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2010 AL Gold Glove Winners

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gutshot

November 09, 2010, 02:51:46 pm Last Edit: November 09, 2010, 02:55:08 pm by gutshot
Ichiro Suzuki     -- 10th straight
Franklin Gutierrez -- 1st
Carl Crawford   -- 1st
Evan Longoria  --  2nd
Derek Jeter    --  5th     ???
Robinson Cano -- 1st
Mark Teixeira  -- 4th
Joe Mauer    --  3rd
Mark Buehrle  --  2nd

Pragmatic PiG

November 09, 2010, 04:13:52 pm #1
Reputation is half the battle. Jeter's range has been declining for years, can't say I'm too sad that the yanks are going to pony up 20 million per for a mediocre defensive SS with declining offensive skills
 

ucahogfan

November 09, 2010, 09:42:26 pm #2
Teixeira is also a head scratcher.  He has average range at first base and was one of the worst in the league when it came to digging out a ball in the dirt.  Like pragmatic said, reputation is half the battle.

bsking

November 10, 2010, 09:39:31 am #3
Besides the obvious need to be capable at your position, 3 things have just about as much influence.

1)  Popularity/where you play
2)  Incumbency
3)  Offensive statistics

The last one is the one that gets me.  The GG has turned into a complete joke.  Ever since David Wright won the GG over Chipper a few years ago when he had over double as many errors I have given up on the system.

Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson

November 10, 2010, 12:14:47 pm #4
Yes Jeters range has diminished.  He did however have a stellar year in the field. 

Teixeira I believe is one of the very best defensive first basemen out there.  Where he drives me nuts is at the plate.  But he makes incredible plays in the field.

That said wearing the pin stripes does I am sure carry some weight as well.
Let's make some waves.

ErieHog

November 10, 2010, 12:46:09 pm #5
Quote from: hogfanintx on November 10, 2010, 12:14:47 pm
Yes Jeters range has diminished.  He did however have a stellar year in the field. 

Teixeira I believe is one of the very best defensive first basemen out there.  Where he drives me nuts is at the plate.  But he makes incredible plays in the field.

That said wearing the pin stripes does I am sure carry some weight as well.

It's easy not to make errors, when you get to about 70% as many chances as a competent shortstop with actual range.

Here's a really telling thought, from baseball people:

Every year, John Dewan and Baseball Info Solutions conduct their own evaluation of defensive quality, awarding the Fielding Bible Awards. There are 10 voters,  who rank players from 1-10 at their position defensively; the voting doesn't differentiate the leagues; 20 shortstops received at least one point in the voting overall.  Not a single voter thought that Jeter was even the 10th-best shortstop in the major leagues.    If that isn't telling, what is?
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ucahogfan

November 10, 2010, 03:39:06 pm #6
Quote from: ErieHog on November 10, 2010, 12:46:09 pm
It's easy not to make errors, when you get to about 70% as many chances as a competent shortstop with actual range.

Here's a really telling thought, from baseball people:

Every year, John Dewan and Baseball Info Solutions conduct their own evaluation of defensive quality, awarding the Fielding Bible Awards. There are 10 voters,  who rank players from 1-10 at their position defensively; the voting doesn't differentiate the leagues; 20 shortstops received at least one point in the voting overall.  Not a single voter thought that Jeter was even the 10th-best shortstop in the major leagues.    If that isn't telling, what is?

Couldn't agree more with your post.  In the AL alone, I think Andrus and Bartlett are considerably better in the field than Jeter.  There is a reason the Yanks are questioning resigning him.

PorcineSublime

November 10, 2010, 09:15:05 pm #7
Quote from: ucahogfan on November 10, 2010, 03:39:06 pm
Couldn't agree more with your post.  In the AL alone, I think Andrus and Bartlett are considerably better in the field than Jeter.  There is a reason the Yanks are questioning resigning him.
The Yank' s have to resign Jeter, He is one of the few "character" guys they have.
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bsking

November 10, 2010, 10:45:41 pm #8
The Yanks will resign Jeter, no doubt about it.  First off, they will give him the most money.  He won't be grossly overpaid like his last contract, but I don't see a lot of suitors having interest.  The owe that much to him though, he has been one of the most consistently productive offensive infielders of all time.  His defense is another story though.  I laugh every time I see the patented "jeter" play from the hole because thatisn't in the hole for anyone but Jeter.

ErieHog

November 10, 2010, 10:49:34 pm #9
Quote from: bsking on November 10, 2010, 10:45:41 pm
I laugh every time I see the patented "jeter" play from the hole because thatisn't in the hole for anyone but Jeter.

What?  You mean a step and a half to his right isn't falling into left field?

I'm -shocked-.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson

November 11, 2010, 09:58:44 am #10
Quote from: ErieHog on November 10, 2010, 10:49:34 pm
What?  You mean a step and a half to his right isn't falling into left field?

I'm -shocked-.

LOL ahhh we have plenty of Yankee haters around and that's fine.  Jeter had a good year in the field.  His range is not as poor as some of you are making it out to be.  Is he the best defensive shortstop in the game?  NO.  He isn't even the best on his team.  That would be Arod.  Baseball voters do things like this all the time.  Just look at the hall of fame voting.
Let's make some waves.

ErieHog

November 11, 2010, 10:41:08 am #11
Quote from: hogfanintx on November 11, 2010, 09:58:44 am
LOL ahhh we have plenty of Yankee haters around and that's fine.  Jeter had a good year in the field.  His range is not as poor as some of you are making it out to be.  Is he the best defensive shortstop in the game?  NO.  He isn't even the best on his team.  That would be Arod.  Baseball voters do things like this all the time.  Just look at the hall of fame voting.

We're understating the case, if anything.   Jeter's UZR was 3rd worst among regular shortstops--and it's actually the most generous of the defensive value metrics;  every single defensive metric that reflects being able to make plays that any other shortstop in baseball can make, consistently puts him in the bottom 5.

At least the selection of Texiera is defensible, in an odd sort of way- and Brett Gardner should feel downright cheated, as he actually had a season worth consideration for a Gold Glove.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson

November 11, 2010, 10:49:01 am #12
Quote from: ErieHog on November 11, 2010, 10:41:08 am
We're understating the case, if anything.   Jeter's UZR was 3rd worst among regular shortstops--and it's actually the most generous of the defensive value metrics;  every single defensive metric that reflects being able to make plays that any other shortstop in baseball can make, consistently puts him in the bottom 5.

At least the selection of Texiera is defensible, in an odd sort of way- and Brett Gardner should feel downright cheated, as he actually had a season worth consideration for a Gold Glove.




Baseball just like football will also vote players into the all star game that have been injured most of the year.  Really doesn't matter to me if people agree with the Jeter vote or not.  I wouldn't have voted for him for a gold glove this season, and as a Yankee fan I am even torn about re-signing him next season.  On one hand simply how do you not bring him back because he is Derek Jeter.  On the other sooner or later you have to move some youth to that side of the outfield.  Either Arod to short and a new third baseman.  Or Arod stays put and bring in a new short stop. This is one time I am glad not to be in Cashmans shoes.
Let's make some waves.
 

ErieHog

November 11, 2010, 10:59:48 am #13
Quote from: hogfanintx on November 11, 2010, 10:49:01 am

Baseball just like football will also vote players into the all star game that have been injured most of the year.  Really doesn't matter to me if people agree with the Jeter vote or not.  I wouldn't have voted for him for a gold glove this season, and as a Yankee fan I am even torn about re-signing him next season.  On one hand simply how do you not bring him back because he is Derek Jeter.  On the other sooner or later you have to move some youth to that side of the outfield.  Either Arod to short and a new third baseman.  Or Arod stays put and bring in a new short stop. This is one time I am glad not to be in Cashmans shoes.

A-Rod's starting to show his age defensively as well, but not nearly as severely as Jeter-- and that's even beyond his hip issues.   Moving him back to SS may improve the defense a lot, if only by upgrading the gloves available at both positions.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
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