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Game Thread: Liberty Bowl: Kevin Smith Catching Barry, or Getting Croomed?

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ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:04:59 pm #50
Quote from: HoopS on December 29, 2007, 06:04:10 pm
If I'm UCF, I want to come out in the 2nd half and playaction right off.  The main problem?  Israel isn't a good passer. 

If Smith's ankle holds up, this will go down to the end.  If not, and UCF starts throwing more, I expect another turnover or 2. 

Well, lets see what kind of adjustments both teams make at halftime-  MSU gets the ball to open the second half.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

The Pulse

December 29, 2007, 06:05:00 pm #51
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 05:57:37 pm
They really don't.   They have a true freshman QB who has less than a season of experience,  a big back who can pound the ball, and subpar linemen, paired with the worst hands at WR in the conference on the whole.

They play the way they do, because of the lack of talent on offense.

Well they arn't great talent-wise yeah, but I like Carrol..i think he'll be a good QB for them..I'd like to see them let him go a little more. Dixon is a good RB that can pound it..The blocking is horrible..you're right about the O line. I've seen better elusive running from Pegues than anyone they have on offense.

I like Croom, but all i see is ugly, conservative playcalling.
 

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:06:24 pm #52
Quote from: The Pulse on December 29, 2007, 06:05:00 pm
Well they arn't great talent-wise yeah, but I like Carrol..i think he'll be a good QB for them..I'd like to see them let him go a little more. Dixon is a good RB that can pound it..The blocking is horrible..you're right about the O line. I've seen better elusive running from Pegues than anyone they have on offense.

I like Croom, but all i see is ugly, conservative playcalling.

You call what will get you in the best position to win;  for MSU, that's pounding, pounding, pounding some more, then pounding again.

Watch their second half performance against LSU, when they let it all hang out trying to score, if you want to see truly ugly football;  it made their offense today look explosive.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ronmahony

December 29, 2007, 06:10:13 pm #53
Well ol May's got somebody else to screw, UCLA's coach
"If you are able, save for them a place inside of you and save one backward glance when you are leaving for the places they can no longer go.
     Be not ashamed to say you loved them, though you may or may not have always. Take what they have taught you with their dying and keep it with your own.

     And in that time when men decide and feel safe to call the war insane, take one moment to embrace those gentle heroes you left behind.

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 06:26:47 pm #54
So Barry actually had 2,850 including the Bowl (222, 5 TD's) and in only 12 games?

Why don't they add those stats post-mortem so to speak?

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:27:20 pm #55
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 06:26:47 pm
So Barry actually had 2,850 including the Bowl (222, 5 TD's)?

Why don't they add those stats post-mortem so to speak?

The record book is always dictated by  'the rule at the time of the accomplishment'-- thus, Barry's bowl numbers don't count.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:27:55 pm #56
104 second half yards to go.  Come on MSU, sustain some drives.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:30:36 pm #57
Woohoo!   The endangered species '1st down'  spotted in Memphis!
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:46:16 pm #58
He needs 76 more yards in the last 20 minutes to break Barry's record;  this is going to come down to the wire, folks.


Come on MSU; I wanna see a 8 minute clock eating drive here.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ThunderHog

December 29, 2007, 06:49:26 pm #59
Quote from: hogs25 on December 29, 2007, 05:27:53 pm
The sad thing is I've never heard of him till about 30 minutes ago.
Do you have one of those old time antennas that only picks up one station?

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 06:50:22 pm #60
Welcome to CUSA!  What a hit.

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:51:19 pm #61
Quote from: HoopS on December 29, 2007, 06:50:22 pm
Welcome to CUSA!  What a hit.

They still nearly converted.

Nice pop by the Bulldog there, too.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 06:52:22 pm #62
Absolutely.  2 nice licks...
 

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:53:27 pm #63
Quote from: HoopS on December 29, 2007, 06:52:22 pm
Absolutely.  2 nice licks...

I just don't want to see Barry's record go.   He was such a fantastic back, and a joy to watch at all points in his career.  He deserves to keep the single-season mark a little while longer.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 06:55:10 pm #64
Erie, what was the O/U?

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 06:55:56 pm #65
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 06:58:39 pm #66
I agree, Erie.  As you can tell, I think KS is good.  I've enjoyed watching him this year.  Barry is on a whole other planet. And the # of games needs to always be mentioned.  Plus, BS did it in the Big 8.

I just don't like seeing KS get dogged in order to make DMac look better.  DMac is the bomb!  No need to hate on somebody else to prop our own up.  Not that you did that, because you didn't.  I'm just sayin...

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:00:22 pm #67
Quote from: HoopS on December 29, 2007, 06:58:39 pm
I agree, Erie.  As you can tell, I think KS is good.  I've enjoyed watching him this year.  Barry is on a whole other planet. And the # of games needs to always be mentioned.  Plus, BS did it in the Big 8.

I just don't like seeing KS get dogged in order to make DMac look better.  DMac is the bomb!  No need to hate on somebody else to prop our own up.  Not that you did that, because you didn't.  I'm just sayin...

Understandable;  KS is an outstanding back, but nobody, to my mind, is Barry's equal or better.    I'm not old enough to have seen Jim Brown play in person, but I can easily imagine what it would be like to be a person who did, who was trying to explain it to someone who'd only seen Barry;  nowadays,  I'm increasingly in their shoes.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

HoopS

December 29, 2007, 07:01:38 pm #68
You and me both.

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 07:04:41 pm #69
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 06:55:56 pm
58 points.

This would have been a nice 401K bet huh?

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:06:35 pm #70
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 07:04:41 pm
This would have been a nice 401K bet huh?

Hell yes it was.   The Liberty is one of my 6 bowl week bets;  Paddy Power is retarded, officially, when it comes to College Football, so I make sure to exploit it whenever possible; they rarely if ever move off of the initial line offered by Vegas.


No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:14:14 pm #71
They desperately need to complete a pass.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:17:20 pm #72
Quote from: Ar_Hog on December 29, 2007, 07:14:36 pm
Where's the team that beat Auburn and Bama ???

They're still there;  it remains a tie ball game.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Publius

December 29, 2007, 07:18:31 pm #73
Score?
 

SpiritHog

December 29, 2007, 07:19:16 pm #74
UCF has had their opportunities.  Now MSU catches a break.
Non Illegitimus Carborundum

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 07:19:30 pm #75
Lord, this is like watching Auburn v. Arkansas.

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:20:23 pm #76
Quote from: Publius on December 29, 2007, 07:18:31 pm
Score?

3-3 in the 4th quarter, 10 minutes left to go
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:20:43 pm #77
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 07:19:30 pm
Lord, this is like watching Auburn v. Arkansas.

Except with less effective passers.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Maverick Razorback

December 29, 2007, 07:21:05 pm #78
MSU looks terrible..is Nutt calling the plays?
IF YOU AINT FIRST...YOUR LAST!!

One of Arkansas last lowriders.

SL04

December 29, 2007, 07:21:41 pm #79
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 07:20:43 pm
Except with less effective passers.


Carrol was just benched for Michael Henig, if that tells you anything.

Maverick Razorback

December 29, 2007, 07:22:20 pm #80
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 07:19:30 pm
Lord, this is like watching Auburn v. Arkansas.
i am fighting the channel surf urge..jeez
IF YOU AINT FIRST...YOUR LAST!!

One of Arkansas last lowriders.

Publius

December 29, 2007, 07:22:35 pm #81
Quote from: ErieHog on December 29, 2007, 07:20:23 pm
3-3 in the 4th quarter, 10 minutes left to go
Thanks, EH...I'm putting away X-mas stuff and can't watch the tele.

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:23:21 pm #82
Quote from: Maverick Razorback on December 29, 2007, 07:22:20 pm
i am fighting the channel surf urge..jeez

Why?   This is dramatic football at it's finest;  any one play will prove the difference between victory and defeat!
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 07:24:50 pm #83
HDN will have his hands full with the MSU defense. 

SigHog87

December 29, 2007, 07:25:19 pm #84

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:27:18 pm #85
Quote from: Sao Ming on December 29, 2007, 07:24:50 pm
HDN will have his hands full with the MSU defense. 

Penalty flags may be the difference in this game;  heck, they're usually for more yardage than the respective offense's drives.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

El Supremo

December 29, 2007, 07:34:40 pm #86
The pass interference was a bad call.  Now the interception and they are actually moving the ball.  This is a dog fight.

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:34:58 pm #87
Looks like MSU may be in clock melt mode now;  barring a huge play,  Barry's record may be safe-- with only 60 yards to spare or so.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 07:35:14 pm #88
Total Passing, combined:  15/36  109

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 07:35:52 pm #89
Make that 16/37 for 119

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 07:36:39 pm #90
Kevin Smith:  35 for 119   Long = 15

Maverick Razorback

December 29, 2007, 07:42:36 pm #91
finally
IF YOU AINT FIRST...YOUR LAST!!

One of Arkansas last lowriders.

SpiritHog

December 29, 2007, 07:43:03 pm #92
Phew.  Its still not over.
Non Illegitimus Carborundum

Sao Ming

December 29, 2007, 07:43:17 pm #93
Touchdown Auburn!

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:43:20 pm #94
Gah!  They are giving the ball back too fast :)   I don't want Kevin Smith to get another possession to try to catch Barry...
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Maverick Razorback

December 29, 2007, 07:43:24 pm #95
i sure hope they hang on..i was beginning to fear the CUSA comments..
IF YOU AINT FIRST...YOUR LAST!!

One of Arkansas last lowriders.

Maverick Razorback

December 29, 2007, 07:43:41 pm #96
IF YOU AINT FIRST...YOUR LAST!!

One of Arkansas last lowriders.

PorkBrainz

December 29, 2007, 07:45:11 pm #97
boringest game i've ever watched, but finally, miss st makes a td. sure wish it was Tulsa playing miss st tonight.


i'm just waiting for the pats-giants game to start.
Go Hogs!

ErieHog

December 29, 2007, 07:45:52 pm #98
Quote from: Ar_Hog on December 29, 2007, 07:44:43 pm
State has got the Mo...Defense will D up

Barry's record is safe

If UCF scores here, even if he doesn't get it in regulation, he will get a ton of carries in OT.   It ain't over till it's over.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

El Supremo

December 29, 2007, 07:47:13 pm #99
nice hit!
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