their jobs so long by politics instead of performance.
  • #53 by 10thPlanet on 13 Nov 2017
  • No mistreated, we only pay him minimum wage.
  • #54 by MountieDawg on 13 Nov 2017
  • Not sure if he got a fair shake or not, Positive he has had a few Fries and Shakes.
  • #55 by Pork Twain on 13 Nov 2017
  • Hasn't JL pretty much accommodated whatever CBB wanted with regard to staff salaries, etc. and let him work his plan? JFB was known to meddle in the coaches under him but that's not been JL's style.

    I guess what I'm saying is that CBB has had ample opportunity to build his own program here and it's not worked out. And, there's no one to blame but himself.
    5 years...
  • #56 by East Clintwood on 14 Nov 2017
  • We are about to have our 5th head coach since '07

    And do you think that's unique to Arkansas?

    Here are the SEC coaches for the 2013 season:

      Pinkel - Mizz - 2001
      Richt - UGA - 2001
      Miles - LSU - 2005
      Spurrier - SCAR - 2005
    Saban - Bama - 2007
    Mullen - MSU - 2009
      Franklin - Vandy - 2011
      Muschamp - UF - 2011
      Freeze - Miss - 2012
    Sumlin - A&M - 2012 (hotseat)
    Bielma - Ark - 2013 (hotseat)
      Jones - UT - 2013
    Malzhan - Aub - 2013
    Stoops - UK - 2013 (hotseat)

    8 of the 14 coaches have been there 2 seaons or less and now only 4 of them remain.

    Only 2 of the coaches are secure and one of them is rumored to be moving to another job.

    Outside of those 2 do you see any stability at any of these schools?
  • #57 by tbhogfan on 14 Nov 2017
  • Hasn't JL pretty much accommodated whatever CBB wanted with regard to staff salaries, etc. and let him work his plan? JFB was known to meddle in the coaches under him but that's not been JL's style.

    I guess what I'm saying is that CBB has had ample opportunity to build his own program here and it's not worked out. And, there's no one to blame but himself.
    He's had a very fair shake here.  The bottom line is that in year 5 he has not produced acceptable results, and the program has clearly slid.  Houston Nutt was 22-18 in SEC play after year 5, Bobby Petrino was 17-15 in SEC play after 4 years and his last two were 12-4.  CBB is now 11-27 in SEC play with two games left.  Both of his predecessors won  SEC games at a much higher clip than CBB.

    Five years is more than sufficient time to build a team that is either winning, or dramatically trending that way. 
  • #58 by 212hawg on 14 Nov 2017
  • It was the same hire 5 years ago as it is today...a complete and total failure. Having a good resume doesn't mean the coach will be a good fit. Huge Fail on Jeff longs part.

    Everything about his hire at the time felt like a slam dunk. We can all sit back and say it hasn't worked out now, but again that's hindsight. He was a steal when it happened. No need to go rewrite history because we're frustrated with the result.
  • #59 by IronHog on 14 Nov 2017
  • He has been treated fairly. A good hire that just did not work out. It happens ALOT in sports. Guy wins one place, goes to another and does not win nearly as much.



    It was never a good hire
  • #60 by IronHog on 14 Nov 2017
  • Everything about his hire at the time felt like a slam dunk. We can all sit back and say it hasn't worked out now, but again that's hindsight. He was a steal when it happened. No need to go rewrite history because we're frustrated with the result.


    It looked like Long was trying to hire the Anti-BP


    Thatís just dumb
  • #61 by BearsBisonsBoars on 14 Nov 2017
  • It was the same hire 5 years ago as it is today...a complete and total failure. Having a good resume doesn't mean the coach will be a good fit. Huge Fail on Jeff longs part.

    Most coaches fail, so it's easy for stone throwers like you be "right". But it's not impressive.

    The fact is, it was a good hire at the time. Did it work out? No. But hindsight is 20/20.
  • #62 by IronHog on 14 Nov 2017
  • Most coaches fail, so it's easy for stone throwers like you be "right". But it's not impressive.

    The fact is, it was a good hire at the time. Did it work out? No. But hindsight is 20/20.


    Knew B.B. Was toast when he bragged about the Cap One bowl in his opening presser


    Nutt kicked his tail all over the field but lost in typical Nutt fashion
  • #63 by BearsBisonsBoars on 14 Nov 2017

  • Knew B.B. Was toast when he bragged about the Cap One bowl in his opening presser


    Nutt kicked his tail all over the field but lost in typical Nutt fashion

    That's just flat out revisionist history.
  • #64 by IronHog on 14 Nov 2017
  • That's just flat out revisionist history.


    BS


    Whisky had like 6 net yards rushing


    Flelix Jones had 100 at the half


    It took a lot of Nutt texting Bragg to lose that beat down
  • #65 by hogginbama on 14 Nov 2017
  • Iíve Been a huge CBB supporter since his hire. He did great things in the B10.

    But now I can finally admit, CBB has had a fair shot at the Arkansas job. I never expected him to pull in top talent but to get us to 7-9 wins consistently was my hope.

    Time to give another coach a chance and hopefully JL gets it right this time. Not sure how much longer Arkansas can stand to keep firing coaches. We must have stability.



    Did years 2, 3 and 4 meet the expectations you laid out? Or did I dream we won 7, 8 & 7 during those yrs? If we did win 7-9 during those yrs, he met your expectation of consistency except this year being down & out. Will we scream for the next guy to be fired in year 5 if his teams have the same records and take a drop in yr 5?
  • #66 by hogginbama on 14 Nov 2017
  • And do you think that's unique to Arkansas?

    Here are the SEC coaches for the 2013 season:

      Pinkel - Mizz - 2001
      Richt - UGA - 2001
      Miles - LSU - 2005
      Spurrier - SCAR - 2005
    Saban - Bama - 2007
    Mullen - MSU - 2009
      Franklin - Vandy - 2011
      Muschamp - UF - 2011
      Freeze - Miss - 2012
    Sumlin - A&M - 2012 (hotseat)
    Bielma - Ark - 2013 (hotseat)
      Jones - UT - 2013
    Malzhan - Aub - 2013
    Stoops - UK - 2013 (hotseat)

    8 of the 14 coaches have been there 2 seaons or less and now only 4 of them remain.

    Only 2 of the coaches are secure and one of them is rumored to be moving to another job.

    Outside of those 2 do you see any stability at any of these schools?

    Surprising that stability is was is spoken when one thinks of Alabama and MSU. Now with Bama's tradition of always being on top, Saban would be gone in a heartbeat if he had two so-so yrs in a row. Mullen on the other hand, is wanted by the big boys of football based on what he has done at MSU. They stuck with him during the down yrs because they realized they were never gonna compete with the big boys unless they had a stable system in place. At some point, Arkansas has to realize that as well. Hopefully the next guy is given time to ride out a bad yr in the middle and provide some much needed stability.
  • #67 by Wants2Win on 14 Nov 2017
  • Most coaches fail, so it's easy for stone throwers like you be "right". But it's not impressive.

    The fact is, it was a good hire at the time. Did it work out? No. But hindsight is 20/20.

    It was a good hire for our opponents...I will give you that.
  • #68 by Wants2Win on 14 Nov 2017
  • Surprising that stability is was is spoken when one thinks of Alabama and MSU. Now with Bama's tradition of always being on top, Saban would be gone in a heartbeat if he had two so-so yrs in a row. Mullen on the other hand, is wanted by the big boys of football based on what he has done at MSU. They stuck with him during the down yrs because they realized they were never gonna compete with the big boys unless they had a stable system in place. At some point, Arkansas has to realize that as well. Hopefully the next guy is given time to ride out a bad yr in the middle and provide some much needed stability.
    Bert has done wonders for mullens career.
  • #69 by rude1 on 14 Nov 2017
  • Surprising that stability is was is spoken when one thinks of Alabama and MSU. Now with Bama's tradition of always being on top, Saban would be gone in a heartbeat if he had two so-so yrs in a row. Mullen on the other hand, is wanted by the big boys of football based on what he has done at MSU. They stuck with him during the down yrs because they realized they were never gonna compete with the big boys unless they had a stable system in place. At some point, Arkansas has to realize that as well. Hopefully the next guy is given time to ride out a bad yr in the middle and provide some much needed stability.
    So having a 11-27 conference record, continually setting new record lows for the program should be ignored and the  coach retained because of how wonderful stability is? Stability is good if the program is solid and trending in the right direction,  is this what you see happening?
  • #70 by IronHog on 14 Nov 2017
  • Bert has done wonders for mullens career.


    Exactly


    aTm and Miss St and even Auburn love BB
  • #71 by HotlantaHog on 15 Nov 2017
  • Fla ain't bottom end of tier 1 programs. How many NC's have they won in last 25 seasons?
    Florida won two championships when Urban Meyer was there, one under Steve Spurrier. I think all have been in the past 25 years though possible Spurrier was earlier.

    Not sure your point -- that Florida isn't a top program or shouldn't be considered at the bottom end of top programs. It is certainly a top program.
  • #72 by STLhawg on 15 Nov 2017
  • I guess what I'm saying is that CBB has had ample opportunity to build his own program here and it's not worked out. And, there's no one to blame but himself.
    I agree.  His failure is completely his fault.  I'm surprised you even asked the question!
  • #73 by HotlantaHog on 15 Nov 2017
  • 5 years at $4 million a year.

    If not enough time, he has gotten rich while producing a loser. So he can't complain.
  • #74 by HoginMemphis on 15 Nov 2017
  • 5 years at $4 million a year.

    If not enough time, he has gotten rich while producing a loser. So he can't complain.
    Top 10% pay in exchange for bottom 10% production in all of P5 college football over a half decade. Incredible. Only in sports I guess.
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