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hogsanity

Quote from: GuvHog on June 07, 2017, 01:40:42 pm
I agree but some of them aren't being pushed to even get a "C" average.

So the standards should be lowered back to what they were when he was playing? Not sure I know where you are going with this.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

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GuvHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 07, 2017, 02:06:42 pm
So the standards should be lowered back to what they were when he was playing? Not sure I know where you are going with this.

No, I don't think they should be lowered. It's just sad that some students who might be good athletes are not being pushed to get their grades where they need to be.
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hogsanity

Quote from: GuvHog on June 07, 2017, 02:42:17 pm
No, I don't think they should be lowered. It's just sad that some students who might be good athletes are not being pushed to get their grades where they need to be.

agree with that 100%.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

ErieHog

Quote from: hogsanity on May 31, 2017, 10:25:03 am
I do not see that at all.

Its a very simple equation.

You are what you do, not what you desire to become.

Arkansas is a basketball state, that desires strongly to be a football relevant state, but it isn't. 
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogsanity

Quote from: ErieHog on June 07, 2017, 03:55:31 pm
Its a very simple equation.

You are what you do, not what you desire to become.

Arkansas is a basketball state, that desires strongly to be a football relevant state, but it isn't. 

Well, actually, we are a state that desires to be relevant, period.  No one outside the state thinks about Ar HS football or basketball. Maybe about a couple of players in each sport, but not either sport as a whole.

If, though, you made people choose which sport their HS would play, they'd almost all choose football. Even some of the districts that do not currently play football, they desperately want to, they just do not have the funds or numbers to do so.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

ErieHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 07, 2017, 04:41:53 pm
Well, actually, we are a state that desires to be relevant, period.  No one outside the state thinks about Ar HS football or basketball. Maybe about a couple of players in each sport, but not either sport as a whole.

If, though, you made people choose which sport their HS would play, they'd almost all choose football. Even some of the districts that do not currently play football, they desperately want to, they just do not have the funds or numbers to do so.

That's the essence of the issue, and why so many people think that Arkansas is a football state.

Again.  What you want is not what you do.  Basketball state, basketball school, basketball environment.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogsanity

Quote from: ErieHog on June 07, 2017, 09:42:37 pm
That's the essence of the issue, and why so many people think that Arkansas is a football state.

Again.  What you want is not what you do.  Basketball state, basketball school, basketball environment.

Just because some of you want it to be a basketball state does not make it so either. The reality is, if we are talking about players, it is neither. If we are talking about players that move on to college and beyond, then AR is a baseball state.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

Inhogswetrust

I thought Arkansas was more of a hunting and fishing state..............................ask some fans and they'll say that nobody goes to football games during hunting season.
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popcornhog

Quote from: FineAsSwine on May 30, 2017, 08:56:41 am
Arkansas is a football state, period. Doubt that ever changes.

Why do you say that? We've got more history in both hoops and baseball.
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GuvHog

Quote from: popcornhog on June 08, 2017, 02:40:21 pm
Why do you say that? We've got more history in both hoops and baseball.

Not really. Basketball didn't really start to have meaning in Arkansas until Eddie Sutton arrived in Fayetteville in the late 70's and football had been big in Arkansas since long before that.
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hogsanity

Are we talking about which Hog sports means more? Which HS sport? Which sport people would rather watch in general? Which sport produces more top level talent? I can tell you football is the answer to every one of those questions except maybe the last one.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

Youngsta71701

Quote from: FineAsSwine on May 30, 2017, 08:56:41 am
Arkansas is a football state, period. Doubt that ever changes.
Like it or not he might have a point. If those kids that are playing basketball also played football the amount of D1 football talent in this state would probably double. Especially in central Arkansas.
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

ErieHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 08, 2017, 09:09:40 am
Just because some of you want it to be a basketball state does not make it so either. The reality is, if we are talking about players, it is neither. If we are talking about players that move on to college and beyond, then AR is a baseball state.

The numbers, results, and practices argue otherwise.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

 

tophawg19

Quote from: hogsanity on June 07, 2017, 04:41:53 pm
Well, actually, we are a state that desires to be relevant, period.  No one outside the state thinks about Ar HS football or basketball. Maybe about a couple of players in each sport, but not either sport as a whole.

If, though, you made people choose which sport their HS would play, they'd almost all choose football. Even some of the districts that do not currently play football, they desperately want to, they just do not have the funds or numbers to do so.
Arkansas has more outside recruiters coming in from major schools than ever before . Our kids are drawing more national attention than ever before
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tophawg19

Quote from: hogsanity on June 08, 2017, 03:09:33 pm
Are we talking about which Hog sports means more? Which HS sport? Which sport people would rather watch in general? Which sport produces more top level talent? I can tell you football is the answer to every one of those questions except maybe the last one.
go to football games on a friday night and the stands are packed , basketball not so much
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daBoar

Quote from: GuvHog on June 08, 2017, 03:01:18 pm
Not really. Basketball didn't really start to have meaning in Arkansas until Eddie Sutton arrived in Fayetteville in the late 70's and football had been big in Arkansas since long before that.
Er, 74 Guv.  But, you probably weren't on the Hill then.

hogsanity

Quote from: tophawg19 on June 08, 2017, 05:44:28 pm
go to football games on a friday night and the stands are packed , basketball not so much

Yep. What a few people want to do is look at the most successful hs basketball programs and extrapolate that out over the state. There is no doubt that at a few school, basketball is the better sport and better attended. But, in general, football still is what brings people out. I called a game in the rain early last November, 2 teams going no where, and it was close to SRO. Not a rivalry game, not a conf title game, just a game.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

East TN HAWG

Quote from: tophawg19 on June 08, 2017, 05:44:28 pm
go to football games on a friday night and the stands are packed , basketball not so much
If you attended a football game at Kentucky there would be more people than you would find at Rupp Arena during a basketball game.  Does that makes KY a football school as well?


Danny J

Quote from: East TN HAWG on June 09, 2017, 10:54:07 am
If you attended a football game at Kentucky there would be more people than you would find at Rupp Arena during a basketball game.  Does that makes KY a football school as well?

LZH

Quote from: East TN HAWG on June 09, 2017, 10:54:07 am
If you attended a football game at Kentucky there would be more people than you would find at Rupp Arena during a basketball game.  Does that makes KY a football school as well?



If Rupp had 65,000 seats, it would probably be full anyway.

bollweevil

I told a friend from Kentucky that I believe Arkansas is a football state that also appreciates and supports good basketball, unlike much of the rest of the SEC. But if you look at the grassroots level (i.e. high school sports) I believe football far surpasses basketball in the hearts and minds of this state's sports fans.  There is no Hooten's Arkansas Basketball magazine. Television coverage of high school basketball pales in comparison with football. Coffee shop conversations in small towns across the state are usually focused on their local high school football team or Razorback football and basketball, but predominantly football. This state goes into a collective funk when Arkansas football loses the way the Hogs lost their last two games. I don't see that in basketball. As for my Kentucky friend, he tells me the only reason Kentucky invented bourbon was the get through football season.

ChicoHog

Quote from: East TN HAWG on June 09, 2017, 10:54:07 am
If you attended a football game at Kentucky there would be more people than you would find at Rupp Arena during a basketball game.  Does that makes KY a football school as well?


No it does not but UK is one of the few colleges/universities that the fans care more about basketball than football.  UK ,KU, Duke, IU, maybe Syracuse, UNC, UCLA, AZ and a couple more.  otherwise football is king.  Erie thinks because we have had more recent (last 40 years) success in basketball that makes us a basketball school.  False.  What makes your school is what the fans care about most.  Under Erie's theory we are a track and field school.  Yes, we are very successful at T&F but most of the fans don't care about it.  They care about football, basketball and baseball in that order. Always have and always will. 

ErieHog

Quote from: bollweevil on June 09, 2017, 05:39:00 pm
I told a friend from Kentucky that I believe Arkansas is a football state that also appreciates and supports good basketball, unlike much of the rest of the SEC. But if you look at the grassroots level (i.e. high school sports) I believe football far surpasses basketball in the hearts and minds of this state's sports fans.  There is no Hooten's Arkansas Basketball magazine. Television coverage of high school basketball pales in comparison with football. Coffee shop conversations in small towns across the state are usually focused on their local high school football team or Razorback football and basketball, but predominantly football. This state goes into a collective funk when Arkansas football loses the way the Hogs lost their last two games. I don't see that in basketball. As for my Kentucky friend, he tells me the only reason Kentucky invented bourbon was the get through football season.

Want <<< Do.

We'd love nothing better than to be a football state.  We simply aren't.  We support a bad quality product (AR HS football) over what we do better.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Sivad

Better hope not.
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bollweevil

Ah, but what we want is what we are. Yes, basketball is better right now, but that doesn't make Arkansas a basketball state. This state's first love has always been football. I don't see that changing, regardless of how much success we have in basketball.

ErieHog

Quote from: bollweevil on June 10, 2017, 09:34:40 am
Ah, but what we want is what we are. Yes, basketball is better right now, but that doesn't make Arkansas a basketball state. This state's first love has always been football. I don't see that changing, regardless of how much success we have in basketball.

It isn't.     Everyone wants to be fabulously wealthy-- that doesn't change the material circumstances of most.   You are what you are, no matter what you hope.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hawkhawg

I think In central Arkansas, basketball has surpassed football in the 30 and under age group. Speaking just for central Arkansas I know the number of  kids playing football goes down every year. But these guys putting on all the weekend basketball tournaments are getting rich. If you have a young kid (between the youth leagues, school teams, and tournament) you can just about find them some place to play almost every night.

Pork Twain

Quote from: hawgon on May 30, 2017, 09:32:32 am
Arkansas is a great basketball state, always has been.  Lots and lots of kids growing up through the 90s in Arkansas had no access to football as that they went to schools too small for football.  At those schools, basketball was king.
This is how it was when I was growing up in the 80s/90s in Arkansas.  I have never understood the insistence that Arkansas is a football state and not a basketball state.  I guess that logic works if you are fond of the 60s/70s, but the majority of us born after that, have never seen Arkansas football dominate anything but we have seen the Hawgs take over the court.

First, it can be both.  Second in a rural state like Arkansas, there are numerous schools that have basketball and baseball but are not big enough to even have a football team.
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hogsanity

Quote from: ErieHog on June 10, 2017, 01:05:54 am
Want <<< Do.

We'd love nothing better than to be a football state.  We simply aren't.  We support a bad quality product (AR HS football) over what we do better.


we don't do HS basketball any better than we do HS football. How many Arkansas kids are in the nba right now, I mean born and raised here? How many in the NFl? How many in MLB?
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

mightybulldogs12

I am more excited about basketball than football this year.  I never thought I would say that !

ErieHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 12, 2017, 03:10:54 pm
we don't do HS basketball any better than we do HS football. How many Arkansas kids are in the nba right now, I mean born and raised here? How many in the NFl? How many in MLB?

In the NBA?  Several.  Conley, Evans,  Goodwin, and Joe Johnson all come to mind.  You can throw in a couple of others who have been NBA-actives in the last year and a half.

Overall, we consistently provide about 1-2% of all NBA players.

In the NFL,  we produce about half that rate.

MLB,  about half way in between.

Keep in mind, we play a ton more football and baseball in Arkansas, than we do basketball;  our college attendance based on the highest levels of competition also skew similarly towards basketball-- you are about twice as likely to be a college basketball player from Arkansas than a college baseball or football player,  and that's even before adjusting to the amount of each sport played in Arkansas.


No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogsanity

Quote from: ErieHog on June 12, 2017, 04:21:02 pm
In the NBA?  Several.  Conley, Evans,  Goodwin, and Joe Johnson all come to mind.  You can throw in a couple of others who have been NBA-actives in the last year and a half.

Overall, we consistently provide about 1-2% of all NBA players.

In the NFL,  we produce about half that rate.

MLB,  about half way in between.

Keep in mind, we play a ton more football and baseball in Arkansas, than we do basketball;  our college attendance based on the highest levels of competition also skew similarly towards basketball-- you are about twice as likely to be a college basketball player from Arkansas than a college baseball or football player,  and that's even before adjusting to the amount of each sport played in Arkansas.




So, for classifying the state, are we doing it on what the fans want to watch, and most kids want to play, or on players making the pros, or on how our hs teams do when they step out of state?
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

GuvHog

Quote from: Pork Twain on June 10, 2017, 01:02:38 pm
This is how it was when I was growing up in the 80s/90s in Arkansas.  I have never understood the insistence that Arkansas is a football state and not a basketball state.  I guess that logic works if you are fond of the 60s/70s, but the majority of us born after that, have never seen Arkansas football dominate anything but we have seen the Hawgs take over the court.

First, it can be both.  Second in a rural state like Arkansas, there are numerous schools that have basketball and baseball but are not big enough to even have a football team.

I'm obviously older than you and I do remember the 60's and 70's. Back then, it was not uncommon for a football player from the state of Arkansas to get drafted by an NFL team but basketball was different. Before Eddie Sutton came to Arkansas, it was very rare for a player from this state to get drafted by an NBA team. The Triplets (Brewer, Delph, and Moncrief) actually brought attention to basketball in this state. I believe Marvin Delph was the only basketball player in the history of the state of Arkansas to be drafted into the NBA twice and turned it down both times saying "he had a higher calling".
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Inhogswetrust

June 12, 2017, 05:01:53 pm #133 Last Edit: June 13, 2017, 06:53:42 am by Inhogswetrust
Quote from: GuvHog on June 12, 2017, 04:46:49 pm
I'm obviously older than you and I do remember the 60's and 70's. Back then, it was not uncommon for a football player from the state of Arkansas to get drafted by an NFL team but basketball was different. Before Eddie Sutton came to Arkansas, it was very rare for a player from this state to get drafted by an NBA team. The Triplets (Brewer, Delph, and Moncrief) actually brought attention to basketball in this state. I believe Marvin Delph was the only basketball player in the history of the state of Arkansas to be drafted into the NBA twice and turned it down both times saying "he had a higher calling".

IIRC George Kok was drafted higher in the draft than any other Arkansas player. I think he was #2.
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ErieHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 12, 2017, 04:26:31 pm
So, for classifying the state, are we doing it on what the fans want to watch, and most kids want to play, or on players making the pros, or on how our hs teams do when they step out of state?

By the actual performances.     What you do, essentially, over the long haul, is who you are.

And basketball, we punch above our relative weight.   It doesn't mean we dominate nationally, or that we just bleed talent everywhere at all times--  but our best is pretty good.

Our HS teams  tend to be a bit isolated, because our schools do tend to be drawing on smaller pools, but fare relatively ok, compared to our football out of state.  When we concentrate talent, like on the AAU circuit, we do very well indeed nationally.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

GuvHog

Quote from: Inhogswetrust on June 12, 2017, 05:01:53 pm
IIRC George Kok was drafted higer in the draft than any other Arkansas player. I think he was #2.

Correct, but he was only drafted once. Marvin Delph was drafted after his senior year and turned it down then was again drafted the next year and turned that down too.
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factchecker

June 12, 2017, 06:15:27 pm #136 Last Edit: June 12, 2017, 09:06:18 pm by factchecker
Quote from: sevenof400 on June 12, 2017, 06:08:30 pm
If only that were true....

According to the annual report:

Quote"Nearly 2/3 of Athletic revenues are generated by the Razorback Football program"

https://issuu.com/christinezambetti/docs/2016-annual-report
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GuvHog

Quote from: factchecker on June 12, 2017, 06:15:27 pm
According to the annual report:

https://issuu.com/christinezambetti/docs/2016-annual-report

Yep, football is indeed  the main cash cow for the U of A Athletic department and always will be.
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Justifiable Hogicide

Quote from: GuvHog on June 13, 2017, 08:44:13 am
Yep, football is indeed  the main cash cow for the U of A Athletic department and always will be.
True. Football built that big red Hog and it is what keeps it running.

hogsanity

Quote from: ErieHog on June 12, 2017, 05:03:12 pm
By the actual performances.     What you do, essentially, over the long haul, is who you are.

And basketball, we punch above our relative weight.   It doesn't mean we dominate nationally, or that we just bleed talent everywhere at all times--  but our best is pretty good.

Our HS teams  tend to be a bit isolated, because our schools do tend to be drawing on smaller pools, but fare relatively ok, compared to our football out of state.  When we concentrate talent, like on the AAU circuit, we do very well indeed nationally.



That does not make us a basketball state. There is a 18u baseball team from NWA ranked in the top 5 nationally in USSSA, so maybe we are a baseball state.

But which would impact fans and players more if it went away, football or basketball?
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

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ErieHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 13, 2017, 10:03:54 am
That does not make us a basketball state. There is a 18u baseball team from NWA ranked in the top 5 nationally in USSSA, so maybe we are a baseball state.

But which would impact fans and players more if it went away, football or basketball?

One team does not a trend make;  spend a couple of decades doing it, and maybe.

Fan impact is tied to desire-- which is, again, very different from identity.

I can hope and pray to play basketball like Michael Jordan.     It doesn't mean I should be disappointed when I can't.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

hogsanity

Quote from: ErieHog on June 13, 2017, 03:14:00 pm
One team does not a trend make;  spend a couple of decades doing it, and maybe.

Fan impact is tied to desire-- which is, again, very different from identity.

I can hope and pray to play basketball like Michael Jordan.     It doesn't mean I should be disappointed when I can't.

Well actually we have had baseball teams, at various levels, ranked pretty highly for about 2 decades or longer. Last years American Legion National Champions are from Arkansas. The Hogs baseball program has been more successful than either football or bball for the last 10 years at least.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

WilsonHog

Would this whole thread not turn on the working definition of "taking over?"

More people attending games?
Higher ranked teams?
More D-1 recruits?
More intercollegiate recruits at all levels?
More dollars generated?

hogsanity

Quote from: WilsonHog on June 13, 2017, 03:39:33 pm
Would this whole thread not turn on the working definition of "taking over?"

More people attending games?
Higher ranked teams?
More D-1 recruits?
More intercollegiate recruits at all levels?
More dollars generated?

Been trying to get someone to define " taking over " and what makes a state a basketball/football/baseball state the entire thread.

Based on what you listed, it is football and not even close. Of course someone will come back with players per capita, etc. Why they are trying so hard to label us a basketball state is what I can't understand to stat with.
People ask me what I do in winter when there is no baseball.  I will tell you what I do. I stare out the window, and I wait for spring.

"Anything goes wrong, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobodies fault, I'm going to blow your head off."  John Wayne in BIG JAKE

ErieHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 13, 2017, 03:35:30 pm
Well actually we have had baseball teams, at various levels, ranked pretty highly for about 2 decades or longer. Last years American Legion National Champions are from Arkansas. The Hogs baseball program has been more successful than either football or bball for the last 10 years at least.

Not at basketball rates, no.  We're a lot more successful in basketball, particularly AAU, than we are at youth baseball.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

ErieHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 13, 2017, 03:43:00 pm
Been trying to get someone to define " taking over " and what makes a state a basketball/football/baseball state the entire thread.

Based on what you listed, it is football and not even close. Of course someone will come back with players per capita, etc. Why they are trying so hard to label us a basketball state is what I can't understand to stat with.

Out of those criteria, all these favor basketball over football, when compared apples to apples.

University team rankings
More D-1 recruits
More intercollegiate recruits at all levels
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

WilsonHog

Quote from: hogsanity on June 13, 2017, 03:43:00 pm
Been trying to get someone to define " taking over " and what makes a state a basketball/football/baseball state the entire thread.

Based on what you listed, it is football and not even close. Of course someone will come back with players per capita, etc. Why they are trying so hard to label us a basketball state is what I can't understand to stat with.

The whole discussion is an exercise in futility.

LZH

Geez Louise.....Arkansas is a hunting/fishing state.

/thread.

Yer welcome.

Youngsta71701

Quote from: GuvHog on June 13, 2017, 08:44:13 am
Yep, football is indeed  the main cash cow for the U of A Athletic department and always will be.
Football is the main cash cow for any program that has football. Even Kentucky... ;). Does that mean Kentucky's a football school? That statement was an epic fail indeed. ;)
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

Pork Twain

Quote from: GuvHog on June 13, 2017, 08:44:13 am
Yep, football is indeed  the main cash cow for the U of A Athletic department and always will be.
Even when you try really hard to be right, you are still wrong.  Are there many schools out there where Football does not bring in the most money?  Are most schools football schools, even if football is actually a second thought to them, other than Duke?
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