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hawkhawg

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Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« on: November 12, 2017, 11:41:00 pm »

Could Jaylin Barford become the first Razorback in over 20 years to average 20 points a game for a season?

In the last 40 years we had four Hogs average 20 points a game for the season:

93-94 Corliss Williamson-20.4
91-92 Todd Day 22.7
90-91 Todd Day 20.7
84-85 Joe Kleine 22.1
78-79 Sidney Moncrief 22


Others since the Sutton era that have come close:
14-15 Bobby Portis 17.5
09-10 Courtney Fortson- 17.5
05-06 Ronnie Brewer-18.4
94-95 Corliss Williamson- 19.7
92-93 Scotty Thurman 17.4
89-90 Todd Day 19.5
83-84 Joe Kleine 18.2
82-83 Darrell Walker 18.2
81-82 Scott Hastings 18.6
77-78 Brewer-18 Moncrief 17
76-77 Marven Delph 19.7
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2017, 09:26:41 am »

Slow your roll there buddy! We are 2 games in against mid-majors. Ask again in 2 months.

My prediction is no, however.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2017, 09:29:34 am »

He scored 16 in the opener and then set a career high with 27 yesterday. Let's get some more sample here before we consider this a strong possibility, though you can reasonably expect him to be in the 15-17 point range on the season without further data.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2017, 10:21:04 am »

I think he will be around 18-20 mark. He showed me a lot these past couple of games regardless of who we played against. He is very confident in his shot and also has a bag of moves to get the ball in the hoop. One of the better scoring guards we’ve had in a while
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2017, 10:25:38 am »

JB and Macon could both average 18 a game.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2017, 10:25:52 am »

Slow your roll there buddy! We are 2 games in against mid-majors. Ask again in 2 months.

My prediction is no, however.
You know why he wears 0 man, because 0 people can guard him
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2017, 10:36:26 am »

Slow your roll there buddy! We are 2 games in against mid-majors. Ask again in 2 months.

My prediction is no, however.

Chill, He just asked a question and then provided good info. 

I think he averages around 18 a game. 
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2017, 10:43:26 am »

JB and Macon could both average 18 a game.

Agreed. Dan’s looking like he might be in double digits too. His slashing ability is pretty damn impressive for a young big man. He can develop a jump hook like Nana Foulland was using on us last night, he will be a serious threat
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2017, 10:53:14 am »

I think he will be around 18-20 mark. He showed me a lot these past couple of games regardless of who we played against. He is very confident in his shot and also has a bag of moves to get the ball in the hoop. One of the better scoring guards we’ve had in a while

Hard to envision anyone in this system averaging 20 a game. Too balanced. Barford is, without a doubt, capable. I just don't think the system will allow for it.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2017, 10:56:26 am »

Hard to envision anyone in this system averaging 20 a game. Too balanced. Barford is, without a doubt, capable. I just don't think the system will allow for it.

I agree with what you’re saying but this year seems different. The pace is whole a lot better and Barford and Macon are excelling at creating their own shot...for now. But i agree, i see one averaging 19 and the other averaging upper 17 to 18 ppg
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2017, 11:03:44 am »

Could Jaylin Barford become the first Razorback in over 20 years to average 20 points a game for a season?

In the last 40 years we had four Hogs average 20 points a game for the season:

93-94 Corliss Williamson-20.4
91-92 Todd Day 22.7
90-91 Todd Day 20.7
84-85 Joe Kleine 22.1
78-79 Sidney Moncrief 22


Others since the Sutton era that have come close:
14-15 Bobby Portis 17.5
11-12. Marshawn Powell-  19.5
09-10 Courtney Fortson- 17.5
05-06 Ronnie Brewer-18.4
94-95 Corliss Williamson- 19.7
92-93 Scotty Thurman 17.4
89-90 Todd Day 19.5
83-84 Joe Kleine 18.2
82-83 Darrell Walker 18.2
81-82 Scott Hastings 18.6
77-78 Brewer-18 Moncrief 17
76-77 Marven Delph 19.7

Day's numbers were pretty incredible among good company. 
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2017, 11:24:56 am »

There does appear to be a certain spark in this year's team but when conference starts all the fun will turn into a grind.  I think we hold our own and maybe even do better but it won't be show time every night.

Every year I get caught up in how good we look before conference season starts and it's always a surprise how we look in SEC play.  This year I'm staying on my guard to not get caught up in early season hype.  That said, we looked great in our first two games.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2017, 11:31:56 am »

There does appear to be a certain spark in this year's team but when conference starts all the fun will turn into a grind.  I think we hold our own and maybe even do better but it won't be show time every night.

Every year I get caught up in how good we look before conference season starts and it's always a surprise how we look in SEC play.  This year I'm staying on my guard to not get caught up in early season hype.  That said, we looked great in our first two games.

Well said.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2017, 11:34:54 am »

Day's numbers were pretty incredible among good company.
Agree, Barford/Macon should get the same amount of minutes as Day/Mayberry did  and probably get more chances to score. so yes it is possible for one of them to average 20 plus pts.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2017, 12:18:39 pm »

I think that most likely Barford and Macon will both be around 15-17.   But I think it is possible for Barford to get 20. 
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 12:19:53 pm »

Day's numbers were pretty incredible among good company. 

One of the most amazing thing about Day's numbers are that he played with so many good scorers.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2017, 12:26:45 pm »

Six Games in and Barford is at 20.8.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2017, 12:33:16 pm »

Six Games in and Barford is at 20.8.

Thought about this thread as Barford was shredding the nets yesterday. He just might do it after all. 20.8 doesn't leave much room for error, though. Regardless, he's going to have a great scoring season for the Hogs and hopefully he'll show enough to get on the NBA's radar.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2017, 12:40:57 pm »

I think he will be around 18-20 mark. He showed me a lot these past couple of games regardless of who we played against. He is very confident in his shot and also has a bag of moves to get the ball in the hoop. One of the better scoring guards we’ve had in a while

Yep. The fact he improved his 3-point shooting dramatically (50% so far compared to 26.6% last year) has been monumental in making him a 20-plus threat every night against ANYBODY! If he continues to average north of 30 mins per game, keeps his 3-point FGs above 45%, and if he can raise his FT% back up to around 75% like last year (he's at 69.0% now but I think that will improve) ... yeah, he should finish the season 18-20 per game.

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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2017, 12:47:59 pm »

One of the most amazing thing about Day's numbers are that he played with so many good scorers.

Yeah, but he benefited from having the best PG in Arkansas history in Lee Mayberry and a great passing big man in Oliver Miller, whose FG% was so high because he only took high-% shots -- meaning he didn't need many attempts to score points, leaving more shots for Day to take. Ron Huery and Lenzie Howell were opportunistic scorers -- transition, putbacks, etc -- not so much guys that looked to get off a lot of shots. No doubt a lot of talent and points being scored, but the only true alpha shooter/scorer in that bunch was Day. Mayberry was the next-best offensive player, but he was equally good running the team and facilitating.

One of those situations where you might look at the individual talent and think there weren't enough balls to go around to keep everyone happy, but those guys complemented each other well and as a result were able to play at an elite level in college basketball.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2017, 12:51:54 pm »

I think he could definitely average 20 on a not so good Razorback team, but I also think he'd have to take the majority of the shots.  I think we are too good this year to have one guy shooting enough to average 20, and I don't think anyone on the team is as dominant as Big Nasty.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2017, 02:45:02 pm »

Todd Day #10.  Best hog IMO!
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2017, 03:07:22 pm »

Yeah, but he benefited from having the best PG in Arkansas history in Lee Mayberry and a great passing big man in Oliver Miller, whose FG% was so high because he only took high-% shots -- meaning he didn't need many attempts to score points, leaving more shots for Day to take. Ron Huery and Lenzie Howell were opportunistic scorers -- transition, putbacks, etc -- not so much guys that looked to get off a lot of shots. No doubt a lot of talent and points being scored, but the only true alpha shooter/scorer in that bunch was Day. Mayberry was the next-best offensive player, but he was equally good running the team and facilitating.

One of those situations where you might look at the individual talent and think there weren't enough balls to go around to keep everyone happy, but those guys complemented each other well and as a result were able to play at an elite level in college basketball.
Mayberry may have been the most important guy on that team.I still can see Mayberry draining that 3 against Tejas when Nolan picked up the nickname strolling Nolan.What a great game that was.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2017, 03:39:22 pm »

Yeah, but he benefited from having the best PG in Arkansas history in Lee Mayberry and a great passing big man in Oliver Miller, whose FG% was so high because he only took high-% shots -- meaning he didn't need many attempts to score points, leaving more shots for Day to take. Ron Huery and Lenzie Howell were opportunistic scorers -- transition, putbacks, etc -- not so much guys that looked to get off a lot of shots. No doubt a lot of talent and points being scored, but the only true alpha shooter/scorer in that bunch was Day. Mayberry was the next-best offensive player, but he was equally good running the team and facilitating.

One of those situations where you might look at the individual talent and think there weren't enough balls to go around to keep everyone happy, but those guys complemented each other well and as a result were able to play at an elite level in college basketball.

Great post.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2017, 03:41:17 pm »

Could Jaylin Barford become the first Razorback in over 20 years to average 20 points a game for a season?

In the last 40 years we had four Hogs average 20 points a game for the season:

93-94 Corliss Williamson-20.4
91-92 Todd Day 22.7
90-91 Todd Day 20.7
84-85 Joe Kleine 22.1
78-79 Sidney Moncrief 22


Others since the Sutton era that have come close:
14-15 Bobby Portis 17.5
11-12. Marshawn Powell-  19.5
09-10 Courtney Fortson- 17.5
05-06 Ronnie Brewer-18.4
94-95 Corliss Williamson- 19.7
92-93 Scotty Thurman 17.4
89-90 Todd Day 19.5
83-84 Joe Kleine 18.2
82-83 Darrell Walker 18.2
81-82 Scott Hastings 18.6
77-78 Brewer-18 Moncrief 17
76-77 Marven Delph 19.7

For some reason, I feel compelled to point out that Marshawn Powell played two games in 11-12 before tearing his ACL. It seems doubtful that he would have ended up on the close list otherwise.

This actually doesn't matter to the point of your interesting and well-research post, and I apologize for being “that guy.”
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2017, 11:18:42 am »

Few on here will appreciate how hard it was for Sidney Moncrief and Joe Klein to avg 20+ per game.  There was no 3 point shot, and Coach Sutton played a very defensive oriented game, with a very deliberate offense with lots of passing.  Moncrief accounted for 30% of the hogs scoring and Klein 34% those years.  They were truly great for the hogs.  Day was somewhere between 20-25%, but had 3-4 other players that avg double figures. Corliss was about the same as Day, but had only Thurman averaging in double figures.  Those Nolan teams had lots of guys that scored 6-8 points per game.  Every one contributed, but lots of layups off steals and scramble plays. 

I think Barford will do it.  He is a scorer, but is also a deadly shooter.  He can create, and spot up equally well.  He reminds me of Moncrief offensively, except that Moncrief also led the team in rebounds, assists, and steals.  Sid was a complete player and was truly great!
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2017, 11:55:43 am »

Could Jaylin Barford become the first Razorback in over 20 years to average 20 points a game for a season?

Maybe but it will be hard with volume shooters like Macon, Beard and CJ Jones on the team who are also taking lots of shots.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2017, 12:40:37 pm »

Could Jaylin Barford become the first Razorback in over 20 years to average 20 points a game for a season?

In the last 40 years we had four Hogs average 20 points a game for the season:

93-94 Corliss Williamson-20.4
91-92 Todd Day 22.7
90-91 Todd Day 20.7
84-85 Joe Kleine 22.1
78-79 Sidney Moncrief 22


Others since the Sutton era that have come close:
14-15 Bobby Portis 17.5
11-12. Marshawn Powell-  19.5
09-10 Courtney Fortson- 17.5
05-06 Ronnie Brewer-18.4
94-95 Corliss Williamson- 19.7
92-93 Scotty Thurman 17.4
89-90 Todd Day 19.5
83-84 Joe Kleine 18.2
82-83 Darrell Walker 18.2
81-82 Scott Hastings 18.6
77-78 Brewer-18 Moncrief 17
76-77 Marven Delph 19.7
May I add an asterisk here?  Marshawn Powell, as good a player as he was never averaged more than 14.9 points per game for a full year.  2011-12 he got hurt after two games and missed the rest of the season.
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2017, 01:08:56 pm »

I think he can because he also gets to the line. WooPig!!
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Re: Razorbacks with 20pts a game average
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2017, 02:14:57 pm »

For some reason, I feel compelled to point out that Marshawn Powell played two games in 11-12 before tearing his ACL. It seems doubtful that he would have ended up on the close list otherwise.

This actually doesn't matter to the point of your interesting and well-research post, and I apologize for being “that guy.”

Thx.  Revised list.
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