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LVW

October 04, 2009, 02:49:49 pm
And it comes with a bit or irony.  Danks had a chance to end the Tigers season today after ending the Twins season last year in game 163.
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ErieHog

October 04, 2009, 06:42:06 pm #1
A shame he didn't end their season today.

I imagine it'll be so loud in the Metrodome on tuesday that it may rupture eardrums.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

dhornjr1

October 04, 2009, 06:48:12 pm #2
Quote from: ErieHog on October 04, 2009, 06:42:06 pm
A shame he didn't end their season today.

I imagine it'll be so loud in the Metrodome on tuesday that it may rupture eardrums.

...and sphincters.

ErieHog

October 04, 2009, 06:56:31 pm #3
Quote from: dhornjr1 on October 04, 2009, 06:48:12 pm
...and sphincters.


I think the Tigers ruptured theirs' already, blowing a 7 game lead in the last 16.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

dhornjr1

October 04, 2009, 09:55:29 pm #4
Quote from: ErieHog on October 04, 2009, 06:56:31 pm

I think the Tigers ruptured theirs' already, blowing a 7 game lead in the last 16.

Agreed. Not quite 1964 Phillies-esque, but not too shabby among all-time great stretch-run choke-jobs.

HoosierDaddy

October 04, 2009, 11:01:35 pm #5
Actually the lead was 7 on Sept. 6 and 4 with 16 to go.  Either is impressive and goes to show you can't count them out.  I'm especially surprised with this year's team.  The starting rotation hasn't been stellar and has changed fairly often.  Injuries and un-proven/known players (that part isn't necessarily new for the Twins).  But they've stepped it up down the stretch... yet again...

3rd time in the last 4 years the Twins have brought it down to the last game.  I'm glad they changed the coin-flip rule after it gave the WSox homefield last year for #163.

I like the Twins chances Tuesday with the pitching matchup and homefield.  Unfortunately I'm not too optimistic about them making it out of the LDS (especially vs. the Yanks which they've never done well against). 

They've won one postseason series ('02 vs. the A's) since '91.  While I think Gardy is one of the best in the game, his 6-15 postseason record is disappointing.
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ErieHog

October 05, 2009, 12:43:10 am #6 Last Edit: October 05, 2009, 12:47:58 am by ErieHog
Quote from: HoosierDaddy on October 04, 2009, 11:01:35 pm
Actually the lead was 7 on Sept. 6 and 4 with 16 to go.  Either is impressive and goes to show you can't count them out.  I'm especially surprised with this year's team.  The starting rotation hasn't been stellar and has changed fairly often.  Injuries and un-proven/known players (that part isn't necessarily new for the Twins).  But they've stepped it up down the stretch... yet again...

3rd time in the last 4 years the Twins have brought it down to the last game.  I'm glad they changed the coin-flip rule after it gave the WSox homefield last year for #163.

I like the Twins chances Tuesday with the pitching matchup and homefield.  Unfortunately I'm not too optimistic about them making it out of the LDS (especially vs. the Yanks which they've never done well against). 

They've won one postseason series ('02 vs. the A's) since '91.  While I think Gardy is one of the best in the game, his 6-15 postseason record is disappointing.

They've not really had great frontline starting pitching during the Gardenhire tenure, beyond Santana-- and even then, he was often pitching with such heavy workloads through the regular season, that by the postseason, he'd lost a little velocity.    Radke was never the same after his shoulder injury, and pitched his last couple of years on guile, grit, and changing speeds on absolutely every pitch.

The difference for this team, IMHO, is the depth in the lineup.  Previously, it'd be a Hunter/Morneau, a .320 hitting Mauer with very little pop, and six guys who might be marginal major league hitters-- a .275 20HR stat line would usually make a guy the 3rd offensive 'threat' on the team when there weren't many baserunners.   They had to manufacture a lot more runs using speed and contact guys (Shannon Stewart, a younger Jason Bartlett, Punto)-- and those guys struggled mightily against the better pitching you generally see in playoff baseball.  No runners, nobody for the quality bats to drive in, no runs, more stress on the starting pitching, and no chance to use the best bullpen in baseball over the last decade.

The progression of Cuddeyer and Kubel gives them the opportunity to get runs on the board, and better options against good pitching than in the past;  it's far preferable to have to guys who might hit .250 in the playoffs with 2 bombs, than guys who hit .185 and have no extra base hits.   

Spahn still gives them the dynamic run-manufacturing speed at the top of the order, and a decent contact hitter to follow up the light-hitting left side of  the infield with, if they can get on base at all.

Cabrerra has been a nice pick up as well; the bench is slightly better with Gomez and Morales.  I wish to heck that Crede was well enough to offer some kind of pop off the bench, even if he can't play in the field.

If the actually had Morneau, I'd like them to make a deep playoff run, especially with Delmon Young finally playing well,  finding his stroke the last couple of weeks.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

HoosierDaddy

October 05, 2009, 01:34:37 am #7
I agree.  Almost like we've both been watching the same team for who knows how long. ;)

Starting rotation in the past has been pretty good.  Solid, consistent, without too many injuries.  Have had more turnover this year.

Twins are good at mfg'ing runs, especially in the Dome, but in the past postseasons the bats went cold.

Still have a +1 game to go before we can start talking playoffs.
"Objective Thinking Lives Here"

ErieHog

October 05, 2009, 01:49:57 am #8
Quote from: HoosierDaddy on October 05, 2009, 01:34:37 am
I agree.  Almost like we've both been watching the same team for who knows how long. ;)

Starting rotation in the past has been pretty good.  Solid, consistent, without too many injuries.  Have had more turnover this year.

Twins are good at mfg'ing runs, especially in the Dome, but in the past postseasons the bats went cold.

Still have a +1 game to go before we can start talking playoffs.

I'm a firm believer that the Twins success comes from always having 2 or 3 guys who could be a #3 starter somewhere else.    It's not that they have the top of the rotation great arm-- indeed, injuries have hampered some of their best prospects for a dominant arm.    It's that they get guys like a young Lohse, a Silva before he lost command of his fastball, a Joe Mays, an Eric Milton, and now a Nick Blackburn or a retooling Pavano--  guys who will win most of their games against 3-4-5 starters around the league.   They might not match aces, but the rotation depth was outstanding.

Tuesday should be great fun.  Baker has the makeup to be a #1, but I don't know if he has the drive.  I'm hoping we see it on game day.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

HoosierDaddy

October 05, 2009, 02:07:07 am #9
Again, I agree.

Radke was always solid, Santana was dominant (though it appears now that the Twins had good reason not to pay the price tag even if they would've been able to).  Liriano has been a big disappointment, don't know if he'll return to his dominant form.  Not likely.

The others you mentioned were pretty solid and showed glimpes of being really, really good.  Just were never able to take it to the next level.  Always "almost"...
"Objective Thinking Lives Here"

ErieHog

October 05, 2009, 02:13:11 am #10
Quote from: HoosierDaddy on October 05, 2009, 02:07:07 am
Again, I agree.

Radke was always solid, Santana was dominant (though it appears now that the Twins had good reason not to pay the price tag even if they would've been able to).  Liriano has been a big disappointment, don't know if he'll return to his dominant form.  Not likely.

The others you mentioned were pretty solid and showed glimpes of being really, really good.  Just were never able to take it to the next level.  Always "almost"...

The thing that's made the Twins resilient, is recognizing when a guy had topped out, and how to rebuild the occasional veteran journeyman with control issues.     I suspect Liriano will be much better next year-- it's really 2 years out before a pitcher gets right with recovery from that injury-- and I fully expect the Twins will ship him, if they're not in it at the trade deadline.    They have no qualms about cutting ties to guys like that.

I'd like to see them offer Pavano a one year deal-- let him know that he's still wanted, but that it'd serve both Pavano and the Twins for him to have a contract year, now that his command and confidence are returning. 
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

HuntinHog

October 05, 2009, 03:10:33 pm #11
Man I wish I still lived in Minneapolis (for this week only, 8 months of the year it's a frozen wasteland)...

Those SOB's got a win-or-go-home weekend tourney to make the playoffs, Vikings-Packers tonight, and game 163 tomorrow...

ErieHog

October 06, 2009, 08:43:26 pm #12
Game 163 is in the 12th inning.  It may keep going for a while.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

Hogz87

October 06, 2009, 08:56:48 pm #13
The Yankees are in pure jubilation.  Their first round series just got easier as soon as this game got past the 9th inning.

HoosierDaddy

October 06, 2009, 08:57:34 pm #14
Even aside from my bias, that was one of the best games I've ever seen.

As far as Twins' games go, it ranks right up there with 6 and 7 in the '91 WS (with a little less weight of course).
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jst01

October 07, 2009, 09:27:11 am #15
very good game! it would be awesome to have been there. Good Luck Twins!!
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