FELIX STAYING

[DoghouseHog]

Felix for heisman, baby!!  WPS!

[seb2000]

Look, if the agents, scouts, family, etc. convince Felix that he's gonna go first round - he's gone.  Mid-secound round - we gotta shot.  Honestly, I think he's mid to late secound round right now at best.  Stay another year, he performs like he should and would - top 15 pick.

[hogchic2001]

An 80k Cadillac Escalade says he wont.

Supposedly the cadillac is in his mom's name.

[taintlint]

Supposedly the cadillac is in his mom's name.

So was Reggie Bush's stuff. I don't want that risk for an insignificant game.

[Seconds]

An 80k Cadillac Escalade says he wont.

Careful.....Wayne will give you three minutes!

[snoblind]

I heard him also.  The way he said it you couldn't take it any other way than he will be back.  I sure hope so. 

[hogchic2001]

So was Reggie Bush's stuff. I don't want that risk for an insignificant game.

I know, I know.  It is something that they are going to be looking at.

[BryantHog06]

If his mom went to the dealership and purchased the vehicle and she got financing because she was DMAC's mom is this a violation??

[ErieHog]

If his mom went to the dealership and purchased the vehicle and she got financing because she was DMAC's mom is this a violation??

In that case, it would be.   However, the burden of proof would rest on the sanctioning agency.   That said, there are numerous threads in the Rumors section of the board that deal with the question of McFadden's bowl eligibility.

[Smithian]

No, LeBron James's mother bought LeBron a hummer and used her son's future as basic collateral or whatever, and he was allowed to continue playing.

[Weazel Backfat]

He could have gotten a zero money down, no payments for six months deal... not a bad deal for a dealer to make right now for someone like McFadden.  I've worked in a dealership... it's entirely possible.

[BryantHog06]

Thanks ErieHog...Back to this thread.  Felix coming back would be the icing on the cake for the Razorback football program next year.  First Nutt leaves, then we hire Petrino, and Felix comes back!!!  Go Hogs Go!!!!!

[ErieHog]

No, LeBron James's mother bought LeBron a hummer and used her son's future as basic collateral or whatever, and he was allowed to continue playing.

He wasn't playing NCAA basketball, though.   HS athletic associations have been debating how to handle such situations because of the LeBron case, but with steps preventing HS athletes from being draft eligible, this loophole has been largely closed.

[ErieHog]

Thanks ErieHog...Back to this thread.  Felix coming back would be the icing on the cake for the Razorback football program next year.  First Nutt leaves, then we hire Petrino, and Felix comes back!!!  Go Hogs Go!!!!!

I'd be curious to see if his role in the passing game might expand;  he's a dangerous receiver on screens.

[Fort Swine]

I hope this is true.  When is the drop dead day for an athlete to declare? 

If he needs any help, just get those legs taken care of.

http://www.lloyds.com/

[BryantHog06]

It will be exciting to see Felix in Petrino's offense. 

[The real Hogules]

I can't recall a single instant where Felix Jones has been anything but totally honest, so if he says he's coming back for his SR. year I have to believe he means it.

Felix "The Cat" Jones is a true Razorback and a damn fine human being!

WPS, GHG, beat Missouri!!!

[toadzone33]

Well, Felix certainly sounded like he's coming back listening to that interview.  Say he plans on being a Razorback.  He didn't hesitate a bit when saying that.

If Felix is a Nutt man, TCTWF said once you're a Razorback, you're always a Razorback.  Felix could still be a Razorback and play pro ball for someone else.

[Greyhands]

No, LeBron James's mother bought LeBron a hummer and used her son's future as basic collateral or whatever, and he was allowed to continue playing.

Lebron James never played collage ball. He went straight from high school to the pros .

[ErieHog]

I hope this is true.  When is the drop dead day for an athlete to declare? 

If he needs any help, just get those legs taken care of.

http://www.lloyds.com/

It is traditionally January 15th; even after declaring, there is a 72 hour window during which a draft-candidate can withdraw their name from consideration, so long as they have not yet retained or contacted an agent.

[Fort Swine]

It is traditionally January 15th; even after declaring, there is a 72 hour window during which a draft-candidate can withdraw their name from consideration, so long as they have not yet retained or contacted an agent.

I knew it was just after the bowl games.  It is kind of like the NBA.  No agent - you can come back. 

[ErieHog]

I knew it was just after the bowl games.  It is kind of like the NBA.  No agent - you can come back. 

Not quite;  the NBA allows you to go through the entire draft period;  the NFL withdrawal has to happen within 72 hours of the declaration date, not the draft.

[JoePaul03]

Not quite;  the NBA allows you to go through the entire draft period;  the NFL withdrawal has to happen within 72 hours of the declaration date, not the draft.

That sounds right. Isn't that what Brennan did last season?

[lovemesomedale]

It doesnt just sound right it is RIGHT. That is the correct answer.

That sounds right. Isn't that what Brennan did last season?

[HogSophist]

Here's the difference between a mid-30's pick (the highest I've seen him projected for this year's draft) and a top 15 pick (where Felix could go with a good season next year):

From the '03 draft:

No. 34 pick:  Signing bonus $2.2 million, 5 year contract for a total value of $4.6 million or $920,000/year
No. 15 pick:  Signing bonus $3.0 million, 6 year contract for a total value of $9.5 million or $1,583,333/year

So, with the signing bonus and the difference in the contracts, the 15th pick will make $4,116,665 over the first 5 years of their NFL career.  That is $823,333 per year, $68,611 per month, or $2,256 per day.

Bottom line is:  If he comes back, has a good year this year that proves he can be an "every-down back", he can make A LOT MORE MONEY for his entire NFL career.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/index

#23

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3148577

Which underclassmen do you think are on the fence for declaring for the NFL draft?

Kiper: There are four running backs that come to the forefront, led by Arkansas junior Felix Jones. He's a great running back, can catch the ball out of the backfield and also returns kicks. If he comes out, he'll go somewhere in the middle to late first round. He could go back for his senior season and be the featured back (assuming Darren McFadden leaves early). But with a new coach -- who's yet to be hired -- you have to wonder if it's worth the risk to go back.

[HogSophist]

I heard him also.  The way he said it you couldn't take it any other way than he will be back.  I sure hope so. 

actually when asked point blank if he would be back, his response was "I want to be a Razorback". Little ambiguous to me.

[weresoclose]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/index

#23

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3148577

Which underclassmen do you think are on the fence for declaring for the NFL draft?

Kiper: There are four running backs that come to the forefront, led by Arkansas junior Felix Jones. He's a great running back, can catch the ball out of the backfield and also returns kicks. If he comes out, he'll go somewhere in the middle to late first round. He could go back for his senior season and be the featured back (assuming Darren McFadden leaves early). But with a new coach -- who's yet to be hired -- you have to wonder if it's worth the risk to go back.

ESPN is a joke.  They all picked ASU over TX last night, too.  FJ will NOT go in the mid-late 1st round.  He is a 2nd rounder.  ESPN was "shocked" when Leinart and Quinn dropped so far, as well.  NFL teams need OL, DL, DE, LB, CB etc.  RBs are second concern these days.

[LZH]

Felix is gone gentlemen.  Top 15 pick for sure.  Take the $$$ son, and Godspeed.

[geoffhog]

I don't think he's coming back, he's that Chris Houston type. If he sniffs the first round, he'll go

"that Chris Houston type" What is that supposed to mean. Felix has shown nothing but great character the entire time he's been in Fayetteville. Please explain that statement.

[chortle]

Felix is gone gentlemen.  Top 15 pick for sure.  Take the $$$ son, and Godspeed.

I'll bet you his signing bonus that he doesn't go in the top 15.

[kimjongsqUeAl]

Woo Hooo!  Now I might revise my predictions for next years record

[JoePaul03]

It doesnt just sound right it is RIGHT. That is the correct answer.

Yeesh, I was just saying I thought I'd heard that somewhere before, and that I thought it was Brennan that took advantage of that rule after last season. Relax, will ya?

[HogSophist]

ESPN is a joke.  They all picked ASU over TX last night, too.  FJ will NOT go in the mid-late 1st round.  He is a 2nd rounder.  ESPN was "shocked" when Leinart and Quinn dropped so far, as well.  NFL teams need OL, DL, DE, LB, CB etc.  RBs are second concern these days.

I didnt know "ESPN" made picks or projected drafts.

The above posts reference two different "mocks", one by Todd McShay and the other my Mel Kiper Jr.

[chillinhoggie]

No, LeBron James's mother bought LeBron a hummer and used her son's future as basic collateral or whatever, and he was allowed to continue playing.

LJ was NEVER under the NCAA's rules.

[blu]

Well, take this for what it is worth, but my niece was one of the royalty this year (Rebecca Bradley) and she's gotten in with some of the players - and they are talking like Felix is coming back for next season.

[JoePaul03]

"that Chris Houston type" What is that supposed to mean. Felix has shown nothing but great character the entire time he's been in Fayetteville. Please explain that statement.

Yeah...Felix has never been in trouble, kept his nose clean, played hard, played hurt, and played sick. He's never been a huge trash talker, unlike the "fifteen-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty waiting to happen" that Houston was. I am wondering what the basis of the Felix/Houston comparison is also.

[bsking]

Felix is staying.  Mark it down.

[pedrothelion]

LJ was NEVER under the NCAA's rules.

The NCAA went out of there way to say that he would be ineligible if he had decided to go to college because he had played in too many high school all star games.  They mentioned nothing about his parents buying him an H2.

[BigArkyintheRock]

nm

[ErieHog]

Well, I  would expect it would be the other way around;  he should be considered eligible until declared to have forfeited the eligibility;  silence up to the Cotton Bowl on the issue would be good news, not bad.

[respirback]

Here's the difference between a mid-30's pick (the highest I've seen him projected for this year's draft) and a top 15 pick (where Felix could go with a good season next year):

From the '03 draft:

No. 34 pick:  Signing bonus $2.2 million, 5 year contract for a total value of $4.6 million or $920,000/year
No. 15 pick:  Signing bonus $3.0 million, 6 year contract for a total value of $9.5 million or $1,583,333/year

So, with the signing bonus and the difference in the contracts, the 15th pick will make $4,116,665 over the first 5 years of their NFL career.  That is $823,333 per year, $68,611 per month, or $2,256 per day.

Bottom line is:  If he comes back, has a good year this year that proves he can be an "every-down back", he can make A LOT MORE MONEY for his entire NFL career.

Good rationale, but don't overlook the fact that if he stays another year he is still giving up the 2.2 million plus salary.  Basically he would have to play 2 additional years in the NFL to make up the money lost.

[BigArkyintheRock]

The answer has to come down BEFORE the game. Can't have him play in the game and then the NCAA say oops, we have determined that he was ineligible and you have to forfeit the game and suffer sanctions. That would be crazy.

In this case, hopefully no news is good news.

[ErieHog]

Good rationale, but don't overlook the fact that if he stays another year he is still giving up the 2.2 million plus salary.  Basically he would have to play 2 additional years in the NFL to make up the money lost.

The problem with that being that 2nd round picks are not guaranteed deals;  you are only entitled to your signing bonus.   You don't get the promise of a roster spot that accompanies 1st round status, contractually.   Likewise, that money he could be 'out' can be hedged against, with insurance.

Look at it this way; NFL RBs are 'two contract' players.   The typical 2nd round deal is 3-4 years, 1st round deal 5-7 years.    He can take a 5 million dollar insurance policy out, and if he gets hurt and never plays again, it would be very comparable to a guy who signs one contract, and either gets hurt or can't play anymore at the end of the deal--  so that's a wash.

Say he gets hurt, but still goes to the NFL as a minimum salary guy thereafter; he gets the value of the insurance policy for injury, plus the NFL minimum salary, presuming he lands a roster spot.  Another wash.

Say he returns, doesn't get hurt, but doesn't improve his draft status, or worsens it slightly;  he is out a single year's non-guaranteed pay, at worst, and a partial year's pay at best.

He returns, doesn't get hurt, and improves his draft status slightly--- he makes a financial windfall.

If he is slated to go 40th or lower by the advisory committee, I don't see any reason why he would want to go.

[ErieHog]

The answer has to come down BEFORE the game. Can't have him play in the game and then the NCAA say oops, we have determined that he was ineligible and you have to forfeit the game and suffer sanctions. That would be crazy.

In this case, hopefully no news is good news.

The answer isn't something that will have to be disclosed, or that will require a press conference, though; you don't declare him eligible-- you declare him ineligible, if it is the case, and say nothing otherwise,  lest the athletes feel the program has no loyalty to them as individuals.

[Bryan (CHF)]

I have to agree. Until the university says he is "ineligible" then it is game on. I have been reading the National boards and many are going crazy about this (a different kind of crazy, we Hog fans are experiencing). I said there, until the university says they believe something bad has happened and they are reporting it to the NCAA, then alot of this is just wild speculation.

[BigArkyintheRock]

Agreed, but what I don't want to see happen is the NCAA crack down on the program for this. If they are going to do that, better to let DMAC just watch the game, and not play. Read a few places where the UofA was looking into it, and then going to report "something"...but all speculation until we hear something official.

Surely the UofA knows the facts by now. Has the NCAA even been "officially" advised of the matter from the UofA? I would imagine they are aware of the story. Would the NCAA contact the UofA, or just wait for the UofA to contact them?

More questions than answers now.

[grayhawg]

Gives Mizzu something to think about huh.

[ErieHog]

Agreed, but what I don't want to see happen is the NCAA crack down on the program for this. If they are going to do that, better to let DMAC just watch the game, and not play. Read a few places where the UofA was looking into it, and then going to report "something"...but all speculation until we hear something official.

Surely the UofA knows the facts by now. Has the NCAA even been "officially" advised of the matter from the UofA? I would imagine they are aware of the story. Would the NCAA contact the UofA, or just wait for the UofA to contact them?

More questions than answers now.

The NCAA would wait for the university to self-report; proactive investigation is not their forte, and is rarely engaged in, unless there are major public revelations regarding impropriety, something we have not seen to date.

[trashcan]

Well, Felix certainly sounded like he's coming back listening to that interview.  Say he plans on being a Razorback.  He didn't hesitate a bit when saying that.

"plans on being a Razorback"  =  Playing for the Razorbacks?. 

If you listen to Nutt  at his exiting  press conf.  he said he will always be a Razorback.     
Once a Razorback always a Razorback.
That  is different  than  are you going to play for the Razorbacks next year

[jep_hog_fan]

ESPN is a joke.  They all picked ASU over TX last night, too.  FJ will NOT go in the mid-late 1st round.  He is a 2nd rounder.  ESPN was "shocked" when Leinart and Quinn dropped so far, as well.  NFL teams need OL, DL, DE, LB, CB etc.  RBs are second concern these days.

Yup. I've even heard the arguement on a local show of him playing behind Dmac and the excellent O line, they use the runs Smith and Barnett had as backup to their arguement. If Smith and Barnett can have big runs on limited carries, then FJ's numbers should be big, according to them.