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Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« on: November 13, 2017, 06:43:15 am »

During his meeting with Tennessee AD Currie, Butch Jones was notified that he would not be retained at the end of the season. He was given the option to finish out the season or go ahead and leave. He decided to go ahead and opt out. What are the odds that Bielema has had a similar conversation with Jeff Long but unlike Jones, decided to finish out the season?
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 06:48:20 am »

I doubt there has been anything like this between Bret and Jeff.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 06:48:55 am »

I would say it all depends on the dollars involved.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 06:53:58 am »

Nope, not after the John L. Smith debacle.  I think he simply knows after Mizzou it's over.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 07:48:08 am »

Nope, not after the John L. Smith debacle.  I think he simply knows after Mizzou it's over.

The John L debacle is brought up quite a bit on here, and for good reason. IMO that entire situation is grounds enough to ensure Long be fired at the end of this mess. This whole thing has snowballed from that... and anyone who, after some due diligence, thought hiring John L in any capacity was a sound decision should be relieved of their duties.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 08:45:10 am »

Butch out recruited the Hogs yet has worse on field results.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 08:54:57 am »

yet has worse on field results.

and that ain't easy
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 09:16:21 am »

Jeff will wait until the end of the season.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 09:23:10 am »

Butch out recruited the Hogs yet has worse on field results.
I think Butch won 14 SEC games to CBB's what, 11?
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 09:30:23 am »

The John L debacle is brought up quite a bit on here, and for good reason. IMO that entire situation is grounds enough to ensure Long be fired at the end of this mess. This whole thing has snowballed from that... and anyone who, after some due diligence, thought hiring John L in any capacity was a sound decision should be relieved of their duties.

I donít believe it would have mattered who the interim coach was. Petrino had such a tight hold on the program that it was going to unravel once he was removed.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 09:31:38 am »

I think Butch won 14 SEC games to CBB's what, 11?

In the East. I doubt Butch would have had double digit wins in the West.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2017, 09:34:33 am »

During his meeting with Tennessee AD Currie, Butch Jones was notified that he would not be retained at the end of the season. He was given the option to finish out the season or go ahead and leave. He decided to go ahead and opt out. What are the odds that Bielema has had a similar conversation with Jeff Long but unlike Jones, decided to finish out the season?
Highly doubtful.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2017, 09:38:01 am »

 The SEC is tough man. Butch did well at Central Michigan then had 9 and 10 win seasons at Cincinnati. Very few coaches are for sure hires.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2017, 09:40:20 am »

I donít believe it would have mattered who the interim coach was. Petrino had such a tight hold on the program that it was going to unravel once he was removed.
I tend to agree.  Wondering who these people bellyaching about JLS think we should have hired as an interm coach?  I fully admit JLS was a complete train wreck, but I put most all the blame on BP because his actions caused that mess!
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2017, 10:06:00 am »

During his meeting with Tennessee AD Currie, Butch Jones was notified that he would not be retained at the end of the season. He was given the option to finish out the season or go ahead and leave. He decided to go ahead and opt out. What are the odds that Bielema has had a similar conversation with Jeff Long but unlike Jones, decided to finish out the season?
if CBB were gave this option, he would do same thing, since no body want two additional loss on his resume.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 10:08:06 am »

In the East. I doubt Butch would have had double digit wins in the West.
We beat Florida last year and Tennessee year before that. What is Butch's record against the West?
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2017, 10:09:09 am »

The John L debacle is brought up quite a bit on here, and for good reason. IMO that entire situation is grounds enough to ensure Long be fired at the end of this mess. This whole thing has snowballed from that... and anyone who, after some due diligence, thought hiring John L in any capacity was a sound decision should be relieved of their duties.

So we should fire JL NOW for who our interim head coach was 6 seasons ago?
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2017, 10:10:44 am »

if CBB were gave this option, he would do same thing, since no body want two additional loss on his resume.

2 more losses is a drop in the bucket for CBB's tenure here.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2017, 10:12:06 am »

Butch out recruited the Hogs yet has worse on field results.

Two 9-win seasons and a plus .500 overall winning percentage are a far cry from worse than what Bert has fielded in the same amount of time.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2017, 10:14:49 am »

Word coming out of Knoxville is that Butch Jones was a POS of a human.  Signs of been there for awhile.  TN probably could have fired him for cause after he Code Oranged the kid for helping the rape victim.  Wouldn't be surprised if the buyout is negotiated down.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2017, 11:33:55 am »

The SEC is a different beast,  It the place Poor Coaches don't last , Good ones get humbled yearly but win enough to keep the Job     (Mullen) and we have our King Saban.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2017, 04:28:32 pm »

The SEC is a different beast,  It the place Poor Coaches don't last , Good ones get humbled yearly but win enough to keep the Job     (Mullen) and we have our King Saban.
I think it's a good thing that high paying, highly sought jobs also come with high expectations. People wanna blame "crazy idiotic" fan bases like Georgia or LSU...I would point a finger towards the market price for these coaches and what them and their agents demand for $$$ and perks. It's good that it goes both ways...at least at most schools in the conference.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2017, 05:20:10 pm »

I heard on a sports show in Houston today that Butch Jones had been calling all of his recruits and bashing Tennessee and discouraging them from going there. Classy move if true!
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2017, 06:17:22 pm »

I heard on a sports show in Houston today that Butch Jones had been calling all of his recruits and bashing Tennessee and discouraging them from going there. Classy move if true!


It was all over Memphis sports radio. From some I trust.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2017, 06:20:18 pm »

During his meeting with Tennessee AD Currie, Butch Jones was notified that he would not be retained at the end of the season. He was given the option to finish out the season or go ahead and leave. He decided to go ahead and opt out. What are the odds that Bielema has had a similar conversation with Jeff Long but unlike Jones, decided to finish out the season?

I truly believe that if Bret goes 6-6, he is not going anywhere.  This is why he has not been relieved of his duties as of yet.  A loss this week and I am positive there will be an announcement regarding his non-future at Arkansas.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2017, 06:21:08 pm »

I heard on a sports show in Houston today that Butch Jones had been calling all of his recruits and bashing Tennessee and discouraging them from going there. Classy move if true!

BB would not do that....he is a good person just not a good coach
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2017, 06:41:17 am »

I don't believe Butch did what the radio program said he did. He is a fairly nice guy. He has always been gracious to the guys on the shows like McElroy and Zarzar. He was nder a ton of stress because the wheels came off and he didn't handle the media very well and said some things he shouldn't have.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2017, 07:25:45 am »

BB would not do that....he is a good person just not a good coach

But if you tell me I'm out in two weeks? I drop my keys on the desk and tell you where to mail the check.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2017, 08:37:18 am »

Nope, not after the John L. Smith debacle.  I think he simply knows after Mizzou it's over.

How does ^ relate to the OP?
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2017, 08:40:48 am »

Word coming out of Knoxville is that Butch Jones was a POS of a human.  Signs of been there for awhile.  TN probably could have fired him for cause after he Code Oranged the kid for helping the rape victim.  Wouldn't be surprised if the buyout is negotiated down.

Yep.  That's why to took leave right away option.  They were descent to a POS
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2017, 08:57:13 am »

CBB doesn't have the gall to resign.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2017, 12:40:30 pm »

How does ^ relate to the OP?
interim coaches tend to suck, which is what we have if CBB leaves before the end of the season.

at the very least CBB can keep the program running "smoothly" until a replacement is found.  there is a lot that goes into running a football program other than losing.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2017, 02:39:48 pm »

The John L debacle is brought up quite a bit on here, and for good reason. IMO that entire situation is grounds enough to ensure Long be fired at the end of this mess. This whole thing has snowballed from that... and anyone who, after some due diligence, thought hiring John L in any capacity was a sound decision should be relieved of their duties.

Baylor tried it when they hired Jim Grobe in a similar capacity to what we hired John L.  It didn't work out much better for them.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2017, 02:44:18 pm »

Butch out recruited the Hogs yet has worse on field results.
Butch Jones 14-24 SEC
Bret Bielema 11-27 SEC

Still doesn't forgive how poorly he coached given the talent he had to work with, but his SEC record was better than ours.
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Re: Butch Jones Was Given An Option
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2017, 05:02:40 pm »

So we should fire JL NOW for who our interim head coach was 6 seasons ago?

No, but the PTB never should have let the hire happen in the first place. Im simply saying that was, and is, a huge blemish on Jeff Longs record here at Arkansas. Factor everything else in, and I think a vote of no confidence is certainly in order.
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