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TA&M starting QB out for most if not all of the season!

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ErieHog

They may switch to the guy they used last year late and in the bowl. 

Mond was reported to be doing drills the last week of camp, trying to hit stationary trash cans with passes, with limited success.
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There are only a handful of players that have ever gotten hurt that I came close to enjoying.  This isn't one of those and I hope this kid has a complete recovery.  As for the impact on our game with aTm, it does make an interesting dynamic that most likely will play into our favor and will also add fuel to the fire underneath Sumlin's seat.
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NorthDallas40

If this is true, can we agree that losing to them this year is at least kind of unacceptable?

Sed76

Whoever plays QB for the Aggies will probably play lights out against us then go back to being terrible the following week.

EastexHawg

Mond is terrible.  Any SEC team loses with him at QB deserves to lose.

On the other hand, if Sumlin plays Hubenak and he plays well their fans are going to wonder how and why he lost a 34 point lead with him on the bench and Mond stinking up the joint.

CFB_Fanatic

How bad is this place going to melt if Mond beats us with his feet?

ballz2thewall

The rest of the frog.

axharbor

Quote from: Sed76 on September 04, 2017, 09:40:19 pm
Whoever plays QB for the Aggies will probably play lights out against us then go back to being terrible the following week.

Seems to be the way things work for us...

grayhawg

Don't forget A&M rushed for 366 yards on us last year, why worry about who is QB can we slow down the run?

Dominicanhog

Quote from: grayhawg on September 05, 2017, 07:49:07 am
Don't forget A&M rushed for 366 yards on us last year, why worry about who is QB can we slow down the run?

their QB did most of the running...

hawgon

September 05, 2017, 08:14:32 am #12 Last Edit: September 05, 2017, 08:31:02 am by hawgon
I think Sumlin assumed that his lead was safe and that it was a good opportunity to get Mond some valuable playing time.  With the actual season on the line, I doubt that he goes with him from here on out.

And in fairness to Sumlin it was a remarkable game.  UCLA went from being unable to do ANYTHING to scoring on six straight drives.  I'm not sure that I've ever seen anything like it.

 

PorkRinds

Quote from: hawgon on September 05, 2017, 08:14:32 am
I think Sumlin assumed that his lead was safe and that it was a good opportunity to get Mond some valuable playing time.  With the actual season in the line, I doubt that he goes with him from here on out.

And in fairness to Sumlin it was a remarkable game.  UCLA went from being unable to do ANYTHING to scoring on six straight drives.  I'm not sure that I've ever seen anything like it.

So blame Chavis and Dumlin's terrible offense.

NuttinItUp

Quote from: ErieHog on September 04, 2017, 09:03:49 pm
They may switch to the guy they used last year late and in the bowl. 

Mond was reported to be doing drills the last week of camp, trying to hit stationary trash cans with passes, with limited success.

He was decent running the ball, but his throwing was awful in that UCLA game.

Dominicanhog

Quote from: PorkRinds on September 05, 2017, 08:21:28 am
So blame Chavis and Dumlin's terrible offense.

I always wonder who to blame when the Defense helps secure a 30-0 lead at half-time only to lose on the last play 31-30...

DeltaBoy

UCLA flipped on the switch and played lights out in the 2nd half.  We watched the whole game and still can not believe what we saw.
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PorkRinds

Quote from: Dominicanhog on September 05, 2017, 08:30:01 am
I always wonder who to blame when the Defense helps secure a 30-0 lead at half-time only to lose on the last play 31-30...

It's so strange. Chavis is a great D.C. and has proven so. Yet he goes to tamu and can't field a defense to save his life.

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Atlhogfan1

A&M has two very good RBs and a good oline.  Hopefully Sumlin will ignore this strength.  The worse the qb the more he may lean on them (if he has any sense).  Positive for us under Bielema is most of our big wins have come against teams with poor qb play.

As far as A&M's defense, I know I sound like a broken record but the colleges in Texas have been hurt by the high school obsession with spread offenses.  I've never believed Chavis to be a genius DC.  He had two great jobs where a DC could be really successful.  And both programs valued being physical especially on offense.  Sumlin has tried for the past few seasons to try and change the mindset of his program to being more physical partially as a result of his team's condition after playing us and the fade that has happened over the last half of the season.  They have some great athletes on defense.  But it is still suffering IMO from the Texas high school mindset of finesse football.  And it isn't helping our program either given we try and recruit there. 
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GolfnHog

What I do know is that the TE of UCLA lit up the middle of the field against the Ags and I suspect with the Hogs TE sets this will be a strength if the play calling is right.
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redleg

Quote from: PorkRinds on September 05, 2017, 08:42:29 am
It's so strange. Chavis is a great D.C. and has proven so. Yet he goes to tamu and can't field a defense to save his life.
Maybe that goes to show the difference between the quality of defensive players at LSU, and the players at A&M.
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jgphillips3

Quote from: redleg on September 05, 2017, 11:01:51 am
Maybe that goes to show the difference between the quality of defensive players at LSU, and the players at A&M.

Bingo!

Pigsknuckles

Quote from: Sed76 on September 04, 2017, 09:40:19 pm
Whoever plays QB for the Aggies will probably play lights out against us then go back to being terrible the following week.

We do have a way of handing out career performances. That said, aTm didn't show much defense against UCLA. Maybe that will offset the loss of Pulley. Need for Curl to step up this week. Too bad his trial by fire will be with with TCU.
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grayhawg

Quote from: Dominicanhog on September 05, 2017, 08:00:23 am
their QB did most of the running...
He had a big day but I wouldn't call 159 yards of 366 most of the yards

The NewEra

Quote from: GolfnHog on September 05, 2017, 09:45:03 am
What I do know is that the TE of UCLA lit up the middle of the field against the Ags and I suspect with the Hogs TE sets this will be a strength if the play calling is right.

Ah, you picked up on that too.  The game started turning around for UCLA when they started quick passes to their TE's.  We hardly used our TE's at all against FAMU and I think that was by design.  This will be fun to watch.

Regarding the OP.  I can't think of a better DC to have for this game than Rhodes.  He knows what it takes to slow down or stop both TCU and TA&M.  If we stop their running game, particularly their QB's from running, and keep pressure on him it should be a good outcome for the Hogs.

Justifiable Hogicide

Quote from: NorthDallas40 on September 04, 2017, 09:24:48 pm
If this is true, can we agree that losing to them this year is at least kind of unacceptable?
That's what A&M said after we lost our No.1 running back AND Ryan Pulley.

Potosihog

But hey, Mond got some meaningful snaps when the game was well in hand..................Oh wait

gchamblee

Quote from: ErieHog on September 04, 2017, 09:03:49 pm
They may switch to the guy they used last year late and in the bowl. 

Mond was reported to be doing drills the last week of camp, trying to hit stationary trash cans with passes, with limited success.

Read this on another board but it cracked me up. Monds nickname is "The Coup". He overthrows everyone.

gchamblee

Quote from: Potosihog on September 05, 2017, 02:55:48 pm
But hey, Mond got some meaningful snaps when the game was well in hand..................Oh wait

Damn you! I came here to type this exact post

Stillwater

Quote from: Sed76 on September 04, 2017, 09:40:19 pm
Whoever plays QB for the Aggies will probably play lights out against us then go back to being terrible the following week.

Yes, the Hogs have made a Heisman trophy front runner out of average QB's in the past.  JS

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Quote from: redleg on September 05, 2017, 11:01:51 am
Maybe that goes to show the difference between the quality of defensive players at LSU, and the players at A&M.

I think what it really shows you is how important the offense is to the defense and vice-versa.  UCLA hit some absurd pass plays.  And aTm decided to run... hurry up?  If there's one thing about The Hat, he would run the freaking football. 

hawgon

UCLA had about three or four once in a season pass plays on three or four consecutive scoring drives.  It was ridiculous. 

MuskogeeHogFan

Quote from: EastexHawg on September 04, 2017, 09:42:48 pm
Mond is terrible.  Any SEC team loses with him at QB deserves to lose.

On the other hand, if Sumlin plays Hubenak and he plays well their fans are going to wonder how and why he lost a 34 point lead with him on the bench and Mond stinking up the joint.

Back in July, folks thought quite a bit of Mond and his abilities. There isn't anything to say that he won't wake up and start playing well, but he doesn't have a lot of time to do so before we face them. They compared him as being a, "bigger, faster version of Deshaun Watson" and even, Johnny Manziel. Pretty lofty comparisons, I'd say.

"He's a big, strong kid in the pocket," Wright told SEC Country. He throws the ball really well vertically down the field. He's got the ability to threaten people deep and go over the top. At the same time, if you over-commit to coverage, you really leave him 1-on-1 with a linebacker in scenarios where, if he pulls the ball down he's going to hurt you. He has the ability to keep people in games.

"He gives A&M — when they had Johnny Manziel, they had a guy who could extend plays. Kellen can most certainly extend plays."



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010HogFan

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on September 06, 2017, 08:48:02 am
Back in July, folks thought quite a bit of Mond and his abilities. There isn't anything to say that he won't wake up and start playing well, but he doesn't have a lot of time to do so before we face them. They compared him as being a, "bigger, faster version of Deshaun Watson" and even, Johnny Manziel. Pretty lofty comparisons, I'd say.

"He's a big, strong kid in the pocket," Wright told SEC Country. He throws the ball really well vertically down the field. He's got the ability to threaten people deep and go over the top. At the same time, if you over-commit to coverage, you really leave him 1-on-1 with a linebacker in scenarios where, if he pulls the ball down he's going to hurt you. He has the ability to keep people in games.

"He gives A&M — when they had Johnny Manziel, they had a guy who could extend plays. Kellen can most certainly extend plays."



https://www.seccountry.com/texas-am/texas-am-kellen-mond-2017-deshaun-watson

The other night Gus Johnson compared him to Pat Mahomes on the broadcast and I about spit my drink

longpig

Aggies are screwed if that Greg LeMond kid is their guy.
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ErieHog

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on September 06, 2017, 08:48:02 am
Back in July, folks thought quite a bit of Mond and his abilities. There isn't anything to say that he won't wake up and start playing well, but he doesn't have a lot of time to do so before we face them. They compared him as being a, "bigger, faster version of Deshaun Watson" and even, Johnny Manziel. Pretty lofty comparisons, I'd say.

"He's a big, strong kid in the pocket," Wright told SEC Country. He throws the ball really well vertically down the field. He's got the ability to threaten people deep and go over the top. At the same time, if you over-commit to coverage, you really leave him 1-on-1 with a linebacker in scenarios where, if he pulls the ball down he's going to hurt you. He has the ability to keep people in games.

"He gives A&M — when they had Johnny Manziel, they had a guy who could extend plays. Kellen can most certainly extend plays."



https://www.seccountry.com/texas-am/texas-am-kellen-mond-2017-deshaun-watson

A young Watson isn't a bad comparison;  when he arrived at Clemson, he could fall out of a boat without hitting water.
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longpig

Quote from: ErieHog on September 06, 2017, 04:39:03 pm
A young Watson isn't a bad comparison;  when he arrived at Clemson, he could fall out of a boat without hitting water.

If that kid has pocket presence and can see the field and check down like Watson and Manziel could, he didn't show it against UCLA.  He looked like a wide receiver being forced to play qb.
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ErieHog

Quote from: longpig on September 06, 2017, 04:50:00 pm
If that kid has pocket presence and can see the field and check down like Watson and Manziel could, he didn't show it against UCLA.  He looked like a wide receiver being forced to play qb.

Watson as a finished product was a waaaay different QB-- still not an accurate QB, but night and day better.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

GoHogs1091

Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on September 06, 2017, 08:48:02 am
Back in July, folks thought quite a bit of Mond and his abilities. There isn't anything to say that he won't wake up and start playing well, but he doesn't have a lot of time to do so before we face them.  They compared him as being a, "bigger, faster version of Deshaun Watson" and even, Johnny Manziel. Pretty lofty comparisons, I'd say.

"He's a big, strong kid in the pocket," Wright told SEC Country. He throws the ball really well vertically down the field. He's got the ability to threaten people deep and go over the top. At the same time, if you over-commit to coverage, you really leave him 1-on-1 with a linebacker in scenarios where, if he pulls the ball down he's going to hurt you. He has the ability to keep people in games.

"He gives A&M — when they had Johnny Manziel, they had a guy who could extend plays. Kellen can most certainly extend plays."



https://www.seccountry.com/texas-am/texas-am-kellen-mond-2017-deshaun-watson

You are correct.  Just way too lofty of a comparison to compare him to Watson.

No one should be comparing to Watson.  Here is 1 play in limited game action that Watson made on the road against Georgia as a True Freshman.


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If the South should lose, it means that the history of the heroic struggle will be written by the enemy, that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers, will be impressed by all of the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.
-- Major General Patrick Cleburne
The Confederacy had no better soldiers
than the Arkansans--fearless, brave, and oftentimes courageous beyond
prudence. Dickart History of Kershaws Brigade.

EastexHawg

Quote from: 010HogFan on September 06, 2017, 04:02:58 pm
The other night Gus Johnson compared him to Pat Mahomes on the broadcast and I about spit my drink

Patrick Mahomes was better as a high school junior who had just converted from safety than Mond will be four years from now.  As a true freshman, in his first career start Mahomes threw for 393 yards, 4 TDs, and 0 interceptions against Oklahoma.  Two weeks later he threw for 598 yards and 6 TDs against Baylor.

You either have it or you don't.  Mahomes had it instantly.  He was born with it.  Mond doesn't have it and never will.  Any SEC team against whom he plays QB will be given an invaluable gift.  He's not going to be able to beat any decent defense with his feet.  That involves the opponent being at least somewhat concerned with the pass.  Unless A&M plans to run the wishbone and can bring back Billy Sims, Greg Pruitt, and Kenny King to operate it with him their offense is going to stink with Mond at QB.