Dusty Hannahs

[HoundHog]

How in the world is Dusty not on the 1st or 2nd All SEC preseason team? But let's put 3 Kentucky Freshmen on there that haven't even played an SEC game yet.    . Dusty seems to play with a chip on his shoulder, so hopefully this will keep him chippy. I fully expect to see his name on one of those teams at the end of the year. Love watching this kid shoot the ball.

[FineAsSwine]

How in the world is Dusty not on the 1st or 2nd All SEC preseason team? But let's put 3 Kentucky Freshmen on there that haven't even played an SEC game yet.    . Dusty seems to play with a chip on his shoulder, so hopefully this will keep him chippy. I fully expect to see his name on one of those teams at the end of the year. Love watching this kid shoot the ball.

100% right here. They must not have seen Dusty's one man show in the SEC tourney and how he lit it up from deep all year. Plus, the guy has a sneaky good running floater that I never think is going to fall but he hit that shot regularly.

Also, Dusty is our Drew Morgan in terms of his fire and competitiveness. Hannahs definitely got juice!  :razorback:

[Letsroll1200]

How in the world is Dusty not on the 1st or 2nd All SEC preseason team? But let's put 3 Kentucky Freshmen on there that haven't even played an SEC game yet.    . Dusty seems to play with a chip on his shoulder, so hopefully this will keep him chippy. I fully expect to see his name on one of those teams at the end of the year. Love watching this kid shoot the ball.

I love it

[widespreadsooie]

Y'all are crazy. Dusty is a great role player that our team desperately needs. However he's inferior on the defensive side of the ball and isn't dynamic on offense. Don't be homers.

[niels_boar]

Y'all are crazy. Dusty is a great role player that our team desperately needs. However he's inferior on the defensive side of the ball and isn't dynamic on offense. Don't be homers.

Well, Briscoe made it on the second team.  He's a quality defensive player that rebounds at that end, though no better than Watkins. Otherwise, on offense he had an eFG% of 45%, as well as 46% at the line.  In fact, he only scored slightly more often than Watkins with lower FG percentages and didn't handle as well.  Apparently you don't have to be an ace at both ends to be All-SEC, or the voters are expecting massive improvement from Briscoe at the offensive end. 

Hannahs' strengths were far more impressive last season. He was clearly one of the top ten offensive players in the league, and most of the players ahead of him are playing in NBA preseason games at present.

[Jonteviosk]

Y'all are crazy. Dusty is a great role player that our team desperately needs. However he's inferior on the defensive side of the ball and isn't dynamic on offense. Don't be homers.

This guy is an idiot...role players don't lead a team in scoring and finish in top 10 of the SEC MORON!!!!

[HoundHog]

Y'all are crazy. Dusty is a great role player that our team desperately needs. However he's inferior on the defensive side of the ball and isn't dynamic on offense. Don't be homers.

You're crazy. Dusty is a great 1st-2nd option on ANY team. He may be a bit of a liability on defense at times but his offense more than makes up for it. Isn't dynamic on offense? That's laughable. Don't be a pessimist.

[FineAsSwine]

The closer we get to Halloween, the more the trolls start popping up.

[Kevin McPherson]

Dusty is first-team All SEC on the offenisve end of the floor, and is MUCH MORE than a 3-point shooter. But, the D end of the floor has been below average. That's what keeps him off all-league lists. Still, he gets buckets in the halfcourt better than any Hog since Joe Johnson, using a variety of pet moves and shots from various angles and distances. He's a shooter with alpha-scorer mentality, so defenders who sleep on him inside the 3-point line pay for it. Fearless and capable practically anywhere in the halfcourt.

[Captain Morgan]

The closer we get to Halloween, the more the trolls start popping up.

Any disagreement with your opinion does not make fans trolls!

Arkansas fans and alumni do care about this program. Even the negative posts are still from real fans!

These Jump Ball fans are not wanting the team to lose. Some offer up their criticisms of the program and things that should be improved/worked on.The other side of the argument wants to whine about not agreeing with them. They tend to get very defensive about the basketball program.   

Neither one of these posters are trolls. Calling them trolls is unjustifiable. These posters on both sides of discussion bring debate, interest and passion to Jump Ball.

Get your popcorn ready because it's going to be a made for TV season with the Hogs.    :razorback:

[HoundHog]

Any disagreement with your opinion does not make fans trolls!

Arkansas fans and alumni do care about this program. Even the negative posts are still from real fans!

These Jump Ball fans are not wanting the team to lose. Some offer up their criticisms of the program and things that should be improved/worked on.The other side of the argument wants to whine about not agreeing with them. They tend to get very defensive about the basketball program.   

Neither one of these posters are trolls. Calling them trolls is unjustifiable. These posters on both sides of discussion bring debate, interest and passion to Jump Ball.

Get your popcorn ready because it's going to be a made for TV season with the Hogs.    :razorback:

All for debate, but when the guy starts off "Y'all are crazy" and ends with "Don't be a homer", he's being a troll and it's justifiable.

For thread sake, Captain, should Dusty have made 1st or 2nd team all SEC?

[widespreadsooie]

Looks like my post created some drama, and no I'm not a troll. I'm objective and will not act like Dusty has the career resume to warrant pre season all SEC honors. Stay woke.

[HoundHog]

Looks like my post created some drama, and no I'm not a troll. I'm objective and will not act like Dusty has the career resume to warrant pre season all SEC honors. Stay woke.

So if you're going on career resume, you'll agree he should be on there before the 3 Kentucky freshmen correct? I'd say something cool like "stay woke" to finish, but I guess I'm not as clever or hip as you.

[dsims2k3]

Looks like my post created some drama, and no I'm not a troll. I'm objective and will not act like Dusty has the career resume to warrant pre season all SEC honors. Stay woke.

If Hannahs is already on preseason  watch lists on a national level, then certainly he should  receive acknowledgement within the conference. 

[FineAsSwine]

How in the world is Dusty not on the 1st or 2nd All SEC preseason team? But let's put 3 Kentucky Freshmen on there that haven't even played an SEC game yet.    . Dusty seems to play with a chip on his shoulder, so hopefully this will keep him chippy. I fully expect to see his name on one of those teams at the end of the year. Love watching this kid shoot the ball.

Two Hogs on preseason watch lists in Dusty and Moses. Our team could end up with a lot of national notoriety if both of these guys have really great seasons AND we go into the tourney on a tear and make a nice run.

[HardingHog]

1) I don't think freshmen should ever be on a preseason team for the reason that they've never played a second of college basketball. They still might be a stud, but they could also just as easily average 4pts/2rebs (Skal). That's why I believe preseason teams should be based on what a player did the previous season because we know what they're already capable of at this level

2) Should Dusty be on one of these teams? Maybe. He's proven more to me than the 3 UK guards on there (because 2 are freshmen). I'd take Dusty over Briscoe from what I saw last year. They're opposites of each other: Briscoe is a good defender who can't score outside the paint. Hannahs is one of the best shooters in the country who can't keep good guards in front of him.  I personally value a designated scorer over a designated defender, especially at the SHOOTING guard position. Preseason All-SEC? I believe he is. Post season All-SEC might be less likely. Only time will tell (and how study the UK freshmen turn out)

[widespreadsooie]

So if you're going on career resume, you'll agree he should be on there before the 3 Kentucky freshmen correct? I'd say something cool like "stay woke" to finish, but I guess I'm not as clever or hip as you.

Career resumes aren't limited to college.

Many of you are caught up on these KY freshman being named to the pre season honor but the fact of the matter is that these guys will play professionally.

[widespreadsooie]

Someone sell me on why Dusty should be pre season all SEC. All I've gathered from this thread is that he's a good three point shooter, has an unsuspecting floater in the lane, and KY has three freshman named to the honor.

I'm obviously playing devil's advocate here, don't get your jimmies so rustled.

[labb]

but the fact of the matter is that these guys will play professionally.
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Now that right there is a pretty strong statement...They may have the talent to play at the pro level but a lot can happen before that..Injuries, problems with the law, etc..Think you are getting ahead of yourself there.

[passinghog]

If a player like Chris Lofton can be a unanimous preseason all SEC, which he was about 10 years ago, there's no way Dusty shouldn't be this year either. Both guys are subpar defenders, but great shooters. Dusty is at least as athletic as Lofton was. Then you look at the fact the game of basketball is a much more offensive based game now than it was 10 years ago, and looking at the players returning this season, I see Dusty as an all league selection.

[widespreadsooie]

Projected @labb, besides the point anyway.

[widespreadsooie]

Chris Lofton Wiki page cites:

3rd team all American as a freshman
2nd team all American as a sophomore
SEC POY averaging 20.8 ppg as a junior
Led TN to the sweet 16 and 2nd team all American as a junior
As a senior, pre season 1st team all American and 3rd team at the end of the season

Chris Lofton was an A+ caliber SEC player

[HardingHog]

Someone sell me on why Dusty should be pre season all SEC. All I've gathered from this thread is that he's a good three point shooter, has an unsuspecting floater in the lane, and KY has three freshman named to the honor.

I'm obviously playing devil's advocate here, don't get your jimmies so rustled.

Dusty's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dusty-hannahs-1.html

Briscoe's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isaiah-briscoe-1.html

Antonio Blakeney's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/antonio-blakeney-1.html

Kevaughn Allen's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevaughn-allen-1.html

Based off 15-16, Dusty has the best stats of anyone in this group by a substantial margin I'd say. The 3 other guys are all 2nd teamers and they all play the same position. Briscoe is the only guy with a decent advantage over Dusty in rebs and assists, but scored 9 ppg in more min/g. Dusty has the advantage in 3P% over them all by a good margin and 2P% over all but Blakeney who shot 1 less 2 pointer per game. Dusty's FT% is the best of the group (and Briscoe shoots a lower % than Shaquille O'Neal). Dusty did this while playing less minutes than all the others. Also, he is the 2nd leading scorer returning in the SEC

Misc stats:
http://www.secsports.com/statistics/mens-basketball/player/field-goals

http://www.secsports.com/statistics/mens-basketball/player/three-points/threePointFieldGoalPct

http://www.secsports.com/statistics/mens-basketball/player/free-throws

Now, none of this accounts for defense. But I watched every game that was available to watch last season, and he's by no means ever going to be an All-Defense guy but he's good enough to be considered a top 5 guard in the SEC

[MountieDawg]

Dusty's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dusty-hannahs-1.html

Briscoe's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isaiah-briscoe-1.html

Antonio Blakeney's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/antonio-blakeney-1.html

Kevaughn Allen's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevaughn-allen-1.html

Based off 15-16, Dusty has the best stats of anyone in this group by a substantial margin I'd say. The 3 other guys are all 2nd teamers and they all play the same position. Briscoe is the only guy with a decent advantage over Dusty in rebs and assists, but scored 9 ppg in more min/g. Dusty has the advantage in 3P% over them all by a good margin and 2P% over all but Blakeney who shot 1 less 2 pointer per game. Dusty's FT% is the best of the group (and Briscoe shoots a lower % than Shaquille O'Neal). Dusty did this while playing less minutes than all the others. Also, he is the 2nd leading scorer returning in the SEC

Misc stats:
http://www.secsports.com/statistics/mens-basketball/player/field-goals

http://www.secsports.com/statistics/mens-basketball/player/three-points/threePointFieldGoalPct

http://www.secsports.com/statistics/mens-basketball/player/free-throws

Now, none of this accounts for defense. But I watched every game that was available to watch last season, and he's by no means ever going to be an All-Defense guy but he's good enough to be considered a top 5 guard in the SEC

Stats are not the best indicator of ability. I do think Hannah should have made it, not because I think he is a better player than the 3 Kentucku guard but he will put up more stats at the end of the season.  He will be required to score more points on this team.

[widespreadsooie]

Dusty's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/dusty-hannahs-1.html

Briscoe's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/isaiah-briscoe-1.html

Antonio Blakeney's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/antonio-blakeney-1.html

Kevaughn Allen's stats:

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevaughn-allen-1.html

Based off 15-16, Dusty has the best stats of anyone in this group by a substantial margin I'd say. The 3 other guys are all 2nd teamers and they all play the same position. Briscoe is the only guy with a decent advantage over Dusty in rebs and assists, but scored 9 ppg in more min/g. Dusty has the advantage in 3P% over them all by a good margin and 2P% over all but Blakeney who shot 1 less 2 pointer per game. Dusty's FT% is the best of the group (and Briscoe shoots a lower % than Shaquille O'Neal). Dusty did this while playing less minutes than all the others. Also, he is the 2nd leading scorer returning in the SEC

Misc stats:
http://www.secsports.com/statistics/mens-basketball/player/field-goals

http://www.secsports.com/statistics/mens-basketball/player/three-points/threePointFieldGoalPct

http://www.secsports.com/statistics/mens-basketball/player/free-throws

Now, none of this accounts for defense. But I watched every game that was available to watch last season, and he's by no means ever going to be an All-Defense guy but he's good enough to be considered a top 5 guard in the SEC

The more I think about it and checking these stats out, I would say that he maybe deserved second team. However, he wasn't snubbed. Now, here's to a great season for Dusty and the rest of our Razorback basketball team. It will be a fun season and can't wait.

[HoundHog]

The more I think about it and checking these stats out, I would say that he maybe deserved second team. However, he wasn't snubbed. Now, here's to a great season for Dusty and the rest of our Razorback basketball team. It will be a fun season and can't wait.

There he is.... atta boy widespread.  Takes a big man to admit he was wrong....   It's gonna be a fun season no doubt.

[passinghog]

Chris Lofton Wiki page cites:

3rd team all American as a freshman
2nd team all American as a sophomore
SEC POY averaging 20.8 ppg as a junior
Led TN to the sweet 16 and 2nd team all American as a junior
As a senior, pre season 1st team all American and 3rd team at the end of the season

Chris Lofton was an A+ caliber SEC player

He couldn't play defense. Same liabilities as Dusty on defense. He was slow and marginally athletic.

[widespreadsooie]

There he is.... atta boy widespread.  Takes a big man to admit he was wrong....   It's gonna be a fun season no doubt.

More of a truce of sorts, I love my Hog fans.

Edit: Honestly, I love Dusty's play and count on him for a successful season.

[widespreadsooie]

He couldn't play defense. Same liabilities as Dusty on defense. He was slow and marginally athletic.

But he was a four time All American? Please email the board and voice your concerns. You never know who could use a good laugh.

[rzrbackramsfan]

Man dusty really did get screwed.

[ShadowHawg]

Career resumes aren't limited to college.

Many of you are caught up on these KY freshman being named to the pre season honor but the fact of the matter is that these guys will play professionally.

So Poythress should have been on the pre season All SEC team?

Your premise is not sound. They haven't done anything at the collegiate level yet and collegiate All Conference teams are about PERFORMANCE, not potential.

[MountieDawg]

So Poythress should have been on the pre season All SEC team?

Your premise is not sound. They haven't done anything at the collegiate level yet and collegiate All Conference teams are about PERFORMANCE, not potential.

Wrong, pre-season teams and pre-season awards are picked solely on potential. Post-season awards ape based on performance. If you are not sure about being right or wrong, just look at the Pre-season all SEC teams.

[nwahogfan1]

How in the world is Dusty not on the 1st or 2nd All SEC preseason team? But let's put 3 Kentucky Freshmen on there that haven't even played an SEC game yet.    . Dusty seems to play with a chip on his shoulder, so hopefully this will keep him chippy. I fully expect to see his name on one of those teams at the end of the year. Love watching this kid shoot the ball.

I agree.  I guess because he doesn't score flashy.  No dunks.

[Biggus Piggus]

Y'all are crazy. Dusty is a great role player that our team desperately needs. However he's inferior on the defensive side of the ball and isn't dynamic on offense. Don't be homers.

Hannahs is undoubtedly dynamic as a scorer. You must have missed last season.  SMH.

[widespreadsooie]

Hannahs is undoubtedly dynamic as a scorer. You must have missed last season.  SMH.

Watched plenty, will be at the Red/White game tomorrow. Hope to see you there.

[ShadowHawg]

Wrong, pre-season teams and pre-season awards are picked solely on potential. Post-season awards ape based on performance. If you are not sure about being right or wrong, just look at the Pre-season all SEC teams.

Wrong. The are picked off previous college results and the potential for the upcoming season. MountieCat.

[FATHAWG08]

The more I think about it and checking these stats out, I would say that he maybe deserved second team. However, he wasn't snubbed. Now, here's to a great season for Dusty and the rest of our Razorback basketball team. It will be a fun season and can't wait.

The thing you need to remember about Dusty is he works on his weaknesses. He has lost 10 lbs this year to help him become a better defender. When Dusty came to Arkansas he was known as a Spot up Shooter that could possibly come into games and provide instant offense. Who knew he was going to be able create his  own shot off the dribble last year?  I expect Dusty to be a much better defender than last year. Also with the upgrade in talent  he should get more open looks. I'm expecting Dusty to have an even better season this year.

[MountieDawg]

Wrong. The are picked off previous college results and the potential for the upcoming season. MountieCat.

If you were right, wouldn't Dusty have mad the All SEC team???  Are you saying that Dusty was not worthy?

[ShadowHawg]

If you were right, wouldn't Dusty have mad the All SEC team???  Are you saying that Dusty was not worthy?

Go MountieCat go!

Seriously, what are you doing on this board? You are such a front running Wildcat suck up.

[MountieDawg]

Go MountieCat go!

Seriously, what are you doing on this board? You are such a front running Wildcat suck up.

I am a lifetime Arkansan and a lifetime Wildcats fan.  Never tried to hide that, have sent 3 kids to the UofA and support the Hogs.  But I am just saying your logic does not make sense. I probably go to more Arkansas basketball games than 50 percent of the posters on here.

[Letsroll1200]

Dusty will be better because he has better players around him. It's going to be pick your poison on the offensive end of the court for the Razorbacks.

[Letsroll1200]

Any disagreement with your opinion does not make fans trolls!

Arkansas fans and alumni do care about this program. Even the negative posts are still from real fans!

These Jump Ball fans are not wanting the team to lose. Some offer up their criticisms of the program and things that should be improved/worked on.The other side of the argument wants to whine about not agreeing with them. They tend to get very defensive about the basketball program.   

Neither one of these posters are trolls. Calling them trolls is unjustifiable. These posters on both sides of discussion bring debate, interest and passion to Jump Ball.

Get your popcorn ready because it's going to be a made for TV season with the Hogs.    :razorback:

Hey Captain!!! Your predictions don't hold water.

[Big Nasty 34]

Dusty will be better because he has better players around him. It's going to be pick your poison on the offensive end of the court for the Razorbacks.

But he may not put up as lofty numbers because of that. We just need him to be ultra efficient.

[Biggus Piggus]

Watched plenty, will be at the Red/White game tomorrow. Hope to see you there.

Then you're illiterate. Claiming Hannahs isn't a dynamic scorer suggests you don't know which words to choose to say whatever the Frank you are trying to say.

[farfromgroovins]

But he may not put up as lofty numbers because of that. We just need him to be ultra efficient.

That is what I am wanting to see once team chemistry takes hold. Will Dusty still be one of our top scoring options? I think he will be by default similar to last season but that does not make one All-anything. If the Hogs were at 20+ wins last season then that would have garnered some respect but we were an average team and somebody had to score. If we go for 20+ wins he puts up these type numbers, then All-whatever he deserves!

WPS!

[Letsroll1200]

But he may not put up as lofty numbers because of that. We just need him to be ultra efficient.

Big Shot Dusty!!! We have multiple guys that can make plays on the court. I'm just ready to see if this team can gain confidence and cohesion early in the season.

[Biggus Piggus]

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=619555.0