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Title: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: lakecityhog on September 11, 2017, 09:00:06 pm
It seems that in another thread I read that during the Petrino fiasco JL actually offered Petrino a way to keep his job. Is that true or just rumor? Anyone know any of the details of the offer?


If this is true and that Petrino turned down the JL offer, was integrity an after-thought? Is this just one more example of hype over truth?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: LZH on September 11, 2017, 09:01:03 pm
Good Lord.....yes.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: sir-pigs-a-lot on September 11, 2017, 09:07:21 pm
Yes. Bob wanted out. He found a way. Hogvilles hero didn't wanna be here any longer.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on September 11, 2017, 09:08:25 pm
It seems that in another thread I read that during the Petrino fiasco JL actually offered Petrino a way to keep his job. Is that true or just rumor? Anyone know any of the details of the offer?


If this is true and that Petrino turned down the JL offer, was integrity an after-thought? Is this just one more example of hype over truth?

Details? No. As I remember it, Petrino made a comment that Long "was trying to turn me into a monk." He left Long's office and went home, had second thoughts, and tried to get back in touch with Long. Too late.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: LZH on September 11, 2017, 09:11:31 pm
Bottom line, Petrino could have saved his job but he was too much of a prick to do it. End of story. Now we Now we are
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 11, 2017, 09:13:03 pm
Long specifically denied that there wer any conditions under which Petrino could have kept his job at the press conference. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 09:15:12 pm
Long specifically denied that there wer any conditions under which Petrino could have kept his job at the press conference.

Cause that's always completely accurate.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: LZH on September 11, 2017, 09:15:56 pm
Long specifically denied that there wer any conditions under which Petrino could have kept his job at the press conference. 

Trust me....that was bullshiite.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 11, 2017, 09:16:27 pm
Cause that's always completely accurate.

It's the only definitive statement from someone who was there that we have.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 09:18:44 pm
Trust me....that was bullshiite.

"I told him what must be done to remain employed at the University of Arkansas. He told me to go Frank myself with the mini bat on the shelf behind my desk," sounds like press conference material.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on September 11, 2017, 09:19:01 pm
The media received leaks right up to the firing PC that Petrino was staying.

Now, these are just rumors that were floating around the media room...but...

According to some, Jeff Long was planning on keeping Petrino, but some big money boosters wanted a personal apology.  It was a couple of people that are community leaders, so I was told.  Bobby P. was willing to apologize but not to grovel for his job to these men.  He basically told them to...well...

So, Jeff fired him.

Now, is any of that true?  I don't know.  However, that was the talk among some of my fellow media people.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: lakecityhog on September 11, 2017, 09:19:54 pm
So did Long basically lie at the press conference?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 09:20:30 pm
So did Long basically lie at the press conference?

He didn't define the context in which he was answering.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: grayhawg on September 11, 2017, 09:22:08 pm
What difference does it make, it was over years ago time to move on.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on September 11, 2017, 09:22:09 pm
So did Long basically lie at the press conference?

Yes.  Without a doubt.

I was personally told by staff in the BAC that Long looked for a way to keep Bobby, but Bobby didn't cooperate.  So yes.  He lied.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 11, 2017, 09:22:16 pm
The media received leaks right up to the firing PC that Petrino was staying.

Now, these are just rumors that were floating around the media room...but...

According to some, Jeff Long was planning on keeping Petrino, but some big money boosters wanted a personal apology.  It was a couple of people that are community leaders, so I was told.  Bobby P. was willing to apologize but not to grovel for his job to these men.  He basically told them to...well...

So, Jeff fired him.

Now, is any of that true?  I don't know.  However, that was the talk among some of my fellow media people.

Well, they showed him.  Petrino will never coach at a BCS program again....
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Marshfieldhog on September 11, 2017, 09:24:39 pm
The media received leaks right up to the firing PC that Petrino was staying.

Now, these are just rumors that were floating around the media room...but...

According to some, Jeff Long was planning on keeping Petrino, but some big money boosters wanted a personal apology.  It was a couple of people that are community leaders, so I was told.  Bobby P. was willing to apologize but not to grovel for his job to these men.  He basically told them to...well...

So, Jeff fired him.

Now, is any of that true?  I don't know.  However, that was the talk among some of my fellow media people.

So close to continued success, yet so far.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Sivad on September 11, 2017, 09:28:05 pm
Whatever the discussions/negotiations were, it was a mistake for #5 Arkansas to fire Bobby Petrino.
The only entity that benefited from it was the personal reputation of one Jeff Long.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 09:30:11 pm
What difference does it make, it was over years ago time to move on.

Not reliving it. Just discussing it.

You don't have to read it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 11, 2017, 09:30:54 pm
Whatever the discussions/negotiations were, it was a mistake for #5 Arkansas to fire Bobby Petrino.
The only entity that benefited from it was the personal reputation of one Jeff Long.

Well, and Petrino.  He doesn't have to work for Long anymore.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 09:32:22 pm
Well, and Petrino.  He doesn't have to work for Long anymore.

Not like long had any leverage on him whatsoever before the wreck. Bobby was untouchable before that.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Gonzo on September 11, 2017, 09:32:44 pm
Details? No. As I remember it, Petrino made a comment that Long "was trying to turn me into a monk." He left Long's office and went home, had second thoughts, and tried to get back in touch with Long. Too late.

Long specifically denied that there wer any conditions under which Petrino could have kept his job at the press conference. 


IMO this sums up the reason for the unrest in the fanbase regarding the decision, there doesn't seem to be one clear, official version. Regardless of whether JL chose the "right", or even only, option, I think he could have handled the situation more effectively.

If he did offer BP terms that would have allowed him to keep the job, he should have been open with what they were. Then any refusal by BP would have resulted in BP bearing the burden of any explanation for his decision. I think the fanbase would have mostly (much more so than they way it played out) lined up behind JL and supported his action.

However, if he did offer BP an option, I think that, along with his denial of any such option, undermines his integrity stance more than just a little. If an alternative was offered, then the final decision was not strictly about ethics.

That being said, only BP was responsible for getting himself into a situation where any of the details matter.


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 11, 2017, 09:34:01 pm
Not like long had any leverage on him whatsoever before the wreck. Bobby was untouchable before that.

As he should have been
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 09:37:02 pm
As he should have been

Meh. Unfortunately hiring Jessica into the football staff was all that was really needed. Sucks, but the truth.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 11, 2017, 09:39:40 pm
Meh. Unfortunately hiring Jessica into the football staff was all that was really needed. Sucks, but the truth.

Hiring a chick for a made up position is a fireable offense.  If he had made up a position for his son like 80% of the other coaches in the world who have a kid interested in that, no one would have said a word.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 11, 2017, 09:43:09 pm
Well, and Petrino.  He doesn't have to work for Long anymore.
And he's back in Louisville where the moneyed donors are apparently more secure in their own skins. You know, old thoroughbred money... not chicken scratch or whatever.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 11, 2017, 09:48:12 pm
It does show how stupid we were though.  Now when they talk about Louisville every Saturday, no one mentions the Atlanta Falcons, no one mentions the motorcycle, no one mentions Arkansas.  They just talk about what a badass coach he is and what a badass team he has.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 09:48:35 pm
Hiring a chick for a made up position is a fireable offense.  If he had made up a position for his son like 80% of the other coaches in the world who have a kid interested in that, no one would have said a word.

He's not sleeping with his son. I seriously hope not anyway.

It to mention they OBVIOUSLY didn't hire the most qualified applicant. He was an LSU Grad with a Masters.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 11, 2017, 09:51:02 pm
He's not sleeping with his son. I seriously hope not anyway.

It to mention they OBVIOUSLY didn't hire the most qualified applicant. He was an LSU Grad with a Masters.

It was A MADE UP POSITION.  They only posted it because they had to by law.  Every school district in Arkansas post positions every single day that they have no intention of filling with an outsider no matter how qualified he may be because they already know who they are going to promote or move within the district to take it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: lakecityhog on September 11, 2017, 09:56:30 pm
Do any of you realize that the "hiring his own mistress" is another load of "company line" bull?

Coaches do not hire anyone, they recommend to, guess who, their choice along with a salary offer. The AD's office does the hiring just like administration does at any company.

How many of you actually believe that BP fooling around was a real secret? Didn't she travel with BP on a couple of trips? Word was she was part of the reason the kid from Missouri de-committed.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: BigE_23 on September 11, 2017, 10:00:40 pm
Do any of you realize that the "hiring his own mistress" is another load of "company line" bull?

Coaches do not hire anyone, they recommend to, guess who, their choice along with a salary offer. The AD's office does the hiring just like administration does at any company.

How many of you actually believe that BP fooling around was a real secret? Didn't she travel with BP on a couple of trips? Word was she was part of the reason the kid from Missouri de-committed.

It has been widely speculated that Saint Jeffrey knew every detail of what was going on with Bobby and Jessica but fired CBP to cover his own ass.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Tejano Jawg on September 11, 2017, 10:03:15 pm
Word was she was part of the reason the kid from Missouri de-committed.

How so?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: lakecityhog on September 11, 2017, 10:03:25 pm
A lot in this thread kinda takes a little of the shine off the Integrity Trophy,Huh?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Ched "UglyUncle" Carpenter on September 11, 2017, 10:06:36 pm
A lot in this thread kinda takes a little of the shine off the Integrity Trophy,Huh?

indeed.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 11, 2017, 10:08:14 pm
Do any of you realize that the "hiring his own mistress" is another load of "company line" bull?

Coaches do not hire anyone, they recommend to, guess who, their choice along with a salary offer. The AD's office does the hiring just like administration does at any company.

How many of you actually believe that BP fooling around was a real secret? Didn't she travel with BP on a couple of trips? Word was she was part of the reason the kid from Missouri de-committed.

who from Missouri de committed?  Please elaborate in full on this supposed story
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: The Boar War on September 11, 2017, 10:08:32 pm
It does show how stupid we were though.  Now when they talk about Louisville every Saturday, no one mentions the Atlanta Falcons, no one mentions the motorcycle, no one mentions Arkansas.  They just talk about what a badass coach he is and what a badass team he has.

As most knew it would.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porked Tongue on September 11, 2017, 10:09:59 pm
Well, I'm not of the view we're hearing all truth in this thread.  Not saying anyone is a liar but going buy what they are told might be accurate.

This is for certain, Bobby had a shot to save himself but didn't conform.  I also know that other indiscretions came to light that are not in the public domain.  The man had no contrition.  It was never going to get right for him.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: BigE_23 on September 11, 2017, 10:10:00 pm
who from Missouri de committed?  Please elaborate in full on this supposed story

I don't know if de-comitted was the right word...but I suspect this is referring to Dorial Green-Beckham. The rumor I remember hearing is that DGB's mom was offended but the fact that Jessica attended a recruiting trip.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ImHogginIt on September 11, 2017, 10:10:29 pm
He's not sleeping with his son. I seriously hope not anyway.

It to mention they OBVIOUSLY didn't hire the most qualified applicant. He was an LSU Grad with a Masters.

She was more than qualified to be on campus recruiting coordinator. By your logic Bielema should have hired the most experienced OL coach that applied for line coach instead of hiring lumpy.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porked Tongue on September 11, 2017, 10:10:58 pm
Man, don't get me started on DGB.

He's a pathological friggin liar.  Not to mention a thief.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: BigE_23 on September 11, 2017, 10:11:54 pm
Man, don't get me started on DGB.

He's a pathological friggin liar.  Not to mention a thief.

Agreed...it's just another chapter in the saga. We didn't lose anything with him, for sure.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PonderinHog on September 11, 2017, 10:12:56 pm
How so?
DGB ran into them out on the town together somewhere in Texas.  That's all I remember.  heard it on Hogville. Must be true.


Bonjour.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gbaurnett on September 11, 2017, 10:17:05 pm
I miss Bobby!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 11, 2017, 10:17:07 pm
DGB ran into them out on the town together somewhere in Texas.  That's all I remember.  heard it on Hogville. Must be true.


Bonjour.

That was at some camp or something they bumped in to each other and he self reported it, or so was the public version. 

To accuse him of a theif, id love to hear the story!  Haha

DGB used that as a reason just makes him look silly.  Dude was in strip clubs and bars all over on recruiting trips.  Then obviously loved to smoke
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 10:18:47 pm
She was more than qualified to be on campus recruiting coordinator. By your logic Bielema should have hired the most experienced OL coach that applied for line coach instead of hiring lumpy.

The position was student athlete development coordinator and it called for a masters degree and experience in a football program. She had neither.

Up until that point, her only experience was as a head coach's concubine.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: The Boar War on September 11, 2017, 10:19:07 pm
Well, I'm not of the view we're hearing all truth in this thread.  Not saying anyone is a liar but going buy what they are told might be accurate.

This is for certain, Bobby had a shot to save himself but didn't conform.  I also know that other indiscretions came to light that are not in the public domain.  The man had no contrition.  It was never going to get right for him.

I remember at the time there was some rumors over a multiple game suspension.  Allegedly Petrino would not agree to it because it would hurt the team.  In the end he really didn't believe Long would fire him.  He didn't count on Jeff being happier with a 6-6 coach than a BCS Bowl team lead by Bobby Petrino.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Hog_Swanson on September 11, 2017, 10:20:43 pm
I love this thread. ;D
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PonderinHog on September 11, 2017, 10:22:01 pm
I love this thread. ;D
And this thread loves you.   


Precious memories...
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Mo_Better_Hogs on September 11, 2017, 10:25:35 pm
I love this thread. ;D

Well, it IS making me forget about TCU.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porked Tongue on September 11, 2017, 10:28:46 pm
I remember at the time there was some rumors over a multiple game suspension.  Allegedly Petrino would not agree to it because it would hurt the team.  In the end he really didn't believe Long would fire him.  He didn't count on Jeff being happier with a 6-6 coach than a BCS Bowl team lead by Bobby Petrino.
Can't play when you're sitting in jail. 

Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 10:29:01 pm
Well, it IS making me forget about TCU.

Word. Got in a car accident so let's reminisce about losing a leg in the war to make myself feel better about it. Lol.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Hog_Swanson on September 11, 2017, 10:32:06 pm
Word. Got in a car accident so let's reminisce about losing a leg in the war to make myself feel better about it. Lol.
Did you loose a leg?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: jmg018 on September 11, 2017, 10:32:53 pm
Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all...
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on September 11, 2017, 10:33:18 pm
Did you loose a leg?

Has anyone ever intentionally loosed their leg?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porked Tongue on September 11, 2017, 10:34:19 pm
Turn me loose and set me free.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 10:35:12 pm
Has anyone ever intentionally loosed their leg?

I did once but stopped going to strip clubs right after.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 10:35:50 pm
Did you loose a leg?

No. Been shot a couple times, but fortunately I have all my appendages and limbs.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PonderinHog on September 11, 2017, 10:36:13 pm
Has anyone ever intentionally loosed their leg?
Someone loosed an arrow to his knee.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Gonzo on September 11, 2017, 10:51:20 pm
Can't play when you're sitting in jail. 



Guess I'm missing the reference here.



Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 11, 2017, 10:52:31 pm
Guess I'm missing the reference here.



Go Hogs!

You're missing the killer instink

Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 11, 2017, 11:03:26 pm
Well, I'm not of the view we're hearing all truth in this thread.  Not saying anyone is a liar but going buy what they are told might be accurate.

This is for certain, Bobby had a shot to save himself but didn't conform.  I also know that other indiscretions came to light that are not in the public domain.  The man had no contrition.  It was never going to get right for him.
But, like poster said, when they talk about him and the Cardinals every Saturday, nobody mentions Jessica, the motorcycle, the lack of contrition, how he offended Cotton Bowl officials who "will never have him back," the Falcons or poor Arkansas. They mention his coaching genius. And he did get hired  as the head football coach. not the head of First National Church of the World in Northwest Arkansas.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porked Tongue on September 11, 2017, 11:09:45 pm
But, like poster said, when they talk about him and the Cardinals every Saturday, nobody mentions Jessica, the motorcycle, the lack of contrition, how he offended Cotton Bowl officials who "will never have him back," the Falcons or poor Arkansas. They mention his coaching genius. And he did get hired  as the head football coach. not the head of First National Church of the World in Northwest Arkansas.
Those people are in "sales".

Let's not forget the sheetstorm that followed him here.  This was just the one that got him as he got comfortable over time.  His departure was never going to be anything but ugly.

And for the record, I'm not a moralist or need my football coach to hold the perfect moral compass.  Being a curmudgeon is fine.  But he builds his world to occasionally crumble.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 11, 2017, 11:10:50 pm
Can't play when you're sitting in jail.

Dwi?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porked Tongue on September 11, 2017, 11:11:58 pm
Dwi?
If pursued, it would been more than that for DGB.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 11, 2017, 11:14:00 pm
If pursued, it would been more than that for DGB.

I think I know the story younare talking about, but the theif part is a blank on me.  Would love to know the completed story
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porked Tongue on September 11, 2017, 11:14:48 pm
I think I know the story younare talking about, but the theif part is a blank on me.  Would love to know the completed story
Two separate incidents.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on September 11, 2017, 11:15:45 pm
Dwi?

This is the sixth football season since that disastrous April day.

Were Petrino still here, it would be his 10th in Fayetteville. Possible, sure; I'd wager not probable. I figure Long would still have had to hire Petrino's replacement by now, and it probably would have turned out about like it has.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 11, 2017, 11:25:03 pm
Two separate incidents.

Ok that's why then. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 11, 2017, 11:26:28 pm
This is the sixth football season since that disastrous April day.

Were Petrino still here, it would be his 10th in Fayetteville. Possible, sure; I'd wager not probable. I figure Long would still have had to hire Petrino's replacement by now, and it probably would have turned out about like it has.

I agree.  I also think the next coach, whenever it is, will be walking in to a really good situation, we have some very good foundational pieces in my opinion.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: The Boar War on September 12, 2017, 08:25:02 am
I agree.  I also think the next coach, whenever it is, will be walking in to a really good situation, we have some very good foundational pieces in my opinion.

Maybe.  I'm actually surprised by the lack of foundational pieces he's brought in.  After watching Bielema and Wisconsin I was sure that, if nothing else, we would have strong lines and a decent running game when he left.  Almost any incoming coach can do something with that.  I would have bet money that 3 and 1 would be a gimme in year 5.  For whatever reason it hasn't worked out that way.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: OneTuskOverTheLine™ on September 12, 2017, 08:28:30 am
Cause that's always completely accurate.

 What he said VS What some message board poster thinks he may have possibly heard in some thread or another...
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: cram224 on September 12, 2017, 08:46:13 am
I have a question for the armchair AD's. CBP after a day or two could have just returned to work and not said one thing. No comment. However, he called a press conference and lied to you, me, Jeff Long and every other hog fan out there. He was stupid for doing that and that is why I feel he should not be the coach now. When in trouble just keep your mouth shut. What say you armchair AD's.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: TulsaHawg on September 12, 2017, 08:55:46 am
I sat by a former player on the bus after the game Saturday.  He played for Petrino.

As slowly as the bus travelled down Razorback Road, we had a chance to talk about several things.

I asked him if most of the players wanted BP to stay. Not surprisingly, he said yes.

I asked him what he thought should have happened with BP, he said he thought it should have been "swept under the rug". 

We also talked about DGB. He said DGB told the players on his recruiting visit, that he was not coming to Arkansas, but that he was going to Mizzou.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 12, 2017, 08:56:55 am
I have a question for the armchair AD's. CBP after a day or two could have just returned to work and not said one thing. No comment. However, he called a press conference and lied to you, me, Jeff Long and every other hog fan out there. He was stupid for doing that and that is why I feel he should not be the coach now. When in trouble just keep your mouth shut. What say you armchair AD's.

I don't  think he called for that press conference.   Im sure if it was up to him he would have waited for the road rash to at least heal
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 12, 2017, 08:58:31 am
I have a question for the armchair AD's. CBP after a day or two could have just returned to work and not said one thing. No comment. However, he called a press conference and lied to you, me, Jeff Long and every other hog fan out there. He was stupid for doing that and that is why I feel he should not be the coach now. When in trouble just keep your mouth shut. What say you armchair AD's.

I say it is pretty rich that you blame him for lying at his press conference and don't blame Jeff Long for lying at his.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Fan701 on September 12, 2017, 09:04:21 am
Firing BP was a self-inflicted wound that we may never recover from, at least not in my life-time.  It's now hard to imagine finishing a season ranked #5, expecting to win most games, being relevant, going to BCS bowl games.  And who knows, maybe with just the right ingredients and a little luck he'd have won a national championship for us by now.  It always seemed possible with him.  Now success looks far, far away.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 09:04:23 am
I see there are those on here that are still kissing Jeff Long's backside and believe everything he said about Petrino. I did the same thing with Houston Nutt for years until the truth about him became too obvious to deny any longer. The number of people finally realizing the truth about Jeff Long is growing though, and that's good to see.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: IronHog on September 12, 2017, 09:21:13 am
This is the sixth football season since that disastrous April day.

Were Petrino still here, it would be his 10th in Fayetteville. Possible, sure; I'd wager not probable. I figure Long would still have had to hire Petrino's replacement by now, and it probably would have turned out about like it has.

Brandon Allen would have destroyed all with BP.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 12, 2017, 09:29:11 am
She might not have been the most qualified, but she has an MBA.
The position was student athlete development coordinator and it called for a masters degree and experience in a football program. She had neither.

Up until that point, her only experience was as a head coach's concubine.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: DeltaBoy on September 12, 2017, 09:31:21 am
Thanks for clearing this up!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ImHogginIt on September 12, 2017, 09:34:52 am
The position was student athlete development coordinator and it called for a masters degree and experience in a football program. She had neither.

Up until that point, her only experience was as a head coach's concubine.

The football coach can hire anyone he wants. It makes no difference what the actual listed job description says
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 007 License To Squeal on September 12, 2017, 09:37:47 am
It's the only definitive statement from someone who was there that we have.

and that makes it a true statement?  uh...no.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 09:38:04 am
Brandon Allen would have destroyed all with BP.


I agree. BP knows how to develop QB's and the proof is in the pudding. When Tyler Wilson arrived on campus from Greenwood, he couldn't even take a snap from up under center without fumbling or mishandling it. It took BP and his staff 3 years to turn him from a shotgun only QB into a multi-purpose pro style QB.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 12, 2017, 09:39:26 am
and that makes it a true statement?  uh...no.

Not necessarily, but it is the only statement on the record that isn't rumor or innuendo.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 09:40:35 am
Jeff Longs notes regarding the Petrino incident...

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jeff-long-notes.pdf

Bobby Petrinos Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/bobby-petrino-personnel-file.pdf

John Fagg's notes

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jon-fagg-notes.pdf

Jessica Dorrell's Personnel file

https://localtvkfsm.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/jessica-dorrell-personnel-file.pdf
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: solitons on September 12, 2017, 09:43:20 am
Long didn't handle well to protect his people--our coach
Long screwed our football program
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 10:54:15 am
I see there are those on here that are still kissing Jeff Long's backside and believe everything he said about Petrino. I did the same thing with Houston Nutt for years until the truth about him became too obvious to deny any longer. The number of people finally realizing the truth about Jeff Long is growing though, and that's good to see.

I see there are those on here who are still kissing Bobby Petrino's backside.  My view is this. Bobby Petrino is a snake and a man of low character. Those who defend him and suggest he should have remained Arkansas' coach forget that the University of Arkansas is NOT chartered by the state to provide Saturday entertainment to a bunch of people who never even attended, much less graduated from the university. It is tasked with providing higher education to those who are accepted and to provide the state with lawyers, doctors, accountants, teachers etc.

I understand that many fans have no relationship to the university except the sports teams but those people should be smart enough to understand that Petrino was a representative of the university as a whole and, as such, the state of Arkansas and he abused his position, in fact he pretty much debased the school and the state by his actions. To rationalize his behavior because he won football games puts people who do that, in my opinion, in the same category of character as Bobby himself. Further I would really like to know how many actual graduates of the university, bachelor's degree or graduate degree, actually think Bobby Petrino should have been retained as coach.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: IronHog on September 12, 2017, 11:26:37 am
I see there are those on here who are still kissing Bobby Petrino's backside.  My view is this. Bobby Petrino is a snake and a man of low character. Those who defend him and suggest he should have remained Arkansas' coach forget that the University of Arkansas is NOT chartered by the state to provide Saturday entertainment to a bunch of people who never even attended, much less graduated from the university. It is tasked with providing higher education to those who are accepted and to provide the state with lawyers, doctors, accountants, teachers etc.

I understand that many fans have no relationship to the university except the sports teams but those people should be smart enough to understand that Petrino was a representative of the university as a whole and, as such, the state of Arkansas and he abused his position, in fact he pretty much debased the school and the state by his actions. To rationalize his behavior because he won football games puts people who do that, in my opinion, in the same category of character as Bobby himself. Further I would really like to know how many actual graduates of the university, bachelor's degree or graduate degree, actually think Bobby Petrino should have been retained as coach.

Most UA alumni bail to Dallas ASAP


Play to win or let A State have the helmet
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 11:38:38 am
I see there are those on here who are still kissing Bobby Petrino's backside.  My view is this. Bobby Petrino is a snake and a man of low character. Those who defend him and suggest he should have remained Arkansas' coach forget that the University of Arkansas is NOT chartered by the state to provide Saturday entertainment to a bunch of people who never even attended, much less graduated from the university. It is tasked with providing higher education to those who are accepted and to provide the state with lawyers, doctors, accountants, teachers etc.

I understand that many fans have no relationship to the university except the sports teams but those people should be smart enough to understand that Petrino was a representative of the university as a whole and, as such, the state of Arkansas and he abused his position, in fact he pretty much debased the school and the state by his actions. To rationalize his behavior because he won football games puts people who do that, in my opinion, in the same category of character as Bobby himself. Further I would really like to know how many actual graduates of the university, bachelor's degree or graduate degree, actually think Bobby Petrino should have been retained as coach.

That's right keep kissing Jeff Long's backside. Your ignorance is amazing. I have never once even tried to rationalize BP's behavior at Arkansas, I have always stated that he was wrong and should have been punished for it. He should not however, have been fired as his transgressions did not merit that. It was just another one of Long's failures
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 11:43:00 am
That's right keep kissing Jeff Long's backside. Your ignorance is amazing. I have never once even tried to rationalize BP's behavior at Arkansas, I have always stated that he was wrong and should have been punished for it. He should not however, have been fired as his transgressions did not merit that. It was just another one of Long's failures

I would argue that a state employee hiring a whore with stolen money was an offense worthy of firing and I would further suggest that you and every other Petrino supporter on this site would have insisted that is was if jeff Long had been caught doing it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:43:58 am
That's right keep kissing Jeff Long's backside. Your ignorance is amazing. I have never once even tried to rationalize BP's behavior at Arkansas, I have always stated that he was wrong and should have been punished for it. He should not however, have been fired as his transgressions did not merit that. It was just another one of Long's failures

He embarrassed the University which was a breach of contract and was cause for termination
He supplemented an assistant salary with personal money which was a breach of contract and cause for termination
He lied to his boss and the media in a press conference that he called himself

You clam there was no reason to fire the man. You are the one who looks ignorant.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on September 12, 2017, 11:45:03 am
I see there are those on here who are still kissing Bobby Petrino's backside.  My view is this. Bobby Petrino is a snake and a man of low character. Those who defend him and suggest he should have remained Arkansas' coach forget that the University of Arkansas is NOT chartered by the state to provide Saturday entertainment to a bunch of people who never even attended, much less graduated from the university. It is tasked with providing higher education to those who are accepted and to provide the state with lawyers, doctors, accountants, teachers etc.

I understand that many fans have no relationship to the university except the sports teams but those people should be smart enough to understand that Petrino was a representative of the university as a whole and, as such, the state of Arkansas and he abused his position, in fact he pretty much debased the school and the state by his actions. To rationalize his behavior because he won football games puts people who do that, in my opinion, in the same category of character as Bobby himself. Further I would really like to know how many actual graduates of the university, bachelor's degree or graduate degree, actually think Bobby Petrino should have been retained as coach.

Wrong.  He debased himself and his family. 

Not one sane person thinks, "wow, that school is totally debased because of Bobby Petrino.  In fact, I think I'll go trout fishing someplace else; the White River is in Arkansas, a totally debased and morally corrupt state!"
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: solitons on September 12, 2017, 11:47:08 am
He embarrassed the University which was a breach of contract and was cause for termination
He supplemented an assistant salary with personal money which was a breach of contract and cause for termination
He lied to his boss and the media in a press conference that he called himself

You clam there was no reason to fire the man. You are the one who looks ignorant.
he wins a lot game too
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 11:48:30 am
he wins a lot game too

Yes he does, which is why it is a shame that the other stuff happened. I would have loved for him to still be our coach. However, the other stuff did happen.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 11:50:13 am
Most UA alumni bail to Dallas ASAP


Play to win or let A State have the helmet

And lots of them drive up to the games. A good proportion stay in NWA, too.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 11:52:43 am
I would argue that a state employee hiring a whore with stolen money was an offense worthy of firing and I would further suggest that you and every other Petrino supporter on this site would have insisted that is was if jeff Long had been caught doing it.

Pretty strong words, there. What stolen money, exactly?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: jgphillips3 on September 12, 2017, 11:53:49 am
I love the "actual graduates" opinion matters idea.  Here's an idea, why don't we let the teaching faculty and students coach the team and call the plays?  I mean, if their opinion matters so much, why not just have mathlete events in that stadium on Saturdays instead?  The whole State supports the Razorbacks.  If we didn't, they would be A-State at best and Fayetteville would still be a backwater town.  The athletics are what bind us ALL to the program and University.  Don't believe me or don't care, stop playing football tomorrow and see what happens to the beloved university in the eyes of the State. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 11:55:33 am
I love the "actual graduates" opinion matters idea.  Here's an idea, why don't we let the teaching faculty and students coach the team and call the plays?  I mean, if their opinion matters so much, why not just have mathlete events in that stadium on Saturdays instead?  The whole State supports the Razorbacks.  If we didn't, they would be A-State at best and Fayetteville would still be a backwater hole in the wall. 

Because some of them are graduates of other universities. We can't have that!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: IronHog on September 12, 2017, 11:58:15 am
And lots of them drive up to the games. A good proportion stay in NWA, too.

The north Dallas NWA Razorbacks are what they are......
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 12:11:15 pm
Wrong.  He debased himself and his family. 

Not one sane person thinks, "wow, that school is totally debased because of Bobby Petrino.  In fact, I think I'll go trout fishing someplace else; the White River is in Arkansas, a totally debased and morally corrupt state!"


No, you have a real problem if that is how you see it. He was not just a representative of the school and the state, but as the head coach in a football mad state, possibly the most visible representative. So I would say that "not one sane person" thinks Bobby Petrino didn't debase the school and the state by his actions.

Having a moral compass is somewhat important for everyone if society is going to function (and I'm no prude- I really don't care if he is having an private affair- that is between himself and his wife). But when a prominent person abuses his position and authority by using money that isn't his to hire a woman for his own personal (shall we be clear and say carnal) use then that moral failing reflects on the entire system if it isn't addressed. It certainly reflects on the school and the moral standards it expects from its employees.

Pretty strong words, there. What stolen money, exactly?

I'm sorry- perhaps I didn't understand the situation exactly. If the $55,000 salary, or whatever it was, was paid out Bobby's own pocket then I misprized him and I humbly apologize and beg his forgiveness.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 12:18:26 pm
The woman he hired had been working for the foundation prior to becoming involved with him. She possessed the minimum qualities for the job described, and could be considered a 'minority' hire, due to her gender. I think it was a stupid/dumb move for Petrino to hire her, but it's nothing Arkansas hasn't seen before (think Wilbur Mills). So, she was hired, she had the credentials, Long signed off on the hire (I will not engage in a debate on whether he had any inkling they were lovers).

Petrino deserved the firing, due to the fact that he embarrassed the university that employed him. I have always maintained another route could have been taken, but if Petrino refused to comply with the demands made in order to keep his job, then he made his own bed. I truly believe that he thought himself invincible; witness how Razorback fans will defend to the last their coaches especially winning coaches. He badly miscalculated and lost.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Nosboar Accubond on September 12, 2017, 12:20:06 pm
Fire Willy
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 12:24:39 pm
I love the "actual graduates" opinion matters idea.  Here's an idea, why don't we let the teaching faculty and students coach the team and call the plays?  I mean, if their opinion matters so much, why not just have mathlete events in that stadium on Saturdays instead?  The whole State supports the Razorbacks.  If we didn't, they would be A-State at best and Fayetteville would still be a backwater town.  The athletics are what bind us ALL to the program and University.  Don't believe me or don't care, stop playing football tomorrow and see what happens to the beloved university in the eyes of the State. 

Miss the point if you want, it's your prerogative. The "actual graduates" category is to suggest that the University of Arkansas is something more than a football team. Now I know that is a shocking idea to some but true nonetheless. The "actual graduates" have a stake in the school's reputation that goes beyond the fact that it happens to field athletic teams and Petrino's actions, beyond wins and losses, harmed that reputation.

I also know there is going to be an honest difference in viewpoint between those who see the University as nothing more than a state football team and those who see it as a part of their resume that impacts their livelihood but I would hope the former understand the fact that the idea of "integrity" might matter to the latter- at least in the case of something as egregious as Bobby Petrino.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 12:25:19 pm
The north Dallas NWA Razorbacks are what they are......

That's funny, while driving up Saturday I followed/passed a multitude of cars coming along I-40, it that the way people in Dallas drive to Fayetteville?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 12:27:55 pm
He embarrassed the University which was a breach of contract and was cause for termination
He supplemented an assistant salary with personal money which was a breach of contract and cause for termination
He lied to his boss and the media in a press conference that he called himself

You clam there was no reason to fire the man. You are the one who looks ignorant.

He did not embarrass the University.
He gave Jessica some money from his private account and it had nothing to do with her salary so was not a breach of contract.
His boss knew about the affair and lied when he claimed he didn't.

Like I said keep kissing Jeff's backside.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 12:31:30 pm
The woman he hired had been working for the foundation prior to becoming involved with him. She possessed the minimum qualities for the job described, and could be considered a 'minority' hire, due to her gender. I think it was a stupid/dumb move for Petrino to hire her, but it's nothing Arkansas hasn't seen before (think Wilbur Mills). So, she was hired, she had the credentials, Long signed off on the hire (I will not engage in a debate on whether he had any inkling they were lovers).

Petrino deserved the firing, due to the fact that he embarrassed the university that employed him. I have always maintained another route could have been taken, but if Petrino refused to comply with the demands made in order to keep his job, then he made his own bed. I truly believe that he thought himself invincible; witness how Razorback fans will defend to the last their coaches especially winning coaches. He badly miscalculated and lost.

I agree with all that but it doesn't change the facts of what he did. And, as to Long, I very much doubt Long knew what was going on when he signed off. If that was the case he embarrassed Long by making him complicit in the whole thing since Long's signature is on her hiring documents. If it had been me that would have been the final straw- but maybe I place too much emphasis to how much my reputation depends on my "integrity".
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HawgTrough on September 12, 2017, 12:32:51 pm
Member when Petrino was here and we won 21 games in a two year span? Oh I member
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: IronHog on September 12, 2017, 12:34:25 pm
That's funny, while driving up Saturday I followed/passed a multitude of cars coming along I-40, it that the way people in Dallas drive to Fayetteville?


Not everyone has let go of the rope I guess 😄
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: IronHog on September 12, 2017, 12:35:11 pm
Member when Petrino was here and we won 21 games in a two year span? Oh I member


Watched Bobby coach Saturday.  He's good
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 12:37:20 pm
I agree with all that but it doesn't change the facts of what he did. And, as to Long, I very much doubt Long knew what was going on when he signed off. If that was the case he embarrassed Long by making him complicit in the whole thing since Long's signature is on her hiring documents. If it had been me that would have been the final straw- but maybe I place too much emphasis to how much my reputation depends on my "integrity".

There's no doubt in my mind that Long knew about the affair when he signed off on Jessica's hire. There have been multiple people that have stated that everyone in the BAC, the coaching staff, and all of the players knew about the affair when it happened.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Fan1958 on September 12, 2017, 12:38:44 pm
May be mentioned in one of the responses but the best I remember is Long, obviously knowing the truth of what happened, asked BP if BP had "told him everything" and BP said "yes." Knowing the truth and knowing BP hadn't "told him everything", Long had no choice but to can BP. Had BP fessed up then and there, Long probably would have kept him.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 12:53:41 pm
I agree with all that but it doesn't change the facts of what he did. And, as to Long, I very much doubt Long knew what was going on when he signed off. If that was the case he embarrassed Long by making him complicit in the whole thing since Long's signature is on her hiring documents. If it had been me that would have been the final straw- but maybe I place too much emphasis to how much my reputation depends on my "integrity".

Indeed, it doesn't change anything. I was speaking to several points: 'theft' of money, 'potential lawsuits', valid grounds for dismissal, Petrino's seeing himself as 'untouchable', etc.

People act like this hasn't happened in Arkansas before. Granted, not at the university, but getting caught with your sidepiece is nothing new to Arkansans.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 01:00:54 pm
There's no doubt in my mind that Long knew about the affair when he signed off on Jessica's hire. There have been multiple people that have stated that everyone in the BAC, the coaching staff, and all of the players knew about the affair when it happened.

I don't know if you actually know something or not but if Long did know then Long should have been fired as well since he abetted Bobby's theft (and yes, paying a woman you are b....ing out of university coffers with a wink and a nod is "theft"- calling it "conflict of interest" is like calling Harvey a tropical squall).
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: phadedhawg on September 12, 2017, 01:05:32 pm
Wow, a lot of interesting-ish information-y things in this thread.  It delivers!  I'm not sure the accuracy of "common knowledge" I can only attest to not knowing about Bobby Petrino's fondness for subordinates before his motorcycle wreck.  The image of our coach wearing that stupid neck-brace in that press conference is not one I will forget any time soon.  Seeing that lead on Sportscenter was a cringe moment.  Finding out he lied, during what appeared to be a hastily called PC, was bad form.  Questions of complicity involving the State Police were a bad look too.  I think some are too laser focused on the great matter and fail to remember the toxic cloud that gathered around the great matter. 

What I find truly interesting is the myth of the "Bobby Petrino Golden Era of Arkansas Football".  This will kill his disciple's ears to hear but what did he do that Houston Nutt did not?   Style of play more exciting?  Maybe, that's debatable.  Matt Jones and the DMac eras were very exciting.  A brief ranking in the top 10?  Nutt did that in his first year.  Nutt took us to two SEC Championship games and was competitive in one of them...R. Fish....

Both had character issues involving women who were not their wives.  I would bet a large share of the crowd that still mourns for Petrino, probably thought Nutt's texts to Donna were cause to have him fired (granted there were many more reasons beyond that) 

I'm not rabid angry about Bret, I'm just bored with him.  I'm bored with this stubborn philosophy, bored with the caustic fan base's reaction to every loss.  Most coaches do not work out.  Almost every coach will be fired.  Every athletic director will hire a coach they will have to fire.  I don't see how any of this falls on Jeff Long's lap beyond the fact he will be the person to fire Bret end of this year or end of next. 

Most schools fire their coach if presented with similar circumstances.  Most athletic directors who recognize a valuable football coach would explore options of retaining a coach in a similar circumstance.  When those options are unsuccessful you put as much distance between you (university) and the offending out of favor head coach.  Do I hold Jeff Long responsible for making the best of a crappy situation he was handed?  Not even...I'm glad he was there to stage manage Petrino's inflicted disaster. 

Does losing suck?  Of course.  But losing doesn't change the facts of yesterday.  It is what it is and we have to move on.   
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 01:08:02 pm
There's no doubt in my mind that Long knew about the affair when he signed off on Jessica's hire. There have been multiple people that have stated that everyone in the BAC, the coaching staff, and all of the players knew about the affair when it happened.

So, it's ok for you to know that Long knew about the affair, but others can't know that Petrino was given options to stay. I'd call that Guv logic, lol.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on September 12, 2017, 01:10:47 pm
Wow, a lot of interesting-ish information-y things in this thread.  It delivers!  I'm not sure the accuracy of "common knowledge" I can only attest to not knowing about Bobby Petrino's fondness for subordinates before his motorcycle wreck.  The image of our coach wearing that stupid neck-brace in that press conference is not one I will forget any time soon.  Seeing that lead on Sportscenter was a cringe moment.  Finding out he lied, during what appeared to be a hastily called PC, was bad form.  Questions of complicity involving the State Police were a bad look too.  I think some are too laser focused on the great matter and fail to remember the toxic cloud that gathered around the great matter. 

What I find truly interesting is the myth of the "Bobby Petrino Golden Era of Arkansas Football".  This will kill his disciple's ears to hear but what did he do that Houston Nutt did not?   Style of play more exciting?  Maybe, that's debatable.  Matt Jones and the DMac eras were very exciting.  A brief ranking in the top 10?  Nutt did that in his first year.  Nutt took us to two SEC Championship games and was competitive in one of them...R. Fish....

Both had character issues involving women who were not their wives.  I would bet a large share of the crowd that still mourns for Petrino, probably thought Nutt's texts to Donna were cause to have him fired (granted there were many more reasons beyond that) 

I'm not rabid angry about Bret, I'm just bored with him.  I'm bored with this stubborn philosophy, bored with the caustic fan base's reaction to every loss.  Most coaches do not work out.  Almost every coach will be fired.  Every athletic director will hire a coach they will have to fire.  I don't see how any of this falls on Jeff Long's lap beyond the fact he will be the person to fire Bret end of this year or end of next. 

Most schools fire their coach if presented with similar circumstances.  Most athletic directors who recognize a valuable football coach would explore options of retaining a coach in a similar circumstance.  When those options are unsuccessful you put as much distance between you (university) and the offending out of favor head coach.  Do I hold Jeff Long responsible for making the best of a crappy situation he was handed?  Not even...I'm glad he was there to stage manage Petrino's inflicted disaster. 

Does losing suck?  Of course.  But losing doesn't change the facts of yesterday.  It is what it is and we have to move on.

Petrino beat LSU in 2010 with a chance for a BCS game on the line.

Nutt lost to LSU in 2006 with a BCS and maybe more on the line.

Petrino figured out a way to avoid the bad loss in 2011. Nutt wouldn't have. 

It's those few extra wins that make the difference.  Neither ended up building a stable program. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: solitons on September 12, 2017, 01:13:51 pm
The woman he hired had been working for the foundation prior to becoming involved with him. She possessed the minimum qualities for the job described, and could be considered a 'minority' hire, due to her gender. I think it was a stupid/dumb move for Petrino to hire her, but it's nothing Arkansas hasn't seen before (think Wilbur Mills). So, she was hired, she had the credentials, Long signed off on the hire (I will not engage in a debate on whether he had any inkling they were lovers).

Petrino deserved the firing, due to the fact that he embarrassed the university that employed him. I have always maintained another route could have been taken, but if Petrino refused to comply with the demands made in order to keep his job, then he made his own bed. I truly believe that he thought himself invincible; witness how Razorback fans will defend to the last their coaches especially winning coaches. He badly miscalculated and lost.
I am not sure if he deserved the firing, everybody knows that he did it wrong.
but if we compare to bill clinton's affair, and Clinton didn't get fired. so I'll say Long didn't handle well, there are many options to punish BP if Long worked hard to save our program.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hogcard1964 on September 12, 2017, 01:17:05 pm
It'll be interesting to witness how Bielema is remembered and talked about in January of 2018 or January of 2019.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on September 12, 2017, 01:17:45 pm
No, you have a real problem if that is how you see it. He was not just a representative of the school and the state, but as the head coach in a football mad state, possibly the most visible representative. So I would say that "not one sane person" thinks Bobby Petrino didn't debase the school and the state by his actions.

Having a moral compass is somewhat important for everyone if society is going to function (and I'm no prude- I really don't care if he is having an private affair- that is between himself and his wife). But when a prominent person abuses his position and authority by using money that isn't his to hire a woman for his own personal (shall we be clear and say carnal) use then that moral failing reflects on the entire system if it isn't addressed. It certainly reflects on the school and the moral standards it expects from its employees.

I'm sorry- perhaps I didn't understand the situation exactly. If the $55,000 salary, or whatever it was, was paid out Bobby's own pocket then I misprized him and I humbly apologize and beg his forgiveness.

Here's the truth of it. Had Long kept Petrino, a few women might have complained for a bit, but after we won the first football game the following September, no one would have cared.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: DLUXHOG on September 12, 2017, 01:19:57 pm
I don't  think he called for that press conference.   Im sure if it was up to him he would have waited for the road rash to at least heal

Actually he probably saw the positive response that all of the New Orleans folks received after they continually, for years, held their arms, and kept crying "Katrina "....
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: solitons on September 12, 2017, 01:40:13 pm
Here's the truth of it. Had Long kept Petrino, a few women might have complained for a bit, but after we won the first football game the following September, no one would have cared.
EXACTLY!!+1
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 01:46:10 pm
Here's the truth of it. Had Long kept Petrino, a few women might have complained for a bit, but after we won the first football game the following September, no one would have cared.

No doubt that is true since no one mentions it when Louisville plays now on national television and that is a sad thing. And it is the reason Long did the right thing by standing up for that now a much pilloried word that, on this site at least, seems to have taken on a definition that is the polar opposite of what you find in a dictionary: "integrity". Some, it seems, are placed above the law.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PonderinHog on September 12, 2017, 01:50:46 pm
I think feralhog (RIP) stated the he didn't need a football coach to teach his child about morality.  They're (almost) all mercenaries at this level, paid to do a job - which is to win.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Potosihog on September 12, 2017, 02:11:33 pm
The truth is if Bobby wasn't such a jerk to everyone around him he would have kept his job.  Did they have plenty of reason to fire him?  Absolutely.

Was it the only option?  Absolutely not.

He had worn out his welcome in spite of his winning percentage.  I just hope we find a "nice guy" who also knows how to win.

Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Sivad on September 12, 2017, 02:21:52 pm
Here's the truth of it. Had Long kept Petrino, a few women might have complained for a bit, but after we won the first football game the following September, no one would have cared.
The absolute truth.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 02:26:41 pm
The truth is if Bobby wasn't such a jerk to everyone around him he would have kept his job.  Did they have plenty of reason to fire him?  Absolutely.

Was it the only option?  Absolutely not.

He had worn out his welcome in spite of his winning percentage.  I just hope we find a "nice guy" who also knows how to win.



That's no excuse. It was well known that Bobby was a jerk when he was hired. He wasn't hired to kiss babies, be a glad hander, or be "Mr. Personality", he was hired to WIN while running a clean program and that's what he did.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 02:29:31 pm
The absolute truth.

100% agree.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Mike Irwin on September 12, 2017, 02:42:39 pm
A close friend of Petrino's said that Petrino told him he could have stayed but he had to agree to a reworked contract that would have made him agree to some specific conditions. Supposedly there were some pastors sitting in on the meeting and Petrino refused to discuss anything with Long until they left. According to Petrino's friend after he had read the conditions on the amended contract Petrino said, "You're trying to turn me into a Monk."

Long immediately dismissed him and Petrino went home. Later he had second thoughts and tried to call Long but Long wouldn't take his call. Not long after that Petrino was notified through a personal message delivered to his house that he had been fired.

In the days after that Petrino admitted to his friend that he had started to think of himself as untouchable. Hog fans were so grateful for a winning team that they would never allow him to be fired.

The man who told this story was personal friends with Petrino. I verified that. I do not know if he was telling the truth but I cannot imagine why he would create such a story if it wasn't true. Long has never addressed this story but some of his people in the athletic department have denied it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 02:45:13 pm
A close friend of Petrino's said that Petrino told him he could have stayed but he had to agree to a reworked contract that would have made him agree to some specific conditions. Supposedly there were some pastors sitting in on the meeting and Petrino refused to discuss anything with Long until they left. According to Petrino's friend after he had read the conditions on the amended contract Petrino said, "You're trying to turn me into a Monk."

Long immediately dismissed him and Petrino went home. Later he had second thoughts and tried to call Long but Long wouldn't take his call. Not long after that Petrino was notified through a personal message delivered to his house that he had been fired.

In the days after that Petrino admitted to his friend that he had started to think of himself as untouchable. Hog fans were so grateful for a winning team that they would never allow him to be fired.

The man who told this story was personal friends with Petrino. I verified that. I do not know if he was telling the truth but I cannot imagine why he would create such a story if it wasn't true. Long has never addressed this story but some of his people in the athletic department have denied it.

Exactly as I said.



But why in tarnation were there pastors at a meeting between Long and Petrino? That is wholly inappropriate.


Regardless, Petrino hanged himself with his arrogance. What. An. Idiot.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on September 12, 2017, 02:51:36 pm
No doubt that is true since no one mentions it when Louisville plays now on national television and that is a sad thing. And it is the reason Long did the right thing by standing up for that now a much pilloried word that, on this site at least, seems to have taken on a definition that is the polar opposite of what you find in a dictionary: "integrity". Some, it seems, are placed above the law.

Ask yourself this question: if the motorcycle wreck hadn't happened and brought everything publicly to light, would Petrino have been fired?

Unfortunately, coaches are human. Does Bielema have a woman on the side? I neither know nor care. That's his business. Does he enjoy a fifth of vodka every night? I neither know nor care. Now, if he gets out and is arrested for a DWI, then I care; it puts UA in a bad light and could potentially impact recruiting.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on September 12, 2017, 02:57:19 pm
Ask yourself this question: if the motorcycle wreck hadn't happened and brought everything publicly to light, would Petrino have been fired?

Unfortunately, coaches are human. Does Bielema have a woman on the side? I neither know nor care. That's his business. Does he enjoy a fifth of vodka every night? I neither know nor care. Now, if he gets out and is arrested for a DWI, then I care; it puts UA in a bad light and could potentially impact recruiting.

If it affects their job performance I care.

2011 season had a few close calls against inferior opponents.  Some awful halves of football.   The SC game that season was a complete performance.  Otherwise while Bobby diddled we were erratic.  Good and fortunate enough to overcome.   
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on September 12, 2017, 03:12:41 pm
Indeed, it doesn't change anything. I was speaking to several points: 'theft' of money, 'potential lawsuits', valid grounds for dismissal, Petrino's seeing himself as 'untouchable', etc.

People act like this hasn't happened in Arkansas before. Granted, not at the university, but getting caught with your sidepiece is nothing new to Arkansans.

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Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Gonzo on September 12, 2017, 03:21:19 pm
If it affects their job performance I care.

2011 season had a few close calls against inferior opponents.  Some awful halves of football.   The SC game that season was a complete performance.  Otherwise while Bobby diddled we were erratic.  Good and fortunate enough to overcome.   


Not meant as a defense of BP, but regardless of outside influences/interests/affairs/binges/whatever, how many teams DON'T do that pretty much every year? Very few. Practically every team has high points and low points throughout the season, even if the coach is "all business". BB's teams have been all over the road (no pun intended), does that mean he has something he's hiding on the side?


Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 12, 2017, 03:23:50 pm
It seems that in another thread I read that during the Petrino fiasco JL actually offered Petrino a way to keep his job. Is that true or just rumor? Anyone know any of the details of the offer?


If this is true and that Petrino turned down the JL offer, was integrity an after-thought? Is this just one more example of hype over truth?
You go listen to the speech. "Jeff Long fires Bobby Petrino".  Go to just before the 10 minit mark. :) Many on here and in the press knew of the backroom dealings where Bobby told Jeff he was trying to make a monk out of him with his demands. So there were deals or offers made to Petrino and at that 10 minit mark Jeff Long directly lies about it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on September 12, 2017, 03:23:50 pm

Not meant as a defense of BP, but regardless of outside influences/interests/affairs/binges/whatever, how many teams DON'T do that pretty much every year? Very few. Practically every team has high points and low points throughout the season, even if the coach is "all business". BB's teams have been all over the road (no pun intended), does that mean he has something he's hiding on the side?


Go Hogs!

The affair may or may not have played a role in so many poor starts that season like the penalty fest we celebrated in Oxford.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on September 12, 2017, 03:25:04 pm
If it affects their job performance I care.

2011 season had a few close calls against inferior opponents.  Some awful halves of football.   The SC game that season was a complete performance.  Otherwise while Bobby diddled we were erratic.  Good and fortunate enough to overcome.

Yes, but that's difficult to tease out. How much does that phone call or that extra glass of vodka cost in the fourth quarter on Saturday? I don't know. Besides, I've never bought into the notion that I expect the Razorback football coach, whoever he is, to be completely devoted to football 18 hours a day, seven days a week. I'm not in my job; I suspect very few Razorback fans are in theirs.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Atlhogfan1 on September 12, 2017, 03:28:04 pm
Yes, but that's difficult to tease out. How much does that phone call or that extra glass of vodka cost in the fourth quarter on Saturday? I don't know. Besides, I've never bought into the notion that I expect the Razorback football coach, whoever he is, to be completely devoted to football 18 hours a day, seven days a week. I'm not in my job; I suspect very few Razorback fans are in theirs.

I don't expect it. Work life balance is good. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 12, 2017, 03:29:33 pm
I see there are those on here who are still kissing Bobby Petrino's backside.  My view is this. Bobby Petrino is a snake and a man of low character. Those who defend him and suggest he should have remained Arkansas' coach forget that the University of Arkansas is NOT chartered by the state to provide Saturday entertainment to a bunch of people who never even attended, much less graduated from the university. It is tasked with providing higher education to those who are accepted and to provide the state with lawyers, doctors, accountants, teachers etc.

I understand that many fans have no relationship to the university except the sports teams but those people should be smart enough to understand that Petrino was a representative of the university as a whole and, as such, the state of Arkansas and he abused his position, in fact he pretty much debased the school and the state by his actions. To rationalize his behavior because he won football games puts people who do that, in my opinion, in the same category of character as Bobby himself. Further I would really like to know how many actual graduates of the university, bachelor's degree or graduate degree, actually think Bobby Petrino should have been retained as coach.
Here's 1. BA from UA; MBA from elsewhere.
Shoulda  kept him.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Gonzo on September 12, 2017, 03:33:41 pm
The affair may or may not have played a role in so many poor starts that season like the penalty fest we celebrated in Oxford.


Absolutely. In other words, you don't know one way or the other, just like me.



Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 12, 2017, 03:39:31 pm
Yes, but that's difficult to tease out. How much does that phone call or that extra glass of vodka cost in the fourth quarter on Saturday? I don't know. Besides, I've never bought into the notion that I expect the Razorback football coach, whoever he is, to be completely devoted to football 18 hours a day, seven days a week. I'm not in my job; I suspect very few Razorback fans are in theirs.

I expect them to do the amount of work necessary whether that is 18 hours or 8.  He has no clock.  He goes home when he feels he has done everything reasonably necessary to win.  He should also keep in mind what guys like Nick Saban are doing.

As for Dorrell being responsible for Petrino's distracted performance, if that is the case, and if 2011 was an example of a distracted performance, then we need to get Bert a girlfriend.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 12, 2017, 03:41:48 pm
Indeed, it doesn't change anything. I was speaking to several points: 'theft' of money, 'potential lawsuits', valid grounds for dismissal, Petrino's seeing himself as 'untouchable', etc.

People act like this hasn't happened in Arkansas before. Granted, not at the university, but getting caught with your sidepiece is nothing new to Arkansans.
Yeah, seems like it happened to a president....
And, like him or not, he's still Arkansas' best claim to fame. Otherwise, we'd be Mississippi.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porked Tongue on September 12, 2017, 03:44:10 pm
I have no doubts BP would have gone done in flames one way or the other.  He had one other strong skeleton in that closet and one he was afraid of it leaked.  He was afraid of coming clean with JL for more reasons than just Jessica.

Note:  Please quit quoting Guv's posts.  You're ruining my blockage of his existence.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HogFoo on September 12, 2017, 03:45:57 pm
The media received leaks right up to the firing PC that Petrino was staying.

Now, these are just rumors that were floating around the media room...but...

According to some, Jeff Long was planning on keeping Petrino, but some big money boosters wanted a personal apology.  It was a couple of people that are community leaders, so I was told.  Bobby P. was willing to apologize but not to grovel for his job to these men.  He basically told them to...well...

So, Jeff fired him.

Now, is any of that true?  I don't know.  However, that was the talk among some of my fellow media people.
I had heard something similar to this.  There is a reason why Jeff long looked upset at the presser that night.  It was because he couldn't believe that Petrino wouldn't  accept the consequences for his actions.  He was gonna take Petrino back. To "save face" to make it look like he was being punished Long was to make Petrino also have no off campus recruiting, and something else I forget now.. anyways.  Petrino wouldn't agree to it.  Basically said F you and that was that.  But yeah, Long was gonna take Petrino back. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HamIAm on September 12, 2017, 03:46:02 pm
When you excuse behavior because of results you end up with the type situation Baylor finds itself in.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 03:46:40 pm

Not meant as a defense of BP, but regardless of outside influences/interests/affairs/binges/whatever, how many teams DON'T do that pretty much every year? Very few. Practically every team has high points and low points throughout the season, even if the coach is "all business". BB's teams have been all over the road (no pun intended), does that mean he has something he's hiding on the side?


Go Hogs!

Yes. I'm still waiting on them to find the decaying/rotting corpse of the man that went to school at and played football for Iowa named Bret Bielema so we can figure out who this intruder is that stole his identity and pretended to be a football coach.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: IronHog on September 12, 2017, 03:47:06 pm
A close friend of Petrino's said that Petrino told him he could have stayed but he had to agree to a reworked contract that would have made him agree to some specific conditions. Supposedly there were some pastors sitting in on the meeting and Petrino refused to discuss anything with Long until they left. According to Petrino's friend after he had read the conditions on the amended contract Petrino said, "You're trying to turn me into a Monk."

Long immediately dismissed him and Petrino went home. Later he had second thoughts and tried to call Long but Long wouldn't take his call. Not long after that Petrino was notified through a personal message delivered to his house that he had been fired.

In the days after that Petrino admitted to his friend that he had started to think of himself as untouchable. Hog fans were so grateful for a winning team that they would never allow him to be fired.

The man who told this story was personal friends with Petrino. I verified that. I do not know if he was telling the truth but I cannot imagine why he would create such a story if it wasn't true. Long has never addressed this story but some of his people in the athletic department have denied it.


I'm a little disappointed to lean BP had things like friends and a mistress


Always figured he sat in the dark alone listening to death metal drawing up plays.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 03:47:43 pm
You go listen to the speech. "Jeff Long fires Bobby Petrino".  Go to just before the 10 minit mark. :) Many on here and in the press knew of the backroom dealings where Bobby told Jeff he was trying to make a monk out of him with his demands. So there were deals or offers made to Petrino and at that 10 minit mark Jeff Long directly lies about it.

I love how you are trying to roast Jeff for a lie, but would suck everyones willy if they would only forgive Bobby for his big lies lol.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: IronHog on September 12, 2017, 03:47:53 pm
Yes. I'm still waiting on them to find the decaying/rotting corpse of the man that went to school at and played football for Iowa named Bret Bielema so we can figure out who this intruder is that stole his identity and pretended to be a football coach.


BB is suffering from burnout.  Shows all the signs .
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 03:48:38 pm
Yes, but that's difficult to tease out. How much does that phone call or that extra glass of vodka cost in the fourth quarter on Saturday? I don't know. Besides, I've never bought into the notion that I expect the Razorback football coach, whoever he is, to be completely devoted to football 18 hours a day, seven days a week. I'm not in my job; I suspect very few Razorback fans are in theirs.

12247 would like to have a word with you
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Gonzo on September 12, 2017, 03:50:30 pm
Yes. I'm still waiting on them to find the decaying/rotting corpse of the man that went to school at and played football for Iowa named Bret Bielema so we can figure out who this intruder is that stole his identity and pretended to be a football coach.

Uh, ok



Go Hogs!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 12, 2017, 03:51:28 pm
So Mr. Integrity lied at his press conference because if he had admitted that he had been prepared to let Petrino stay, his whole integrity spiel would be seen for the hypocritical claptrap that it was.  And then to drive the lie home, he went on a media blitz.

Yep, pretty much confirms what I think about Long.  You see, lying is okay if you're doing it for a greater purpose, like increasing Jeff Long's celebrity and profile for instance.

Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HogFoo on September 12, 2017, 03:52:21 pm
Bielema just needs a Harley.  I have a 2013 Road glide I'll let him have if it helps with things.  Also, he needs to get a hobby sport.. maybe volleyball. Haha
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 03:53:13 pm
Uh, ok



Go Hogs!

It was a joke. A poor one, but a joke nonetheless.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 12, 2017, 03:56:41 pm
A close friend of Petrino's said that Petrino told him he could have stayed but he had to agree to a reworked contract that would have made him agree to some specific conditions. Supposedly there were some pastors sitting in on the meeting and Petrino refused to discuss anything with Long until they left. According to Petrino's friend after he had read the conditions on the amended contract Petrino said, "You're trying to turn me into a Monk."

Long immediately dismissed him and Petrino went home. Later he had second thoughts and tried to call Long but Long wouldn't take his call. Not long after that Petrino was notified through a personal message delivered to his house that he had been fired.

In the days after that Petrino admitted to his friend that he had started to think of himself as untouchable. Hog fans were so grateful for a winning team that they would never allow him to be fired.

The man who told this story was personal friends with Petrino. I verified that. I do not know if he was telling the truth but I cannot imagine why he would create such a story if it wasn't true. Long has never addressed this story but some of his people in the athletic department have denied it.
Pastors at the meeting? Help me, bejeesus. . You've told me all I needed to know. Maybe they can get Joel Olsteen to come up and bless the refurbished stadium.  Or Franklin Graham. Most likely it will be the Colorado Springs fraud who was caught with the male hooker or Jim Bakker. Poor, poor little hillbillies. Bless their hearts.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: jkstock04 on September 12, 2017, 04:02:12 pm
So Mr. Integrity lied at his press conference because if he had admitted that he had been prepared to let Petrino stay, his whole integrity spiel would be seen for the hypocritical claptrap that it was.  And then to drive the lie home, he went on a media blitz.

Yep, pretty much confirms what I think about Long.  You see, lying is okay if you're doing it for a greater purpose, like increasing Jeff Long's celebrity and profile for instance.


Imagine how bad he would've looked had the local press ran with that and then natl media? If all that is true it just goes to show you what a joke this integrity campaign really is lol.

I mean..had some pastors in on the meeting? Does that not seem a little farfetched? Questions fly in my mind over this.

Why would you need pastors to sit in on a meeting like this? What does that have to do with the football program and how are they affiliated with the football program? Was there going to be mandatory religious confessions on a weekly basis as part of the requirements to stay? That's a tough scenerio to believe.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 04:05:58 pm
Imagine how bad he would've looked had the local press ran with that and then natl media? If all that is true it just goes to show you what a joke this integrity campaign really is lol.

I mean..had some pastors in on the meeting? Does that not seem a little farfetched? Questions fly in my mind over this.

Why would you need pastors to sit in on a meeting like this? What does that have to do with the football program and how are they affiliated with the football program? Was there going to be mandatory religious confessions on a weekly basis as part of the requirements to stay? That's a tough scenerio to believe.

I find the pastors thing a little hard to believe, but who knows for sure. All I know I was in a group text with Tyson and around 2ish he was being retained, and then around 4ish, he's fired.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 12, 2017, 04:06:55 pm
Imagine how bad he would've looked had the local press ran with that and then natl media? If all that is true it just goes to show you what a joke this integrity campaign really is lol.

I mean..had some pastors in on the meeting? Does that not seem a little farfetched? Questions fly in my mind over this.

Why would you need pastors to sit in on a meeting like this? What does that have to do with the football program and how are they affiliated with the football program? Was there going to be mandatory religious confessions on a weekly basis as part of the requirements to stay? That's a tough scenerio to believe.
Actually, it's not hard to believe. Even back when I was there, rumor was there were some holy rollers up in them thar hills. Some handled snakes, I heard.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: IronHog on September 12, 2017, 04:08:57 pm
So Mr. Integrity lied at his press conference because if he had admitted that he had been prepared to let Petrino stay, his whole integrity spiel would be seen for the hypocritical claptrap that it was.  And then to drive the lie home, he went on a media blitz.

Yep, pretty much confirms what I think about Long.  You see, lying is okay if you're doing it for a greater purpose, like increasing Jeff Long's celebrity and profile for instance.




😐
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 04:10:07 pm
Ya, having pastors sit in on the meeting sounds sketchy. How can that even be explained? I see a SNL sketch in my mind where every time Long says something, the pastors all nod and say "Amen".
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: IronHog on September 12, 2017, 04:11:06 pm
Ya, having pastors sit in on the meeting sounds sketchy. How can that even be explained? I see a SNL sketch in my mind where every time Long says something, the pastors all nod and say "Amen".


Pharisee Jeff
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 04:11:28 pm
Ya, having pastors sit in on the meeting sounds sketchy. How can that even be explained? I see a SNL sketch in my mind where every time Long says something, the pastors all nod and say "Amen".

Maybe Armani Ronnie was there to pray for his lost soul?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porked Tongue on September 12, 2017, 04:16:19 pm
Maybe Armani Ronnie was there to pray for his lost soul?
He's unrecognizable at Hog games.  Dressed down and all 5 ft 1 of him.  I see him in the south end zone food court once or twice per season.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 12, 2017, 04:17:27 pm
I find the pastors thing a little hard to believe, but who knows for sure. All I know I was in a group text with Tyson and around 2ish he was being retained, and then around 4ish, he's fired.
Hearing that, I bet Bobby sings everyday in the shower, "Don't cry for me, Arkansas." Instead of having "men of the cloth" try to exorcise his demons, he has "true southern gentlemen" toasting his success with fine Kentucky bourbon.
What's not to like.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 12, 2017, 04:22:22 pm
Men of fine Italian cloth, milled especially for the workrooms of Armani.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: sharpd1 on September 12, 2017, 04:27:11 pm
If Petrino hadn't given the girl a job then he could have kept his job.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 04:27:40 pm
Aren't y'all a bunch of Christians? I would think pastors would be right up your alley. Only on Sunday I guess.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 04:28:39 pm
If Petrino hadn't given the girl a job then he could have kept his job.

If he had gotten out of his own way he probably could have kept his job. Long was looking for a way to defend him but Bobby simply wouldn't help.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 12, 2017, 04:33:39 pm
Ya, having pastors sit in on the meeting sounds sketchy. How can that even be explained? I see a SNL sketch in my mind where every time Long says something, the pastors all nod and say "Amen".
He who laughs last, laughs best.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 04:47:06 pm
If he had gotten out of his own way he probably could have kept his job. Long was looking for a way to defend him but Bobby simply wouldn't help.

At the termination press conference, Long flatly denied giving Bobby any conditions for staying at Arkansas. He said Bobby staying was never an option.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 04:50:16 pm
At the termination press conference, Long flatly denied giving Bobby any conditions for staying at Arkansas. He said Bobby staying was never an option.

And an AD never officially offers a job but to the person who takes it, correct?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: phadedhawg on September 12, 2017, 05:00:14 pm
And an AD never officially offers a job but to the person who takes it, correct?

Exactly.  There's the truth and the official version of the truth.  They don't have to match for one to be considered "truthful". 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Tejano Jawg on September 12, 2017, 05:06:29 pm
This is the sixth football season since that disastrous April day.

Were Petrino still here, it would be his 10th in Fayetteville. Possible, sure; I'd wager not probable. I figure Long would still have had to hire Petrino's replacement by now, and it probably would have turned out about like it has.

Interesting thought.

When I heard Long talk about firing Petrino, it was clearly a done deal. So I didn't agonize over it after that. I knew he was gone and not coming back. (Contrastingly, I'm still not over the TCU game.)

Did I like Petrino gone?…NO. I saw his last game. My son and I sat on the 50 yard line of the Cotton Bowl when we beat K-State. To paraphrase Jerry Jones "I liked that Cotton Bowl win…I liked that Cotton Bowl win very much." And the No. 5 final ranking.

Man, this thread is interesting reading. I'm kinda surprised I'm in the mood for it. What has been more polarizing for our fan base than the Petrino situation? He won a lot of games his last 2 years, I get it. What I wonder…WHAT IF Petrino had come clean to Long immediately after the bike wreck? (*The fact there was a police report, and Petrino didn't think about those details coming out, proved he had some smarts issues.) The school would have gotten a damage-control team together to put a serious spin on everything. Would they have tried to hide Blondie?…I don't know. Or, would they just tell Bobby to step up to the podium and unload everything? Who knows? BUT, the main thing that Long couldn't get over would not have been there. Would things have been different then? What happened was 95% on Petrino, 5% on Long.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: code red on September 12, 2017, 05:09:59 pm
What difference does it make, it was over years ago time to move on.
To what....basketball?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: lakecityhog on September 12, 2017, 05:14:40 pm
My whole point to this thread was/is that if JL was indeed open to keeping Petrino under any circumstances integrity isn't one of his main attributes. And, if he really did know about the girl what does that make him?(I personally believe that he knew more than he wanted to know and simply tried to ignore it)

This was never meant to be about BP and him staying or going. Never about his character or lack of, it is about an AD that possibly sold his own character for his own future.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Hogs-n-Roses on September 12, 2017, 05:17:37 pm
I love how you are trying to roast Jeff for a lie, but would suck everyones willy if they would only forgive Bobby for his big lies lol.
Your so wrong. I ve stated how I felt about BP many times. You always attack folks and use BP as your knife. Took you long enough to come on here and start your propaganda though. We been waitin on you with a smile. Always come in defense of your hero Jeffy and with a weak schtict. Good luck anyway and hows the poll lookin to team Jeff. You guys aren't Hog fans,your Jeff fans. When they are gone I hope you go away with them.Oh and a lie is a lie. Once you've lied to me I have a tough time believin anything you say. We aren't talkin bout Bobby anyway. We know he's a pos and will lie. Its Mr. integrity on the poll not Bobby. Do you have a man crush on him or something. You keep bringing him up. Did he turn you down or something?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on September 12, 2017, 05:27:45 pm
It is disingenuous at best to claim the mantle of integrity for making a decision that you would not have made if the other person had met conditions.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 05:29:35 pm
Exactly.  There's the truth and the official version of the truth.  They don't have to match for one to be considered "truthful". 

No, it just shows that Jeff's "integrity" mantra is nothing but a pile of crap.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: MemphisBossHog on September 12, 2017, 05:30:40 pm
My whole point to this thread was/is that if JL was indeed open to keeping Petrino under any circumstances integrity isn't one of his main attributes. And, if he really did know about the girl what does that make him?(I personally believe that he knew more than he wanted to know and simply tried to ignore it)

This was never meant to be about BP and him staying or going. Never about his character or lack of, it is about an AD that possibly sold his own character for his own future.
I hear ya lakecity.  It is an interesting thread however.  I completely believe that if BP had done the exact same thing at say Auburn and Auburn fans and AD really thought BP was the coach for them and he had brought them to heights the program hadnt seen in years, the Auburn AD would have made it work out and they would have kept BP.  Dont know if that means that a program like Auburn is a bad program or a good program. That is subjective, but I believe that there are many programs that it faced with losing the best coach they had had in many years and the program was headed toward the top of the polls nationally and maybe recruits were starting to look the program when before they hadnt, these programs would have made it work out with BP.  Maybe they would have docked him say $500K per year for the remainder of his contract or some other agreement, but they would have figured out a way to keep him.

Long is different in that regard.  He views things differently.  He is more about integrity and ethics and I get that too.  I remember watching him that night on TV as he announced BP's firing. He was emotional.  He truly was upset at what BP had done and how BP had lied to him.  At that time, I was proud of Long and Arkansas athletic dept. However, fast forward to where we are now and I must admit I wonder what things would have been like if BP had stayed.  He took us to a BCS bowl in his 3rd year.  Had us ranked in the top 5.   I know BB threw BP's recruits under the bus  when he got here saying he had no idea how bare the cupboard was.   Well I just wonder if that was just a smoke screen to deflect the criticism he was starting to get as he lost games.  BP seemed to do pretty well with his recruits. 

BP recruited a lot of the OLinemen that BB inherited and the first couple of years of the BB era, it seemed that we actually could run the ball.  As we have gotten over to all BB recruits, suddenly we cannot run the ball.  Maybe BP didnt do too badly with his recruits. 

Anyway, its all merely interesting.  BP is at Louisville and BB is here.  BP has a Heisman Trophy winner and is overseeing nationally ranked program.  BB is struggling and will be lucky to go .500 this season.   BP is an a$$ to be sure.  BB is fun loving and a media darling at times. BP is a heck of a coach.  BB is....well....a coach.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Hoginsavga on September 12, 2017, 05:31:06 pm
I am quite sure this is an oversimplification on my part but had I been the AD this is the way I would have handed it with Petrino. AD: Bobby I am so sorry about your accident and want you to know I wish you a speedy recovery. Please let me know if I can be of help to you.

Anything regarding the police report is your responsibility to answer especially regarding the media, legal matters, and insurance as you were on your personal time.

If anything comes to light that concerns the University then that will be a different discussion. Again hope you recover soon.

Bobby would not have lied to the AD if it had been handled properly.




Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Porkchop#1 on September 12, 2017, 05:34:48 pm
Do any of you realize that the "hiring his own mistress" is another load of "company line" bull?

Coaches do not hire anyone, they recommend to, guess who, their choice along with a salary offer. The AD's office does the hiring just like administration does at any company.

How many of you actually believe that BP fooling around was a real secret? Didn't she travel with BP on a couple of trips? Word was she was part of the reason the kid from Missouri de-committed.
Exactly.  The whole thing was handled in an incredibly self defeating, amateurish manner.  And  yes, it was all common knowledge beforehand.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 05:39:52 pm
I hear ya lakecity.  It is an interesting thread however.  I completely believe that if BP had done the exact same thing at say Auburn and Auburn fans and AD really thought BP was the coach for them and he had brought them to heights the program hadnt seen in years, the Auburn AD would have made it work out and they would have kept BP.  Dont know if that means that a program like Auburn is a bad program or a good program. That is subjective, but I believe that there are many programs that it faced with losing the best coach they had had in many years and the program was headed toward the top of the polls nationally and maybe recruits were starting to look the program when before they hadnt, these programs would have made it work out with BP.  Maybe they would have docked him say $500K per year for the remainder of his contract or some other agreement, but they would have figured out a way to keep him.

Long is different in that regard.  He views things differently.  He is more about integrity and ethics and I get that too.  I remember watching him that night on TV as he announced BP's firing. He was emotional.  He truly was upset at what BP had done and how BP had lied to him.  At that time, I was proud of Long and Arkansas athletic dept. However, fast forward to where we are now and I must admit I wonder what things would have been like if BP had stayed.  He took us to a BCS bowl in his 3rd year.  Had us ranked in the top 5.   I know BB threw BP's recruits under the bus  when he got here saying he had no idea how bare the cupboard was.   Well I just wonder if that was just a smoke screen to deflect the criticism he was starting to get as he lost games.  BP seemed to do pretty well with his recruits. 

BP recruited a lot of the OLinemen that BB inherited and the first couple of years of the BB era, it seemed that we actually could run the ball.  As we have gotten over to all BB recruits, suddenly we cannot run the ball.  Maybe BP didnt do too badly with his recruits. 

Anyway, its all merely interesting.  BP is at Louisville and BB is here.  BP has a Heisman Trophy winner and is overseeing nationally ranked program.  BB is struggling and will be lucky to go .500 this season.   BP is an a$$ to be sure.  BB is fun loving and a media darling at times. BP is a heck of a coach.  BB is....well....a coach.

Uh, I wouldn't choose the Auburn AD on that subject, he's fixing to be fighting for his job over keeping a softball coach.

https://www.seccountry.com/auburn/auburn-softball-scandal-allegations-jay-jacobs-statement
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: MemphisBossHog on September 12, 2017, 05:46:33 pm
Interesting thought.

When I heard Long talk about firing Petrino, it was clearly a done deal. So I didn't agonize over it after that. I knew he was gone and not coming back. (Contrastingly, I'm still not over the TCU game.)

Did I like Petrino gone?…NO. I saw his last game. My son and I sat on the 50 yard line of the Cotton Bowl when we beat K-State. To paraphrase Jerry Jones "I liked that Cotton Bowl win…I liked that Cotton Bowl win very much." And the No. 5 final ranking.

Man, this thread is interesting reading. I'm kinda surprised I'm in the mood for it. What has been more polarizing for our fan base than the Petrino situation? He won a lot of games his last 2 years, I get it. What I wonder…WHAT IF Petrino had come clean to Long immediately after the bike wreck? (*The fact there was a police report, and Petrino didn't think about those details coming out, proved he had some smarts issues.) The school would have gotten a damage-control team together to put a serious spin on everything. Would they have tried to hide Blondie?…I don't know. Or, would they just tell Bobby to step up to the podium and unload everything? Who knows? BUT, the main thing that Long couldn't get over would not have been there. Would things have been different then? What happened was 95% on Petrino, 5% on Long.
I agree with you Tejano.  It is interesting.  I think we had caught lightening in a bottle with BP.  The conditions were right for him to bolt out of ATL because he had been led to believe that he would have MVick as a QB to run his system.  Vick was having his dog fighting/treatment problems and BP wasnt happy with the Falcons, so he bolted. 

He is a richard (what word is short for the name Richard?) to be sure, but the man could/can coach.  He had the program on the right track.  He had an affair.  Many coaches have affairs. He hired his mistress and she was paid with taxpayer $$$.  Thats not cool, but they could have made it work.

I always thought that BP might bolt from ARK the way he did ATL but then he signed that contract with the huge buyout that decreased each year and that showed me that he liked ARK and wanted to stay awhile.   We will never know how much higher he could have taken ARK with his brilliant play calling.   Maybe he had gone as high as he was going to go with the Hogs, but after the last 5 years, I can honestly say that as much as I may like BB as a person, I sure wish BP had stayed and we had gotten to see just what he could do after about 7 or 8 years.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: MemphisBossHog on September 12, 2017, 05:47:30 pm
Uh, I wouldn't choose the Auburn AD on that subject, he's fixing to be fighting for his job over keeping a softball coach.

https://www.seccountry.com/auburn/auburn-softball-scandal-allegations-jay-jacobs-statement
oops ricepig, guess I put my foot in my mouth there.  I just thought of Auburn as a win at all costs program.  Maybe it was a bad analogy.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: DLUXHOG on September 12, 2017, 05:50:28 pm
I agree with you Tejano.  It is interesting.  I think we had caught lightening in a bottle with BP.  The conditions were right for him to bolt out of ATL because he had been led to believe that he would have MVick as a QB to run his system.  Vick was having his dog fighting/treatment problems and BP wasnt happy with the Falcons, so he bolted. 

He is a richard (what word is short for the name Richard?) to be sure, but the man could/can coach.  He had the program on the right track.  He had an affair.  Many coaches have affairs. He hired his mistress and she was paid with taxpayer $$$.  Thats not cool, but they could have made it work.

I always thought that BP might bolt from ARK the way he did ATL but then he signed that contract with the huge buyout that decreased each year and that showed me that he liked ARK and wanted to stay awhile.   We will never know how much higher he could have taken ARK with his brilliant play calling.   Maybe he had gone as high as he was going to go with the Hogs, but after the last 5 years, I can honestly say that as much as I may like BB as a person, I sure wish BP had stayed and we had gotten to see just what he could do after about 7 or 8 years.

I hope it wasn't  taxpayer $$$ because that would give our congressmen, senators, presidents, etc. ideas.....
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HawgLife on September 12, 2017, 05:50:57 pm
It is disingenuous at best to claim the mantle of integrity for making a decision that you would not have made if the other person had met conditions.

So, just so I'm clear, we're mad at Jeff Long because he fired Bobby Petrino. But, Jeff Long didn't want to fire Petrino, made an effort to keep him, and BP walked away from it. So, now we're mad that Jeff Long supposedly lied about not wanting to fire Petrino because he was more interested in building his own reputation. So much so that he secretly got a bunch of students to print t-shirts about his integrity.

Is all of that correct? Sorry, all of the ignorance is confusing.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 05:51:52 pm
oops ricepig, guess I put my foot in my mouth there.  I just thought of Auburn as a win at all costs program.  Maybe it was a bad analogy.

Oh, they are, and it may cost the AD his job in the end.....
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Wildhog on September 12, 2017, 05:57:38 pm
Oh, they are, and it may cost the AD his job in the end.....

They've always been a 'win at all costs' program, regardless of the AD.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hawgon on September 12, 2017, 06:16:08 pm
Pulled from Facebook:

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Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 12, 2017, 06:17:13 pm
At the termination press conference, Long flatly denied giving Bobby any conditions for staying at Arkansas. He said Bobby staying was never an option.

I posted his personal notes which are public record. If you choose to ignore them that is on you. Once Bobby offered no help in defending his actions I have no trouble believing his options to stay were removed from the table and I have evidence to back that up (he was fired).
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 12, 2017, 06:43:23 pm
Most UA alumni bail to Dallas ASAP


Play to win or let A State have the helmet

bull.  You are just spouting at the sphincter and probably didn't even attend the U of A
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 12, 2017, 06:47:13 pm
Petrino beat LSU in 2010 with a chance for a BCS game on the line.

Nutt lost to LSU in 2006 with a BCS and maybe more on the line.

Petrino figured out a way to avoid the bad loss in 2011. Nutt wouldn't have. 

It's those few extra wins that make the difference.  Neither ended up building a stable program.

You have forgotten the 2011 season badly.  I'll
Let you figure it out from there
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 06:58:09 pm
You have forgotten the 2011 season badly.  I'll
Let you figure it out from there

You mean the season the hogs finished ranked #5 in the nation?? That was a great season. I believe it was the Hogs highest ranked finish since Lou Holtz's Hogs whipped OU in the Orange Bowl.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: DLUXHOG on September 12, 2017, 07:08:12 pm
You mean the season the hogs finished ranked #5 in the nation?? That was a great season. I believe it was the Hogs highest ranked finish since Lou Holtz's Hogs whipped OU in the Orange Bowl.

Hogs finished #3 that year....  I was a student on the hill then...  student body had so much pride....   WPS!!!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 12, 2017, 07:11:52 pm
Hogs finished #3 that year....  I was a student on the hill then...  student body had so much pride....   WPS!!!

Yep, went to the Orange Bowl and to St Louis to the Final 4, I figured every season would be like that!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 12, 2017, 07:31:14 pm
You mean the season the hogs finished ranked #5 in the nation?? That was a great season. I believe it was the Hogs highest ranked finish since Lou Holtz's Hogs whipped OU in the Orange Bowl.


I knew you weren't smart enough
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 12, 2017, 07:37:10 pm
Hogs finished #3 that year....  I was a student on the hill then...  student body had so much pride....   WPS!!!

Yeah, that was indeed a great year! I actually thought they finished #2 that year. My bad.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Cinco de Hogo on September 12, 2017, 08:30:43 pm
Well ya'll certainly don't need me to hit every corner of the map.  By the way those pastors would have been more than likely mafia henchmen...from Dallas.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Swestwill66 on September 12, 2017, 08:54:46 pm
10 win seasons, I remember, I remember
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Pig in the Pokey on September 12, 2017, 09:05:28 pm
"I told him what must be done to remain employed at the University of Arkansas. He told me to go Frank myself with the mini bat on the shelf behind my desk," sounds like press conference material.
;D gd, dude, you made me choke-cough laugh.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 09:15:31 pm
Exactly.  The whole thing was handled in an incredibly self defeating, amateurish manner.  And  yes, it was all common knowledge beforehand.

I love the experts on this board. Literally "everyone" knew Bobby P. was screwing a girl he recommended for a legitimate position. I mean it was common knowledge- Long knew it, the chancellor knew it, the president knew it-go Bobby! and does she have a sister? So what was the problem for goodness sake? I mean why fire a coach who could beat everyone but Alabama? Did Long just have a death wish or was his attachment to integrity so great that when the whole sordid thing came out he just had to pretend to St. Jeff the pious? If you know Long knew put your money where your mouth is and prove it. If he did know he should have been fired along with Bobby but I think, unless you can prove it, you ought to careful with the libel.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: lakecityhog on September 12, 2017, 09:24:06 pm
You speak of libel after the crap you type?? That's a laugh!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Arkansas Traveler on September 12, 2017, 09:25:52 pm
One thing I think is pretty much undisputed is that the most excited our fan base has been in years was the day Bobby Petrino was hired. Truth be told, Petrino has come out of this thing as if it never happened. We, on the other hand, have little to show for it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Farmer Hogget on September 12, 2017, 09:37:46 pm
"The simplest response I have is: I'm sorry. These two words seem very inadequate. But that is my heart," Petrino said in a statement. "All I have been able to think about is the number of people I've let down by making selfish decisions. I've taken a lot of criticism in the past. Some deserved, some not deserved. This time, I have no one to blame but myself.

"I chose to engage in an improper relationship. I also made several poor decisions following the end of that relationship and in the aftermath of the accident. I accept full responsibility for what has happened."
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on September 12, 2017, 09:55:11 pm
I love the experts on this board. Literally "everyone" knew Bobby P. was screwing a girl he recommended for a legitimate position. I mean it was common knowledge- Long knew it, the chancellor knew it, the president knew it-go Bobby! and does she have a sister? So what was the problem for goodness sake? I mean why fire a coach who could beat everyone but Alabama? Did Long just have a death wish or was his attachment to integrity so great that when the whole sordid thing came out he just had to pretend to St. Jeff the pious? If you know Long knew put your money where your mouth is and prove it. If he did know he should have been fired along with Bobby but I think, unless you can prove it, you ought to careful with the libel.
BS...your post is total horse manure. Not going into detail but first you claim everyone knew, then you state "if" they know. Total made up BS..anyone saying that BP shouldn't have been fired never has and never will be in a management position.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: FarmingtonFan on September 12, 2017, 09:56:28 pm
I love the experts on this board. Literally "everyone" knew Bobby P. was screwing a girl he recommended for a legitimate position. I mean it was common knowledge- Long knew it, the chancellor knew it, the president knew it-go Bobby! and does she have a sister? So what was the problem for goodness sake? I mean why fire a coach who could beat everyone but Alabama? Did Long just have a death wish or was his attachment to integrity so great that when the whole sordid thing came out he just had to pretend to St. Jeff the pious? If you know Long knew put your money where your mouth is and prove it. If he did know he should have been fired along with Bobby but I think, unless you can prove it, you ought to careful with the libel.
I don't know anything about what BP did or didn't do in his personal life.  I don't know anything about the conversations JL and BP had before or after the motorcycle wreck.  What I do know is the Razorback football was fun to watch and discuss during BP's tenure.  From a fan only standpoint I wish he was still here. 
Hate the apathy and discontent I feel about the football program now.  Am past the belief that CBB can get even close to BPs success.  So, have to hang on until changes are made, then give the new guy time.
Oh, I didn't graduate from the U of A, but have lived in AR almost all of my 57 years.  My opinion counts as much as a graduate.  Don't care what anyone else thinks.  Have two kids that have degrees from the U of A.
Don't give a crap who the coach is as long as we are competitive and win our share of games.  Want to feel like we are respected by all and yes feared by some.  Life has enough serious stuff, football is for entertainment.  Winning makes football entertainment.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on September 12, 2017, 09:58:46 pm
I don't know anything about what BP did or didn't do in his personal life.  I don't know anything about the conversations JL and BP had before or after the motorcycle wreck.  What I do know is the Razorback football was fun to watch and discuss during BP's tenure.  From a fan only standpoint I wish he was still here. 
Hate the apathy and discontent I feel about the football program now.  Am past the belief that CBB can get even close to BPs success.  So, have to hang on until changes are made, then give the new guy time.
Oh, I didn't graduate from the U of A, but have lived in AR almost all of my 57 years.  My opinion counts as much as a graduate.  Don't care what anyone else thinks.  Have two kids that have degrees from the U of A.
Don't give a crap who the coach is as long as we are competitive and win our share of games.  Want to feel like we are respected by all and yes feared by some.  Life has enough serious stuff, football is for entertainment.  Winning makes football entertainment.
Maybe some day we can get a coach that can beat Bama and Lsu in the same year..or better yet just beat Bama. Oh yeah BP "The Great" got drilled last year by Lsu 29-9 in the bowl game. He's nothing when it comes to real teams. A genius he's not. I'm not going to bring up the losses to Kentucky and Houston..oh wait, oops.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 10:15:05 pm
Maybe some day we can get a coach that can beat Bama and Lsu in the same year..or better yet just beat Bama. Oh yeah BP "The Great" got drilled last year by Lsu 29-9 in the bowl game. He's nothing when it comes to real teams. A genius he's not. I'm not going to bring up the losses to Kentucky and Houston..oh wait, oops.

You're right, BP didn't beat Bama. But it doesn't look like this coach will either.. matter of fact, he hasn't even beaten aTm, yet. Funny you don't seem to hold him to the same standard,
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: mckinneyhog5 on September 12, 2017, 10:18:15 pm
You're right, BP didn't beat Bama. But it doesn't look like this coach will either.. matter of fact, he hasn't even beaten aTm, yet. Funny you don't seem to hold him to the same standard,
Nope, if we're gonna get another coach at a minimum they shouldn't get skull shafted by LSU and never able to beat Bama. We need standards don't we? Or are you happy with mediocre results? Really though Huge Frezze and Sumlin both beat Bama but BP couldn't and just last year Lsu took Louisville behind the woodshed. This is the guy you worship?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: hoghearted on September 12, 2017, 10:28:38 pm
Nope, if we're gonna get another coach at a minimum they shouldn't get skull shafted by LSU and never able to beat Bama. We need standards don't we? Or are you happy with mediocre results? Really though Huge Frezze and Sumlin both beat Bama but BP couldn't and just last year Lsu took Louisville behind the woodshed. This is the guy you worship?

There's only one guy I worship, and he ain't a football coach.




Look, I know you like BB; he seems to be a nice guy, loves his players (except his kicker), and all that. Reality is, he  is just not cut out for this job. He's in over his head, and we should be looking to make a change after the season. I realize that's not likely to happen, but I really think it should. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PolishPigPower on September 12, 2017, 11:04:55 pm
Our fanbase gets married to an adequate woman with lots of personality who is loyal, but doesn't really turn us on the way we hoped.  So, we pine over the hot double-jointed redhead chick from our past who could eat a whole banana, and we gripe about our dad who made us break up with her because she was making the family look bad.  Then we throw in the bat-Starkville-crazy girl from way back who wore weird sweat pants and made random comments to remind us of how hot she thought she was.  Every once in a while we recall the one night stand with the old chick that we thought was a MILF but turned out to be on the verge of senility and bankruptcy.  So we wonder how we can land another new hot chick...

Then we remember the alimony that would be due the current wife if we divorce in the next two years, say dangittoheck, and hope her friends teach her a new trick or two soon.  And that is why we must make due with the current wife, even if she's packing on a few pounds... at least for a little while.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 12, 2017, 11:35:30 pm
BS...your post is total horse manure. Not going into detail but first you claim everyone knew, then you state "if" they know. Total made up BS..anyone saying that BP shouldn't have been fired never has and never will be in a management position.

I'm not sure but I'm sort of thinking you didn't understand the post. It was in response to a couple of posters claiming Long knew about Petrino's mistress and not just Long but "everyone" knew. I was just kind of interested how they knew that and why, if was such common knowledge, they didn't offer evidence. So, no, it wasn't me that claimed everyone knew but the poster in the quote. As my posts today make clear I don't think there is any doubt that Bobby P. should have been fired for the crime of defalcating university funds to pay his mistress.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on September 13, 2017, 08:02:44 am
I'm not sure but I'm sort of thinking you didn't understand the post. It was in response to a couple of posters claiming Long knew about Petrino's mistress and not just Long but "everyone" knew. I was just kind of interested how they knew that and why, if was such common knowledge, they didn't offer evidence. So, no, it wasn't me that claimed everyone knew but the poster in the quote. As my posts today make clear I don't think there is any doubt that Bobby P. should have been fired for the crime of defalcating university funds to pay his mistress.


Wow.  In one post you talk about libel, in this one you accuse BP of embezzlement.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Ex-Trumpet on September 13, 2017, 08:03:19 am
Our fanbase gets married to an adequate woman with lots of personality who is loyal, but doesn't really turn us on the way we hoped.  So, we pine over the hot double-jointed redhead chick from our past who could eat a whole banana, and we gripe about our dad who made us break up with her because she was making the family look bad.  Then we throw in the bat-Starkville-crazy girl from way back who wore weird sweat pants and made random comments to remind us of how hot she thought she was.  Every once in a while we recall the one night stand with the old chick that we thought was a MILF but turned out to be on the verge of senility and bankruptcy.  So we wonder how we can land another new hot chick...

Then we remember the alimony that would be due the current wife if we divorce in the next two years, say dangittoheck, and hope her friends teach her a new trick or two soon.  And that is why we must make due with the current wife, even if she's packing on a few pounds... at least for a little while.

This is why the vetting process is a most important duty!!  :)
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 13, 2017, 08:13:52 am
I'm not sure but I'm sort of thinking you didn't understand the post. It was in response to a couple of posters claiming Long knew about Petrino's mistress and not just Long but "everyone" knew. I was just kind of interested how they knew that and why, if was such common knowledge, they didn't offer evidence. So, no, it wasn't me that claimed everyone knew but the poster in the quote. As my posts today make clear I don't think there is any doubt that Bobby P. should have been fired for the crime of defalcating university funds to pay his mistress.

The money BP gave Jessica came from his own private bank account. It was not University money.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 13, 2017, 09:18:10 am
The money BP gave Jessica came from his own private bank account. It was not University money.

So Bobby paid her salary of $55,000 +?  Mighty generous of him.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 09:21:21 am
Why should he? Jeff Long hired her for that position.
So Bobby paid her salary of $55,000 +?  Mighty generous of him.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbackers on September 13, 2017, 09:22:50 am
5 pages.

Of this.

 :puke:
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 13, 2017, 09:26:58 am
So Bobby paid her salary of $55,000 +?  Mighty generous of him.

No, he gave her that money while she was working for the Razorback Foundation which is separate from the university and if I remember correctly, it was $25,000, not $55,000.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 09:29:14 am
The money BP gave Jessica came from his own private bank account. It was not University money.

so you are cool with this, but mad that Hugh Freeze paid an escort service? they are the same thing you know.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 09:33:19 am
So it is your belief gifts of objects/money in a relationship equal a transaction between prostitutes and "Johns"....Try explaining that to your significant other.
so you are cool with this, but mad that Hugh Freeze paid an escort service? they are the same thing you know.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 09:35:11 am
umm if i told my significant other that i gave a girl 20,000 dollars, oh and i slept with her what would you think she would say?

He didn't give her gas money or buy her a sandwich he gave her TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS and a nice 55k a year job right next to him.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 13, 2017, 09:39:11 am
Our fanbase gets married to an adequate woman with lots of personality who is loyal, but doesn't really turn us on the way we hoped.  So, we pine over the hot double-jointed redhead chick from our past who could eat a whole banana, and we gripe about our dad who made us break up with her because she was making the family look bad.  Then we throw in the bat-Starkville-crazy girl from way back who wore weird sweat pants and made random comments to remind us of how hot she thought she was.  Every once in a while we recall the one night stand with the old chick that we thought was a MILF but turned out to be on the verge of senility and bankruptcy.  So we wonder how we can land another new hot chick...

Then we remember the alimony that would be due the current wife if we divorce in the next two years, say dangittoheck, and hope her friends teach her a new trick or two soon.  And that is why we must make due with the current wife, even if she's packing on a few pounds... at least for a little while.

Sounds like my life, or wait, we're talking football, fire em all!
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 09:39:26 am
Didn't you take your significant other on a date? Did you pay for the meal? Movie? Trip? The dollar amount does not define the title.
umm if i told my significant other that i gave a girl 20,000 dollars, oh and i slept with her what would you think she would say?

He didn't give her gas money or buy her a sandwich he gave her TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS and a nice 55k a year job right next to him.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 09:41:07 am
Didn't you take your significant other on a date? Did you pay for the meal? Movie? Trip? The dollar amount does not define the title.

hahah wow you are deep in that Petrino groin area arent you?  there is no way you are married, or are serious.

Did you really just try and equate a date (with a mistress no less) to giving a side piece twenty THOUSAND dollars, not over time, not over a 20 year relationship AT ONE TIME lol....

She is hooker and he is a john spin it how you want but that is the reality.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Dr Carl aka Shorthog on September 13, 2017, 09:42:50 am
If CBP ever wanted an ego boost all he'd have to do is come here. We still haven't gotten over him as a fanbase. Almost everyone I talk to wishes he would not have effed up and was still the coach. But he's not. Move on.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 09:53:40 am
Probably not as deep as your immersion.....But have to leave you something to brag about...........Based on you defining that relationship as being equal to an escort service,  rational people can come to no other conclusion. Dollar amount does not matter....There are no laws that define solicitation with 20k as the starting point.   
hahah wow you are deep in that Petrino groin area arent you?  there is no way you are married, or are serious.

Did you really just try and equate a date (with a mistress no less) to giving a side pieces twenty THOUSAND dollars, not over time, not over a 20 year relationship AT ONE TIME lol....
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 13, 2017, 09:54:17 am
No, he gave her that money while she was working for the Razorback Foundation which is separate from the university and if I remember correctly, it was $25,000, not $55,000.

Well according to the contract I read, signed by Jeff Long, the salary was $55,000 (as player development coordinator). And maybe I'm mistaken but I don't believe that the Razorback Foundation was established as Bobby Petrino's slush fund. I assume people ponyed up money on the belief that it wouldn't be peculated or misappropriated.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 09:58:12 am
Probably not as deep as your immersion.....But have to leave you something to brag about...........Based on you defining that relationship as being equal to an escort service,  rational people can come to no other conclusion. Dollar amount does not matter....There are no laws that define solicitation with 20k as the starting point.   

You are right dollar amount doesn't matter in this case because he clearly cheated on his wife, paid the girl he was sleeping with large sums of money (out of the goodness of his heart i am sure), and then proceeded to surreptitiously get her hired so they could be closer together on recruiting trips while his wife was at home taking care of the kids.

yep totally stand up guy.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on September 13, 2017, 09:58:23 am
Well according to the contract I read, signed by Jeff Long, the salary was $55,000 (as player development coordinator). And maybe I'm mistaken but I don't believe that the Razorback Foundation was established as Bobby Petrino's slush fund. I assume people ponyed up money on the belief that it wouldn't be peculated or misappropriated.

She was being paid by the University after she was hired.

She was given the gift by CBMFP while she was still employed by the Razorback Foundation, before she was hired by the University.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 09:59:57 am
Blame the administrator that hired her. I am sure you can convince him of his error. athldir@uark.edu
Well according to the contract I read, signed by Jeff Long, the salary was $55,000 (as player development coordinator). And maybe I'm mistaken but I don't believe that the Razorback Foundation was established as Bobby Petrino's slush fund. I assume people ponyed up money on the belief that it wouldn't be peculated or misappropriated.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 10:02:01 am
Blame the administrator that hired her. I am sure you can convince him of his error. athldir@uark.edu

blame the administrator that didn't know Petrino was banging the girl he hired.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 10:04:04 am
Moving the goal post? The discussion was not about right and wrong. Rather, it was about you and other's fabrications, name calling, and pure asshattery while claiming some moral high ground.
 
You are right dollar amount doesn't matter in this case because he clearly cheated on his wife, paid the girl he was sleeping with large sums of money (out of the goodness of his heart i am sure), and then proceeded to surreptitiously get her hired so they could be closer together on recruiting trips while his wife was at home taking care of the kids.

yep totally stand up guy.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 10:07:19 am
Moving the goal post? The discussion was not about right and wrong. Rather, it was about you and other's fabrications, name calling, and pure asshattery while claiming some moral high ground.
 

no goal posts were moved.  In any world to any person paying your mistress 20 k for a Xmas present is not right.  By any measure by anything.

Having anything to do with the hiring of your mistress to a position of direct report to you is not right by any measure in any organization.

It is easy to have the moral high ground in this situation because i have never and would never cheat on my wife. And if i did i would expect her to kill me and i wouldn't blame her for it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 10:10:11 am
You know this how? All we know is media personalities have said they and others knew. Besides, Long is an administrator. From I what I have seen, a good one. One characteristic of a good bureaucratic administrator is their due diligence. Either he knew or he didn't do his job. Both underlines his fitness to be the AD.
blame the administrator that didn't know Petrino was banging the girl he hired.b
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 10:17:31 am
You know this how? All we know is media personalities have said they and others knew. Besides, Long is an administrator. From I what I have seen, a good one. One characteristic of a good bureaucratic administrator is their due diligence. Either he knew or he didn't do his job. Both underlines his fitness to be the AD.
i read the notes from Long, Fagg, Petrino and the girl that were either posted in this thread or one of the others.

If Long did know that is debatable sure he could be lying.  Are you also assuming the committee knew? and yet you are blaming anyone and everyone except the person who did it.  Sorry but it is not Long's job nor a hiring committee's job to know if the head coach is banging a side piece and paying her 20k for some nice Xmas undies.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 10:21:01 am
no goal posts were moved.  In any world to any person paying your mistress 20 k for a Xmas present is not right.  By any measure by anything.
So is 5 dollars ok for Xmas? 100 dollar? Maybe 20k is not much for a coach making millions. Why is it not right he does what he wants with his money?
Having anything to do with the hiring of your mistress to a position of direct report to you is not right by any measure in any organization.
I am ignorant of your past or current circumstances. But, if you have not seen favoritism, and nepotism in both public and private companies, you need to get out more.
It is easy to have the moral high ground in this situation because i have never and would never cheat on my wife. And if i did i would expect her to kill me and i wouldn't blame her for it.
I am sure your wife is very lucky to have you. I agree, once you make that vow, you should stay faithful. However, studies have shown the number of infidelities, emotional and physical is 20%~40%. faithfulness s no way near the exception it once was. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 10:24:55 am


so because the world is more morally bankrupt we should let it go for the sake of a couple more wins (and not even against teams that matter i mean for Saban sure, but Petrino is no Saban) got it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 10:38:04 am
Bla
i read the notes from Long, Fagg, Petrino and the girl that were either posted in this thread or one of the others.

If Long did know that is debatable sure he could be lying.Sure and I can accept the premise he did not know. However, based on who professed to have known and knowing the gossipy nature of small offices, I would put my money on the fact he did know.  Are you also assuming the committee knew? too many variables to state with an unequivocal yes or no. If Jeff knew, wouldn't he be required to tell them? If Jeff didn't know, is there a possibility one of the members heard rumors?and yet you are blaming anyone and everyone except the person who did it. Was the discussion about who is to blame for the affair/lie? Because if it is, it totally falls on the lap of CBP. However, I went back and re-read our conversations and it seems I was disagreeing with you and others calling her a whore, prostitute and accusing him of embezzlement.   Sorry but it is not Long's job nor a hiring committee's job to know if the head coach is banging a side piece and paying her 20k for some nice Xmas undies. Maybe not, but it is Jeff Long's job to vet the applicants and not rubber stamp them. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 10:40:55 am
For Saban? So wins and losses define your morality? So your entire argument is not the lies or the unfaithfulness by CBP, but the number of wins. 
so because the world is more morally bankrupt we should let it go for the sake of a couple more wins (and not even against teams that matter i mean for Saban sure, but Petrino is no Saban) got it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 10:43:29 am
For Saban? So wins and losses define your morality? So your entire argument is not the lies or the unfaithfulness by CBP, but the number of wins. 

no i threw that in there on the edit because i knew you would seize upon it.  A fake life line if you will to illustrate that you are willing to settle for slightly better than Beliema and a far cry from Saban for your soul/integrity/morality.

I was kidding, no i would not trade my schools soul for Saban or anyone, but i know alot of people that would and their names are more than likely not on the side walk.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 13, 2017, 10:50:50 am
The money BP gave Jessica came from his own private bank account. It was not University money.

Which was a breach of contract
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 13, 2017, 10:52:19 am
So it is your belief gifts of objects/money in a relationship equal a transaction between prostitutes and "Johns"....Try explaining that to your significant other.

I bet Bobby had fun explaining that to his significant other :)
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 10:56:55 am
no i threw that in there on the edit because i knew you would seize upon it.  A fake life line if you will to illustrate that you are willing to settle for slightly better than Beliema and a far cry from Saban for your soul/integrity/morality.You got that from? Better yet, find me a quote from our discussion where I advocated for bringing CBP back or absolving him of lying/unfaithfulness. I have more than accepted the fact he is gone and never returning, I have also accepted he was not a great person. However, you and the name calling bunch seem not to be satisfied with that. rather,
you insist everyone agree upon even more invectives and fabrications.


I was kidding, no i would not trade my schools soul for Saban or anyone, but i know alot of people that would and their names are more than likely not on the side walk. Logic at its finest.....Integrity, as you have defined it, only comes from graduating from the UofA..... Spent 5 wonderful years there and there were plenty of DBs I wouldn't trust a quarter in the urinal with.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 10:58:04 am
I am sure he did...Deserved everything that was said by her too.
I bet Bobby had fun explaining that to his significant other :)
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 10:59:44 am


i am done trying to separate your posts from mine because you can't figure out how to quote properly.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 10:59:53 am
Enlighten me, I have not heard this angle.
Which was a breach of contract
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HotlantaHog on September 13, 2017, 11:00:22 am
I think it's entirely possible to believe Bobby Petrino is a very bad guy who did very bad things -- but that you would be fine with having as a football coach, after slapping him on the wrist... why he is back to coaching again Saturday night on ABC and was coaching again soon after leaving Arkansas.

I agree with what another poster said ... basically I don't care what he does in his private life, and while some of his conduct WAS bad and broke university rules and what you expect from an employee, there could have been a way to keep him with some discipline ....

Conduct that you couldn't forgive would be academic fraud such as what occurred at UGA under its former basketball coach or covering up a serious crime which is what happened at Penn State.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:01:24 am
Enlighten me, I have not heard this angle.

behavior unbecoming doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this.  it is in Long's notes to he even cut and pasted it from Petrino's contract.

So while to you the world is stupid and morally bankrupt there are still morality clauses in some people's contracts especially those that make so much money a chunk on the state's dime.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:01:41 am
So your inadequacies are my fault.
i am done trying to separate your posts from mine because you can't figure out how to quote properly.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:03:31 am
His money and how he spends it, within the letter of law, has zero to do with morality
behavior unbecoming doesn't take a rocket scientist to know this.  it is in Long's notes to he even cut and pasted it from Petrino's contract.

So while to you the world is stupid and morally bankrupt there are still morality clauses in some people's contracts especially those that make so much money a chunk on the state's dime.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:04:35 am
I think it's entirely possible to believe Bobby Petrino is a very bad guy who did very bad things -- but that you would be fine with having as a football coach, after slapping him on the wrist... why he is back to coaching again Saturday night on ABC and was coaching again soon after leaving Arkansas.

I agree with what another poster said ... basically I don't care what he does in his private life, and while some of his conduct WAS bad and broke university rules and what you expect from an employee, there could have been a way to keep him with some discipline ....

Conduct that you couldn't forgive would be academic fraud such as what occurred at UGA under its former basketball coach or covering up a serious crime which is what happened at Penn State.

i have said this a thousand times. If Petrino had never brought her into the athletic department he would still be here or at least would not have been fired then.

People love to point to the UOfA as the land grant University and then try and act like it's employees are not all beholden to that standard when they are the head football coach.

He is a state employee just like the Physics Professor, or the Chancellor. If Jessica had gotten a job in the English Department and Petrino had nothing to do with it, he would not have been fired.

THe simple fact is that he participated, facilitated the hiring of his mistress to a competitive position.  It is a HR nightmare not to mention law suits, institutional control etc.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:05:04 am
His money and how he spends it, within the letter of law, has zero to do with morality
obviously one of us wrong about this i wonder which one it is ....
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 13, 2017, 11:05:17 am
I will say this. I miss Bobby.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:05:34 am
So your inadequacies are my fault.
hey i am not the idiot that can't figure to simply click "quote".
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: GuvHog on September 13, 2017, 11:09:27 am
i have said this a thousand times. If Petrino had never brought her into the athletic department he would still be here or at least would not have been fired then.

People love to point to the UOfA as the land grant University and then try and act like it's employees are not all beholden to that standard when they are the head football coach.

He is a state employee just like the Physics Professor, or the Chancellor. If Jessica had gotten a job in the English Department and Petrino had nothing to do with it, he would not have been fired.

THe simple fact is that he participated, facilitated the hiring of his mistress to a competitive position.  It is a HR nightmare not to mention law suits, institutional control etc.

There was never a possibility of lawsuits or institutional control problems, that has been proven.

We get it, you believe Long's word is Gospel. It most certainly isn't Gospel.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Tigaman on September 13, 2017, 11:09:53 am
i have said this a thousand times. If Petrino had never brought her into the athletic department he would still be here or at least would not have been fired then.

People love to point to the UOfA as the land grant University and then try and act like it's employees are not all beholden to that standard when they are the head football coach.

He is a state employee just like the Physics Professor, or the Chancellor. If Jessica had gotten a job in the English Department and Petrino had nothing to do with it, he would not have been fired.

THe simple fact is that he participated, facilitated the hiring of his mistress to a competitive position.  It is a HR nightmare not to mention law suits, institutional control etc.

Nepotism is very common at the U of A. While I was there, I knew of 3 sets of husband-wife professors that actively worked with each together. How is that any different?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 11:11:10 am
Nepotism is very common at the U of A. While I was there, I knew of 3 sets of husband-wife professors that actively worked with each together. How is that any different?

Did you just ask how hiring your mistress and giving her 20k is differenr than husband and wife professors working together? And you were serious?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:13:06 am
Nepotism is very common at the U of A. While I was there, I knew of 3 sets of husband-wife professors that actively worked with each together. How is that any different?

here is how.

Husband and wife

Neither in a position of direct command over one another IE not responsible for each others raises etc.

While Nepotism is common it is disclosed and plans are drawn up in relation to it.

Secret mistresses do not fall under this term.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:13:48 am
There was never a possibility of lawsuits or institutional control problems, that has been proven.

We get it, you believe Long's word is Gospel. It most certainly isn't Gospel.


where is the proof?  because i can promise you if i was the person not hired to this position i would be suing.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ricepig on September 13, 2017, 11:14:02 am
His money and how he spends it, within the letter of law, has zero to do with morality
True, but it's in the standard UofA contract that you can't supplement the income of any assistant coach, DFO, GA, etc, including anyone involved with the football program, or a representative of our athletic interests.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:14:54 am
Did you just ask how hiring your mistress and giving her 20k is differenr than husband and wife professors working together? And you were serious?

win at all cost attitude lol it exists man.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Tigaman on September 13, 2017, 11:15:03 am
here is how.

Husband and wife

Neither in a position of direct command over one another IE not responsible for each others raises etc.

While Nepotism is common it is disclosed and plans are drawn up in relation to it.

Secret mistresses do not fall under this term.

In 2 of the cases one is the department head and the other works directly under them.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:15:37 am
I accept your mea culpa. Learn from it......
obviously one of us wrong about this i wonder which one it is ....
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:15:52 am
In 2 of the cases one is the department head and the other works directly under them.

again disclosed conflict of interest, i can promise you it is known and handled there are entire departments in the University to handling just these type of things.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:16:40 am
I accept your mea culpa. Learn from it......

Ok White Goodman
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:17:41 am
You just can't make this up.....
win at all cost attitude lol it exists man.

so because the world is more morally bankrupt we should let it go for the sake of a couple more wins (and not even against teams that matter i mean for Saban sure, but Petrino is no Saban) got it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:21:10 am
Good point, but the premise of his point was the morality clause.
True, but it's in the standard UofA contract that you can't supplement the income of any assistant coach, DFO, GA, etc, including anyone involved with the football program, or a representative of our athletic interests.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:21:12 am
damn you are White Goodman, "i can't make you bleed your own blood".
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:22:53 am
I think you inabilty "to simply click "quote"" is the issue
hey i am not the idiot that can't figure to simply click "quote".
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:24:46 am
I think you inabilty "to simply click "quote"" is the issue

umm i wasn't/didn't quote you.  I was replying directly to you because i knew you would answer White.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HotlantaHog on September 13, 2017, 11:24:50 am
i have said this a thousand times. If Petrino had never brought her into the athletic department he would still be here or at least would not have been fired then.

People love to point to the UOfA as the land grant University and then try and act like it's employees are not all beholden to that standard when they are the head football coach.

He is a state employee just like the Physics Professor, or the Chancellor. If Jessica had gotten a job in the English Department and Petrino had nothing to do with it, he would not have been fired.

THe simple fact is that he participated, facilitated the hiring of his mistress to a competitive position.  It is a HR nightmare not to mention law suits, institutional control etc.

You would have to remove the mistress from her position and pay her a buyout to settle any harm done.

Beyond that you would have to discipline Petrino for making such a boneheaded move. The discipline could be a firing -- but it could also be a suspension, a cut in pay or a cut in buyout, or all of those things.

Bobby and JL didn't agree on the penalty that day so JL announced his firing. If he had instead announced I am indefinitely suspending Petrino as coach, how would that have played out? They meet again at some point in the future and negotiate a deal on the penalties -- and the world weighs in and Petrino realizes he is toxic to bigger programs in the near and intermediate future....

I don't think it's implausible that JL couldn't have negotiated a deal for penalties with Petrino, even as I agree Petrino is a total jerk and did some very bad stuff.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:25:24 am
Proof is in the pudding...Where are all the lawsuits?

where is the proof?  because i can promise you if i was the person not hired to this position i would be suing.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:27:55 am
You would have to remove the mistress from her position and pay her a buyout to settle any harm done.

Beyond that you would have to discipline Petrino for making such a boneheaded move. The discipline could be a firing -- but it could also be a suspension, a cut in pay or a cut in buyout, or all of those things.

Bobby and JL didn't agree on the penalty that day so JL announced his firing. If he had instead announced I am indefinitely suspending Petrino as coach, how would that have played out? They meet again at some point in the future and negotiate a deal on the penalties -- and the world weighs in and Petrino realizes he is toxic to bigger programs in the near and intermediate future....

I don't think it's implausible that JL couldn't have negotiated a deal for penalties with Petrino, even as I agree Petrino is a total jerk and did some very bad stuff.

I never said it was impossible, i said and still say that him being fired is totally legit and reasonable thing to do given what happened.

I still believe if he wasn't fired for it, that the ship would continue to sink and the breaches would just get worse and worse IE win at all costs.  I mean what would be next ? academic fraud?  player character issues? i mean how can you make RB01 go to class if you can't even keep your HC's D in his pants?

lack of discipline is infectious if the top has it, then the rest is sure to follow.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:28:17 am
Proof is in the pudding...Where are all the lawsuits?

read the post above yours White
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:28:29 am
Didn't know the quote and had to look it up. Never saw Dodgeball.
umm i wasn't/didn't quote you.  I was replying directly to you because i knew you would answer White.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:29:17 am
Didn't know the quote and had to look it up. Never saw Dodgeball.
i know you never saw it, you starred in it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 13, 2017, 11:33:49 am
I love the experts on this board. Literally "everyone" knew Bobby P. was screwing a girl he recommended for a legitimate position. I mean it was common knowledge- Long knew it, the chancellor knew it, the president knew it-go Bobby! and does she have a sister? So what was the problem for goodness sake? I mean why fire a coach who could beat everyone but Alabama? Did Long just have a death wish or was his attachment to integrity so great that when the whole sordid thing came out he just had to pretend to St. Jeff the pious? If you know Long knew put your money where your mouth is and prove it. If he did know he should have been fired along with Bobby but I think, unless you can prove it, you ought to careful with the libel.
Long's a public figure. The poster doesn't have to prove a darn thing. Long would have to prove the poster knew what he wrote to be false or that he had a knowing disregard for whether it was false. Take a business law class someday. Preferably before you post on that subject again.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:35:06 am
You are seriously reaching here. He might have been a dirtbag...Cheated on his wife and was an all-around [CENSORED], but nothing in his past or current history has a hint of cheating on the field. Also, from Louisville to Atlanta to Arkansas, he had a reputation of being a no nonsense, by the books type of guy. Matter of fact, you can directly attribute the collapse of Louisville and Arkansas following his departure as evidence of his by the books approach. 
I never said it was impossible, i said and still say that him being fired is totally legit and reasonable thing to do given what happened.

I still believe if he wasn't fired for it, that the ship would continue to sink and the breaches would just get worse and worse IE win at all costs.  I mean what would be next ? academic fraud?  player character issues? i mean how can you make RB01 go to class if you can't even keep your HC's D in his pants?

lack of discipline is infectious if the top has it, then the rest is sure to follow.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:36:13 am
I starred in it, yet never saw it....Mama jokes next?
i know you never saw it, you starred in it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 11:38:11 am
You are seriously reaching here. He might have been a dirtbag...Cheated on his wife and was an all-around [CENSORED], but nothing in his past or current history has a hint of cheating on the field. Also, from Louisville to Atlanta to Arkansas, he had a reputation of being a no nonsense, by the books type of guy. Matter of fact, you can directly attribute the collapse of Louisville and Arkansas following his departure as evidence of his by the books approach.

No hint huh?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/sports/football/louisville-wake-forest-announcer-game-plan.html
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:39:08 am
You know nothing came of it.
No hint huh?

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/14/sports/football/louisville-wake-forest-announcer-game-plan.html
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: wachhog on September 13, 2017, 11:40:23 am
I never said it was impossible, i said and still say that him being fired is totally legit and reasonable thing to do given what happened.

I still believe if he wasn't fired for it, that the ship would continue to sink and the breaches would just get worse and worse IE win at all costs.  I mean what would be next ? academic fraud?  player character issues? i mean how can you make RB01 go to class if you can't even keep your HC's D in his pants?

lack of discipline is infectious if the top has it, then the rest is sure to follow.
With your last paragraph I totally agree. Weighing an unhealthy amount shows a lack of self discipline.  When the guy at the top lacks self discipline, the rest are sure to follow.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HoggyCat on September 13, 2017, 11:40:36 am
So did Long basically lie at the press conference?

Which lie at which press conference??
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:41:40 am
LOL...Are you steering us back to topic?
Which lie at which press conference??
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 11:43:32 am
You know nothing came of it.

It's certainly a hint.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:47:08 am
I tend to think sef discipline was not the issue. Rather, it was an over inflated ego inflated by many of us including, now, his harshest critics. This gave him a sense of invincibility and arrogance. Hence his refusal of Long's conditions for further employment.
With your last paragraph I totally agree. Weighing an unhealthy amount shows a lack of self discipline.  When the guy at the top lacks self discipline, the rest are sure to follow.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:52:43 am
Sure there is...Throw it and see what sticks. But we know rational people, with an open mind, pay no attention to things that were not proven.I am sure somewhere in your past, you were accused of something not true/unproven. Hopefully, no one argued "hint" with you.
It's certainly a hint.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 11:54:09 am
Sure there is...Throw it and see what sticks. But we know rational people, with an open mind, pay no attention to things that were not proven.I am sure somewhere in your past, you were accused of something not true/unproven. Hopefully, no one argued "hint" with you.

They admitted it. It's proven. One can't say exactly how BP was involved but there's no denying his team got the opponents playbook. You said there wasn't a hint. Well, there was actually a hint.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:55:15 am
I tend to think sef discipline was not the issue. Rather, it was an over inflated ego inflated by many of us including, now, his harshest critics. This gave him a sense of invincibility and arrogance. Hence his refusal of Long's conditions for further employment.


I don't think you understood his reference there White, the guy you quoted was pointing out that Beliema is over weight (shows lack of discipline) and that could trickle down to the team etc. much like a known philander shows a lack of discipline.
I mean you can call it ego i call it 20 large will buy you some options.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 11:56:07 am
I said of cheating. Was it considered cheating? If so, did the conference and NCAA punish or reprimand CBP?
They admitted it. It's proven. One can't say exactly how BP was involved but there's no denying his team got the opponents playbook. You said there wasn't a hint. Well, there was actually a hint.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 11:57:03 am
They admitted it. It's proven. One can't say exactly how BP was involved but there's no denying his team got the opponents playbook. You said there wasn't a hint. Well, there was actually a hint.

just more arguing in the face of facts man.  It proves that to some people a crime/slight/screw job can be overlooked if they can benefit from it in anyway.

So moral of the story you can rob White Goodman, but hey at least be able to have a good offense.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 11:58:43 am
I said of cheating. Was it considered cheating? If so, did the conference and NCAA punish or reprimand CBP?

They did not, but you didn't say charged and punished for, you said hint of. Use more precise language next time maybe, because when you claim no hint of cheating, and there is a hint of cheating it can be easily proven that you're wrong.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 12:00:12 pm
Noted.....Flew right past the weight remark....Could CBB have "out kicked his coverage" if he was a carpenter or in middle management? 20 large might not have been enough.

I don't think you understood his reference there White, the guy you quoted was pointing out that Beliema is over weight (shows lack of discipline) and that could trickle down to the team etc. much like a known philander shows a lack of discipline.
I mean you can call it ego i call it 20 large will buy you some options.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HotlantaHog on September 13, 2017, 12:01:26 pm
They admitted it. It's proven. One can't say exactly how BP was involved but there's no denying his team got the opponents playbook. You said there wasn't a hint. Well, there was actually a hint.
Stealing a playbook is about the level of offense as the New England Patriots committed ... illegal videotaping or not inflating the balls correctly .... it's like the pitcher who sneaks in some substance .... it is an offense but hardly the end of the world.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 12:15:56 pm
Ahh...the game of absolute equivalence. Unfortunately, I only add weight if provable.....In your world, there are hints of Bigfoot, UFOs, Obama being gay, Trump being a Manchurian candidate and the moon landing shot on a movie lot.
They did not, but you didn't say charged and punished for, you said hint of. Use more precise language next time maybe, because when you claim no hint of cheating, and there is a hint of cheating it can be easily proven that you're wrong.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 12:18:33 pm
Ahh...the game of absolute equivalence. Unfortunately, I only add weight if provable.....In your world, there are hints of Bigfoot, UFOs, Obama being gay, Trump being a Manchurian candidate and the moon landing shot on a movie lot.

In my world, having possession of the opponent's playbook that you acquired by nefarious means is a "hint" at cheating. Maybe not in your world, confused as it may be.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 12:18:46 pm
Noted.....Flew right past the weight remark....Could CBB have "out kicked his coverage" if he was a carpenter or in middle management? 20 large might not have been enough.

I am sure this could apply to Beliema as well but the 20k was in reference to the "gift" Petrino gave to his mistress.  It is no secret some women are drawn to money and power no doubt.  So weight Beliema, paid for "services" Petrino to be clear both of which could be seen by the rank and file as short commings of the leadership and thus why we suck.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 12:33:16 pm
We are not arguing who had what and where......Below you state " One can't say exactly how BP was involved"' but you still want to lay it at his feet. Evidently, the NCAA and his conference agreed with your statement on his involvement. Unless you are implying another "hint" of a conspiracy? A coverup by the ACC and NCAA. With the, now low bar on the definition of a "hint" (any accusation regardless of how unprovable), maybe Bigfoot stole it and gave it to the aliens who then, gave it to CBP. Along with all the hints floating in the ether. 
They admitted it. It's proven. One can't say exactly how BP was involved but there's no denying his team got the opponents playbook. You said there wasn't a hint. Well, there was actually a hint.
In my world, having possession of the opponent's playbook that you acquired by nefarious means is a "hint" at cheating. Maybe not in your world, confused as it may be.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: redneckfriend on September 13, 2017, 12:34:50 pm
Long's a public figure. The poster doesn't have to prove a darn thing. Long would have to prove the poster knew what he wrote to be false or that he had a knowing disregard for whether it was false. Take a business law class someday. Preferably before you post on that subject again.

Lol, I don't need to take a "business law" class (and it isn't a "business law" issue but constitutional law i.e. First Amendment) . I'm well aware of the standard of malice established in Times v. Sullivan to prove libel in court against a public figure (knowledge or reckless lack of investigation). I think the point, if I may be so bold as to help you understand, wasn't to suggest that Long was going to sue the poster for libel and win but that the poster was in fact libeling someone in that he was publishing defamatory statements that he did not know to be true as if they were in fact true. In other words if Long had said similar things about the poster the poster, assuming he doesn't qualify for the Sullivan standard, could have sued Long.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 12:35:04 pm
I got what you meant....Hence me saying 20k might not have been enough.
I am sure this could apply to Beliema as well but the 20k was in reference to the "gift" Petrino gave to his mistress.  It is no secret some women are drawn to money and power no doubt.  So weight Beliema, paid for "services" Petrino to be clear both of which could be seen by the rank and file as short commings of the leadership and thus why we suck.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Pig Power on September 13, 2017, 12:37:46 pm
So where is the girl at today?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: 311Hog on September 13, 2017, 12:39:22 pm
So where is the girl at today?
Louisville staff? i kid  no really is she?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 12:39:27 pm
We are not arguing who had what and where......Below you state " One can't say exactly how BP was involved"' but you still want to lay it at his feet. Evidently, the NCAA and his conference agreed with your statement on his involvement. Unless you are implying another "hint" of a conspiracy? A coverup by the ACC and NCAA. With the, now low bar on the definition of a "hint" (any accusation regardless of how unprovable), maybe Bigfoot stole it and gave it to the aliens who then, gave it to CBP. Along with all the hints floating in the ether.

Sorry if your unsure what "hint" means. Your team having the other teams playbook is a "hint" in the real world. Continue in fantasy land if you wish.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 12:59:21 pm
Fantasyland? You agree there is no proof of CBP's guilt, yet it is a hint of his guilt because someone had the playbook? The old guilt by association.
Yeah, I know what "hint" means. The difference is your definition, despite how salacious and unproven it is, that "hint" must be a small sign of guilt. Anything and everything said has the same weight regardless of accuracy or proof. If your world requires the burden of proof to shift and forces one to defend negatives, I'll stay in fantasyland where all the "hints" of Bigfoot, Aliens and other conspiracies are not taken seriously if they do not meet the burden of proof.
 
Sorry if your unsure what "hint" means. Your team having the other teams playbook is a "hint" in the real world. Continue in fantasy land if you wish.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 01:03:10 pm
I think she married her former boyfriend. The same one who, some believe, beat CBP up.
So where is the girl at today?
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 01:06:02 pm
Fantasyland? You agree there is no proof of CBP's guilt, yet it is a hint of his guilt because someone had the playbook? The old guilt by association.
Yeah, I know what "hint" means. The difference is your definition, despite how salacious and unproven it is, that "hint" must be a small sign of guilt. Anything and everything said has the same weight regardless of accuracy or proof. If your world requires the burden of proof to shift and forces one to defend negatives, I'll stay in fantasyland where all the "hints" of Bigfoot, Aliens and other conspiracies are not taken seriously if they do not meet the burden of proof.

I see you're still struggling with the concept of the word hint.

hint
hint/Submit
noun
1. a slight or indirect indication or suggestion.

You saying his coaches having the other teams playbook isn't a slight or indirect indication that cheating was happening? If so, I can't help but laugh.

Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: HoggyCat on September 13, 2017, 01:13:40 pm
I will say this. I miss Bobby.

Bielema actually makes me miss Nutt, getting close to missing JLS.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 01:20:45 pm
Someone having a playbook has nothing to do with CBP. You keep pushing guilt by association. His coaches are not him. The NCAA and ACC found nothing to investigate. Only in your world is an accusation equals a hint of guilt. If I called you an asshat (Not that I think so), by your definition, that is a hint that you are one. OTOH, I would argue if I cannot bring tangible evidence you are one, this "hint" means nothing. 
I see you're still struggling with the concept of the word hint.

hint
hint/Submit
noun
1. a slight or indirect indication or suggestion.

You saying his coaches having the other teams playbook isn't a slight or indirect indication that cheating was happening? If so, I can't help but laugh.


Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 01:22:35 pm
LOL...It has really been tough if we look back at the John L's one year fondly.
Bielema actually makes me miss Nutt, getting close to missing JLS.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 01:23:21 pm
Someone having a playbook has nothing to do with CBP. You keep pushing guilt by association. His coaches are not him. The NCAA and ACC found nothing to investigate. Only in your world is an accusation equals a hint of guilt. If I called you an asshat (Not that I think so), by your definition, that is a hint that you are one. OTOH, I would argue if I cannot bring tangible evidence you are one, this "hint" means nothing.

I totally get that you don't get it. And I'm ok with it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 01:27:32 pm
I get the contrarian schtick. Not my first rodeo.
 
I totally get that you don't get it. And I'm ok with it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 01:44:22 pm
I get the contrarian schtick. Not my first rodeo.

It's a reality schtick. You'd be well served by recognizing it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Razorbax on September 13, 2017, 01:46:29 pm
Pompous to boot.....Have a good one.
It's a reality schtick. You'd be well served by recognizing it.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Sivad on September 13, 2017, 01:49:15 pm
There was never a possibility of lawsuits or institutional control problems, that has been proven.
The whole "threat of lawsuits" was always a fantasy. They could have still filed them (although there were never any legitimate plaintiffs or real damages) even after he was fired.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: gchamblee on September 13, 2017, 03:15:11 pm
Stealing a playbook is about the level of offense as the New England Patriots committed ... illegal videotaping or not inflating the balls correctly .... it's like the pitcher who sneaks in some substance .... it is an offense but hardly the end of the world.

And when we thought the sound guy on the sideline was cheating at the bama game? you guys lost your darn an wanted heads to roll lol. Double standards galore.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Cinco de Hogo on September 13, 2017, 04:37:38 pm
I totally get that you don't get it. And I'm ok with it.

Yea you seem to let things go over your head quite often. 

Do you know that Petrino knew about the playbook?  If you don't then your hint is worthless.   As is, do you know that Petrino really knew exactly what was going down when the plane from the plains landed in Louisville or that he should have in some way talked to players that were not present before he got on that plane to Arkansas(on Jerry Jones summons).  Maybe you don't KNOW he actually took the time to leave a note on each players locker.  Would Lord Saban have done something different. 

You people started roasting Petrino the day he accepted the job and you didn't stop until he was fired(happiest day of your sorry existence).  Funny how quickly he left all that behind him when got away from your sainthood. 
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: BrianG on September 13, 2017, 05:24:49 pm
 :Dwow.  Current coach is such a disappointment as  coach and fat slob a part of the fan base would rather have a guy who treated people badly.  Thought he was invincible.  Treated his family badly.  You talk about a train wreck.  And this according to Long should be the state of Arkansas' one and only.  Lord help us all.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: PorkRinds on September 13, 2017, 05:44:13 pm
Yea you seem to let things go over your head quite often. 

Do you know that Petrino knew about the playbook?  If you don't then your hint is worthless.   As is, do you know that Petrino really knew exactly what was going down when the plane from the plains landed in Louisville or that he should have in some way talked to players that were not present before he got on that plane to Arkansas(on Jerry Jones summons).  Maybe you don't KNOW he actually took the time to leave a note on each players locker.  Would Lord Saban have done something different. 

You people started roasting Petrino the day he accepted the job and you didn't stop until he was fired(happiest day of your sorry existence).  Funny how quickly he left all that behind him when got away from your sainthood.

I came here the day he wrecked his motorcycle, fanboy.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: ImHogginIt on September 13, 2017, 07:05:46 pm
If CBP ever wanted an ego boost all he'd have to do is come here. We still haven't gotten over him as a fanbase. Almost everyone I talk to wishes he would not have effed up and was still the coach. But he's not. Move on.

I'll move on only when Jeff Long is gone.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: lakecityhog on September 13, 2017, 07:54:04 pm
Half the people on this site need to be on Ritalin! This thread is not about Petrino, it's about Long!!

Just how much actual integrity does he have? If he was willing to even semi-sweep that whole saga under the carpet he would not quite be "doing it the right way"!

It's like every thread that even mentions BP turns into another huge argument over right and wrong.

IF and I do say IF, BB craps the bed this year and next will JL still keep him even though we are graduating players, we don't have major flare-ups with the law and our APR stays in the top 5 or 6 of the SEC? Does back to back 6 win seasons earn BB an extension? Does a 6 win season and a 5 win season or 2 seasons of 5 wins get him fired?

Where is the line between winning and integrity cross???
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: onebadrubi on September 13, 2017, 11:23:08 pm
Half the people on this site need to be on Ritalin! This thread is not about Petrino, it's about Long!!

Just how much actual integrity does he have? If he was willing to even semi-sweep that whole saga under the carpet he would not quite be "doing it the right way"!

It's like every thread that even mentions BP turns into another huge argument over right and wrong.

IF and I do say IF, BB craps the bed this year and next will JL still keep him even though we are graduating players, we don't have major flare-ups with the law and our APR stays in the top 5 or 6 of the SEC? Does back to back 6 win seasons earn BB an extension? Does a 6 win season and a 5 win season or 2 seasons of 5 wins get him fired?

Where is the line between winning and integrity cross???

8 wins in my opinion
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: RideTillIDieHawg on December 06, 2017, 04:25:36 am
Can't believe how much one incident can destroy an entire football program.
Title: Re: Did JL really offer Petrino a deal?
Post by: Großer Kriegschwein on December 06, 2017, 04:26:54 am
Can't believe how much one incident can destroy an entire football program.

This was the last thing left for this week. Resurrecting an old BP thread.